@herre:
Subjectivity is there to back up objectivity.
WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN.
Jinbei has a personality, but it's very single-directory, that's what I said. Guilt, worry, and respect are behaviors; his personality is still that of very serious and rather one-sided. Every other sentence he blurts out ends with "…even if I die" and he has no real quirks. That's not crew material, imo.
A straight noble personality is easy to make work by it's interaction with the other on board the crew by clashing with them. I don't think he'll joing to begin with, but his possibility factor is higher by thousands then the likes of Margierette.
Ok, so here's my rebuttal: First of all, this is a comic we're talking about. It is not real life, so the Occam's razor we can just cast aside.
No no no no no no a million times no.
You have no idea how storytelling works.
THIS ISN"T BOHBOBOHBOH. One Piece follows internal logic and sense in how it develops and how things work.
It isn't literary anarchy. It follows dramatic structure, super closely even.
There is no anarchy factor. There most certainly fucking is an Occams Razor to be applied here, not understanding this is why you have routinely made terrible theories.
An author drives this series the way he wants to, and he decides how the story goes down,
You know what? Let me use Oda's own goddamn words.
"It's like tetris"
If you think it's anarchy you couldn't be farther from the truth.
I mean fucking what? Do you think Oda just throws darts at a pie chart to see what his next plot and character is? You don't think he considered feasability and how it works? Wether it makes sense?
It baffles me really, that you people aren't Naruto fans, or Shaman King fans.
The reason One Piece is so superior to those other shonen failures is how it rides that internal logic so beautifully and doesn't just toss random darts at boards.
It's too good for you to even appreciate apparently.
A series that always goes with the simple solution will be predictable, boring to read and eventually a big failure.
Oh for….
The Occam's razor is for US. Not for Oda.
This latest arc of One Piece has clearly shown us that Oda gladly chooses the difficult path when necessary and he's done it very often in the past as well.
You're talking to someone who was sure Whitebeard and Ace would die. WB was so heavily alluded to and obvious it wasn't even funny, his very character was a giant walking "I NEED TO BE REMOVED".
And you know what? Who cared. No one. Because dodging expectations doesn't mean shit next to execution.
I knew WB would die, and did that make me unexcited? Hell no. It made me salivate to see how it would go down.
When Robin joined, that went to show us that the crew members aren't always the obvious ones either. There are, while so far uniquely, exceptions.
I listed numerous reasons to expect Robin's character to be a possible joinee, and also why she would definitely be one to reoccur in my rebuttal to that nobody's post. She was less likely then some other candidates. But there's a stark difference to what we got with her, and bit pieces of wallpaper like Perona and Margriette.
Sending Perona back to Moria would end up making her return perfectly useless and Zoro could've just as well ended up on a random island like everyone else,
Not useless, as she provides both a bit of screentime for her disturbingly large fanbase, and gives Zoro a comedic foil in his personal side story goings on. Those are purposes, and they make full sense. There is no reason to cast them aside with no other motivations present.
As for literary sense, you don't just re-raise a subject to have it end where the first one started
You mean like Wapol starting an evil despot and ending an evil despot?
You mean like that cover story? Perona isn't even the fucking focus of the cover story, what happeneds to her doesn't matter, she isn't the one providing the plot movement there from A to B, she's just on the sidelines pushign it along and providing distraction.
Do I really need to tell you who has the focus there? Who is the one who is getting from A to B? It frightens me how it could go over your head.
Then she could've just stayed in Thriller Bark to begin with instead of having Kuma send her off in the first place, even less have her come back into the main plot. Just because a character says one thing, doesn't mean that has to happen. Think outside the god-damn box!
Tell me the significance of Jango coming back to the main plot.
Thinking outside the goddamn box is not referring to your "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks, and ignore basic evidence and clear trends in the story", that's not inspired thinking, it's just idiocy. And it will never produce the goal you want, which is to be right for once.
"Join Law" was just a suggestion for one of many ways the issue above could be resolved without having her join Luffy. Why would you even pay attention to such a small and inadequate detail if you think it's irrelevant?
Precisely because, even in it's small nothingness, you ranked it above the direct stated goal of the character. That's what made it so stupid.
Nobody suggested a 360˚ turn. Being spoiled is just another character trait that isn't necessary evil. Nami's not a saint either, with her greedy and sometimes spoiled habits. Yes, Perona cowardly fled with her tail between her legs once, but that ended up making her lonely, and she knows that now. Suggesting that just a small change could possibly occur isn't necessarily a 360˚.
Nami has pros as well. Perona has exactly what to bring a crowd? Navigation skills? Is she mostly clear headed? Can she be the de-facto captain? Can she take care of and track funds and other needs of the ship and party?
Nami does these things and even when it was three of them on rowboats was doing these things. Nami is in some sense the most important member of the crew aside from Luffy. She's the rock of the whole thing.
So don't even start comparing her to Perona who brings only cons.
Finally, all my theory revolves around is that Perona will meet the Straw Hats again.
The Strawhats are going to reunite. Then head to Fishman Island. That's the basic directory here. So unless Luffy swings by the haunted island with the rest to pick up Zoro, there is not Perona meeting that will happened. And there's no way she will be at Fishman Island or the New World. So either it happened then, or not.
I suppose Moria might show up with her alongside him at some point but that's all I can see.
And none of this in any way means she will have any meaningful interaction with them, and sure as shit gives no reasons or hints for her joining them.
What happens then is beyond my speculation. Even though I would gladly want to see her join, I still lack good arguments for that part and the plot hasn't advanced that far yet, but I just think she has a chance to join. A chance, pay attention to the word, as it is not definitely.
Chance based on…...???
Don't go into any field involving taking risks. For your own sake.
For now, if she even leaves Kuragaina together with Zoro,
Why would this happened. And Zoro of all people.
my current speculation will be complete and that's not too farfetched at all, imo. I'm not trying to do any crappy guess work just to be able to brag about it in the end. Since I see it as clear that Perona will go to Shabondy with Zoro, why would I?
Yeah! Why would you! Being as there is no reason on earth for her to do so!
We have a difference in opinion, hence I'm a vanguard of junk science… Way to handle a discussion.
I'm glad that the point of my rant came out as "you disagree with me so you suck" because that's exactly what I was saying.
How about a response that doesn't accuse me of being mentally retarded or insane or some laboratory experiment or whatever?
Ok, I gave one about you being lazy, thrill seeking in your speculation, and stubbornly incapable of doing the basic work involved in thinking about what you're saying. How about that one?
We already knew Jango was in the marines, so his return was obligatory. It would've been a consistency error if he hadn't returned.
Y'know nevermind, you are mentally retarded.
You're saying Perona's disappearance shouldn't have been resolved at all? Good story telling by Oda that would've been.
So then you're saying that the only reason for her to reappear was to tie up that loose end, and that's all we need for seeing her again?
Y'know….y'know...I don't even know anymore.
Except you really need to stop getting pissy about me calling the spade a spade, because there's a mod here who really has two shits to give about it, so don't even waste my time with it.