:wassat:Ya know,he kinda reminds me of Weegee.
The Future of the Whitebeard pirates
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And I can't imagine Shanks & rest of WB-crew vs. BB, if a fight happens it'll surely be SHC&WB-crew vs. BB. They both have a grudge against BB. No need to explain the reason for that, I think…
Shanks doesn't have a reason for a grudge against BB?
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I didn't say, Shanks had no reason for grudge against BB, but WBC and Luffy definetly have more. And as Shanks said himself in the page you've been linking, he fought several battles and got several wounds. Even if the one he got from BB hurts most, he can't take every wound personal. That's not his character. If he wanted to fight BB, he already would have done it (one more time). He gets older and older, and that doesn't mean stronger. He already bet his arm on the next generation, so he can see his star is sinking. BB on the other hand gets stronger, so why should Shanks want to fight him in the future?
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Ooooohhh, a scar! I'd hunt anyone to the end of the world if they gave me a scar(!)
That's what I wanted to say with my post. Surely, they already had a battle, but why should Shanks hunt him down for a little scratch? Besides, scars are needed in OP, it proofs you're a big shot
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That's what I wanted to say with my post. Surely, they already had a battle, but why should Shanks hunt him down for a little scratch? Besides, scars are needed in OP, it proofs you're a big shot
Have't read the entire thread, so sorry if you answered this already, but I can't agree with your assessment. Shanks said to WB specifically that the scar he received from BB was causing him pain. I doubt he meant physical pain. I think he has some unfinished business with BB.
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@I:
I doubt he meant physical pain. I think he has some unfinished business with BB.
If you understand it that way, it would make sense. But if that was the case, why didn't he do it when he had the chance? In the middle of the war, with WB-pirates and the marines around, it would have been a perfect time for that. Yet he only tried to stop the war, he didn't even mention he wants to fight BB in future.
While he was at WB ship, he just told WB to stop Ace, he didn't say "I have unfinished business with him". That would have been something that could have convinced even WB, yet he didn't say something like that.
That's why I doubt the pain was meant anything else put physical pain. Scars often hurt, even years after, so that would fit. I think it was just to tell the readers that BB ist freakin dangerous.
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If you understand it that way, it would make sense. But if that was the case, why didn't he do it when he had the chance? In the middle of the war, with WB-pirates and the marines around, it would have been a perfect time for that. Yet he only tried to stop the war, he didn't even mention he wants to fight BB in future.
While he was at WB ship, he just told WB to stop Ace, he didn't say "I have unfinished business with him". That would have been something that could have convinced even WB, yet he didn't say something like that.
That's why I doubt the pain was meant anything else put physical pain. Scars often hurt, even years after, so that would fit. I think it was just to tell the readers that BB ist freakin dangerous.
He didn't fight the BB pirates at the war because he was there to stop the war. Shanks has nothing to prove to anyone. He is one of the most mature and reasonable characters introduced, and has been since the beginning, as he proved when he let the incident with the Mtn Bandits go. Had he started fighting the BB pirates, then all the others would have continued to fight as well, making an end to the war impossible, and his desire to attain the bodies of Ace and WB for a proper, respectful burial would have been almost impossible as well.
Further, he was WB's rival at the least–they weren't and, due to circumstances at least, couldn't be friends. Recall that when Shanks borded WBs ship, he used king's haki to show that he was no push-over. In such circumstances, you don't go whining and asking someone to change the way they are handling two of their subordinates because you have unfinished business with him. What on earth does that have to do with WB? Why should he care? He owes Shanks nothing, as far as we know, except perhaps respect--just as Shanks owed that to him. (That level of respect was why he used the King's Haki BTW–it showed how seriously he took WB and his crew.)
All he could do was say that even he, a fellow strong yonkou, had unfinished business with BB, which is a relatively clear, if indirect, way of saying that Ace would be out of his league in chasing BB. Things often need to be indirect in very delicate conversations like that.
Shanks in no way shape or form had the right to ask anything of WB regarding these two men--they were WBs crew members--not Shanks business. He asked because he met Ace and because of Ace's connection to Luffy. He had no reason to expect compliance, and he had to offer his advice and reasoning indirectly or risk offending WB. WB recognized that, and took what he said as he meant it, IMHO.
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@I:
Have't read the entire thread, so sorry if you answered this already, but I can't agree with your assessment. Shanks said to WB specifically that the scar he received from BB was causing him pain. I doubt he meant physical pain. I think he has some unfinished business with BB.
I think Shanks was referring to the fact that BB is dangerous for Ace and asks him to stop Ace (Maybe Shanks already knew Ace was Rogers son), which is why he tells WB that that specific scar is hurting him the most at the moment.
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Shanks wanted 1 or 2 outcomes. Either Whitebeard tell Ace to withdrawl and leave Teach alone. Or Whitebeard should go and kill Teach personally
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I think Shanks was referring to the fact that BB is dangerous for Ace and asks him to stop Ace (Maybe Shanks already knew Ace was Rogers son), which is why he tells WB that that specific scar is hurting him the most at the moment.
Yup–see my post above. I do on fact think that was what he was doing.
Shanks wanted 1 or 2 outcomes. Either Whitebeard tell Ace to withdrawl and leave Teach alone. Or Whitebeard should go and kill Teach personally
Yup–this too. Shanks was not asking WB to leave Teach alone so he could get him for himself.
Good additions to the conversation, thank you, both of you.
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@I:
you don't go whining and asking someone to change the way they are handling two of their subordinates because you have unfinished business with him. What on earth does that have to do with WB? Why should he care? He owes Shanks nothing, as far as we know, except perhaps respect–just as Shanks owed that to him. (That level of respect was why he used the King's Haki BTW–it showed how seriously he took WB and his crew.)
They both respected each other as rivals, so Shanks telling WB he wants to finish BB himself would be no whining, it would be a matter of pride. Of course, they haven't been friends but rivals. Of course, WB doesn't owe Shanks anything. But if a honored rival tells to not interfere, 'cause it is his business, WB surely would understand.
@I:
All he could do was say that even he, a fellow strong yonkou, had unfinished business with BB, which is a relatively clear, if indirect, way of saying that Ace would be out of his league in chasing BB. Things often need to be indirect in very delicate conversations like that.
Possible. But I still interpretate this as nothing more but "He's too strong for Ace". I really can't see "unfinished business" in the words or the way Shanks spoke to WB. If Shanks tells, that even a yonkou was hurt by BB, then WB should not sacrifice another son.
@I:
Shanks in no way shape or form had the right to ask anything of WB regarding these two men–they were WBs crew members--not Shanks business. He asked because he met Ace and because of Ace's connection to Luffy. He had no reason to expect compliance, and he had to offer his advice and reasoning indirectly or risk offending WB. WB recognized that, and took what he said as he meant it, IMHO.
Shanks surely knew that Ace was GR's son and also that he was Luffy's brother. He just wanted him not to die, because of these two facts. He didn't want to but in personal, all he wanted was to rescue Ace from sacrificing himself, IMHO.
Whatever, we seem to have different points of view. But I respect what you are thinking, 'cause both of us could be right. We'll get the answer later. If Shanks does have unfinished business with BB, he'll show us a fight, or at least the beginning / outcome. But I don't think that'll happen.
I think Shanks was referring to the fact that BB is dangerous for Ace and asks him to stop Ace (Maybe Shanks already knew Ace was Rogers son), which is why he tells WB that that specific scar is hurting him the most at the moment.
Sure he did know, Ace was no match for BB, he fought him already. But that doesn't answer the question wheter he has unfinished business with him or not. It just tells "I fought with him already, Ace won't stand a chance".
@kagehisa:Or Whitebeard should go and kill Teach personally
Shanks had personal grudge against BB and would want WB to do the dirty job himself? That would be running away like a coward, he he would not say something like that to a man he respects that much. The fact that Shanks used his haki on WB's ship proofes nothing but his respect to him.
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BB probably didn't think it was time to face Shanks yet because Shanks wasn't near death, which is how he likes his yonkou since he's a damn cheater.
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@Mr.:
BB probably didn't think it was time to face Shanks yet because Shanks wasn't near death, which is how he likes his yonkou since he's a damn cheater.
Moreso - they were in the middle of Marineford - Surrounded by the Shichi's Marines and Admirals - Garp and Sengoku. Does this strike you as the best place to settle a battle, they made the best option - Allow both sides an excuse to retreat and care for wounded.
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Just wanted to say, It's been a year since this thread was made.
And i bet Marco will take over.
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@S.C.:
I wonder what Kaido did during the time skip? He tried to attack them earlier, and now that WB's dead, he has a better chance of getting whatever he thinks he can get from their destruction.
Maybe it's a simple question of influence and territories. With WB dead, maybe he doesn't even need to destroy the crew.
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Wonder if the current Whitebeard pirates are strong enough to hold any territory at all?
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Wonder if the current Whitebeard pirates are strong enough to hold any territory at all?
Considering it was implied that WB didn't get involved in most fights personally he left his "sons" do most of it. I think they're more then strong enough to hold the territory important to them.
What they do for a figurehead is the issue - I believe that Ace being made to be the replacement for WB.
Marco isn't a weakling - but is he popular enough to hold the crews together
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Yeah but i would think that one of the reasons that his sons were able to throw their weight around no matter where they went was because they always had the trumph card of touch me and Whitebeard will annihilate you to play.
And if we assume this to be true then it would probably make the reach of their empire alot shorter, since they as a group would have to be near it to actualy physicaly defend it.
And since they've lost their strongest member both in rep and power by far they would probably get pushed out of the really high stakes territories in the new world and being forced back into some less sought after corner. Especialy seeing as how there is a generation shift going on, and i don't see anybody new wanting to jump on the losing side. So not only are the WB pirates on a down turn but Kaidou and Big mom are probably only growing stronger.
Or maybe you're right and i'm just underestimating the commanders.
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Yeah but i would think that one of the reasons that his sons were able to throw their weight around no matter where they went was because they always had the trumph card of touch me and Whitebeard will annihilate you to play.
Also the comraderie - mess with 1 WB pirate mess with them all - I can't imagine other then Admiral - Schichi's or Yonku there would be little to warrant WB personally getting involved.
And if we assume this to be true then it would probably make the reach of their empire alot shorter, since they as a group would have to be near it to actualy physicaly defend it.
Actually that would be believable - no doubt there was some give and take as they fought off other pirates out there vying to take advantage of the dissruption of power.
And since they've lost their strongest member both in rep and power by far they would probably get pushed out of the really high stakes territories in the new world and being forced back into some less sought after corner. Especialy seeing as how there is a generation shift going on, and i don't see anybody new wanting to jump on the losing side. So not only are the WB pirates on a down line but Kaidou, Shanks and Big mom are probably only growing stronger.
Agree with this actually - it's a nice sum up.
Or maybe you're right and i'm just underestimating the commanders.
I think they're powerful enough to stay active in the new world - but how close they all are or if they split into allies rather then a solid group is to be seen.
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Well warranted or not, Whitebeard has supposedly beaten up alot of bums in the past. The jails and bars seem to be full of em.
But yeah the WB pirates aren't gonna be run out of the new world or anything like that.
But since they're far to proud to ask for Shanks protection/alliance i'd imagine that the Whitebeard empire is done for.
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Kaidou probably laughed his ass off hearing that Marco replaced Whitebeard…
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@S.C.:
I wonder what Kaido did during the time skip? He tried to attack them earlier, and now that WB's dead, he has a better chance of getting whatever he thinks he can get from their destruction.
I'd imagine he just wanted the opportunity to kill WB himself. Wouldn't have to fight WB if he wanted something. Win or loose WB would be in no condition after a war to stop Kaidou from taking something if the he wanted it that badly.
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I'd imagine he just wanted the opportunity to kill WB himself. Wouldn't have to fight WB if he wanted something. Win or loose WB would be in no condition after a war to stop Kaidou from taking something if the he wanted it that badly.
Where are you getting this?
As far as I am aware - Shanks has Fought Kaidou and WB during the manga
And Moriah went up against Kaidou and lost a lot - but then again Moriah is not someone we're meant to feel sorry for - his a crap 1 shot character whose crewmates were more interesting then him. -
If the total crew member is 8000, I know who will be their next captain.
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Where are you getting this?
As far as I am aware - Shanks has Fought Kaidou and WB during the manga
And Moriah went up against Kaidou and lost a lot - but then again Moriah is not someone we're meant to feel sorry for - his a crap 1 shot character whose crewmates were more interesting then him.What?
Make some sense please.
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another thing is Whitebeard was arival to Roger.He was a younkou that was part of the past generation and probrably started being called an emperour of the sea first
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@RPG:
another thing is Whitebeard was arival to Roger.He was a younkou that was part of the past generation and probrably started being called an emperour of the sea first
Fisher Tiger? Gold Lion?
The statement of WB, that there aren't many guys knowing the sea of "that time", doesn't mean anything but they are gone now. GR startet the great pirate age, yet he fought WB when he was still alive. GL couldn't believe GR got captured and therefor rampaged at Marine HQ. He was really strong that time… WB beeing the first emperor is possible, but not sure. Kaidou's age is completly unknown, so he might have been one of the as well. In my opinion, GR became PK, and the four pirates nearest to his level got called yonkou, so there might have been 4 from the beginning on. My guess is WB, Kaidou, FT and GL...
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Fisher Tiger? Gold Lion?
The statement of WB, that there aren't many guys knowing the sea of "that time", doesn't mean anything but they are gone now. GR startet the great pirate age, yet he fought WB when he was still alive. GL couldn't believe GR got captured and therefor rampaged at Marine HQ. He was really strong that time… WB beeing the first emperor is possible, but not sure. Kaidou's age is completly unknown, so he might have been one of the as well. In my opinion, GR became PK, and the four pirates nearest to his level got called yonkou, so there might have been 4 from the beginning on. My guess is WB, Kaidou, FT and GL...
Who says that there had to be four emperors during Roger's time? I doubt Fisher Tiger made a name for himself when Roger was alive, seeing as how he rampaged at Marejois and formed the sunny pirates 7 years after Roger was executed. It was probably just Roger, Whitebeard, and Shiki.
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Kaidou should be from the Shanks-Crocodile's generation. "Methinks"
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^Yep. That fits with how he was a rival (I guess?) of Moria, who definitely is of that generation. I'd like for Kaidou and Big Mam to be of the "Great Pirate Age". We've already got so many old-timer badasses - Whitebeard, Roger, Shiki, probably Tiger. The two remaining Emperors, along with Shanks, ought to be the greatest that the Golden Age has produced and not even more remnants from the older era.
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What?
Make some sense please.
Holy crap I wrote that only yesterday and I don't even know what I was trying to say :blink:
Yeah I got nothing - fricken hell I gotta stop posting things when I am busy at work - too much going on makes me unable to enunciate my thoughts.
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@Mr.:
Who says that there had to be four emperors during Roger's time? I doubt Fisher Tiger made a name for himself when Roger was alive, seeing as how he rampaged at Marejois and formed the sunny pirates 7 years after Roger was executed. It was probably just Roger, Whitebeard, and Shiki.
Nobody said, there must have been 4, I only said it's possible.
It was just an answer to "WB was the first yonkou".
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We'll get the answer later. If Shanks does have unfinished business with BB, he'll show us a fight, or at least the beginning / outcome. But I don't think that'll happen.
My prediction is that he is going to kill Shanks eventually.
On the topic of the WBC, I think a good amount of them will split off but the most notable ones will stick with marco. Perhaps all of the no-name scrubs will get removed and they will have a smaller crew of mostly just the commanders?
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My prediction is that he is going to kill Shanks eventually.
On the topic of the WBC, I think a good amount of them will split off but the most notable ones will stick with marco. Perhaps all of the no-name scrubs will get removed and they will have a smaller crew of mostly just the commanders?
*I agree with you that Shanks will probably be killed by BB but I just don't want to think about it that much, it would be so sad :(
*I voted for split up, cause I thought everyone would just go their own way, I mean find their own crew and such, like probably was before they joined the Whitebeard crew… but than again maybe not as much sense in that as what you're saying... I mean why not keep a strong crew!? :ninja: -
Well, as long as we still dont know anything about whitebeard pirates after timeskip, this thread isnt dead right?
Even through i have clear answer in my head about poll question (and i think there were many people who didn't understand what kind of people whitebeard pirates were) i'd still like to discuss it: are they disbanded or still together? If later, who is captain?
And.. now we know that teach is yonko, ive never thought that wbs would maintain their title anyway, but where are they and what are they doing or planning? This is the topic im interested in/wanna discuss most :happy:
and I'm sure they will play huge role near the end of series, but will we see them before it?No one cares about/interested in them? :ermm:
P.s. I've read all posts and.. i never thought marco would be hated so much, what did he do wrong? :blink:
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I'd say they're retired as a crew living on the Island Whitebeard & Ace are buried at, protecting their graves.
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Solid 2 and a half year thread bump. Goodjob
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It's still relevant, at least.
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They will track down Blackbeard pirates, asking for vengeance, but most of them will die. BB will kill Marco and take his DF power for himself. Shiliew will kill Vista, someone else will kill Jozu and then BB will take Jozu's DF power and give it to Shiliew. The others will be killed or badly beaten.
..not a bright future for the WB pirates
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maybe Marco will join Shanks now?
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They will track down Blackbeard pirates, asking for vengeance, both most of them will die. BB will kill Marco and take his DF power for himself. Shiliew will kill Vista, someone else will kill Jozu and then BB will take Jozu's DF power and give it to Shiliew. The others will be killed or badly beaten.
..not a bright future for the WB pirates
This is basically what I expect to happen, then again death in One Piece is so rare that I'm not even sure if Oda would be willing to kill off Marco and/or Jozu.
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yea they won't die, prolly have their DFs taken away…which means they'll strictly be Haki users now meaning can join Shanks? :o I so want this to happen!
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Whitebeard pirates are a family.
I don't think they could have disbanded easily OR forgot about what Blackbeard did and are willing to forgive.
It's too simple and not Oda style.
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They will track down Blackbeard pirates, asking for vengeance, both most of them will die. BB will kill Marco and take his DF power for himself. Shiliew will kill Vista, someone else will kill Jozu and then BB will take Jozu's DF power and give it to Shiliew. The others will be killed or badly beaten.
..not a bright future for the WB pirates
dont forget that everyone tried to stop ace, when he was going after teach, even when he wasnt that strong and didnt have gura gura. so they arent that reckless to have attacked him as they are now. though, it could have been opposite, blackbeard attacking them because of their fruits
but maybe they are too important to die?
@Buggy:
yea they won't die, prolly have their DFs taken away…which means they'll strictly be Haki users now meaning can join Shanks? :o I so want this to happen!
i doubt that blackbeards know how to remove devil fruit without killing its user
doubt joining shanks, but i can see them as akagami's alliesWhitebeard pirates are a family.
I don't think they could have disbanded easily OR forgot about what Blackbeard did and are willing to forgive.
It's too simple and not Oda style.
Probably the pirates of the alliance went their own way but Marco, Jozu and Vista are still together somehow.agree. and if they've disbanded they would be easy targets too
i just asked this cause it was original poll questionim more interested in what will they do, i thought that they would be luffy's allies when he will fight against teach, and now they are getting ready slowly for it, for revenge
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@mary:
P.s. I've read all posts and.. i never thought marco would be hated so much, what did he do wrong? :blink:
Guess people expected him to do something in the war… which he didn't. And the fact that he still has a strong fanbase makes people even angrier!
Anyway I believe that they're staying together and Marco or other commander is the new captain! They are a family after all; why would they disband?
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I'd say they're retired as a crew living on the Island Whitebeard & Ace are buried at, protecting their graves.
Whitebeard pirates are a family.
I don't think they could have disbanded easily OR forgot about what Blackbeard did and are willing to forgive.
It's too simple and not Oda style.
Probably the pirates of the alliance went their own way but Marco, Jozu and Vista are still together somehow.Jozu is almost certainly dead (Shiliew).
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@Light:
Guess people expected him to do something in the war… which he didn't. And the fact that he still has a strong fanbase makes people even angrier!
but it wasnt his fault, he just got careless and distractded :s
and it wasnt like, he didnt do anything when he could use his powers
and in character, personality is important too, not only powers and fighting