441: ''Luffy's Back! Iva's Escape Plan Begins!!''
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People who say that this is the worst animated arc ever, trolls or otherwise, have clearly never watched Little Garden.
yep ignore that foo…he's the same guy who called me a noob and told me i dont know anything about one piece when i said ace is dead and he said its never gonna happen lol good times good times
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Now there's a lovely post for the anime forum.
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@Mark:
yep ignore that foo…he's the same guy who called me a noob and told me i dont know anything about one piece when i said
! ace is dead and he said its never gonna happen lol good times good times
Manga things that haven't happened in the Anime yet go in spoilers if you post them in here.
Total Noob.
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Yes this guys is a noob, he just does not want to accept it.
About Little Garden, i think that the animation is better, look at the episode and you will see something different. I don't know if it's because of the Straw hats who are not on the last arcs, but both Amazon Lily and Impel down are really boring to watch, there is a lack of animation and the draws are bad. Just have a look when Iva is speaking, behind him/her, the okamas are not animated at all, this kind of stuff happens too many times (and this is just one example) and i have the feel to watch a crappy animation, which is the case. -
@People:
Yes this guys is a noob, he just does not want to accept it.
About Little Garden, i think that the animation is better, look at the episode and you will see something different.Those are your nostalgia gasses talking.
@People:
I don't know if it's because of the Straw hats who are not on the last arcs,
Then that would have nothing to do with animation.
@People:
but both Amazon Lily and Impel down are really boring
there is a lack of animation and the draws are bad.
"Drawings" or better yet art. And no they're fine. The only bad one to really speak of is the one two episode ago by Deguchi but that's Deguchi.@People:
Just have a look when Iva is speaking, behind him/her, the okamas are not animated at all,
Since when has One Piece ever wasted time and money making characters in the background move? Why is it so important? You're just nitpicking here.
@People:this kind of stuff happens too many times (and this is just one example)
Yeah the entire series.
@People:
and i have the feel to watch a crappy animation, which is the case.
I can't really tell what you're trying to say here? I have the feeling? I hate feeling? Well whatever, you're wrong. The animation and art is pretty good and you need to take those nostalgia glasses of yours off for you to realize that this arc s far from the worst.
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You guys just need to enjoy the anime, its free is it not? Why should you care if its up to date with the latest animation and stuff. Its good enough for me, gets the story told, moves it along, provides some comedy at some points, and is a good anime that I have never even noticed much bad things anyway. Maybe its because I dont read the manga? :-p
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I…would like to watch the anime too...But I'm can't do it, because I'm not able to raise my head from my desk. The animation is usually just so bad. I mean, the characters look too weird.
I dunno what I'm complaining about. I just should stop even trying to watch it.I guess I'm still kinda angry about what they did to Dragon.
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The animation is usually just so bad. I mean, the characters look too weird.
lol
anyways the latest episode was very good in every aspect, except Dragon's face, and people just keep bitching and judging the whole episode because of that.
and "People call me E" I can't believe how stupid you are, just stop trolling already.
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Allright then, the animation and characters both suck (in. my. opinion.)
But there has been some good parts, too. Some scenes have looked better in the anime than in manga.
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great episode, really loved the fast pace, hopefully it will keep up through the coming events
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@Thousand:
@People:
I don't know if it's because of the Straw hats who are not on the last arcs, but both Amazon Lily and Impel down are really boring to watch
@Thousand:
Then that would have nothing to do with animation.
@Thousand:
Since when has One Piece ever wasted time and money making characters in the background move? Why is it so important? You're just nitpicking here.
This. THe straw hats are not here, in clear, there is not A LOT of characters to animate. Even if the anime is usually boring, the straw hats have a correct animation.
So we have Luffy and Iva who have some animation, Mr2 too (really few). Like you said, they don't waste time and money to make a good animation. They don't do their best to have a good animation, thats what i'm pointing. They should do their best to compensate the absence of SH.I also remenber Mr2 Buggy Mr3 and Luffy running during a whole minute without animation at all, only their face were moving, it was epic shit. There are tons of example but i don't want to re-watch these episodes to make a list.
They do this for kids, and kids don't care about this. They dont notice how it fail because they just want to see their weekly episode. But, when i see some comment like "The animation and art is pretty good", "anime is better than manga" I just want to vomit. I can agree that people who don't know the manga can appreciate these episodes because they don't know what is going to happen. Ok. But someone who already know the manga, and says that these episodes are good work, this is just shit.
No need to speak about the one episode= one chapter which is all the problem of this failure. Animation is ok for fights, so i expect to see a good animation during the war. But one episode for one chapter? Chapters with 15/17 pages full of fullspreads? This is gonna be funny really, especially if they are gonna add some 1vs1 fillers.
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@People:
This. THe straw hats are not here, in clear, there is not A LOT of characters to animate. Even if the anime is usually boring,
Ah so you hate the anime as a whole and are biased? Good to know.
@People:
So we have Luffy and Iva who have some animation, Mr2 too (really few). Like you said, they don't waste time and money to make a good animation. They don't do their best to have a good animation, thats what i'm pointing.
Since when do pointless characters in the background need to show movement? The focus isn't on them. It's totally unnecessary. Most 20 episode good budget anime don't waste their time on background characters. And this is something that One Piece has never bothered with at all let alone just recently. It's unfair double standards. You're just trying to find something to bitch about because you can't really keep track of your argument.
@People:
They should do their best to compensate the absence of SH.
You have officially proven you know nothing about the process of allocating animation budgets.This is like saying Oar's cost more of their budget by drawing and animating because he's bigger. Equally retarded.
@People:
I also remenber Mr2 Buggy Mr3 and Luffy running during a whole minute without animation at all, only their face were moving, it was epic shit. There are tons of example but i don't want to re-watch these episodes to make a list.
There are tons of examples throughout the entire damn series with the worst being episode 152. One Piece is a huge series with no end in sight. Studios can't properly allocate their budget so they have to do a balancing act throughout the series. So of course you'll find goofs like that. This is nothing new and has been plaguing the series since its inception.
@People:
They do this for kids, and kids don't care about this. They dont notice how it fail because they just want to see their weekly episode.
Correlation does not equal causality. Prove the link between the two or stfu.
@People:
But, when i see some comment like "The animation and art is pretty good", "anime is better than manga" I just want to vomit.
You're stupid and have no life if that kind of stuff makes you vomit.
@People:
I can agree that people who don't know the manga can appreciate these episodes because they don't know what is going to happen. Ok. But someone who already know the manga, and says that these episodes are good work, this is just shit.
I've read every chapter of the manga and I can say that on the whole and considering the budget limitations and even not considering them, the art and animation is very good. Also what is the shit you're referring to? The entire series? The Impel Down arc? This episode? I wanna see if you even still know what you're talking about anymore and you haven't degenerated to just blindly insult "the animation" as a word without context.
@People:
No need to speak about the one episode= one chapter which is all the problem of this failure.
Erm no, I'm pretty sure this pacing has nothing to do with the animation. Whether they cram in two chapters in one or one to one, they still have 20 minutes to draw and animate.
@People:
Animation is ok for fights, so i expect to see a good animation during the war. But one episode for one chapter? Chapters with 15/17 pages full of fullspreads? This is gonna be funny really, especially if they are gonna add some 1vs1 fillers.
What does this have to do with art and animation? You're going off on random tangents now?
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He clearly has no idea on what he's talking about anymore
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Damn Hancock sucker.
I'm not only talking about art and animation, one chapter = 1 episode give = slow, boring, shit. Especially when there is no fights at all like in Impel down (exept Magellan). So if they keep this during the war, it will fail. But they can't do 1 chapter=1 episode the next arc without adding shitty fillers.
So, if there are 2 chapters in 20 minutes, it will be less slow, less boring, you get it little brat?The shit that i'm referring is the shit that you have in the eyes. Arts and animation in this arc are not good at all. Also, when you have already read the manga, you know what is going to happen so you pay more attention to the animation, how this is animated; than someone who does not read the manga.
Also, One Piece anime is diffused the morning. Target audience are kids. So, they don't really care about the animation, they are young and don't notice it. So they are able to make shitty episodes, One Piece is very popular they are sure to have their audience. Even with these episodes. About the link, you know where you can put it. Feel free to agree or not with this.
I repeat it, it's not like the shit who happen in this arc never happened in the past, but the accumulation of these shits is unusual, this arc is the worst ever made. Period.
And yes, i know nothing about process of allocating animation budgets, but i can easily deduct that when the Straw hats are "on", there is more animation since they all are important characters. Since the SH are not in the current arc, they should compensate it with more animation into secondary characters, or good drawnings, which is not the case.
So now, go back to your fucking new crew menber thread cheering Hancock and stop speaking about something that you d'ont know.
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There's so much irony and ignorance in that that it's starting to leak out of my monitor.
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There's so much irony and ignorance in that that it's starting to leak out of my monitor.
I know,it's hilarious Honestly I'm not even gonna bother replying to it. Ripping it to shreds would make it lose its special charm and I think it's clear enough to the rest of the members that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
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i remember how many people were bitching about "worst animated arc EVER" halfway through Thriller Bark
but hey, little kids are stupid and don't care about animation so it doesn't matter in the end huh?
I hope blanket statements like that keep you warm at night E
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@People:
Even if the anime is usually boring
If you hate the anime that much, then go away and stop posting in the Anime talk back thread. This thread is for people who do like the anime.
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I care about the animation. I want to see good episodes. Even if it sound wrong, i liked this anime years ago. Some episodes are damn good and i love the OP Music. Thriller had the advantage to have the crew, and drawnings were pretty nice, but, it was slow.
I didn't know this section was for people who like the anime. -
This is the section for people to discuss the anime's strengths and shortcomings, not to one-sidedly bash it while not having a good grasp of the material. I'm sorry, but the impression I'm getting from your ''arguments'' is that A) you don't really know the difference between good/bad animation and directing (of which the series has had both), B) you don't like how the Straw Hats aren't here, in which case your beef is with Oda, not the anime directors, and C) you've got one hell of a nostalgia filter.
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D) I don't like how the current arc is "animated". This is my last word, sir.
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oh no you did-IN'T
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The episode was pretty good, some parts were kinda meh. The whole Ivan crashing into a wall (shown in 3 different angles) after realizing Dragon is Luffy's father was kinda weird. Dragon also looked kinda weird, however his VA was spot on. The Luffy remembering Bon-chan coming to break him out of the frozen cell couldn't been done differently. Imo, it would've been better if it was done from Luffy's perspective from that time (all hazy and shit). The Garp flashback was good though. Also, yellow vest. Only Luffy changes his clothes in the middle of a war.
Overall it was a good episode. The art quality might begin to diminish since there might be a little bit of filler here and there, since the anime is now only 36 chapters away from catching up with the manga. The pacing is gonna start to slow down now as well, since I dont think they can cut to filler side stories right now, especially with the Opening depicting Luffy coming to save Ace. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. My only real problem with this episode, if you can even call it a problem, is Ivankov's over the topness (like the aforementioned jumping into the wall). It was just kinda too weird - even for an okama.
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Great episode. But Dragon looked horrible! Besides that though, everything else was good. I can't wait to see Ace fight a bit next week. And hopefully we'll get a bit of Crocodile.
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First time I actually agree with TLC.
People call me E posts doesn't make sense at all. lol
And ID had only 3 really bad episodes, 422, 423, and 435. IMO.
I think it's one of the most consistent Arcs when it comes to Art and Animation, the only negative point about it is, there haven't been anything mind blowing other than the Minotaur's fight, some parts of Magellan's fight and Tate's episode. But I still believe they are saving up for the final few episodes. Not to forget they are going directly to an action oriented arc after ID. -
@People:
Yes this guys is a noob, he just does not want to accept it.
About Little Garden, i think that the animation is better, look at the episode and you will see something different. I don't know if it's because of the Straw hats who are not on the last arcs, but both Amazon Lily and Impel down are really boring to watch, there is a lack of animation and the draws are bad. Just have a look when Iva is speaking, behind him/her, the okamas are not animated at all, this kind of stuff happens too many times (and this is just one example) and i have the feel to watch a crappy animation, which is the case.oh so what if im a noob so what??
at least i admit my mistake unlike you! so what happen to ace will never die and it will never happen huh?? ur not any better than me ur just trolling and bitching about everything
sorry for spoilers everyone lol i didnt mean to do that
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This is the section for people to discuss the anime's strengths and shortcomings, not to one-sidedly bash it while not having a good grasp of the material.
Kind o'an oxymoron, don't ya think? Can't discuss it if you don't allow any opposing views.
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That's why I said ''discuss it's strengths and shortcomings''. I was trying to make the distinction between a constructive and informed debate than something like simply saying that everything sucks and we suck for liking it.
But, whatever. I personally thought that this episode was okay, save for Dragon being handed the ugly stick during the flashback.
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Dragon was ugly in this eps no doubt, but the rest of the eps itself was good, but not great. And that's exactly what a talking episode should have, average animation.
Seriously, people should save their complaining until something important gets bad animation.
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Seriously, people should save their complaining until something important gets bad animation.
We just hope it doesn't happen, really.
Cause from now on till the anime catches the latest chapter, the animation MUST be great.
Well the ep sure was great overall, but the Dragon thing, even if it was less than a min i think, screwed it up. He's an important char, he must be drawn correctly, if it's any no name it's ok, but the guy appeared in less than 10 panels in the manga till now i think. So too just see him is an event. (Sounds like fanboyism ) -
We just hope it doesn't happen, really.
Cause from now on till the anime catches the latest chapter, the animation MUST be great.
Well the ep sure was great overall, but the Dragon thing, even if it was less than a min i think, screwed it up. He's an important char, he must be drawn correctly, if it's any no name it's ok, but the guy appeared in less than 10 panels in the manga till now i think. So too just see him is an event. (Sounds like fanboyism )lol…I suggest you don't raise your hopes so high. And you are kinda asking for the impossible.
About Dragon, that's a bummer. Anyway, hopefully they will make up for it soon enough.
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This thread has done the impossible: I agreed w/ TLC for once. I'm going for my degree in computer animation and I can say that most times the animation in this series is fine. Nothing earth-shattering like some series that are say 13-26 episodes long and handled by a studio with a huge budget, but given that they have to make a long-running, continuing series for an indefinite amount of time with from what I understand a very limited budget, it's more than good enough.
There are weak points and less adept animation directors that flub some parts, but there are also brilliant directors like Tate that bring forth awesome stuff. This episode was fine imo, Dragon looked bad but he was only on screen briefly, and E's complaints are really bad ones. So you want all the background characters of 5.5 to be animated? Just to make up for the fact we don't have 9 main characters to animate? imo that could get very distracting in several parts of this episode with all the crowd shots. Plus it's totally unnecessary to take the extra time into animating more than what's needed to get the point across and make the story as believable as a story about a rubber pirate boy can be. There's a timeframe AND a budget that has to be worked with and to waste time on animating the okamas in all those shots when the animation team could be moving on to another episode later in the rotation or however Toei handles it would just be ridiculous. And Mr. 2 was on the ground most of the episode and didn't need animation. Iva, Inazuma, Luffy, and all the named characters moved damn well enough for me. Maybe they weren't fidgetting in their spare time and stood still when they weren't doing anything, whoopdidoo if they did (I honestly didn't notice, so that should tell you something)
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I think this Episode also nailed down Iva's expressions the best.
As for Inazuma's voice…. I don't like it at all really... I expected something more loose and casual. Now he sounds like a narrator. It would be funny as hell if he narrarates this bit: manga spoiler http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/548/19/
Too bad he would not be able too…
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I think it's one of the most consistent Arcs when it comes to Art and Animation, the only negative point about it is, there haven't been anything mind blowing other than the Minotaur's fight, some parts of Magellan's fight and Tate's episode.
Yeah, that's my take on ID too…there weren't many "whoa!!" moments, but at the same time we didn't have any blatantly bad episode either..like, say, the 2nd half of 385 (shrugs) or most of Masayuki Fujita's works in Thriller Bark.
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If anything, I think the series is doing a fantastic job of animating Iva. That three angle wall-smashing was hilariously awesome XD
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Ratings: 13.0, a new record for the 09:30 timeslot.
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Awesome…I'm very interested to see the ratings of the war arc the most.
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wow dragon looks rly shitty in that episode :blink:
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I'd rather have Dragon look a little weird for like 5 seconds of standing still than this (already posted, but deserves reposting for those complaining):
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I'd rather have Dragon look a little weird for like 5 seconds of standing still than this (already posted, but deserves reposting for those complaining):
don`t remind me of that shit
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That shit is hilarious.
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reverse moonwalk FTW !
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Anyone notice the Buggy-lookalike in the Level 5 cell? Even had the same seiyuu, I'm sure.
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I don't see what all the complaints about the animation are about. For a "2 1/2", I'd say Takagi did a good job. Yeah, Dragon's nose was could've been better, but I would have never even noticed if people weren't pointing it out here. Also, Inazuma's voice was alot deeper than I expected. I was thinking it'd be kind of a "soft" voice.
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Anyone notice the Buggy-lookalike in the Level 5 cell? Even had the same seiyuu, I'm sure.
lol, I noticed it yesterday. At least it confirms that Buggy's nose is not detachable.