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[GoAnderson]

Enough with the childishness, Ivotas.

I think that it could go either way, in the matter on-topic. Paulie has a LOT of room to grow, and his ropes are a fresh idea. We still haven't seen his past, which, if we ever do, could prove interesting.

Franky, though, is by far the more built-up of the two. He's had his flashback, he's showcased several attacks… He's even capable of standing up to Luffy evenly, which is quite a feat. His power could definitely be appreciated against certain powerful foes.

I don't really hold much preference as to who joins, but I WOULD like at least one of them to. They're just too great a pair of characters to waste.

But, Oda being Oda, someone like Lulu could join just to throw us for a loop. Maybe even Zambai or something, who knows?

[Ivotas]

_Originally posted by Solid+Jul 20 2005, 06:44 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jul 20 2005, 06:44 PM)I just answered him, thats all.
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I know. I wasn´t talking about this post specifically but about the general "the fighting style resemble each other to much" argument. I´m not saying that there aren´t similarities, I just think you focus to much on that point. Unlike DragonBall Z One Piece isn´t all about fighting. However this doesn´t mean that fights aren´t a big part of the One Piece world. And wherever there´s fighting there´s the possibility that fighting styles will here or there resemble each other a bit. But that still doesn´t mean that each style isn´t a class of its own. They all have together that they are fighting styles. Both fighting styles of Paulie and Franky are unique, but at the same time both styles have something that can be found with the other Strawhats too. That´s why I think that focusing on fighting style alone at some point gets silly. And that´s the reason why I made the entire weirdo examples of alternative ways to surpass villains.

@Jul 20 2005, 06:45 PM
Enough with the childishness, Ivotas._

Erm did I somehow hurt anyone´s feelings? I didn´t resort to name calling or anything else. I was just using a weird analogy. It may was far off I admit, but still there was a constructive thought behind it. I´m sorry your statement is just intolerant and makes me appear as if I just like to be a troll which is not the case. A very sad development IMO. :(

[Paulie]

Okay, almost all the Solid/Ivotas stuff has been handled from what I saw, leading to, once again, mostly a Paulie/Franky stalemate. Some points, especially on Solid's side, simply didn't work out very well and, in the end, it looks like either one could join.

So I'll take the time replying to patz!

"You're not making sense. I seriously never heard of this theory before. Why would the creator waste his time to develop a character and throw him away? I'll tell you what. Paulie didn't have much showcase as same as Dalton because he will never join. That's why it is a waste of time to showcase a filler character like him."

Apparantly you've got to go through the entire thread before making a point, patz. I've explained, twice, why ODa'd develop Franky's character if he's going to be left behind. It'd be so that, when Franky builds the new ship, the reader can associate the ship with Franky. It'd make the reader angry to have a new ship after the Going Merry, but if that ship is made by a character the reader has feelings for, it's like a piece of that character going with the Straw Hats. In short, the reader has attachments and feelings for the new ship even though it's, well, new.

"I believe you do realize that running away from debt collectors is more serious than running away from goverment."

It'd fit right in with Oda's quirky sense of humor. Especially after CP9 and Eneas Lobby are done and over, he'd probabyl be bringing in some humor. I don't see why this can't apply to either, Franky OR Paulie, joining.

And besides, it was just an amusing example I gave of HOW Paulie COULD join, not part of any argument at all.

I'll also like to admit that, after Ivotas's arguments, I CAN see Franky joining much easier than I could see before. I'd go as far to say that it's equally likely for either Paulie of Franky to join. However, it looks like every argument has a viable retort for either side and, in the end, we really DON'T have much clue who's going to the shipwright. It looks, seriously, that it's a tossup, especially if you go back and look at the points everybody's brought up.

[wolfwood]

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 20 2005, 10:43 PM
I'll also like to admit that, after Ivotas's arguments, I CAN see Franky joining much easier than I could see before.
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agreed but im still rooting for Paulie,
but then again how can you not be swayed when Ivotas puts forth such great arguments :lol:

[Boy_suicide]

Well this topic has grown :blink: I'm stumped what to say…..... I'm still pro Franky though. :P

[da_pingunator]

haha well wasnt that an argument… i was thinking of butting in but i think its been settled now... go franky cos hes funny!... and becos he use "kentauros!"

[Paulie]

The main thing I gained from this thread is that I won't be disappointed no matter who joins. Before, I think I may have been let down if Paulie wasn't the one.

….Though I think I may throw a fit if neither Paulie nor Franky join.

[da_pingunator]

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 21 2005, 07:29 PM
**The main thing I gained from this thread is that I won't be disappointed no matter who joins. Before, I think I may have been let down if Paulie wasn't the one.

….Though I think I may throw a fit if neither Paulie nor Franky join.
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yeh reading this thread is good, as there r many different perspectives. lots of them new to me which is good cos i would never think of the stuff some ppl say in here which ive thought "aahh thats pretty cool…"
paulie, i would also b very disappointed if noone after this arc joined... preferably paulie or franky but if NOONE joins i think u may never c me here again XD

[Ivotas]

Originally posted by da_pingunator@Jul 21 2005, 01:10 PM
… preferably paulie or franky but if NOONE joins i think u may never c me here again XD
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Lol, why? It´s not like anyone of us would be responsible for it. :lol:

[warp]

i voted franlky. i like paulie better, but its more likely franky is gonna join. look at the facts. he has a past, a dream, and different types of attacks. I mkean he is already in a video game. i think that franky will join!(tho i want both)

[Ark]

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 17 2005, 03:27 PM
**I think the best argument for Paulie is his GOGGLES. Don't they look awesome?!

No, that's not a serious argument. Though they do look awesome.

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Paulie's prude attitude is all an act. He uses the goggles so he can stare without anyone noticing. :lol:

[Thedevil]

Originally posted by Ark+Jul 22 2005, 10:28 PM–>QUOTE(Ark @ Jul 22 2005, 10:28 PM)

[da_pingunator]

dont b too sure oda is full of surprises!

[warp]

Originally posted by Ark+Jul 22 2005, 12:28 PM–>QUOTE(Ark @ Jul 22 2005, 12:28 PM)

[joekido the Second]

If Paulie joins, he will be all nagging with the way Nami dressed herself, Franky won't mind. My lot is still cast on franky the human weapeon

[da_pingunator]

yeh but paulie may get over the whole dress and ocver urself properly thing! for all we know he may like it :D

[Mafioso11]

i think the nagging would be very funny. hell at first i thought that sanji being perverted would get old and it hasn't. i also think there could be some funny moments of him gambling and losing a lot of money to nami :D.

anyway earlier someone mentioned something about the connection between the 7 deadly sins and the straw hats. i was wondering if anyone thought of that but with the 7 heavenly virtues? if that theory about the sins is correct, then maybe that can be said about the virtues as well. and if that is correct, paulie might join cuz he seems to be the most modest character yet :D. idk, i'm just making my own weird theory but i'd rather see both paulie and franky join (if not paulie alone).

i know this is wild too, but if paulie joins; i can see him and nami arguing a lot. and maybe that can lead to them having a relationship as a couple (i've noticed that people who argue a lot, really like each other). i know a lot of people want nami to end up with sanji (if she ends up with someone) but he's a player, and goes after all the ladies (i can't imagine the guy with just one girl XD).

[CosmicDebris]

There won't be any relationships like that in One Piece ever, no matter who joins. Besides, Sanji would go beserk. :lol:

[wolfwood]

yup if he ever tries to muscle in on sanjis turf he better know how to swim cause hes gonna be sent flying of the boat :lol:

[joekido the Second]

I never wanted to compare the Straw-Hat to a 7 deadly sins

[Kiden4911]

so far all the peoples who says paulie is joining is only saying he joins cuz hes cool or his rope powers are awesome. i still dont see any hard or even close evidence that paulie would join. hes had no flashback and hes devoted to iceburg.

[Mafioso11]

Originally posted by Kiden4911@Jul 25 2005, 03:39 AM
so far all the peoples who says paulie is joining is only saying he joins cuz hes cool or his rope powers are awesome. i still dont see any hard or even close evidence that paulie would join. hes had no flashback and hes devoted to iceburg.
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not really, just a few posts ago, i was talking about how his gambling problems and modesty would be funny (plus his rope fighting and he's cool :D). and you have to remember that this arc isn't done yet so his moment may come sooner or later. and about his devotion, i can say the same thing about franky and the franky family. i think paulie will end up leaving gally-la and joining the straw hats cuz he can't pay off his debt among other things. and franky might get wanted so he'll have to leave too. that's why i see them both joining (once again, if not paulie alone).

[Valiantt]

well…this has gone really far 0-0. I still hope for Franky, the strawhats need a member who looks really "villianish", Franky does a good job with that XD.

[Konis]

Originally posted by Kiden4911@Jul 25 2005, 01:39 AM
so far all the peoples who says paulie is joining is only saying he joins cuz hes cool or his rope powers are awesome. i still dont see any hard or even close evidence that paulie would join. hes had no flashback and hes devoted to iceburg.
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Haven't really read all the posts in this thread then, have you?

[meethz]

Originally posted by luffy316@Jul 17 2005, 08:45 AM
Luffy: "No way Speedo-man can join us! He beat up Usopp and took our gold for no reason! He's like the king of jerks"
Franky: "OH, you break my heart, kid." strums on guitar "This' what i call the ballad of the broken heart…"
Luffy: "Awesome! Welcome aboard! You're our new musician!"
Frank: "I'M A SHIPWRIGHT!"
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You have no idea how I can totally see that happening. :blink:

I voted for Franky. Frankly, because I love him. (Oops the pun XD)

Yeah, so we have the dreams, the flashbacks, the weakness, blah blah blabbity blah. Up to this point I can say that I'm 80% sure that Franky's our man. But for the remaining 30% – it's Paulie. We have not seen Paulie yet because Franky's too awesome right now, and you've got to admit (unless your love is blind) that Franky drowns Paulie out of existance with his crazy and over-the-top antics. But I believe Oda will show us more of Paulie, things that will make us love him as a character, not just some cool-looking dude in the back with a vengance and some ropes to throw. Although until then, I'm still rooting for Franky.

Another possibility that Paulie might join is the flashback factor. If we trace back to the beginning, everybody had flashbacks and dreams. Even Vivi had flashbacks and dreams, that is to save her country. But then that dream came true and she left the crew. This might also go with Franky, who dreams of building a dreamship. If that dreamship is meant for Luffy, then Franky might not join because he has fulfilled his dreams, leaving Paulie to join.

But then again, both might join and I will die a very very happy person. XD Hail Oda!

[Kiden4911]

Originally posted by Mafioso11+Jul 25 2005, 04:52 AM–>QUOTE(Mafioso11 @ Jul 25 2005, 04:52 AM)

[wolfwood]

so tell me where is the hard evidenc for franky joining ?

there has so far not been anything that guarantes a place in the SH for Paulie or franky,
its not like luffy has looked at either of them and said i want him as our shipwright.

and if youve bothered to read the whole thread there has been plenty of valid arguments for both franky and Paulie….

[mugiwara]

Originally posted by meethz@Jul 25 2005, 03:20 PM
Up to this point I can say that I'm 80% sure that Franky's our man. But for the remaining 30% – it's Paulie.
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So you're 110% sure that one of them will join? That's some certainty! :P

[meethz]

OMG!

… Er yes, I'm 110% sure.

I hate math anyway. XD

[Kalei]

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 04:16 PM
**so tell me where is the hard evidenc for franky joining ?

there has so far not been anything that guarantes a place in the SH for Paulie or franky,
its not like luffy has looked at either of them and said i want him as our shipwright.

and if youve bothered to read the whole thread there has been plenty of valid arguments for both franky and Paulie….
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Not particularly. If you look at the arguments, those who are for Pauly joining mostly talk about what could happen in future chapters that would play in favor of him joining.

Unlike Pauly, Franky has already had many many hints that build a valid belief that he will be joining.
-Flashback.
-Dream to follow.
-Fills not one but TWO positions needed on the ship.
-Unique character design and likeable personality.
-Unique fighting style that can be expanded upon in almost any way, (a la Luffy's powers.)
-Reason to leave, (still wanted by the gov't. Pauly's gambling debts arent that big a deal -_-; )
-PLANS TO THE PLUTON (He's way too important a character to leave by the wayside. )
-Franky's already bonded with Usopp, plus he, Usopp and Sanji have successfully pulled off numerous straight man-type gags.

He's so in. XD

[wolfwood]

sure im also swaying towards the franky side but still i dont consider those hard evidence as Kiden4911 said cause if they were they would 100% gurante him a place in SH which i dont see cause there is a small chance(really small :P ) that he would do a Vivi with franky and really develope her cause she wont be in the series anymore.

to me it isnt 100% sure until luffy sez that he wants that guy to be his next nakama until then i still say its open for anyone.

EDIT and i also fully stand by my statment that in this threads whole history there have been plenty of great and vaild arguments for each of them.

[Kiden4911]

i never ever said that franky would be joining for sure 100%. all i said was that there is a severe lack of any evidence for paulie joining…if wolfwoods got some id like to hear them out, i read through the posts and all i can see is "paulie would be awesome" or "his rope powers are cool". only real evidence i can see is that hes a mechanic...nothing else

Kalei brings up a good point that franky is invaluable to the series to be just left at water 7 and not join. he is one of the keys to activating the weapons and it is very unlikely a character of this importance would be left behind

[wolfwood]

i dislike like the term evidence….
and i cant belive that youve read thru all the arguments in both of the 2 Franky vs Paulie topics and missed all the good arguments :blink:

ah well first of we have the classic Pro-paulie argument that hes bonded with luffy the captain whos going to make the decision,

and then we have those that he has in common with those kalei mentioned for franky,
and those are reason to leave(debts and/or possibel bounty)
a Unique fighting style and a likeable personality^^,
and he fills a needed position on the ship.

those are all i can think of right now...

EDIT but ive kinda been convinced that franky will join or both of them but i cant really belive my ears when i hear someone saying that there hasnt been a single good pro paulie argument in these topics <_<

[Kiden4911]

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 10:37 PM
**i dislike like the term evidence….
and i cant belive that youve read thru all the arguments in both of the 2 Franky vs Paulie topics and missed all the good arguments :blink:

ah well first of we have the classic Pro-paulie argument that hes bonded with luffy the captain whos going to make the decision,

and then we have those that he has in common with those kalei mentioned for franky,
and those are reason to leave(debts and/or possibel bounty)
a Unique fighting style and a likeable personality^^,
and he fills a needed position on the ship.

those are all i can think of right now...

EDIT but ive kinda been convinced that franky will join or both of them but i cant really belive my ears when i hear someone saying that there hasnt been a single good pro paulie argument in these topics <_<
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i still dun hear a good one…
bonded with luffy? when? hes bonded more with zoro than with any other member and that aint sayin much.

ill give u debts and possible bounty but i think its a bit of a stretch, he seems too dedicated to iceburg to leave cuz of money >_>

unique fighting style and likeable personality...once again...things people LIKE about him but not stuff showing y he would JOIN

filling a position on the boat? of course...any person who joins would be filling a position...

[wolfwood]

Luffy and paulie bonded when they were tied down by kaku and Luchi just before they burst thru the wall and faced CP9,
and it may be little but its more than hes done with Franky hell last time they saw each other they were beating the crap outta each other.

and your dissing some of your sides arguments just cause they are being applied to Paulie :lol:

[Kiden4911]

if im dissing someones argument it sure as hell aint mine, cuz so far i havent said anything for franky…

and franky does not necessarily have to bond with luffy...hes bonded a whole lot with ussop and some with sanji

also frankys actually fought for the strawhats...something paulie has yet to do...so far all hes done is be confused and get knocked out

[wolfwood]

nope but one of your sides(the franky sides) main arguments is that he has a Unique fighting style that can be expanded upon in almost any way.

and what luffy sez goes so he sure has to get along with luffy to get on the crew thats just a fact.

[Konis]

_Originally posted by Kalei+Jul 25 2005, 11:58 PM–>QUOTE(Kalei @ Jul 25 2005, 11:58 PM)

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 04:16 PM
**so tell me where is the hard evidenc for franky joining ?

there has so far not been anything that guarantes a place in the SH for Paulie or franky,
its not like luffy has looked at either of them and said i want him as our shipwright.

and if youve bothered to read the whole thread there has been plenty of valid arguments for both franky and Paulie….
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Not particularly. If you look at the arguments, those who are for Pauly joining mostly talk about what could happen in future chapters that would play in favor of him joining.

Unlike Pauly, Franky has already had many many hints that build a valid belief that he will be joining.
-Flashback.
-Dream to follow.
-Fills not one but TWO positions needed on the ship.
-Unique character design and likeable personality.
-Unique fighting style that can be expanded upon in almost any way, (a la Luffy's powers.)
-Reason to leave, (still wanted by the gov't. Pauly's gambling debts arent that big a deal -_-; )
-PLANS TO THE PLUTON (He's way too important a character to leave by the wayside. )
-Franky's already bonded with Usopp, plus he, Usopp and Sanji have successfully pulled off numerous straight man-type gags.

He's so in. XD
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But none of these are solid proof that he will join. Except for the flashback and possibly the "dream" such as it is, all the rest of those fall into the same catagory as Paulie's "things that could happen".

Filling two positions is moot, because there's not been an expressed desire for that.

Unique character design and likeable personality are both debatable and purely opinion.. and one could say the exact same for Paulie.

Unique fighting style that can be expanded on proves nothing, as Paulie also has a unique fighting style that can expand.

Both Paulie and Franky have reasons to leave.. just like they both have reasons to stay. Paulie will ALSO be a wanted man after this, so no, it's not just about the gambling debts. He gave up his place with Galley-La by declaring his desire for vengeance on those who attacked Iceburg.

Plans to Pluton doesn't seem like a good reason to join… but that's my opinion, which is just as valid as yours. And just as Franky's bonded with Usopp/Sanji, Paulie's bonded with Luffy.

So.. all you really have is the flashback and dream. The dream can be fufilled by building the Straw Hats a ship. Not saying it will... but it can. And Paulie could have a flashback at the end for all we know.. not saying he will.

So really, it's kinda unfair to say no one's given good reasons for Paulie to join... you can say the same for Franky. It's all perception either way. There's good arguments on both sides.

That's fine if you don't agree... but at least respect both sides._

[wolfwood]

Christ that was well written some day i hope i will be able to put my thoughts into words like that :)

[Paulie]

Originally posted by Konis+Jul 26 2005, 03:01 AM–>QUOTE(Konis @ Jul 26 2005, 03:01 AM)

[Kiden4911]

Just to get things straight, i never have and i never will say that franky will be joining for sure. for all we know blueno might join in the end…in this manga no one can tell whatll happend next. all we can rely on are certain consistancies thorughout the arcs, however few there are, in APPROXIMATING, not deciding, what will happen next

now ill admit there are now two evidences that support paulie but both are prtty shaky, the only bonding paulie had with luffy was how to break out of some cuffs or watever they were, and as far his motive for leaving becuz of bounty...almost everyone either has a bounty or the gov is lookin for them...it doesnt necessarily mean they have to join a crew, i mean im sure iceburg will be in trouble after this and i cant possibly see him joining

the reason i dont support paulie is becuz of the lack of stuf he has DONE in this arc. he has saved the crew but plenty of people has saved various members of the strawhats and they havent joined

once again we have to look at trends and make educated guesses based on those and so far franky is completely dominant in current trends (in know this is gonna be rehash but its unavoidable)

-flashback (sidenote: so far there has only been one major flashback per arc, so its UNLIKELY, not impossible that paulie will get one)

-importance- just as robin was the only one to read hieroglyphs, paulie is necessary to the gov and strawhats

-fight- franky has now fought with the enemy with sanji remniscent of the albalasta fight, each member takes an enemy and defeats them)

even though theres only 3 real evidences for franky theyre prtty frikin strong ones (no matter wat anybody says the flashback is extremely important)

and i am not disrespecting anyone, all im asking is that if someone has evidence for paulie and even frankie (not subjective stuff like appearances, and coolness) that they step forward and state those, not just ramble on about how paulie or franky WOULD be good in the crew or how unique their abilities are

and just for the record, i LIKE paulie more than franky, franky just seems too weird and even crzy (...though i doubt anythings too weird or crzy for the strawhats :P ), but i think that franky will join...

[Paulie]

I love how people bring up the same points without addressing what was used to counter those points originally.

Point in case:

"Franky needs his character developed, including the flashback, so it'll have more of an emotional impact when he builds the new ship and readers won't be disappointed in the death of the Going Merry."

Condensed version.

[wolfwood]

ah i told ya so :D ,
that there were some more good arguments and theres one of the best.

[Kiden4911]

Originally posted by Paulie@Jul 25 2005, 11:36 PM
**I love how people bring up the same points without addressing what was used to counter those points originally.

Point in case:

"Franky needs his character developed, including the flashback, so it'll have more of an emotional impact when he builds the new ship and readers won't be disappointed in the death of the Going Merry."

Condensed version.
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….just wat is that quote countering...he needs his charactr developed? how has his character not been developed in the flashback? and if i remember correctly...robin joined with virtually NO charctr developement or emotional developement or watevr...

[Paulie]

You: Franky has a flashback.

Me: Doesn't mean he'll join. In fact, it can be easily explained when you realize that his character development is necessary for readers to accept a new ship he makes.

[Kiden4911]

first off…i dont see how u can say his character has not been developed. theyve shown his childhood, what kind of personality he is like, events that show how he ended up the way he is (toms arrest, his ships hurting others), the list goes on...

second, this is an argument against franky joining not for paulie joining, in facte the argument ur using against franky could be better used against paulie. wat developement has he had?

lastly, i wouldve thought i stressed this enuf by now but im NOT sayin that franky is joining for sure, im just pointing out some similarities hes had with other members when theyve joined

[wolfwood]

nah youve got it all wrong,
hes saying that all the character development that Franky has gotten the and the flashback is neccesary for people to accept the new ship hes making.

[Paulie]

…I think this is what they call "futility."

[Konis]

Originally posted by Kiden4911@Jul 26 2005, 02:52 AM
**first off…i dont see how u can say his character has not been developed. theyve shown his childhood, what kind of personality he is like, events that show how he ended up the way he is (toms arrest, his ships hurting others), the list goes on...

second, this is an argument against franky joining not for paulie joining, in facte the argument ur using against franky could be better used against paulie. wat developement has he had?

lastly, i wouldve thought i stressed this enuf by now but im NOT sayin that franky is joining for sure, im just pointing out some similarities hes had with other members when theyve joined
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For crying out loud…

Look, he's not saying Franky's character hasn't been developed.. he's theorizing that the development of Franky's character is to induce an attachment fans can appreciate to a ship he may, in theory, make for the Straw Hats. If people care about the character who builds the ship, then they can more easily accept the new ship without feeling as bad that Merry is gone.

You've completely misunderstood what was said, and are ignoring any and all attempts to clarify it.

[Kiden4911]

Originally posted by wolfwood@Jul 25 2005, 11:54 PM
nah youve got it all wrong,
hes saying that all the character development that Franky has gotten the and the flashback is neccesary for people to accept the new ship hes making.
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ok i finally get wat u guys are sayin but it seems doubtable theyd develop franky just so readers can get over merry…y would it matter wat the builder is like for someone to like the ship? did anyone care who built going merry?
it not who builds the ship but the ship itself that counts