I predict Jimbei vs. Akainu while WB goes and faces Sengoku!
Anyone got predicitons for Kizaru?
I predict Jimbei vs. Akainu while WB goes and faces Sengoku!
Anyone got predicitons for Kizaru?
@Crazy:
Look at how far I have to go, and how complex I have to make the explanation, only to justify a near baseless theory.
This is going nowhere. I'm done.
I predict Jimbei vs. Akainu while WB goes and faces Sengoku!
Anyone got predicitons for Kizaru?
Kizaru's gonna continue to bitch-slap Luffy.
Lots of people have used hakition yet we have never seen a visual effect at all. Why not? If Oda was going to totally turn a 180 and decide to randomly start "adding" one, why would he not showcase the change with Hancock when she used it? Even if not there, afterwards as she was preparing to fight again. I can't believe Oda would make such a drastic artistic change without showcasing it.
Please give me an example where a man uses Haki and it is not shown but bare in mind , the image must not be after the hit, instead before it
Please give me an example where a man uses Haki and it is not shown but bare in mind , the image must not be after the hit, instead before it
I know I said I was done, but since you asked so nicely I'll come back to fill this one request.
[hide][/hide]Bottom right panel. That hit was later confirmed to use hakition.
Please give me an example where a man uses Haki and it is not shown but bare in mind , the image must not be after the hit, instead before it
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/02-03/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/04-05/
Thanks I agree than the pure drawing should not be considered as the use of Haki and the only possible exception that exist is that Oda only used it to help us distiguish WBs ambition from his DF.
Thank you Urouge
I know I said I was done, but since you asked so nicely I'll come back to fill this one request.
[hide]http://media4.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000088312/08.jpg[/hide]Bottom right panel. That hit was later confirmed to use hakition.
Haha funny how I thought of the exact same pic when he asked xD
This is going nowhere. I'm done.
Since this seemed to be directed at me, I'll just repeat that I wasn't trying to come off as if I knew how haki works, in fact most of the "crazy hakition theory" wasn't even a haki theory. It was mostly a theory on Whitebeard's df, all I was saying is that the magical bubble thing doesn't seem to coincide with the known usages of WB's df.
And I don't think it's crazy or complicated to see that WB is clearly grabbing and pulling an invisible something in this picture: http://img69.imageshack.us/i/lonepiece564binktopia06.jpg/
The other times he used his fruit for sure he struck this invisible something with his fist, so him suddenly creating a forcefield around his fist just doesn't seem like it's the same thing imo and lacks the crack/impact lines. I just think he has to outwardly manipulate this invisible barrier to create quakes, so he couldn't just create condensed quakes around his fist or bisento as others are suggesting.
[…] all I was saying is that the magical bubble thing doesn't seem to coincide with the known usages of WB's DF. […] The other times he used his fruit for sure he struck this invisible something with his fist, so him suddenly creating a forcefield around his fist just doesn't seem like it's the same thing imo and lacks the crack/impact lines.
Are you forgetting this scene, or did you completely disregard it? This took place only a few chapters after Whitebeard appeared.
The bubbles WB makes are clearly nothing more than compressed quakes. At best, it's his DF in conjunction with Haki but even that is far-fetched.
Are you forgetting this scene, or did you completely disregard it? This took place only a few chapters after Whitebeard appeared.
I remember that scene, what I'm implying is that he didn't create condensed quakes in that scene because he didn't outwardly manipulate the invisible barrier. In all honesty would it be all that shocking if WB's fruit wasn't so much of granting the power to directly create quakes but rather manipulate space/time fabric with the effect of doing so causing quakes, (and yeah I know it's a lot of sci fi) considering that he's likely to fight BB who can pretty much create blackholes?
ok this chapter was disappointing in the sense where i don't like how all these marines can use cp9 moves..i thought those moves were specifically for cp9….
and sengoku and garp...i felt like the cliffhanger from last chapter was meh...i was pumped to see sengoku fight..but w/e...
til next week...
He's not likely to fight BB at all. At best, BB is gonna show up and off an extremely weakened Whitebeard. And I'm starting to doubt that as well to be honest.
Now the dumbs who said that the dalmatian guy might be garp will finally shut up…even if i'm one of us.:whistling:
I wonder why joz didn't manage to touch okiji while he could with croc...
Now the dumbs who said that the dalmatian guy might be garp will finally shut up…even if i'm one of us.:whistling:
I wonder why joz didn't manage to touch okiji while he could with croc...
**It was confirmed the dog zoan user wasn't Garp when we saw Garp sit up on the execution platform with Ace and Sengoku.
Also, Joz did manage to touch Aokiji. Notice the blood coming from his mouth.**
He's not likely to fight BB at all. At best, BB is gonna show up and off an extremely weakened Whitebeard. And I'm starting to doubt that as well to be honest.
Well I can see where you're coming from but the idea of BB showing up at MHQ is to hype his character and to solidify him as the main villain, and it wouldn't be as good if he did so without WB putting up atleast a semblance of a fight.
Are you forgetting this scene, or did you completely disregard it? This took place only a few chapters after Whitebeard appeared.
If that sound affect is guru guru(or what ever the heck the quake sound is) then that is surely quake power. But i'm still on the fence about the whole thing. Mostly with Aokiji, I could honestly care less which one it is, I just want the piece of mind in knowing exactly what it is. The arguments from Haxeye to Silvers to Urogue all have something valid about them. I just can't wait til Oda explains it himself or has another character explain it in the comic. Because as far as what is shown now it could be Quake, Haki, or QuakeHaki, i'm not rulling anything out.
Man I hate the word Haki, but it's actually starting to grow on me. Still completely hate the usage of nakama though.
Well I can see where you're coming from but the idea of BB showing up at MHQ is to hype his character and to solidify him as the main villain, and it wouldn't be as good if he did so without WB putting up atleast a semblance of a fight.
BB hasn't shown anything so far to put him anywhere near Whitebeard so far, if he does manage to kill WB it'll be when he's almost already dead. Not much of a fight.
BB hasn't shown anything so far to put him anywhere near Whitebeard so far, if he does manage to kill WB it'll be when he's almost already dead. Not much of a fight.
Well so far WB still manages to keep up with the admirals. It might change if sengoku decides to jump in… Though BB promised the shock the world and it will definitely happen.
EDIT: What else could he do to shock the world which will make sense regarding how he acted since his introduction?
Take down legendary marines? Unlikely
Destroy ID? Unlikely
Kill WB or Ace? now that might really have an impact.
Well so far WB still manages to keep up with the admirals. It might change if sengoku decides to jump in… Though BB promised the shock the world and it will definitely happen.
**I'm sure something will happen to weaken him further, or perhaps the wound will finally take it's toll.
BB's words can also be interpreted in different ways. Some think "the show that will shake the world" is the war itself, which makes sense.**
Now I understand that there's a lot of aversion to the idea of One Piece having any energy ball crap like DB, but if that WB thing is haki then to me it's far more comparable to a reinforcement type nen user using nen aura around their fist in HxH, than DB ki usage.
ok this chapter was disappointing in the sense where i don't like how all these marines can use cp9 moves..i thought those moves were specifically for cp9….
We've already seen through Coby and Helmeppo that it's used by more than just one small group.
helmeppo when did he start using rokushiki
I disagree and will tell you why.
Mister Oda wishes to calm us down and help us distinguish haki from his earthquake power.
When he uses earthquake it drawn as those "crack" like lines coming from his fists and so on…But when he uses hakii its that rough buble or call it what you wana call it (the "buble" that is also around his bisento on first page of the chapter)
Thank you for not reading any of my posts where I already addressed all of this.
> And a proof? Before Aokiji is hit by Joz. Look at the panel of Aokiji and a buble that is coming his way. That's called an elbow about to hit a face really fast.
> Here that is my opinion and my statement, which I believe matches out completely Unfortunately it doesn't.
Try again.
@Sven:
Quite true. Having re-read the chapter, it's clear that whatever attack Whitebeard was using, it was stopped with the Ice Ball. When Whitebeard stabs Aokiji, it's without any sort of enchantment. Probably why it did nothing. But, the scene now makes more sense to me. The reason that pirate chap was confused might be because he thought Whitebeard's weapon was still enchanted with Ambition.
The pirate wasn't confused, it simply looked to him that Kuzan was run through.
Obviously that wasn't the case considering the space iceman made within the area Newgate attempted to stab.
It isn't farfetched, but it doesn't even have the same sound effect. It's visually different and sounds different. Why would Oda do this? Also, at no point has the glowing attack ever looked like it was shaking something. It's not that Whitebeard cannot do different things with his fruit, but there's a reason Oda has made it look different. And there's a reason he had that pirate say that line.
So…your argument is that a different use shouldn't look different and maybe sound different even though they are.
It's like you guys aren't even trying anymore.
As for your second line, it would seem that is not the case. Whitebeard shook the island, created Mega-Tsunamis and forced all three Admirals to block with Ambition with his quakes. With the glowing thing, he punched a guy and knocked over some grunts. Wouldn't a stronger Quake perhaps actually quake something?
Do you know what the word "contained" means.
It's more akin to Robin using her Hana Hana fruit with something else instead of the flowers, Or Gal Dino using his wax powers without a flame on his head. Visual representations exist so we know when a character is using their devil fruits.
Thank you for further affirming my argument and discrediting yours.
Awesome.
Whitebeard is the strongest man alive.And I mentioned above that the glow was absent when he stabbed Aokiji. Notice how it didn't work? Also, as another member pointed out, there seems to be a glow in the panel just before he gets hit by Jozu. I admit this isn't a strong point. Certainly a weakness in the ambition argument. But no hypothesis is perfect.
It didn't work because iceman made a gap within his body. There was nothing there for Newgate to run through.
And again, it's not some "glow," that's Joz's elbow about to hit Kuzan in the face.
I guess I got my point across incorrectly. What I meant to say is that how the two are similar in that the weak are affected, while the strong just stand there.
So….basically every attack ever.
That's not helping you out...like at all.
You say certainly, yet the mere fact that people are able to argue against it mean that it is not certain. You may be right. I may be right. We'll find out eventually. But until then it's not fair on the other users if you try and put your point across as a fact. Because it might soon become the consensus.
So now it's back to "NO ONE NOES!!!11!" again.
If you guys' main problem is how posts are written rather than the argument itself then don't even bother. Make your argument and hope that I can't rip through it so easily next time.
Hell Maki707 focused on the discussion and he/she got me to see where I was wrong.
@kuma:
helmeppo when did he start using rokushiki
Considering that he got the exact same training as Coby, I assume that he is able to do Rokushiki just the same. Either way, the point stands.
Well apart from helmeppo using rokushiki
@kuma:
Well apart from helmeppo using rokushiki
Nothing points to him being unable to use it, while common sense dictates that he can based on given evidence.
Either way, you're being fallacious.
He probably can use a few of the forms, like Soru or Geppou, but I doubt he can use all of them yet.
well nothing point to him being able to use rokushiki either
Since this seemed to be directed at me
That really wasn't my intention, though it may have come off that way.
@kuma:
well nothing point to him being able to use rokushiki either
Other than him training under Garp alongside Coby and Coby being able to it.
Or maybe he got a different type of training than coby. We don’t know the detail’s in there training
@kuma:
Or maybe he got a different type of training than coby. We don’t know the detail’s in there training
Why would he get entirely different training for no apparent reason?
@RPG:
who cares if its haki or DF powers fact of the mater is haki isn't the ultimate power up
Why would he get entirely different training for no apparent reason?
To utilize his strength better not really that hard to get your head round it. From his brief fight with Zoro there is some evidence to support him having different training
@RobbyBevard:
yep concludes haki is a much needed power up
@kuma:
To utilize his strength better not really that hard to get your head round it. From his brief fight with Zoro there is some evidence to support him having different training
Kaku is a swordsman and he learnt the six superhuman skills. Just because he used kukri is no proof for anything.
Cool chapter. So when does Jimbei fight Luffy to avenge arlong?
When they get to the Pirate's Summit.
Urouge, stop confusing him.
i am wondering how oars leg is doing. The doc is probably operating him right now.
hes putting him a wooden leg, how awesome.
i am wondering how oars leg is doing. The doc is probably operating him right now.
Pwngoat is gnawing on it right now, Sengoku has to give him a little taste of blood before they go into action.
Haha, I'm gonna read the chapter as soon as I get home. The librarian here at school is watching me too closely for me to open it up while I'm supposed to be working.
@RobbyBevard:
yep concludes haki is a much needed power up
LOL TRANSLATIONS
Kizaru definately wasn't talking about haki. He was saying that Luffy's strength needs to be higher. At the moment, he isn't strong enough, but his will is equal to that of Yonkou (yet he hasn't mastered haki).
He needs better combat skills.
When they get to the Pirate's Summit.
How can you deny a potential pirate summit ? I mean if WB dies now, and the Marines will be able to enter the New World for free..a pirate summit could happen between the yonkou and the Revolutionairies' leader in order to stop the marines' act.
How can you deny a potential pirate summit ? I mean if WB dies now, and the Marines will be able to enter the New World for free..a pirate summit could happen between the yonkou and the Revolutionairies' leader in order to stop the marines' act.
Please tell me you're kidding…