Trust me..when she finds out he's leaving..she's going to crash HARD…
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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Too much reading about Hancock and stuff, so I skipped everything… Noticed my "username" up there several times, skipped all that too.
Latest chapter:
--I just want to say that an elephant is on the cover page, again...
--And, finally we get to see Luffy's childhood.As far as who joins or doesn't join:
--Nothing new to work with.
--Nothing old to remove.
--It seems pretty fixed that someone will take Luffy to SA: hoping it is Law, since he still needs to get his ship recoated again, no? Jinbei ought to be on that ship too, so this should allow Jinbei to have a clear way to travel with Luffy to Fishman Island.I have to say that Jinbei has a lot more chance to join, since his path to the ship has become pretty much definite.
Disappointing things are that nothing new is shown, like Moria and so on. I really wanted to see how the pirates left and the ending ended up happening, but Oda won't show it all at all. I guess we'll see the results after wards. It seems that Luffy will just eat, and probably head off, unless he does the mythical "training" portion of this possible outcome. If he does train, it will probably be the Kuja who take him, although that's a waste...
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for the WB pirates coming near the end to protect fishman Island. It just works for me, they weren't very impressive in the war imo, and no way they will just let their pop's reputation be ruined like that. I believe they will continue his legacy and protect what Whitebeard himself stood for. This can be done by Shanks as well with the whole mutal respect, or it could be done by Squad's crew. He does have to repay WB somehow… why not be this?
Well, in a case of Jinbei joining, I think that solution to FI would be kinda weak. The way I see, the WB pirates appearing would make any effort from the Strawhats null, and the debt of Jinbei would be towards the WB pirates, not Luffy.
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Trust me..when she finds out he's leaving..she's going to crash HARD…
She might be the "boss character" to sail with them.. or stay behind because Luffy asks her to or something that came up (massive marine fleet incoming), then chase after him again lateron.
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She might be the "boss character" to sail with them.. or stay behind because Luffy asks her to or something that came up (massive marine fleet incoming), then chase after him again lateron.
lets look at our past Hancock in how she responds to Luffy. She has lots of times misinterprited what he said. Imagaine him telling her "NOT to come with"
sounds to me like he just dumped her. now how would she take taht
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She might be the "boss character" to sail with them.. or stay behind because Luffy asks her to or something that came up (massive marine fleet incoming), then chase after him again lateron.
Stop wasting time in the forum and get that 582 recap ASAP!
(Just joking)
The only solution I see for Hancock not going after Luffy is if Luffy makes some promise to her. Like "I'll return for you when I become Pirate King".
lets look at our past Hancock in how she responds to Luffy. She has lots of times misinterprited what he said. Imagaine him telling her "NOT to come with"
sounds to me like he just dumped her. now how would she take taht
"Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman"?
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She might be the "boss character" to sail with them.. or stay behind because Luffy asks her to or something that came up (massive marine fleet incoming), then chase after him again lateron.
I could see him telling her he would return, but at this stage, it might not be enough.
But we never know..
Deicide: Yes..that be quite the plot twist if Hancock somehow started hating him.
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Stop wasting time in the forum and get that 582 recap ASAP!
(Just joking)
The only solution I see for Hancock not going after Luffy is if Luffy makes some promise to her. Like "I'll return for you when I become Pirate King".
Yes, that is really the only logical way to let her go. But really, the strawhats have done that with allot of people (IIRC), so I don't think it's that farfetched for luffy to do that to her.
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Well, in a case of Jinbei joining, I think that solution to FI would be kinda weak. The way I see, the WB pirates appearing would make any effort from the Strawhats null, and the debt of Jinbei would be towards the WB pirates, not Luffy.
Thats not what im trying to say. Errr how can I put it…
The whole fishman island arc will be focused on the SH's and Jinbei. After its all done, Jinbei thanks for all his help etc and Luffy says np blah blah. Then Jinbei obviously still has the worry of fishman Island being attacked again, this is when I think perhaps WB pirates / Squad (not shanks, I just realised he can't really meet luffy yet) will come and say they will fight anyone who goes against their pops. This way Jinbei doesn't have to worry about fishman island and go on with Luffy with now.
At this point I'd imagine Jinbei not only just think about his promise, but perhaps says to himself that he himself wants to go with Luffy. Truly admires / respects him etc. What do you think?
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Well, she's worried, but look at her reaction upon hearing Luffy woke up. Plus, she's putting Luffy above the laws of her people, which Nyon clearly points out.
She was doing that before Luffy arrived. Remember how she wouldn't answer the call of the government and was about to lose her title before Luffy came into the picture? Her people want Luffy there, they all seem to adore him, not much of a law to break.
Nyon would definitely make a better leader though.
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She was doing that before Luffy arrived. Remember how she wouldn't answer the call of the government and was about to lose her title before Luffy came into the picture?
what point are you proving?
that isn't going against amazon's laws. there is no law about being a shichibukai and respecting WG wishes.
Your example is only showing that Hancock isn't against losing her title and having the treaty revocked
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She was doing that before Luffy arrived. Remember how she wouldn't answer the call of the government and was about to lose her title before Luffy came into the picture?
But that's not a Law of the Island. She's now breaking the laws for Luffy. When she refused to go to war, she made a personal decision that threatened the country, but wasn't against the country's laws.
Thats not what im trying to say. Errr how can I put it…
The whole fishman island arc will be focused on the SH's and Jinbei. After its all done, Jinbei thanks for all his help etc and Luffy says np blah blah. Then Jinbei obviously still has the worry of fishman Island being attacked again, this is when I think perhaps WB pirates / Squad (not shanks, I just realised he can't really meet luffy yet) will come and say they will fight anyone who goes against their pops. This way Jinbei doesn't have to worry about fishman island and go on with Luffy with now.
At this point I'd imagine Jinbei not only just think about his promise, but perhaps says to himself that he himself wants to go with Luffy. Truly admires / respects him etc. What do you think?
It still feels weird, like… if Luffy and co had not been there, the end (WB pirates appearing and protecting the island) would still be the same.
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Her people want Luffy there, they all seem to adore him, not much of a law to break.
doesn't matter if they like luffy or not, its still a rule.
but its not about LUffy they are mentioning. Law and his whole crew are there and also Jimbei. They are on the island, regardless of being secluded to just the bay. Its still against the islands rules.
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doesn't matter if they like luffy or not, its still a rule.
but its not about LUffy they are mentioning. Law and his whole crew are there and also Jimbei. They are on the island, regardless of being secluded to just the bay. Its still against the islands rules.
Also, Nyon reminds Hancock that, as empress, she needs to follow protocol. If she goes to see Luffy, she's giving the kuja a bad example. Hancock's reply? She doesn't care.
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Uh, so basically the Amazon Laws mean more than their survival? I understand, wait, what? Nyon did the same bickering act with Hancock before Luffy showed up, and Hancock didn't care then either, and that was about the survival of her people.
She's a spoiled empress who gets everything she wants because of her beauty, that's the way Oda has depicted her. Her ignoring the what people say is apart of her character before Luffy arrived. Her whole line of "you'll forgive me because I'm beautiful" fits into breaking a law because she feels like it, who's going to reprimand her for it? Nyon? The exiled ex-empress? It doesn't have to be about her "sickness" at all, and the not eating portion could just be her being worried about Luffy. You know, when you`re in love and someones hurt, it's pretty tough to have an appetite.
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It still feels weird, like… if Luffy and co had not been there, the end (WB pirates appearing and protecting the island) would still be the same.
Well yeah I agree with you, its just my theory in why Jinbei will be willing to leave Fishman Island. The importance of that will be the character interaction between Jinbei and Luffy during that arc, and Jinbei can see that Luffy is truly very admirable etc and thats why he offers his services (put his life infront of Luffy's? Heard that one before ) to Luffy and asks if he can join. The WB pirates bit is just so Jinbei doesn't have to worry about fishman island. Only reason I included them tbh. But my main point is Jinbei will see Luffy's true side and how he cares about everyone, including fishmans etc
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Uh, so basically the Amazon Laws mean more than their survival? I understand, wait, what? Nyon did the same bickering act with Hancock before Luffy showed up, and Hancock didn't care then either, and that was about the survival of her people.
She's a spoiled empress who gets everything she wants because of her beauty, that's the way Oda has depicted her. Her ignoring the what people say is apart of her character before Luffy arrived. Her whole line of "you'll forgive me because I'm beautiful" fits into breaking a law because she feels like it, who's going to reprimand her for it? Nyon? The exiled ex-empress? It doesn't have to be about her "sickness" at all, and the not eating portion could just be her being worried about Luffy. You know, when you`re in love and someones hurt, it's pretty tough to have an appetite.
what does the bolded mean? The only law being broke is men on the island. The few men on the island aren't protecting amazon lily in any way.
as for the rest of your post, what is your conclusion then. Sound like your saying Hancock doesn't give a shit about anyone, or what anyone says and will do what she wants. So then wouldn't that lead to her going WITH Luffy?
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She's not ill right now. She's been hardly eating because she is worried about Luffy. Just like everyone is worried for him. I'm not going to say it's a normal reaction, but not eating is a fairly common reaction to something like this. The love sickness thing should have been played out long ago. The most important line about the love sickness was this, "The former empresses suppressed these emotions… until their bodies gave out." Hancock is n
yot suppressing those emotions at all. She went with Luffy, she said she could die happy, she thinks she is married to him, and yet she was perfectly fine without him in both this chapter and the chapters prior before Luffy arrived at Marineford. The only thing we saw from her was expressed concern and worry because Luffy was doing something insanely dangerous or was on the verge of death. Oh, and apparently she hasn't been eating very well by their standards.You passed over the dialogue with Nyon this chapter didn't you?… She explicitly said Hancock's "virus" illness is still there and it was in response to her behavior with the food as well as her shunning her duties as an empress to uphold tradition. As far as they are concerned she still is very ill. That brings up one other thing... how do you know she was physically ill just because of Luffy's condition? Couldn't she also be physically ill because she couldn't even SEE him to know whether he is ok or not when she knows he is possibly on his death bed? I'd also be deathly ill if a loved one of mine was possibly dieing and some stupid traditions left me stranded from even seeing said person possibly in their final moments. Also what do you mean she is fine? They clearly are worried about her not eating very much which was one of the things the referenced back when the sickness first showed up as "reaction".
Also that quote you are talking about is about how previous empress's died not following their emotions. Well she is not currently following those emotions because if she had, she would say damn the rules and go see him whether they want her to or not. She is bottling those emotions currently and finally letting them out again knowing he is ok, and even still she is bottling them up further for the sake of her peoples traditions by not seeing him until he is fully recovered. These situations are exactly what I have been talking about regarding Hancock even before this chapter. Its not about knowing whether or not Luffy is ok, its about having the freedom to pursue that knowledge, which currently she is being restrained from knowing personally. She wasn't restrained during the marineford and impel down arcs which is why she was ok.
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Uh, so basically the Amazon Laws mean more than their survival? I understand, wait, what? Nyon did the same bickering act with Hancock before Luffy showed up, and Hancock didn't care then either, and that was about the survival of her people.
She's a spoiled empress who gets everything she wants because of her beauty, that's the way Oda has depicted her. Her ignoring the what people say is apart of her character before Luffy arrived. Her whole line of "you'll forgive me because I'm beautiful" fits into breaking a law because she feels like it, who's going to reprimand her for it? Nyon? The exiled ex-empress? It doesn't have to be about her "sickness" at all, and the not eating portion could just be her being worried about Luffy. You know, when you`re in love and someones hurt, it's pretty tough to have an appetite.
That time Nyon was begging Hancock to go in order to protect the country. Nyon was not angry, but desperate, and trying to convince Hancock to honor her Shichibukai, not Hebihime, title. As empress, it was within Hancock's power to decide to go or not.
Now she's scolding, not begging or asking, Hancock for breaking the laws. Nyon's angry and actually trying to force Hancock to follow protocol and honor her Hebihime title.
If you can't see the difference, then there's nothing I can do to convince you…
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Well yeah I agree with you, its just my theory in why Jinbei will be willing to leave Fishman Island. The importance of that will be the character interaction between Jinbei and Luffy during that arc, and Jinbei can see that Luffy is truly very admirable etc and thats why he offers his services (put his life infront of Luffy's? Heard that one before ) to Luffy and asks if he can join. The WB pirates bit is just so Jinbei doesn't have to worry about fishman island. Only reason I included them tbh. But my main point is Jinbei will see Luffy's true side and how he cares about everyone, including fishmans etc
No one but Robin has asked to be on the crew, Luffy does all the asking.
and Robin just asked out of selfish reasons, she had no desire to become a friend/true crewmate or nakama or whatever you want to call it, when she asked to be on their ship.
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No one but Robin has asked to be on the crew, Luffy does all the asking.
and Robin just asked out of selfish reasons, she had no desire to become a friend/true crewmate or nakama or whatever you want to call it, when she asked to be on their ship.
Ok.. that can easily be changed. How about Luffy ask's Jinbei instead? Just replace that in my theory above. For the little story, Luffy believes Jinbei is really powerful like he has mentioned above. And have seen the big names in action in the war, so he believes he could use a great powerful crewmember to help him in the new world. How's that?
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Ok.. that can easily be changed. How about Luffy ask's Jinbei instead? Just replace that in my theory above. For the little story, Luffy believes Jinbei is really powerful like he has mentioned above. And have seen the big names in action in the war, so he believes he could use a great powerful crewmember to help him in the new world. How's that?
I don't think Luffy would ask somebody to join just because he wants a more powerfull crew. When Luffy wants more power he makes himself stronger. He doesn't just go and recruit people because they are strong, he recruits because he believes they are cool and he likes them.
Of course, I can easily imagine Luffy thinking that Jinbei is cool and asking him to join.
I just can't imagine him asking anybody solely because he wants a stronger crew.
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Ok.. that can easily be changed. How about Luffy ask's Jinbei instead? Just replace that in my theory above. For the little story, Luffy believes Jinbei is really powerful like he has mentioned above. And have seen the big names in action in the war, so he believes he could use a great powerful crewmember to help him in the new world. How's that?
was just pointing that out. wasn't saying that jimbei can't join because luffy wouldn't ask him.
i have no idea how luffy decides who to ask. sometimes he does instantly, sometimes he is looking for someone, and sometimes it happens later after getting to know them. obviously hancock and jimbei woudl be the way later if he does ask them, and who knows they may ask luffy as well and if they do I can't see luffy turning either down.
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I don't think Luffy would ask somebody to join just because he wants a more powerfull crew. When Luffy wants more power he practices. He doesn't just go and recruit people because they are strong, he recruits because he believes they are cool and he likes them.
Of course, I can easily imagine Luffy thinking that Jinbei is cool and asking him to join.
I just can't imagine him asking anybody solely because he wants a stronger crew.
Thats a fair point, but now with the loss of Ace. Im thinking he will be much more mature now and will think about the safety of all his crew members. Like the time he faced Aokoji, im sure he will be determined to get stronger himself. But is him caring about his crew's safety really that bad? Could be not be abit more mature and ask for help? Also Jinbei is already in Luffy's 'good books' anyway, im just saying in addition to all the normal reasons to join, his strength will definitely be a bonus.
But I agree, its a weak argument. Not much can be said until we learn more about him really.
Edit - @ Sammsy, I dont think Luffy will be looking for a new crewmate interms of a "role" anymore. Im just thinking with all thats happened with the war, him thinking if he had a stronger crew around him isn't that bad? Also if he becomes his cheerful-self, a fishman in the crew will be well cool for him I'd imagine. So that works in terms of Luffy being the silly man he is and just asking someone to join cuz its "cool". Right?
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That time Nyon was begging Hancock to go in order to protect the country. Nyon was not angry, but desperate, and trying to convince Hancock to honor her Shichibukai, not Hebihime, title. As empress, it was within Hancock's power to decide to go or not.
Now she's scolding, not begging or asking, Hancock for breaking the laws. Nyon's angry and actually trying to force Hancock to follow protocol and honor her Hebihime title.
If you can't see the difference, then there's nothing I can do to convince you…
Ok? What does this have to do with the personality Hancock has? Whether Nyon is angry or desperate, Hancock is still someone that is selfish and has shown herself to do whatever she wants, consequences be damned. Laws or not, she believes she will be forgiven and can do as she pleases, what does Nyon have to do with that?
It could just be that Nyon is annoyed with the situation, and is fed up how Hancock never listens to her, since she doesn't.
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what does the bolded mean? The only law being broke is men on the island. The few men on the island aren't protecting amazon lily in any way.
as for the rest of your post, what is your conclusion then. Sound like your saying Hancock doesn't give a shit about anyone, or what anyone says and will do what she wants. So then wouldn't that lead to her going WITH Luffy?
Reread what you posted and then figure it out:
what point are you proving?
that isn't going against amazon's laws. there is no law about being a shichibukai and respecting WG wishes.
Your example is only showing that Hancock isn't against losing her title and having the treaty revocked
She could very well attempt to join that way, but you forgot the Captain chooses his crew. There is no way Luffy would let Hancock leave her people like that in a selfish manner to join him, and she'd be risking her title (if it's not taken). She has so many people depending on her, I don't think she has much of a chance. That's just me.
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if jinbei reveals what ace asked him to do luffy would simply say then its decided ur on my crew…thats what i think anyway
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The endgame is nigh.
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I want to reply to the most epic poster in here.
[hide]@AGOG:Too much reading about Hancock and stuff, so I skipped everything… Noticed my "username" up there several times, skipped all that too.
You is famous in this thread. I admit it.
Latest chapter:
–I just want to say that an elephant is on the cover page, again…
--And, finally we get to see Luffy's childhood.Do you believe Perona will be the elephant.? There are Playboy Bunny, Blue Pedobear, Simba, and Gay Gorilla also on spread. Who they are.? A nakama candidate.?
As far as who joins or doesn't join:
–Nothing new to work with.
--Nothing old to remove.
--It seems pretty fixed that someone will take Luffy to SA: hoping it is Law, since he still needs to get his ship recoated again, no? Jinbei ought to be on that ship too, so this should allow Jinbei to have a clear way to travel with Luffy to Fishman Island.Yeah. Since far chapter ago everyone say that they will go to SA. But failed and doomed because they go back to AL.
I have to say that Jinbei has a lot more chance to join, since his path to the ship has become pretty much definite.
Good for you. You finnaly see the light.
Disappointing things are that nothing new is shown, like Moria and so on. I really wanted to see how the pirates left and the ending ended up happening, but Oda won't show it all at all. I guess we'll see the results after wards. It seems that Luffy will just eat, and probably head off, unless he does the mythical "training" portion of this possible outcome. If he does train, it will probably be the Kuja who take him, although that's a waste…
Dadan is shown and you call that nothing new.? Or you still waiting that creepy girl to make an appearance.?[/hide]
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The Three Points:
-Hancock won't join or follow. She will provide a far away ally to come in handy later like Vivi.
-Jimbei will train Luffy over the coming timeskip, and may escort him and his crew through to the New World then depart.
-Perona doesn't even fucking matter now and never did except as gag and combat fodder.Hitler will join the crew on the first island in the New World.
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I think we'll get a new fishman crewmember. I don't think it'll be Jimbei.
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It will be Hitler.
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If we're lucky, Churchill or Chamberlain will join.
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Not if the Bear Jew has anything to say about it.
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What Hitler nickname then. Minibeard.?
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It's important to have new characters who will have funny interactions with the rest, think about how funny Hitler and Usopp's interaction will be.
Awkward…am I right?
He'd probably be all admiring of Sanji too, and Sanji would take it as him being gay and be really creeped out all the time, hahaha Hitler pretty much writes himself. -
"Minihige" Adolf Hitler.
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There's already one shitty artist in the group. They don't need another.
He'll probably try to kill off Robin due to her gypsy ways as well.
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@Cyan:
"Minihige" Adolf Hitler.
I prefer Punyhige. That sounds cute.
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His flashback would be pretty sad..
Berlin, 1945….the Red Army is shelling us, my nakama…
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@JERK:
His flashback would be pretty sad..
Berlin, 1945….the Red Army is shelling us, my nakama…
Then he thinks back to the time when he let his underlings do all the work for him. Suddenly, the Thousand Sunny becomes much more efficient and ruthless.
Chopper's room will be converted into and animal preserve and Robin's into a painting gallery, however.
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SH after Hitler join.
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hilarity ensues when revealed that Hitler's dream is to exterminate all other races.
during hardships, a brotherly and unexpected bond is formed between Usopp and Hitler
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@JERK:
Hitler will join the crew on the first island in the New World.
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Hitler stabs the hammer and sickle tattoo on his arm over and over
Hitler: STALIN! STALIN! STALIN! STALIN!
an arm stops him
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Hitler: Luffy, bitte hilfe :´(
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Which one of you is Josef?
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Oda doesn't make popular characters crew members but he does make crew members popular.
and perona isn't popular. Are we all stupid? Is that the case herr sebb? AGOG?
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This thread has now become the perfect example of Godwin's law in action.
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This thread has now become the perfect example of Godwin's law in action.
Not really a comparison going on here. PPL are purposely and literally talking about Hitler joining the SH crew in jest. Godwin's law came in to play when AGOG compared himself to Hitler somewhere in the middle of his tenure here, albeit a soon to be short one.