so i finally got my volumes for the skypiea arc and reading the end of the arc where robin is reading the ponegliph and reads the message left by roger.
well how did roger get to the bell in the first place if the bell was floating around on a separate cloud that was completely separated from the island and thatt no one knew about?
im starting to think that there is more to roger than we can imagine. DF power perhaps?
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Mybe Gan Forr told him where it was, Roger then climb the giant jack to the golden bell or if Perrie gave him a ride.
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 18 2005, 01:39 AM
Mybe Gan Forr told him where it was, Roger then climb the giant jack to the golden bell or if Perrie gave him a ride.
[snapback]91109[/snapback]don't say silly things…
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 18 2005, 11:39 AM
Mybe Gan Forr told him where it was, Roger then climb the giant jack to the golden bell or if Perrie gave him a ride.
[snapback]91109[/snapback]man don't say such shallow things, they didnt have a clue that it was there! all gun fall knew was that he met a guy called rodger. when u come to think of it rodger must have the knowledge of robin and the strength of luffy to find out where that bell was… the fact that he can also write porneglyph means that he could b related to nico robin...
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Maybe Gol D. Roger had some one in his crew with the ability to fly (like Pell)
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maybe it was some where in the grandline and he hid it. then it fell down in jaya. just a guess
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
Nice job jumping on the bandwagon there Aethos, I can only wish I was as cool as you_
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 18 2005, 02:41 AM
Maybe Gol D. Roger had some one in his crew with the ability to fly (like Pell)
[snapback]91129[/snapback]maybe…
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 17 2005, 10:41 PM
Maybe Gol D. Roger had some one in his crew with the ability to fly (like Pell)
[snapback]91129[/snapback]that's exactly what i was thinkin'.
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If Luffy made it up there when he fought Eneru, Roger probably wouldnt have any problems doing the same
What I'm curious abt is whether Roger is already the Pirate King when he inscriped those words on the bell. Is his msg on the bell part of his desire to inspire the age of pirates (due to his execution) and creating a path for others to follow?
In that case, pple like Shanks and White Beard may have already visited Sky Piea and the bell..
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Originally posted by winters@Jul 18 2005, 04:34 AM
**If Luffy made it up there when he fought Eneru, Roger probably wouldnt have any problems doing the sameWhat I'm curious abt is whether Roger is already the Pirate King when he inscriped those words on the bell. Is his msg on the bell part of his desire to inspire the age of pirates (due to his execution) and creating a path for others to follow?
In that case, pple like Shanks and White Beard may have already visited Sky Piea and the bell..
[snapback]91192[/snapback]**another that say silly things…
roger only wrote that he been here and follow the poly... what link there is between this and the Age of Pirates? And how roger can be the king if skypiea is on the fist part of grand line (second part is after the red line passage) and the one piece is on second part?other thing: if shanks and whitebeard visited skypiea why they won't tell that jaya was knocked up?
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not that i think his theory is right but where onepiece is currently placed shouldnt really prove anything since Roger didnt find it Onepiece is his treasure maybe something personal or all his treasures he found or prehaps both,
this is at least how ive understood it.
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even if someone in his crew could fly, he would have had to get to the bell himself to write that msg.
we know the bell was already in the sky at that poin cos we are told that it got knocked up from jaya 400 years before.
and as far as luffy getting there, he had to ride the giant jack as it was falling in that direction, while on the waiver.
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I don't think there was as exact moment when Roger became "the pirate king".. he was just during his life time the greatest pirate there was. Not like there was a specific coronation day or anything. And he inspired more and more people to become a pirate aswell, by his greatness, and most of all by the martyr-dom of his death. And his ultimate treasure, the one piece - which we still don't know what it is exactly - he has hidden somewhere (supposedly at the end of the grand line) and the very notion of it created a frenzy in people everywhere to search for it.
(this is in response to the question whether he was already the pirate king when he wrote the message)
even if someone in his crew could fly, he would have had to get to the bell himself to write that msg.
He was the only one (as far as we know) to make it to raftel, so surely getting on an elevated cloud wasn't the greatest of obstacles for him :P
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_Originally posted by - NeX -+Jul 18 2005, 11:48 AM–>QUOTE(- NeX - @ Jul 18 2005, 11:48 AM)
Originally posted by winters@Jul 18 2005, 04:34 AM
**If Luffy made it up there when he fought Eneru, Roger probably wouldnt have any problems doing the sameWhat I'm curious abt is whether Roger is already the Pirate King when he inscriped those words on the bell. Is his msg on the bell part of his desire to inspire the age of pirates (due to his execution) and creating a path for others to follow?
In that case, pple like Shanks and White Beard may have already visited Sky Piea and the bell..
[snapback]91192[/snapback]**another that say silly things…
roger only wrote that he been here and follow the poly... what link there is between this and the Age of Pirates? And how roger can be the king if skypiea is on the fist part of grand line (second part is after the red line passage) and the one piece is on second part?other thing: if shanks and whitebeard visited skypiea why they won't tell that jaya was knocked up?
[snapback]91200[/snapback]Nex, im sorry what I said sounds silly to you. I know it may not come across easily to u cos I try not to type out whole sentences.
We know that Roger died inspiring many to become pirates and thus began the Age of Pirates. What I am sugguesting is that Roger left a trail for his potential successor (or pirates who are capable enuff to make it to Sky Piea and the bell),
so that they understand there is a True History (as opposed to the history the WG misled the public with) and finding out this True History is as impt (IMO) as finding OP (maybe both will be in Raftel)Roger can sail back to Sky Piea even if he has become the Pirate King, cant he?I believe in finding OP, he came to understand the true history of the OP world but for some reason he cant reveal it to everyone.. thus he left the msg on the bell
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**I don't think there was as exact moment when Roger became "the pirate king".. he was just during his life time the greatest pirate there was. Not like there was a specific coronation day or anything. And he inspired more and more people to become a pirate aswell, by his greatness, and most of all by the martyr-dom of his death. And his ultimate treasure, the one piece - which we still don't know what it is exactly - he has hidden somewhere (supposedly at the end of the grand line) and the very notion of it created a frenzy in people everywhere to search for it.(this is in response to the question whether he was already the pirate king when he wrote the message)
[snapback]91219[/snapback]**_Jackvance, thks for ur explanation. Actually I wasnt thinkin so much as when he became the Pirate King, more like did the events on Sky Piea (Roger inscripting the msg) actually happened after he gotten OP or be4?
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I think that a person who finds a way to go to an island in the sky should be able to find a way to get to the golden bell once he knows it´s location.
About how he found out about it´s location, I´d say that he either a) had the exact same idea Nico Robin had or B) he just wanted to climb to the top of Giant Jack to have a better view and found it accidentally.Originally posted by warp@Jul 18 2005, 02:43 AM
maybe it was some where in the grandline and he hid it. then it fell down in jaya. just a guess
[snapback]91132[/snapback]Excuse me when I seem totally, utterly and completely confused but what are you talking about? :blink:
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hahaahaha warp u r very lost… hav u read the manga or watched the anime... jaya was an island in the sea, but was lifted into the sky... however only half the island was blown up, hence the bell being that part being flown up... the bell went up into the air and the bell went to pretty much the top of the giant jack. it has been there ever since and has never even come down from there... and as ivotas says, if rodger made it to raftel, the end of the grandline im sure he can make his way to skypiea and find this bell, whether like nico robin did or by coincidence. either way, he found it and makred his name on an ancient piece of work... dam bastard!
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Shanks and Whitebeard haven't visited Skypiea…........................................... At leasty I'm sure that Whitebeard with Ace didn't because then if they knew about the bell then they would try to get it and the gold but then Eneru would be in their way and he would already be defeated because Whitebeard is the "strongest guy in the world" and Ace is another logia user. Shanks and Whitebeard without Ace maybe, but I highly, highly doubt it. Wouldn't the two of them outnumber (well, maybe Shanks wouldn';t outnumber them)and be too strong for Eneru?..... I mean, I think both parties wouldn't want to pay that expensive fee and then they go in anyways and Eneru gets mad..... And then they beat Eneru to bits, but that didn't happen until Luffy came so they didn't in my perspective. Bird Bird Fruit model hmmmm Eagle? :P That sounds good to me for one of Roger's crew. :P Anyways Since its when Gan Full was in that high position nobody would try to stop Roger.... And I think Eneru made that entrance fee rule, Gan Full doesn't seem like the person who wants entrance fees. :P
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While I agree that Whitebeard and Shanks weren´t on Skypiea I don´t agree for the reason you mentioned. You can´t just jump to conclusions that Whitebeard would have taken the gold with him. If Roger left the golden city and the bell behind, then why shouldn´t Whitebeard do the same? I´m not saying that he would leave it behind for sure, but so far his character wasn´t developed enough to take it as a given that he would have taken the gold. Same goes for Shanks.
The reason why I think that they weren´t up there is that it appears that between Roger´s and Luffy´s crew there wasn´t any visitors from the blue sea at Skypiea (unless of course I´m forgetting something here).
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Originally posted by winters@Jul 18 2005, 07:51 AM
**Roger can sail back to Sky Piea even if he has become the Pirate King, cant he?I believe in finding OP, he came to understand the true history of the OP world but for some reason he cant reveal it to everyone.. thus he left the msg on the bell[snapback]91219[/snapback]**
and how he did this GREAT thing if he after founded one piece was executed in Logue Town?
Other thing how he can reach one piece without following the things wrote for poseidon?
other thing why gan forr didn't said to robin he came twice?
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i reckon that gold roger had the gomu gomu powers, the timeline fits that his fruit reappeared after his death an floated for long enough for shanks to find and luffy to eat it, if was a good enough fighter to claim title of 'king' then he probably had better control over his power than luffy, so it wouldve been easy for him to just stretch upto the bell, whoever said skypiea was somewhere else in the grandline then jus landed above jaya or wateva, u dont have a clue
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Originally posted by betus@Jul 18 2005, 09:11 AM
i reckon that gold roger had the gomu gomu powers, the timeline fits that his fruit reappeared after his death an floated for long enough for shanks to find and luffy to eat it, if was a good enough fighter to claim title of 'king' then he probably had better control over his power than luffy, so it wouldve been easy for him to just stretch upto the bell, whoever said skypiea was somewhere else in the grandline then jus landed above jaya or wateva, u dont have a clue
[snapback]91409[/snapback]Hm interesting idea.. with all the similarities going on between Luffy that have been hinted at (like the "D", the laugh upon death,..) it would be quite a shocker that Roger had the same DF as Luffy.. which makes me suspect Oda might just have that in store for us :)
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Didn't Gol D. Roger became the Pirate King by being the first one to dare enter the Grand Line ???
Gol D. Roger could have been transported by the flying element of his crew
Remember Pell was able to fly with the cannonball
And Gol D. Roger wrote the message before he reached the place where the last Poneglyph "The True History" is, if not he wouldn't say "I'll follow this words to the end" but "I've followed this words to the end"
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 18 2005, 05:52 PM
Didn't Gol D. Roger became the Pirate King by being the first one to dare enter the Grand Line ???
[snapback]91478[/snapback]Nope, but instead of bringing in lots of theorethic arguments I´ll prove the point with saying that Montblanc Norland entered the Grand Line almost 400 years before Roger did. :D
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 05:59 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 05:59 PM)
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nice ivotas ;)
i was re-reading skypiea yesterday and i got a lot more doubts than just this… but in my translation (Null) i'm pretty sure the setence is "I've been here and followed it's guidance" Gol D. Roger
This implies in Roger having returned to skypiea after finishing the Grand Line and initiated his efforts for creating a the Pirate Age. Think, let's say that Roger reached Raftel and decided that other people should get there to let something happen. He could have just navigated all the way back to Logue Town and in the way scribing those "inspirational words" in the stone tablets and when he reached Logue Town he simply turned himself in. Unless i'm mistaken we only know that Roger was executed but i for one believe he turned himself in and allowed the execution so that he would become a matyr and start a whole new era of the world. I think Roger wanted to let people know the True Story, he expects that when certain people learn it they will be able to do something. I dun noe... got a little lost in my toughts i'll go drink some b33r and then i'll return to finish my toughts
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 18 2005, 06:10 PM
I thought Montblanc Norland was of one of the Kingdom's of the Grand Line :unsure:Nope, he´s from the kingdom of Livneel in North Blue. Why else should he be called Liar Norland from North Blue? ;)
And weren't there people living in the Grand Line even before Montblanc Norland got there ?
[snapback]91496[/snapback]Of course they were. These Porneglyph´s are the proof for that. They didn´t appear out of nowhere. The leading people of the islands that have one protect the Porneglyphs even much longer then when Norland was born.
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 06:15 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 06:15 PM)
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Originally posted by d3adpool@Jul 18 2005, 06:14 PM
**nice ivotas ;)i was re-reading skypiea yesterday and i got a lot more doubts than just this… but in my translation (Null) i'm pretty sure the setence is "I've been here and followed it's guidance" Gol D. Roger**
You´ve probably have read this version. However if you read stephens version you´ll notice the difference. Scroll down to page 118 to find that text.
This implies in Roger having returned to skypiea after finishing the Grand Line and initiated his efforts for creating a the Pirate Age. Think, let's say that Roger reached Raftel and decided that other people should get there to let something happen. He could have just navigated all the way back to Logue Town and in the way scribing those "inspirational words" in the stone tablets and when he reached Logue Town he simply turned himself in. Unless i'm mistaken we only know that Roger was executed but i for one believe he turned himself in and allowed the execution so that he would become a matyr and start a whole new era of the world. I think Roger wanted to let people know the True Story, he expects that when certain people learn it they will be able to do something. I dun noe… got a little lost in my toughts i'll go drink some b33r and then i'll return to finish my toughts
[snapback]91499[/snapback]Well I don´t think that he returned to Skypiea mostly because of the reason that I still go with Ubig´s theory on where All Blue and Raftel (and with this One Piece) remain hidden and that would be under the River´s Mountain. And since River´s Mountain isn´t that far away from LogueTown I think that he went back home immediately after he achieved everything. If you spin the theory further you could imagine that this means that Luffy doesn´t have such a long way to meet Dragon again after he found One Piece. Other then that he would be pretty close to Laboon. It fits together somehow. ;)
Anyways I agree with your point about Roger turning himself in. So far I interpret him as adventure thristy as Luffy. And if he has achieved everything there might have been nothing worth to live for. And with his last words he actually did a great "favour" to the World Government by launching thousands of Pirates out to the seas.
Other than that there might be another reason why Roger might have turned himself over. But instead of rewriting it I´ll just link you to this whack theory -
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other thing: if shanks and whitebeard visited skypiea why they won't tell that jaya was knocked up?
[snapback]91200[/snapback]beacuse it wasny pregent. :P lol jk. seriously tho. if roger wrote those wirds in the bell saying for every1 to start an age of the pirates. did he knew he was gonna get excuted in skypiea
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whacky theory indeed ;) i find it hard to be true but personally wouldn't be sad if it was true….
and with this stephen translation just bugs me even more ^^ i think that if Oda was a english writer 3/4 of all discussions in this forum would be gone ^^
and i've read this theory of Laftel/All Blue being under weirdo mountain, sounds plausible and it even has the whole logic of All Blue having fish from everywhere else so maybe there is a "one way passage" passage that leads to weirdo mountain. i always had this question: how does one leaves the Grand Line? (ie. Don Krieg) this was answered in SBS already?
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 02:34 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 02:34 PM) _> Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 18 2005, 02:17 PM
****Roger can sail back to Sky Piea even if he has become the Pirate King, cant he?I believe in finding OP, he came to understand the true history of the OP world but for some reason he cant reveal it to everyone.. thus he left the msg on the bell
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and how he did this GREAT thing if he after founded one piece was executed in Logue Town?
Other thing how he can reach one piece without following the things wrote for poseidon?
other thing why gan forr didn't said to robin he came twice?
IT'S A NONSENSE!
[snapback]91377[/snapback]**The only nonsense here is your grammar. Winters didn´t say that Roger went back to Skypiea, he just stated that it physically could have been possible for him to go there a second time.
Before you walk around and labeling other people´s thoughts as nonsense you should bother to understand them first.
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i'm italian if he don't speak right how could i understand?
anyway he COULD but i don't think the same!
[snapback]91545[/snapback]It just doesn´t give you the right to walk around and label other board members statements as nonsense. As pointed out winter´s point was valid. Personally I don´t think that what he said happened, but that doesn´t negate the possibility that it might have happened.
Just because your opinion disagree´s with his it doesn´t mean that you can call it nonsense. You should tolerate other people´s opinions. ;)Other then that I don´t understand what your entire "…if he don´t speak right how could I understand?" part is supposed to mean. Are you trying to say that what winters said was not understandable? If that´s the case then I disagree with you, because his words made perfect sense (to me at least) if you are not able to understand them then it is not his fault.
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 18 2005, 11:20 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 18 2005, 11:20 PM)
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Originally posted by - NeX -@Jul 18 2005, 08:52 PM
not said this. i was trying to say why must brainstorm people with fact not happened in manga!
[snapback]91689[/snapback]because it`s fun…. if there was no need for brainstorming this board would just be:
chapter is released
everybody says how great it is for a week
next chap is released and so it goescrazy theories are a lot of fun, and every once in a while somebody is right
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Originally posted by - NeX -+Jul 18 2005, 11:52 PM–>QUOTE(- NeX - @ Jul 18 2005, 11:52 PM) _> Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 18 2005, 11:20 PM
**i'm italian if he don't speak right how could i understand?
anyway he COULD but i don't think the same!
[snapback]91545[/snapback]It just doesn´t give you the right to walk around and label other board members statements as nonsense. As pointed out winter´s point was valid. Personally I don´t think that what he said happened, but that doesn´t negate the possibility that it might have happened.
Just because your opinion disagree´s with his it doesn´t mean that you can call it nonsense. You should tolerate other people´s opinions. ;)Other then that I don´t understand what your entire "…if he don´t speak right how could I understand?" part is supposed to mean. Are you trying to say that what winters said was not understandable? If that´s the case then I disagree with you, because his words made perfect sense (to me at least) if you are not able to understand them then it is not his fault.
[snapback]91673[/snapback]**not said this. i was trying to say why must brainstorm people with fact not happened in manga!
[snapback]91689[/snapback]Maybe because this is a discussion forum and random thoughts should be discussed here. It´s not like anything in the manga really denies that Roger went to Skypiea a second time.
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Thanks for defending me, Ivotas :)
I dun like to be called names or my words labelled as nonsense
but I'm cool with it cos dun expect everyone on this forum to be nice :PAnyway, u hit the nail right on the head. I think Nex didnt understand me.
d3adpool's contribution below was really wat I wanted to put across.Originally posted by d3adpool@Jul 19 2005, 01:14 AM
**nice ivotas ;)i was re-reading skypiea yesterday and i got a lot more doubts than just this… but in my translation (Null) i'm pretty sure the setence is "I've been here and followed it's guidance" Gol D. Roger
This implies in Roger having returned to skypiea after finishing the Grand Line and initiated his efforts for creating a the Pirate Age. Think, let's say that Roger reached Raftel and decided that other people should get there to let something happen. He could have just navigated all the way back to Logue Town and in the way scribing those "inspirational words" in the stone tablets and when he reached Logue Town he simply turned himself in. Unless i'm mistaken we only know that Roger was executed but i for one believe he turned himself in and allowed the execution so that he would become a matyr and start a whole new era of the world. I think Roger wanted to let people know the True Story, he expects that when certain people learn it they will be able to do something. I dun noe... got a little lost in my toughts i'll go drink some b33r and then i'll return to finish my toughts
[snapback]91499[/snapback]**I didnt think he went straight back to his hometown or Logue Town after Raftel
cos wat he found there (I'm assuming he finds both OP and the True History)
would have made him determined to do something abt it (Expose the WG &
reveal the true history to everyone)The qn is y didnt he reveal the True History? The most likely reason to me is that Who would have believed him?
Fellow pirates? Look wat happened to those idiotic pirates who laughed at Luffy for
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Perhaps Roger found the True History and it was so horrifying/depressing that he turned himself in for execution so he wouldn't have to live with the terrible truth anymore. Eh, maybe not..
Are the tablets the Ponyglyphs are engraved upon all made of the same kind of material? If so, would it be possible to make a log pose to track them?
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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You´re welcome winters. :)
_Originally posted by betus+Jul 18 2005, 03:11 PM–>QUOTE(betus @ Jul 18 2005, 03:11 PM)i reckon that gold roger had the gomu gomu powers, the timeline fits that his fruit reappeared after his death an floated for long enough for shanks to find and luffy to eat it, if was a good enough fighter to claim title of 'king' then he probably had better control over his power than luffy, so it wouldve been easy for him to just stretch upto the bell, whoever said skypiea was somewhere else in the grandline then jus landed above jaya or wateva, u dont have a clue
[snapback]91409[/snapback]I honestly doubt that Roger had a DF power. From all we know many people still don´t know much about the Devil Fruits other then rumours and yet everybody knew Gold Roger. With him being so popular everybody should have known that he had a DF power which would actually mean that everybody should have been familiar with them since at least 22 years. But apparantly "Not much is known about them". ;)
@Jul 19 2005, 07:15 AM
Perhaps Roger found the True History and it was so horrifying/depressing that he turned himself in for execution so he wouldn't have to live with the terrible truth anymore. Eh, maybe not..__I actually think that he rather found the truth so wonderful that he wanted to tell it to the entire world. But in the end he rather wanted people to experience it by themselves instead of just hearing it from him. That´s why I guess he "You want my treasures? You can have it!".
And somehow I think Dragon fits in there with his entire "The world is waiting for our answer" attitude.
Are the tablets the Ponyglyphs are engraved upon all made of the same kind of material? If so, would it be possible to make a log pose to track them?
[snapback]91858[/snapback]If they are all of the same material then a Log Pose wouldn´t help anything. The islands of the Grand Line are all rich on minerals but still each island has it´s very own magnetic field the Pose has to adapt. If a Log Pose could adapt to Porneglyph´s then it would just adapt to one once and then it couldn´t readapt to the next one because it would be the exact same thing materialwise. ;)_
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yeh log pose is the special compass adapting to the enxt islands gravity as ivotas sed. hmm gold rodger having a df power… to me i dont think he had one but i also wouldnt b surprised if he did. but if he did have a df, i wonder which one he had :blink:
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Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 19 2005, 12:12 PM
yeh log pose is the special compass adapting to the enxt islands gravity as ivotas sed. hmm gold rodger having a df power… to me i dont think he had one but i also wouldnt b surprised if he did. but if he did have a df, i wonder which one he had :blink:
[snapback]91951[/snapback]most probably according to what aokiji said he had gom gom too… i hope for this. anyway why him and not the yellow or red general had taken care of him?
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Originally posted by - NeX -+Jul 19 2005, 06:11 PM–>QUOTE(- NeX - @ Jul 19 2005, 06:11 PM)
