I hope it's a cool one…I like Clayface, but that's impossible, right?
The Dark Knight Rises
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So you're still thinking it's Hugo Strange? Meh, i'd rather see someone else. We already get Strange in the Arkham City game, that's enough for me.
I sorta like to joke it's Penquin….
Addressing your statement, if you use that logic 'well the character is already in a game why put them in the movie' then how about Catwoman who's set to appear in this film, and is also about appear to in Arkham City aswell? If you take a look at the story 'Prey' which is set in a 'early years' Bat's timeframe and when you look at where the Dark Knight is now, its pretty much the perfect blueprint for this film that will grant it a great story. That character is obviously not as well known as the Riddler, Catwoman or even Penquin and quite frankly he dosen't have as much media exposure.
To be honest, he was pretty much a generic pulp mad scientist/gangster in the early days then evolved into a crazed pychiatrist in modern times. For now, I have ceased using the character's name in reponse to the general annoyance of many in this thread for hyping him up so much; but I wouldn't be throwing him up so much if I wasn't sure he would grant a great story for this film(if they go by his modern version). Looking at the plot leaks I'd say it doesn't look too likely he will appear and if its verified he doesn't appear...well that's fine. I'd imagine if he is in this film he would be allied with League of Shadows and inject Bane with some type of steriod to get him to be 'buff'. Black Mask is still too modern, Tony Zucco has a chance but he isn't really a 'big villian' if you know what I mean and he's too tied to Robin's origin(who will not appear in this film) and judging from Oldman's comment it's obviously a 'big villian.'
Look at what he said: ''If I told you who the villian was they'd kill me.''
Interestingly enough Bane's orgin could be linked to 'him' in many ways look at this.Bane ultimately establishes himself as the "king" of Peña Dura prison. The prison's controllers take note and eventually force him to become a test subject for a mysterious drug known as Venom, which had killed all other subjects; the drug is administered by a doctor who bears a passing resemblance to another Batman foe, Dr. Hugo Strange Later, in Vengeance of Bane II the very same doctor encounters Bane again in Gotham and it can be confirmed that it is not Hugo Strange, who at that point in Batman continuity was a crazed psychologist and not a surgeon. The Peña Dura prison Venom experiment nearly kills Bane at first, but he survives and finds the drug vastly increases his physical strength, although he needs to take it every 12 hours (via a system of tubes pumped directly into his brain) or he would suffer debilitating Side effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_(comics)#Video_games
Nolan can use that as room to introduce him, he has reworked the orgins of villians to be linked to other villans before for example originally in the comics Two-face became Two-face because of Sal Maroni poored acid into him but Nolan changed it to The Joker orchestrating the event that leads him to becoming Two-face(and corrupting him).
Just saying.
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I'm not saying that he can't appear in the movie because he's in the game as well. I'm not even saying that i don't want him to appear, there's just other villains which i would much rather have. I've always thought that the Robin Williams as Riddler rumor was pretty awesome, i would really like to see that actually.
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I'm not saying that he can't appear in the movie because he's in the game as well. I'm not even saying that i don't want him to appear, there's just other villains which i would much rather have. I've always thought that the Robin Williams as Riddler rumor was pretty awesome, i would really like to see that actually.
I actaully wanted Riddler originally before I saw the Dark Knight, then after I felt looking at the end I just couldn't see it. I mean he would be a crazed guy wanting to find out who Batman is(which Joker pretty much took the role.) Modern Riddler mostly is a victim of mental issues, and at best isn't too threathening these days(now a detective) it would kinda forced to bring him in at this vital point in the story and would be too fan pandering at best. The whole point of Riddler is that he wants to find out Batman's idenitity and he test his wits, the whole point of modern 'him' is that he knows Batman's true identity and mentally messes him, and is crazed about him and turns men stronger through drugs(the perfect link to Bane's origin)
Another note, if he is in this film, and judging with the Arkham pic relased recently he could maybe get Bane to bust Scarecrow(if he's in there) and they can work together.
Also I hate to say this but Robin Willams may never be in a Batman film. Ever. His luck is kinda bad.
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http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2619202.html
Found a link to a run down on 'Prey' if anybody's interested.
Anybody can see why I said this is the 'ideal blueprint' for this film, that takes place after the ending of the Dark Knight after reading this.Judging from Oldman's comment of what this movie is about: Bruce Wayne and what he discovers about himself.
I'd say it's the perfect story for this film and he meant a story similar to this.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt's role has finally been announced!!
He is cast as The Holiday Killer!
This is of course still not entirely official, but you know how these things work.
I, for one, love the choice. He'll be great in the role, and the inclusion of Alberto Falcone really helps give the trilogy the full circle feel.
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So…the Holiday Killer? Never heard of him. Should I have? Reminds me of Calender Man.
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The only way you're really going to have heard of him is if you've read The Long Halloween, which is the only thing he stars in, I believe.
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The only way you're really going to have heard of him is if you've read The Long Halloween, which is the only thing he stars in, I believe.
Huh…I should find that, then...
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The Holiday Killer??? Man the people who don't know this villian don't know what kind of mind rape their gonna get into! I wish they would of saved Two-face for THIS film! (If the rumor is true). Long Halloween was a great book.(comic)
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I've heard Nolan say that he intends for this to be the end of the new Batman film series and keep the Batman films a trilogy. I must say that I'm glad someone in Hollywood isn't just grubbing for money and actually wants to end his film series.
I doubt DKR will be as good as DK since DK was the best superhero film made so far. But if Nolan is allowed to do his thing and not be interfered with this will probably be a good film.
The problems with Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3 were respectively caused by studio interference and a less competent director. So I think if Nolan and Favreau are allowed to do their own things on Dark Knight Rises and Iron Man 3 those films will be fine.
Except now I'm hearing Favreau isn't going to be on Iron Man 3 which is a bit disconcerting. But this is the DKR discussion.
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…..I don't think he's playing Holiday Killer, neither Gordon or Warner Bros has confirmed such a thing.
Also Batman on film hasn't confirmed it either, and they have more access to legit information than any other site. I mean when the supposed 'rumored' -plot leaks appeared they were confirmed to be real by Batman on film immediately.
I suspect Batman on film knows its just a rumor, and haven't confirmed it similar to the whole Black Mask/Deadshot being the villains rumors. Furthermore, Holiday Killer doesn't fit in this series and where it's at right now not to mention Holiday Killer is not an 'old old old villain' from way back in the comics... that Oldman recently mentioned. I mean the character first appeared in Long Halloween in the late 90's or so, and most of news I've seen mentioning him say 'it just a rumor'. So my logical conclusion is that- Gordon is in the film, but he will be playing someone else and Holiday Killer won't be in this film.
I doubt DKR will be as good as DK since DK was the best superhero film made so far. But if Nolan is allowed to do his thing and not be interfered with this will probably be a good film.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/764036/wally_pfister_on_the_dark_knight_rises_script.html
I think he might surprise you and I don't really see DK as the 'best Superhero film ever' and it's really not an impossible bar to match up to it can it surpassed, with a great story and great actors. What carried the DK was mostly Heath's Joker take aside from that it was mostly just a fun PG-13 Seven like crime film, still a good Batman movie but I personally find Mask of Phantasm to be the better movie.
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Bill, we know you're still holding out for Strange, but seriously, JGL is a perfect cast for The Holiday Killer.
Also, Variety reported that Juno Temple would join the cast which Batman on Film later confirmed.It also makes sense why Catwoman is in since she believed Carmine Falcone to be her father at one point. I think its legit, and trilogy wise, that character is the absolute perfect one to tie everything all together.
He comes to Gotham, angry about what Batman did to his father, he recruits Catwoman and Bane, and moves to take out the Bat and retake Gotham. Hell, in the first act of the movie, we may get the famous Bane breaking Batman back (alliteration ftw!) scene, which would allow for them to retake Gotham, and then Batman And Bruce would both have to rise (hehehe) to the occasion, to save Gotham.
At least, that's how I could see it playing out at base-level.
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Ooooh. I looked up the Holiday Killer. That should be a fun villain to see on screen.
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I agree with Snocone; seems interesting.
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I think Long Halloween was one of the only Batman comics I've read.
This should be interesting.
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The Holiday Killer, huh? That seems awesome, although I can`t really imagine how this is all supposed to work together, Bane, Catwoman, Talia, now this, but without Two-Face. Huh. Btw, someone should totally make an animated movie version of the Long Halloween.
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Bill, we know you're still holding out for Strange, but seriously, JGL is a perfect cast for The Holiday Killer.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118034129
Also, Variety reported that Juno Temple would join the cast which Batman on Film later confirmed.Batman on film has just confirmed it. So Nolan is taking note from Long Halloween? Alright I was wrong, though I still think there's surprise 'final villain' in the shadows judging from Oldman comment.
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That seems awesome, although I can`t really imagine how this is all supposed to work together, Bane, Catwoman, Talia, now this
Dark Knight had plenty of villains, Scarecrow, the mob guy and Sal Maroni, the Joker, that Chinese guy then Two face. They can work if they are at least linked to each other.
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For some reasons, I am more hyped by X men first class than the Dark knight "Rises".
I don't want to hear Bale's voice again and considering his ego he won't change it.
One of my problems with the Dark knight is that its trying too hard to be symbolic. A super hero is more appealing when he has something anticlimatic.
Batman's irony in Return of the Joker was that behind all the serious and intimidating appearance was just a boy crying for mommy and dad. Or in Spiderman 2, a random person says about Spiderman's face "He's just a kid".
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I forget, has Talia been confirmed as a character?
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It's been a long time since I read Long Halloween but isn't the Holiday Killer's identity supposed to be a mystery? Why would you reveal who's playing the killer when the killer, for a long duration of the story, has no face?
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I forget, has Talia been confirmed as a character?
Batman on film confirmed the plot leaks were legit, meaning Talia has been confirmed(somewhat). Also Gary Oldman said this film ties back to Begins so it's safe to assume she's in this film.
It's been a long time since I read Long Halloween but isn't the Holiday Killer's identity supposed to be a mystery? Why would you reveal who's playing the killer when the killer, for a long duration of the story, has no face?
Mr. Hide you just made an insanely good post, you just confirmed my suspicion Nolan is going to take drastic measures on his character and we won't exactly get a 'Holiday Killer' in the same form of Long Halloween.
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@Mr.:
It's been a long time since I read Long Halloween but isn't the Holiday Killer's identity supposed to be a mystery? Why would you reveal who's playing the killer when the killer, for a long duration of the story, has no face?
In Dark Victory The Holiday Killer was confirmed to be Alberto Falcone.
And Alberto being in this ties Rises back to begins, so Talia might not necessarily be in. Also, Nolan has been known for releasing false plot leaks to try and keep what he's doing covered up.
Until I see a casting confirmation for Talia, I'm going to continue assuming she's not in it. Though it would make sense, both her and Falcone could want revenge on Batman.
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If we do get the Bane-Backbreaker, I hope it's towards the middle where there's a big fight, and once his back is broken, that's when they start to take over Gotham. To do it during the beginning would be weird for me.
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lol. Damn.
I don't believe the Robin stuff. Nolan said he never wants to put Robin in his movies.
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I still won't rule it out yet. This new source could be just trying to throw us off later to reveal we were right all along.
Nolan why you gotta be so sneaky.
And why make her a female version of Robin?
Why not just make her Oracle? I mean, Barbara Gordon doesn't have to be Oracle, but I'd rather see that character than any sort of Robin incarnation, be it male or female.
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Why not just make her Batgirl.
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I still won't rule it out yet. This new source could be just trying to throw us off later to reveal we were right all along.
I just don't think Holiday Killer is in this film, Nolan has never done this before. Furthermore I doubt this source would be so desperate to cover a villain that's already been revealed, and also Nolan is very secretive and the legit villain announcements have been through Warner Bros.
Holiday Killer would feel awkward in this film even if he's tied to Selina, or Falcone that as he's more of a 'mystery villain ' that's more of the suspense and strong element in the Long Halloween( since y'know it was mystery story).His inclusion/role would be much borrowing from Long Halloween(something Nolan has avoided) too much. I just don't find him fitting that well and and he wouldn't feel correct somehow.
He's been ruled out officially, in fact Black Mask is a stronger contender since Batman on film mentioned him along with Alberto Falcone being one of the 'two possible villains' Gordon was playing when he was supposedly announced as Alberto Falcone.
Why not just make her Oracle? I mean, Barbara Gordon doesn't have to be Oracle, but I'd rather see that character than any sort of Robin incarnation, be it male or female.
Actually, I would like that a lot, I wish the Joker wasn't in Arkham/prison though.
Why not just make her Batgirl.
That wouldn't end well.
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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Batman-Reboot-Being-Planned-After-Dark-Knight-Rises-23926.html#
Here’s the next step in the evolution of Hollywood’s never-ending circle of creative recycling: Batman is getting a reboot. They’re already planning to start the whole franchise over, even though the next installment in the current incarnation, The Dark Knight Rises, is still filming.
This comes straight from Warner Bros. chief Jeff Robinov who tells the LA Times: “We have the third Batman, but then we’ll have to reinvent Batman… Chris Nolan and [producing partner and wife] Emma Thomas will be producing it, so it will be a conversation with them about what the next phase is.”
The problem for Warners is that they don’t want to stop making Batman movies, they’re too profitable, but Christopher Nolan has already made it clear that he won’t direct another one after he finishes with The Dark Knight. The logical thing to do, would be to bring in someone else to pick up the story where he left off, but odds are without Nolan most of the cast won’t be back and everything about the fourth Batman movie will be completely different from the Nolan series anyway.
Creatively speaking, the right thing to do is probably to simply stop making Batman movies for awhile and let things cool off, but WB isn’t going to do that. Not just because Batman movies make insane amounts of money, but because they’re planning to follow the Marvel movie path and bring their DC superhero characters into a Justice League team-up movie. They’ll need Batman there to anchor that and they’ll probably want some sort of solo Batman movie to tie it all together, even if it ends up being nothing like the Batman we know and love now.
The last time WB tried to pull something like this off, by taking Batman in a new direction after the departure of a successful, franchise director, this is what happened:
I don't think Batman should crossover with other hero's.
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I don't think Batman should crossover with other hero's.
Batman has always crossed over with other heroes (just not in film). He's one of the main heroes in the Justice League, and if they were to make a Justice League film, then, of course Batman would have to be in it.
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Just get Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and Alan Burnett on the reboot. They've proven they know what they're doing for 19 years now.
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Told ya Bill, it was obvious.
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@Badass:
Batman has always crossed over with other heroes (just not in film). He's one of the main heroes in the Justice League, and if they were to make a Justice League film, then, of course Batman would have to be in it.
I get that. Though I am not sure if the audience would even want that I just think it be would feel kinda strange in live-action….. but that's probably just me. Of course seeing WB is going the Marvel route, they might as well do. I like the idea of Batman being a 'lone wolf' in his own universe of films and wouldn't wnat him tagging along with people who is muchfaster, stronger, faster. Also I'm opposed to this whole 'Justice League' film thing I just don't think it would work on film.
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Told ya Bill, it was obvious.
I'm was still right about Nolan staying as producer, anyway I hope they don't do an orgin story again and go a different route and start with Batman older, and wiser and introduce more fanatastical elements into the series.
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I think it'd bring a whole new Dynamic to see Batman interacting live with these other heroes. They've gotta get it right though; 2011-2013 is like the year of the Superhero Movies Climax.
They're doing it with Captain America, look at The Avengers, with Chris Evans, Samuel L. Jackson, Downey Junior, etcetera. They gotta make sure they get the established cast right. You don't want them all played by random choices. They'll probably garner more appeal if they stick with the choices from the independant superhero films like Batman, Flash, Superman, so I reckon Henry Cavill will play Superman in the Justice League film - so they've gotta get a new Bruce Wayne in before it.
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They're doing it with Captain America, look at The Avengers, with Chris Evans, Samuel L. Jackson, Downey Junior, etcetera.
Don't forget Edward Norton!
Wait…
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Who cares. The memorable part of Hulk is the Hulk beast, not Bruce Banner. Switching actors for Banner isn't going to be noticed by anyone. Hulk could be in green mode the entire movie and nobody would complain, particularly when he's just one hero of many.
Also, Norton is apparently incredibly hard to work with.
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Also for the first time, (re Hulk cus we're talking about it now) I heard they're gonna use that Stopmotion technology so Mark Ruffalo will actually be acting out The Hulk which has never been done before for those types of films.
Though IDK if Ruffalo will be in Avengers, all that is sourced is his voice artist.
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so I reckon Henry Cavill will play Superman in the Justice League film - so they've gotta get a new Bruce Wayne in before it.
Don't count on it.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=34168> It doesn’t. Like what Chris Nolan is doing and what I’m doing with Superman, what they’ll do with Justice League will be it’s own thing with it’s own Batman and own Superman. We’ll be over here with our movie and they kinda get to do it twice which is kinda cool’
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@RobbyBevard:
Who cares. The memorable part of Hulk is the Hulk beast, not Bruce Banner. Switching actors for Banner isn't going to be noticed by anyone. Hulk could be in green mode the entire movie and nobody would complain, particularly when he's just one hero of many.
Also, Norton is apparently incredibly hard to work with.
I don't have that big of a problem with it (although the emoticon says otherwise).
But hey, I'd take Norton over the other actor from the previous movie anyday.
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Wow - could we have been MORE wrong?
! * Burn Gorman from Torchwood is also gonna be in this.
- Josh Pence is gonna have a key role in a (30 years back) flashback. He was in Social Network. Heavily rumoured to be a 'young Ra's Al Ghul.'
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Soooo . . . . . they're completely new characters? Or at least characters that aren't generally known?
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Burn Gorman? Oh god! Don't make him have a crying scene, for the love of God!
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It's entirely possible they're just fake placeholder names to throw off spoilers. They did that a lot with Dark Knight as well.
I mean, they advertised "Harvey Dent", and actually did a really good job of NOT spoiling the fact that "Two-Face" was in the movie. The audience generally assumed he'd get acid hit at the end of the film as a cliffhanger tease or something. I know I was surprised when he two-faced during the film instead of the end of it.
And Ra's Al Ghul was promoted as "Ducard" and his fake was promoted as Ra's.
They're admitting to "Selina Kyle" but not to "Catwoman".
So its not beyond them to lie a little in advance to keep the surprises up.
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http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-dark-knight-rises-plot-synopsis-reveals-dr-hugo-strange-is-the-villain
Its not absolutely confirmed, but there is a strong possibilityAnd man is this casting looking more like set-up for 'Prey' each time.
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Miranda is most likely an alias for Talia, with Blake I'll assume he's going to play a Max Cort type of character(who's from Prey).
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Hey is it true that Christian Bale likes anime? I know that he dubbed the male protagonist of Howl's Moving Castle and it says on TV Tropes that he does, but is there any truth to this statement? Because I would like to know.