Do you need an aspirin? ;)
No, I need more Ivankov calling Dragon 'babe'. It's just sexy.
Like female Crocodile sexy.
Chapter 586 "A Fetid Town" Discussion
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NOTHING is sexier than
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sabo's brother is annoying as hell. I wanted to kick his ass even before he said anything. the rich people in one piece really don't give a crap about human lives other than their own. And seeing dragon there is a suprize
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Believe itβ¦
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@Robo:
Are you making fun of the people who thought this, or do you actually think this?
I am a sarcast down to the deepest part of me
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how come i always get in trouble and banned for being disrespectful to others
I wish this was true but I don't think you do?
what does that have to do with anything? Hancock told Luffy AND us, that teh sun tattoo was made and given to all slave fishman and many non slave fishman who joined the sunny piraties (though possible non sunny pirates also got it, and doubtful all slaves became pirates)
Hancock was not talking to us.
This was so that no one could distinguish between who was a slave and who was not.
So that they wouldn't experience discrimination from other people.
People in the comic who would look down on them or maybe even turn them in.you guys constantly are bringing up what someone in teh manga says as Oda's words to us as saying this is fact.
No actually I don't do that retarded shit.
Not that even applies to the absolute insanity you're trying for here.
I can't get over how bad this argument is.If nyon tells Hancock that if she looses her title then AL WILL get attacked and destroyed by WG. You guys all claim this is ODA telling US THE READER that this will happen.
Again, this is completely 100% a different scenario then your insane Who Framed Roger Rabbit concern for real people discirminating the ink on the paper. It's a different topic entirely. How are you even confusing them. You're bewildering.
This isn't a possible, this isn't a worse case scenerio used by nyon to convince someone to do something, this is ODA TELLING US what woudl happen if the treaty is gone.
What does this have to do with the slave tattoo.
So how isn't it the same here.
How is it the same??
If we see some flashback that shows say Jimbei and many others like hatchi, maybe arlong and who knows who else as slaves, then WE now know who was a slave and who wasn't. The whole purpose of the Sunny Tattoo is defeated for us.
THE TATTOO IS NOT MEANT FOR US.
Think of like say Death Note, imagine if we heard all his plans before he did them.
This has absolutely nothing to with what you're talking about. How is this anyway related to EITHER other example you've brought up.
Or how about a guy guessing a number which door to pick saves a persons life, and we know which door is th correct one.
Now here's a good example, because WE AREN'T PICKING THE FUCKING DOOR. This is textbook suspense.
I mean for godsakes game shows work off that principle half the time.or how about watching the sixth sense after someone tells you bruce willis is a ghost the whole movie. who cares that we know right? bruce willis still didn't know, and he is the character in teh story. our perception doesn' tmatter at all, seperate real from fiction, all that matters is what bruce willis thinks right.
So you're taking this vague concept and applying it to a completely different situation where virtually everything about it is different?
Why are you so bad at debate??
The author doesn't tell us these things because it ruins the story.
So then you're saying that eventually we'll find out who was or wasn't a slave? Because that's the only way the Sixth Sense comparison makes even the slightest bit of sense. Or the game show comparison.
Part of their story revovolves around the reveal later on how someone did something, the suspence on which is correct, the suspence and drama on who is evil or not and so on. And here if we know who is a slave or not, we now are descriminating against them,
THESE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, HPLYB TGR^$*NGF$*FGM$
"i like chocolate milk, so pumpkins are a higher yiled crop
"pretty much what you just said!!!
the very thing that the tattoo was made to prevent.
And no! No we're not discriminating against them! Even if we are it's utterly irrelevant to the story! Because we don't exist in it! Oda isn't concerned with our outlook! He's expressing a slave uprising and how they move on! How Fisher Tiger is a great uniter! Why the fuck would Oda be protecting characters from OUR discrimination! Why!!!
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Probably the female that was with Dragon is Female Croc.
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I'm really loving this Sabo kid, but I get the feeling that like all lovable flashback characters, Oda's just building him up to make us cry when he eventually kills him.
I'm actually still just surprised that he's giving Luffy a flashback like this in the first place. Sure, Ace's death has to mean something to us considering he hasn't been around much prior to this arc, but Luffy's apparently oblivious and happy-go-lucky outlook just doesn't seem to fit with disillusioning childhood trauma. I thought his general ignorance of the way the world works was a result of his relatively peaceful background and made him unique among the rest of his crew, so this flashback is really starting to make me rethink his characterβ¦
Though I've never really found Dragon interesting, it was a surprise to see him at the end of the chapter and I'm curious to see what his role in this will be. Seems like a setup for him appearing in the present timeline again in the near future.
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I'm actually still just surprised that he's giving Luffy a flashback like this in the first place. Sure, Ace's death has to mean something to us considering he hasn't been around much prior to this arc, but Luffy's apparently oblivious and happy-go-lucky outlook just doesn't seem to fit with disillusioning childhood trauma. I thought his general ignorance of the way the world works was a result of his relatively peaceful background and made him unique among the rest of his crew, so this flashback is really starting to make me rethink his characterβ¦
I know some girls who also think so. But, you see, Luffy went through a lot in the manga, which are far more dangerous than what happened in the flashback, but his attitude almost doesn't change. What is so special about the Pirate King if environment is the most important element to build up his awesome personality?
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Well, there's a bit of a difference between something that happens to you when you're young and impressionable and just starting to develop conceptions about the world around you, and shit that happens when you're practically an adult and are for the most part set in your ways.
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Well, I always thought Luffy must have a dangerous childhood, which is an element to his easy-going attitude to outrageous situations, something he is kinda familiar with.
What happened to him, in the flashback, until this point, are not tragedies. I think there might be some, though. -
If we're talking about Garp throwing him off cliffs or something then I totally agree, but yeah, I was referring more to the emotional aspect that's being hammered in right now.
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I've been thinking that it was Friday all day today and that we'd be getting a raw. I only just now realized it's Thursday.
Dragon showing up on the windiest day ever is pretty nice. (hint hint)
I'm gonna wait to read the chapter again until the raw shows up. Tomorrowβ¦
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If we're talking about Garp throwing him off cliffs or something then I totally agree, but yeah, I was referring more to the emotional aspect that's being hammered right now.
I know^^. But if Luffy become an emo/overmatured 17 years old because he had a sad/tragic childhood then he is nothing special.
And I was talking about things like getting captured by Pirates, etc. -
With the "fear" that there will be no chapter this week, I've made some statistics about the chapters since 2008.
in blue: number of chapters without breaks
in green, yellow and orange: number of pages in the chapterSo there will be no breaks until mid-Julyβ¦normally
(stats are in french)
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With the "fear" that there will be no chapter this week, I've made some statistics about the chapters since 2008.
[qimg]http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7730/sortieonepiece.th.jpg[/qimg]
in blue: number of chapters without breaks
in green, yellow and orange: number of pages in the chapterSo there will be no breaks until mid-Julyβ¦normally
(stats are in french)
My guess is that we will get one or two more chapters of flashback, with the last one being the "big emotional event", then a chapter that makes the transition from flashback to present. And then a break. :sad:
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@JERK:
I wish this was true but I don't think you do?
Hancock was not talking to us.
So that they wouldn't experience discrimination from other people.
People in the comic who would look down on them or maybe even turn them in.No actually I don't do that retarded shit.
Not that even applies to the absolute insanity you're trying for here.
I can't get over how bad this argument is.Again, this is completely 100% a different scenario then your insane Who Framed Roger Rabbit concern for real people discirminating the ink on the paper. It's a different topic entirely. How are you even confusing them. You're bewildering.
What does this have to do with the slave tattoo.
How is it the same??
THE TATTOO IS NOT MEANT FOR US.
This has absolutely nothing to with what you're talking about. How is this anyway related to EITHER other example you've brought up.
Now here's a good example, because WE AREN'T PICKING THE FUCKING DOOR. This is textbook suspense.
I mean for godsakes game shows work off that principle half the time.So you're taking this vague concept and applying it to a completely different situation where virtually everything about it is different?
Why are you so bad at debate??
So then you're saying that eventually we'll find out who was or wasn't a slave? Because that's the only way the Sixth Sense comparison makes even the slightest bit of sense. Or the game show comparison.
THESE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, HPLYB TGR^$*NGF$*FGM$
"i like chocolate milk, so pumpkins are a higher yiled crop
"pretty much what you just said!!!
And no! No we're not discriminating against them! Even if we are it's utterly irrelevant to the story! Because we don't exist in it! Oda isn't concerned with our outlook! He's expressing a slave uprising and how they move on! How Fisher Tiger is a great uniter! Why the fuck would Oda be protecting characters from OUR discrimination! Why!!!
i'm horribel at debating? your like a 5 year old just saying "NO" over and over.
You bring up my many i repeat many different examples and break them up and one by one say this is different than the tattoo. Each example i brought up was different from each other, but all had teh exact same meaning behind them.
The information was was true at the time, but us knowing it woudl ruin the story. If we knew in game shows which doors had what behind, no one woudl watch. If we knew bruce willis was dead the whole time, the movie woudl have sucked. If in many movies, just mentioned death note, we knew the plan they had before they did it, it would be boring and not be good, another example for this si ocean's 11.
its all in teh same sense. If we know who was a slave or not, then why even bring up thsi whole slave marking thing and into the sun. Could he have not saved lots of dialogue and pages by just not having the tenruubito mark the slaves at all. Then when they are free they have no mark, thus can't tell who was a slave or not. But we did get told about this mark. Yes we fucking were told, or how else do we know about this. No hancock did not say "hey reader, listen to this" Hancock was talkign to luffy yes, but Oda was telling us stuff about the one piece world through hancock. Luffy isn't right now thinking exactly this incident in his head, or hell might not be thinking of it at all, yet ODA is telling us this backstory for US the reader to understand things and luffy better.
Your moronic curiosity of seeing who was a slave or not serves teh story in no purpose. Us finding out Hatchi was a slave is about as useful as us finding out later that dumbledore was gay. there is no point to telling us this unless it is very story driven and impacts it big time, and in that case the so called FICTIONAL characters woudl also learn of it.
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or here jerk, keep it simple for you
Tell me something that WE the readers have learned that the fictional characters have not.
If nothing, then tell me why in this instance would we find out who is a slave and no fictional character also find out.
If we find out say Jimbei was a slave, then so too will someone in the comic.
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With the "fear" that there will be no chapter this week, I've made some statistics about the chapters since 2008.
in blue: number of chapters without breaks
in green, yellow and orange: number of pages in the chapterSo there will be no breaks until mid-Julyβ¦normally
(stats are in french)
These stats are impresive however we can't assume that Oda is going to sitck to this schedule, he might decide to have a break latter in August.
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or here jerk, keep it simple for you
Tell me something that WE the readers have learned that the fictional characters have not.
If nothing, then tell me why in this instance would we find out who is a slave and no fictional character also find out.
If we find out say Jimbei was a slave, then so too will someone in the comic.
How about the exact same thing but with Hancock? We know about her mark but her people don't. She hid it so there would be no prejudice against her. Hey, it's amazing, but despite knowing that, I don't hold any prejudice against her (probably because I'm not retarded). But your right, I bet us readers handle the same thing with fishmen.:getlost:
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If it wasn't for the fact that I can see Jerk Disease is posting a huge post, I'd make a big post trying to disprove you, Sammsy
However, let me remind you that no one, aside from us readers, know what happened to Calgara and Norland, and that's not the only thing, there are plenty of things we know that the characters don't, Oda shows whatever he wants us to see
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I can't see Sabo dying. He's too developed now for a flashback character.
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Which is a great reason to kill him.
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I can't see Sabo dying. He's too developed now for a flashback character.
I still don't see much difference between him and Tom, Hiruluk or Saul.
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Which is a great reason to kill him.
Exactly.
I'm not saying Sabo will die for sure. However, it's too early for the possibility to be dismissed.
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i'm horribel at debating?
Yep.
your like a 5 year old just saying "NO" over and over.
Well, followed by reasons as to no.
You bring up my many i repeat many different examples and break them up and one by one say this is different than the tattoo.
That's most likely because they were different. Which by the way, they were. I even explained how.
Each example i brought up was different from each other, but all had teh exact same meaning behind them.
No actually they didn't, that was the problem. Most were based on suspense for an eventually revealed factor. Whereas your thing with the tattoos is uhβ¦.based on Oda trying to evidently protect the characters from the audiences judgement.
The information was was true at the time, but us knowing it woudl ruin the story.
Timing has nothing to do with what you're talking about with the tattoos. As you are talking as if those will never be revealed. You're entire argument as to why a Jimbei flashback can't happened.
If we knew in game shows which doors had what behind, no one woudl watch.
You have never watched a game show in your life because many many many gameshows do this. And guess what. People watch them.
based off seeing wether the contestant chooses correctly.Also this has nothing whatsoever to do with your example since you aren't basing the tattoos on suspense. Just complete withholding of information for a reason completely unmotivated my mystery or suspense.
If we knew bruce willis was dead the whole time, the movie woudl have sucked. If in many movies, just mentioned death note, we knew the plan they had before they did it, it would be boring and not be good, another example for this si ocean's 11.
You haven't watched many movies. Revealing a big plot point then showing us how we get there is common and half the fun. Then there are movies like Pulp Fiction that don't even build to anything and hump ahead to show some characters dying, then back to when they're still alive.
Also this has nothing whatsoever to do with your example since you aren't basing the tattoos on suspense. Just complete withholding of information for a reason completely unmotivated my mystery or suspense.
its all in teh same sense.
Actually no, they have nothing whatsoever to do with your example since you aren't basing the tattoos on suspense. Just complete withholding of information for a reason completely unmotivated my mystery or suspense.
If we know who was a slave or not, then why even bring up thsi whole slave marking thing and into the sun.
Well I could think of several reason, to emphasize a culture partly based around fighting human tyranny, as a symbol of Fisher Tiger's liberator status.
But mainly, let me get this straight.
By speaking of it as you are, you're saying we can't know at the moment who is or who is not a slave. And that eventually Oda will reveal it.That's what you would be saying by comparing it to The Sixth Sense and Ocean's 11.
But you are actually saying something completely different, which is Oda won't tell us because he wants to protect the fictional characters from being discriminated against by real live people. Which as nothing to do with careful plotted mystery. And everything to do with mental disorders.
Could he have not saved lots of dialogue and pages by just not having the tenruubito mark the slaves at all. Then when they are free they have no mark, thus can't tell who was a slave or not.
He's emphasizing the whole process of what slavery does to people. it dehumanizes them. That's the whole point of the mark. And through that emphasizing the rebellion of Fisher Tiger against this.
If Oda really cared about what you're saying he would have had all slaves have such a thing. But not we still saw it with Boa and her sisters. He's only done this with Fishmen, and even then only Fishmen of the Pirates of the Sun.
So then by your logic he is not protecting characters from our judgement, but only the former members of the Sun Pirates for some reason. Which makes no sesne at all.
Also this has nothing whatsoever to do with your film examples since you aren't basing the tattoos on suspense. Just complete withholding of information for a reason completely unmotivated my mystery or suspense.
But we did get told about this mark. Yes we fucking were told, or how else do we know about this. No hancock did not say "hey reader, listen to this" Hancock was talkign to luffy yes, but Oda was telling us stuff about the one piece world through hancock. Luffy isn't right now thinking exactly this incident in his head, or hell might not be thinking of it at all, yet ODA is telling us this backstory for US the reader to understand things and luffy better.
But not whatsoever for the purposes you've made up in your mind in order to deny the Jimbei supporters their character's right to a flashback.
Your moronic curiosity of seeing who was a slave or not serves teh story in no purpose.
So you're saying living part of your life as a slave under brutal tyrants is trivial and has no bearing on an important character's background and curent status. Which while hilariously wrong on it's own also clashes with the fact that Oda has already done this with Hancock?
Us finding out Hatchi was a slave is about as useful as us finding out later that dumbledore was gay.
Finding out someone was a slave is every bit as important as seeing the tragic events in the pasts of any other character. Nami, Sanji, Zoro, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Usopp, Brooke, Luffy.
It is exactly the same scenario. EXACTLY.
If you deny the relevance of someone's past on so monumental as issue as being a slave, you are denying the relevance of every single one of those flashbacks.
there is no point to telling us this unless it is very story driven and impacts it big time, and in that case the so called FICTIONAL characters woudl also learn of it.
What the fuck do you think we mean you vapid bratty dumbass.
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I thought Ace was supposed to be Luffy's big loss.
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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In the present. Nothing prevents Sabo from dying.
And Sabo dying first would only make Luffy even more attached to his only remaining brother.
It would still make for redundant drama. Which would be extra dumb to have in a flashback directly after and partly in response to the previous drama.
Also Sabo's character has been far too built up and focused on to just be a catalyst for Oda showing why Luffy is extra sad about Ace, which is also an incredibly pointless reason for the flashback to take place as it produces nothing new and just reinforces and already well driven home point.
That Luffy is sad that Ace died.
1\. Ace (β), 2\. WB (β), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (β) 5\. Boa (β) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (β), 8\. Timeskip (β)
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But everybody dies in flashback
How can it not happen
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Sammsy is like a guy I met who told me drinking lemon juice without added water could kill you. - He heard of the danger of acids, heard of lemons being full of (citric acids) and somewhere in his retarded mind drew the conclusion lemon juice is dangerous.
That's it; Sixth sense + symbolism + 4th wall = Sammsy conclusion.
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So no one give a thought about this?
@Sea:Ace and Luffy think Sabo is dead. That is enough for a motivation.
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@JERK:
It would still make for redundant drama. Which would be extra dumb to have in a flashback directly after and partly in response to the previous drama.
What? :blink: Luffy just lost his second brother, so it makes perfect sense to show him losing his first brother and make us feel sympathy for his current suffering.
Also Sabo's character has been far too built up and focused on to just be a catalyst for Oda showing why Luffy is extra sad about Ace, which is also an incredibly pointless reason for the flashback to take place as it produces nothing new and just reinforces and already well drivern home point.
That Luffy is sad that Ace died.
We know Luffy's sad. But we are not feeling the same sadness, are we? Every flashback served a purpose that goes beyond showing the past; it made us feel the character's tribulations. That's why Oda spends a lot of chapters building up them and always end them with a bang.
Now Luffy's sad. We go into flashback mode. The flashback ends happily (for us readers at least). We go back to the present and Luffy's still sad. That's emotional dissonance. Why have a Luffy flashback at this stage if it would not further make us sympathize with Luffy?
@Sea:
So no one give a thought about this?
If we readers know about Sabo surviving, we won't feel the same sadness as Luffy.
Unless Oda makes us believe Sabo died as well, just to reintroduce him alive later. That would work wonders. And also surprise us readers as much as it would surprise Luffy.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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If we readers know about Sabo surviving, we won't feel the same sadness as Luffy.
Unless Oda makes us believe Sabo died as well, just to reintroduce him alive later. That would work wonders.So Sabo has to die to satisfy your thirst of drama?
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@Sea:
So Sabo has to die to satisfy your thirst of drama?
Oda doesn't do that shit.Damn straight.
When someone dies in One Piece, it generally has meaning.
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Yes he does
How many times did he pretend someone dies only to bring him back later?
Pell and the entire Franky Family along with some of Galley's guys come to mindI quoted the wrong part so you misunderstood my point. I said that Oda wouldn't kill someone off just to make reader cry. Sabo can play an important role.
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@Sea:
So Sabo has to die to satisfy your thirst of drama?
Oda doesn't do that shit.He doesn't? Haven't you ever read any flashback in One Piece?
I don't mind you not agreeing with what I'm saying here, but to say Oda doesn't do drama, specially in flashbacks, is just dumb.
@Sea:
I quoted the wrong part so you misunderstand my point. I said that Oda wouldn't kill someone off just to make reader cry.
Wow.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Sea:
I quoted the wrong part so you misunderstood my point. I said that Oda wouldn't kill someone off just to make reader cry. Sabo can play an important role.
Oh, alright
I guess Oda likes doing drama, but Sabo is obviously gonna be with the revolutionaries
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He doesn't? Haven't you ever read any flashback in One Piece?
I don't mind you not agreeing with what I'm saying here, but to say Oda doesn't do drama, specially in flashbacks, is just dumb.
Wow.
You have no idea what is drama in One Piece for. And you are saying I am dumb.
Oda loves his characters. And he builds up many sad pasts for the Straw Hat so that we can understand their character/situation, understand their development, and grow to love them.
If you think One Piece is that cheap (try to make readers cry for any cost), I am not arguing. Read Oda's interviews. -
Yes he does
How many times did he pretend someone dies only to bring him back later?
Pell and the entire Franky Family along with some of Galley's guys come to mindYeah, and notice how meaningless their 'death' was in comparison to the people who REALLY die?
Bellemere? Dramatic gunshot and dramatic quotes from the past.
Hiluk? Insanely powerful speech and taking of own life.
Tom? Franky trying to block a train to prevent his execution.
Brooke's entire crew? Dramatic musical number!Pell? Dramatic stare Vivi.
Villians? Quick defeats and zero mention of them until they are needed againβ¦unless you are Kaku and have a dramatic defeat.
Mr. 8? VIVI AND NAMI LESBIAN HUG! -
What? :blink: Luffy just lost his second brother, so it makes perfect sense to show him losing his first brother and make us feel sympathy for his current suffering.
Are you implying that we don't already feel sympathy for Luffy? Because that's ridiculous. This isn't a complex issue that needs explanation. Luffy lost a brother. That's emotionally self explanatory. And Oda has depicted it as such. The flashback will add to that, and has, but only in small part. The overall goal Oda's trying for with it has yet to be seen and will not be something like that. And furthermore he won't waste Sabo in such a pointless manner.
We know Luffy's sad. But we are not feeling the same sadness, are we?
Are you kidding???
Honestly, this is almost wierder then what Shammy's going on about.
I can't take this seriously. Especially since your solution to the "problem" is to more or less just repeat it again.We don't need aid to feel the sadness.
Every flashback served a purpose that goes beyond showing the past; it made us feel the character's tribulations. That's why Oda spends a lot of chapters building up them and always end them with a bang.
All of them focused on explaining a character's mysterious conflict that was holding them back from something in the present. It showed why Robin would sacrifice herself in fear for losing friends. It showed why Nami had chained herself to Arlong's service. It showed why Usopp lies. It showed why Sanji stayed at the Baratie. It showed why Chopper wants to be a doctor. It showed why Franky became an outlaw Cyborg.
The sole exception is Brooke's flashback, which Oda used kind of as a form of epilouge for the TB arc, simultaneously intercutting it with the parties of the present to show that Brooke had lost a home found one again.
All of those things were not emotionally self explanatory. Ace dying as he did, is.
Now Luffy's sad. We go into flashback mode. The flashback ends happily (for us readers at least). We go back to the present and Luffy's still sad. That's emotional dissonance. Why have a Luffy flashback at this stage if it would not further make us sympathize with Luffy?
It may reveal a memory that Luffy will draw comfort from so that he stops being so berserk in his sadness and start on the road to recovery.
If Sabo DOES end up dying, I could see it being in that capacity. Some way he dies ends up being an optimistic thing, though I highly doubt it. But this at least would make the flashback progressive and not redundant.Or the flashback would have a huge variety of purposes, which is more and more possible what with Dragon showing up.
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What? :blink: Luffy just lost his second brother, so it makes perfect sense to show him losing his first brother and make us feel sympathy for his current suffering.
This doesn't make any sense. Were the ppl who were going to feel sympathy not going to feel it before this flashback? How does it make sense to show him losing his first brother and make us feel sympathy for his current suffering?
How does Luffy's alleged loss in this flashback make us feel sympathy for his current suffering and not his suffering in the flashback that would be sure to come once he's told Sabo is dead?
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Yeah, and notice how meaningless their 'death' was in comparison to the people who REALLY die?
Bellemere? Dramatic gunshot and dramatic quotes from the past.
Hiluk? Insanely powerful speech and taking of own life.
Tom? Franky trying to block a train to prevent his execution.
Brooke's entire crew? Dramatic musical number!Pell? Dramatic stare Vivi.
Villians? Quick defeats and zero mention of them until they are needed againβ¦unless you are Kaku and have a dramatic defeat.
Mr. 8? VIVI AND NAMI LESBIAN HUG!Nop, nop, I was simply answering what I quoted
He (seemed to) say that Oda never pretends someone dies just to make us sad, I denied and said he tried a lot of times to make us feel as if someone died, but turns out he just quoted the wrong part of Deicide's post -
Every time Deicide calls me dumb, I know I am not dumb. Thank you a lot.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
This doesn't make any sense. We're the ppl who were going to feel sympathy not going to feel it before this flashback? How does it make sense to show him losing his first brother and make us feel sympathy for his current suffering?
How does Luffy's alleged loss in this flashback make us feel sympathy for his current suffering and not his suffering in the flashback that would be sure to come once he's told Sabo is dead?
Yeah, if someone can't feel bad for Luffy that Ace died. Why would the same scenario with Sabo make them any better?
And quite frankly what would be wrong with someone that they didn't feel bad for Luffy? Even people who hate Ace can feel bad for Luffy here.
People on NPC for instance.1\. Ace (β), 2\. WB (β), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (β) 5\. Boa (β) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (β), 8\. Timeskip (β)
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What's NPC?
I have never heard of it (stupid word limit).
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What's NPC?
I have never heard of it (stupid word limit).
Never played Earthbound or Mother 3, have you?
