Chapter 559 "A Mandate from Heaven" Discussion
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They can't escape yeah but i do think they can transform into their elements in the sea stone cell.
Smoker didn't tried because he knew it is pointless. The same goes for crocodile+don't forget the sea stone handcuffs. -
According to Oda the Portrait of Pirates artist has passed away.
The news of modeler Mr. Kuroiwa passing was leaked early last week due to Hobby Japan magazine issue.
POP Kuma is apparantly his last work.
It's too bad, he was one of the best sculptor for One Piece figures. :sad:Oda's comments
P・O・Pシリーズの造形師の1
人黒岩さんが亡くなられた。
最期に深い感謝を。(栄一郎)He's not the only one doing POP series, but still.
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then again One Piece isn't supposed to make sense with water-tight power physics. That explains why a guy, who is tough enough to survive being in the center of an explosion with a 2.5 km radius, would be OHKO'd by Nico Robin.
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@Usopp:
then why can't logia users transform when in a seastone prison cell?
Because they have seastone handcuffs?
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It can only cancel Ace's powers if it touches him. Since Ace is likely the much more experience and stronger melee fighter getting in close to fight Ace would be suicide for Smoker back then. Get it now? Long range neither can do shit, close range Ace would have the upper hand making the Jutte useless. Ace would just knock that Jutte away or take it for himself.
Even alluding to Ace being a better CQC fighter than Smoker is fucking retarded.
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Seastone bullets went through Crocodile in ID so Smoker's jitte should not cancel out Ace DF when he is in fire mode. By the way seastone doesn't cancel DF powers, it just let DF users without any energy. Luffy is still rubber when Smokers catches him with his weapon.
Um, there were no seastone bullets in ID. Croc dodged normal bullets.
And I think the whole seastone thing is getting confused here. Logias can't turn into their element while touching seastone. In a cage, maybe they can, but since their body (elemental or not) would touch the cage if they tried to pass through it they'd still lose their power and remain trapped.
As for why Smoker didn't use the jutte agaisnt Ace, the easy answer (aside from Oda not introducing it yet) was that Ace was a skilled enough fighter to not get hit with it back then. That's easy to understand right?
Even alluding to Ace being a better CQC fighter than Smoker is fucking retarded.
Fucking retarded? Actually it's totally fucking as possible as anything. Ace is both a strong logia user, and experienced pirate, and a capable fighter. If he were out here saving himself, he'd be as impressive as Marco has been so far. But, he also got his ass kicked by Blackbeard and is currently being a little whiny about his capture. Weird, but that's how it works. Ace's hand to hand skills can be any level as long as it's below Blackbeard's, and for all we know Smoker is below that.
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Um, there were no seastone bullets in ID. Croc dodged normal bullets.
And I think the whole seastone thing is getting confused here. Logias can't turn into their element while touching seastone. In a cage, maybe they can, but since their body (elemental or not) would touch the cage if they tried to pass through it they'd still lose their power and remain trapped.
not if they just slip between the grates. It's perfectly possible if they have a decent level of control.
Didn't smoker say that the seastone actually radiates the 'energy of the sea' anyway?
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Even alluding to Ace being a better CQC fighter than Smoker is fucking retarded.
Ummm… no it's not. I don't like Ace's character much, nor his DF, but here's a guy who could best Luffy in single combat with no augmentations whatsoever, and who, just like Luffy, got stronger and stronger all this time. He's at the top of the world in terms of power, able to play with the top dogs with his DF. He has talent, experience, and power. He fought equally with Jimbei, who I hardly think he fought 5 days with without ever entering CQC.
If he didn't get owned by Jimbei like Moria, then we can easily assume he is a stronger straight up fighter than Smokey, especially when Smoker is still growing as well, and I don't think I even need to quote Luffy's observation from this chapter. Endgame wise if Smoker keeps getting better we will probably see him getting better than Ace, but if you're seriously considering that Smoker can fight any of WBs big time commanders as he is now, then you're making retarded statements. Just say that someone who is equal to Jimbei(actually slightly better, since he got up to fight WB when Jimbei was down) is a worse fighter than Smoker, but you'll bury yourself with that statement.
Luffy's a very strong, purely physical fighter. In terms of just the physical power, in this chapter Smoker was outmatched. That's right. He took a Jet Gattling full on, didn't even see it coming. Do you seriously think he can just take it and be unaffected if he didn't smoke through? He can take one of Hancock's kicks, just a regular one, but in raw physical power that kick is nowhere near as powerful as Luffy's Jet Gattling, if it connects. So why did Smoker win then? The answer is completely obvious. He's a Logia. A Logia with decent fighting abilities, but not astronomical like you make them out to be. If they were he wouldn't need to use that Jutte hax.
There's people saying that Smoker completely outmatched Gear 2nd. Funny people. Lucci and Sentoumaru are the only purely physical fighters who've fought Luffy thus far and have proven to be a match for him. Smoker is a Logia. The fact that he uses a weapon does not make him a CQC expert, just smart. Smoker is not Luffy's last hurdle on the Marines side. That will surely be Coby. Smoker is the guy Luffy beats when he can actually hit him. If Luffy keeps growing there's no way that down the line Smoker's physical prowess will match Luffy's.
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_I wonder what the heck Mihawk is doing.
Ever since his sword slash was bitch blocked by Jozu we never see him in action, wtf?
Same goes for Crocodile._
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_I wonder what the heck Mihawk is doing.
Ever since his sword slash was bitch blocked by Jozu we never see him in action, wtf?
Same goes for Crocodile._
What the hell is bitch blocking. What is that and how is it different from normal blocking.
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What the hell is bitch blocking. What is that and how is it different from normal blocking.
It's blocking something with bling bling. It's a pimp term. They use they're big chains and medallions to settle disputes in the streets.
And Jozu = Bling
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What the hell is bitch blocking. What is that and how is it different from normal blocking.
Blocking the so-called "The World's Strongest Swordslash" and making the one who used that move too shy to even fight anymore. THAT's bitch blocking.
Seriously, ever since his pee-wee slash got blocked, all he did was talk badass and look cool.. -_-
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It's blocking something with bling bling. It's a pimp term. They use they're big chains and medallions to settle disputes in the streets.
And Jozu = Bling
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thanks man.
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Blocking the so-called "The World's Strongest Swordslash" and making the one who used that move too shy to even fight anymore. THAT's bitch blocking.
Seriously, ever since his pee-wee slash got blocked, all he did was talk badass and look cool.. -_-
(no fighting or whatsoever.)what did the admirals do after their initial chapters -__-
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But he has a point. Mihaek did nothing so far same for the admirals… A bit boring. WB is standing as well all the time.
No Rayliegh as wel... I want to see what happened to him... His captain's son is in danger and no sight of him. He could use his damn Haki and KO most of the marines
But this war is with a lot of holes. Boa could use her Haki to knock everybody out. I bet WB can do something similar. Aokiji could freeze all other ships and so on.
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If you want everyone to have loads of screentime, it'll drag on like bleach.
Mihawk had his little jolly a few chapters ago. There's still tons of strong characters who have done nothing at all.
Boa could use her Haki to knock everybody out.
That wouldn't work on anybody worth half a damn.
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But this war is with a lot of holes. Boa could use her Haki to knock everybody out. I bet WB can do something similar
We also saw that the wave won't take down strong people and the battlefield is full of them.
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WB is doing his job and leading his charges. Plus I suspect that he has a time limit on how long he can go full out and I think it has to do with him being shown on IVs before. Also WBs powers could put his men's lives on the line if he gets quake crazy. As for Mihawk I asked the same thing but I think he'll go into action soon because now he's the only Shichibukai doing nothing.
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On screentime, yeah, keep in mind their are a lot of character in this war, and Oda is clearly being forced to include only so many at a time. I personally was wondering where Smoker and why we didn't see them fight until this chapter.
Clearly, all these guys are fighting off screen until they get their focus. I'm sure all these guys will have their moment when the time comes, including Mihawk and…oh Ao Kiji's been gone for awhile. Him too.
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On screentime, yeah, keep in mind their are a lot of character in this war, and Oda is clearly being forced to include only so many at a time. I personally was wondering where Smoker and why we didn't see them fight until this chapter.
Clearly, all these guys are fighting off screen until they get their focus. I'm sure all these guys will have their moment when the time comes, including Mihawk and…oh Ao Kiji's been gone for awhile. Him too.
Actually I think Mihawk, Hancock, DoFlamingo, and Kuma are a few who weren't fighting offscreen, but your right for Joz and Marco.
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well doflamingo isnt doing much atm,just talking with iva.
akaino also did nothing at all but fire at Wb which didnt worked out.i think mihawk will do something in the next few episodes that will show why he is the number 1 sword man in the OP world.
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Mihawk vs Mr 1!!!!!
Or Buggy vs Mihawk. And who will fight Mr 3??
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sence zoro already beat mr 1,it will be kind of pointless for him to vs mihawk,im pretty sure mihawk will cut him easy.dont forget only jozu who is diamond guy managed to take a slash from mihawk,that dosent make mihawk any less weak,its just makes jozu pretty strong.
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With using Haki I don't mean the big players but there are plenty of fodder as well like normal marine soldiers which could be taking out in an isntant
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With using Haki I don't mean the big players but there are plenty of fodder as well like normal marine soldiers which could be taking out in an isntant
yes but those normal marines dont really do much anyway,i mean Wb or any one of the Nw captains can take them out easy.its better to use haki on logia users like the admirals..
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Well I don't think Haki is limited. But I'm pretty sure those foddres are on the cannons and could be knocked out
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There are a lot of players in this war. People like Mihawk, the Admirals, etc. are probably still fighting; it's just that we aren't focusing on them. There is a lot of fodder in this war, and even guys as powerful as them would need a little time to burn through them. Of course, several of the Marine heavy hitters could be laying in wait for Sengoku's plan to spring in effect.
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seriously
we just seen what haki can do to df users
makes logia hittable
makes para like luffy ability voidbut one thing we have seen is that haki is used in close combat or infused into weapons for the effects i've mentioned
rayliegh used haki and a normal sword to cut kizaru so its not too extreme to say Mihawk can put haki in his sword
but even mihawk couldn't possibly infused a flying sword slash with haki cause basically those attacks is a blade of air and no substance to infuse haki into
what im basically saying is if mihawk got into close combat with jozu he'd infuse haki straight into his sword and cut him down like he was a normal person
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You're assuming that Mihawk knows how to use Hockey which hasn't even been hinted at.
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@Kairouseki:
You're assuming that Mihawk knows how to use Hockey which hasn't even been hinted at.
Hes the worlds #1 swordsman, im pretty sure he can use haki -_-.
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Actually I think Mihawk, Hancock, DoFlamingo, and Kuma are a few who weren't fighting offscreen, but your right for Joz and Marco.
Marco was just standing behind WB all the time for the last few chapters, so he isn't doing much. Jozu is probably fighting. Doflamingo is fighting, otherwise he wouldn't have made a pile of bodies to sit on. Mihawk and Hancock, we really have no way of saying, they might be fighting some pirates that attack them, we don't know. The admirals however, with their logia powers, are so devastating, it would stand out - so they really haven't been doing anything (besides that lasershot of Kizaru at Luffy). This might be to lure the pirates into the bay, so once the trap springs, we might see them in action. WB similarly isn't doing much, but he probably knew he had to be cautious.
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@Kairouseki:
You're assuming that Mihawk knows how to use Hockey which hasn't even been hinted at.
Yes, i think to much people are thinking everyone can use haki or all the big boys can use it . Until we seen them use it or oda show hints that they can. It best to say they don' know how to use haki.
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yeh just cos we never see mihawk use haki,dosent mean he cant.
i mean we only see him cut all of boats of the don krieg guy,and he slashed zoro,in both those times mihawk didnt really needed to use haki.
and if mihawk used to battle with shanks,and he never lost and we know shanks uses haki,that means mihawk did something to counter shanks haki,and thats either his pure power ability or a haki also. -
Why would Shanks need to use Hockey against Mihawk though? He doesn't have a DF.
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just as an advantge u know,he didnt need to use haki on whitebeard also,he knew Wb wont use his power on his own ship cos that will just ruined the ship,but they both used haki from the looks of it.
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For all we know mihawk has his own set of swords skills that let' him cut logias without it being haki.
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yeh that can be also…
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Um, there were no seastone bullets in ID. Croc dodged normal bullets.
And I think the whole seastone thing is getting confused here. Logias can't turn into their element while touching seastone. In a cage, maybe they can, but since their body (elemental or not) would touch the cage if they tried to pass through it they'd still lose their power and remain trapped.
As for why Smoker didn't use the jutte agaisnt Ace, the easy answer (aside from Oda not introducing it yet) was that Ace was a skilled enough fighter to not get hit with it back then. That's easy to understand right?
I think it was explained in Arabasta - by Smoker ? - that seastone emits waves of energy, like a radiation, that affects DF users. If the bars of the cage are near enough, it creates a wall of "seastone energy" that can't be passed through by a DF user, even logia.
The stick Smoker is using probably only emits in a very limited zone around it, like a torch. It has a very limited range.
Out of topic: when BB grabbed Ace and hit him, he told him that it probably was the first time in years that he was directly physically hit. Does it mean that Ace doesn't know about haki ? Can't use it ? Never met any opponent using it ? Imagine, even Hancock would be able to kick Ace in fire mode ! :-o What I don't understand then, is why Smoker would know about it but not Ace !? I still hope that WB pirates don't use haki, but Marco hitting Kizaru goes against that theory :'-(
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Well, Mihawk may or may not have haki, but he's one of the guys I'd say has a better change of possessing that skill. After all, he hanged with Shanks, the first master of Haki we've seen. Rayleigh seems primarily a swordsman and he's shown us haki can be applied to swords. Zoro's crazy skills meanwhile have been confused with haki and Mihawk probably has some of those abilities. Until Oda describes if and how "breath of all things" varies from haki then that might be right.
It's not "proven" yet but there's a lot of room for speculation isn't there?
Out of topic: when BB grabbed Ace and hit him, he told him that it probably was the first time in years that he was directly physically hit. Does it mean that Ace doesn't know about haki ? Can't use it ? Never met any opponent using it ? Imagine, even Hancock would be able to kick Ace in fire mode ! :-o What I don't understand then, is why Smoker would know about it but not Ace !? I still hope that WB pirates don't use haki, but Marco hitting Kizaru goes against that theory :'-(
Nah, I would think BB meant it was more like it's been a long time since Ace fought someone strong enough to hit him, also meaning it's been awhile since he's fought something with the power to hit him. People like Hancock don't just show up everyday you know, normally all the guys in this war would be in very different parts of the world.
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If haki only exists on AL then the Roger pirates had to have gone there, makes me wonder why kuja money is called gol? However I still think that haki could've been taught in other parts of the world, maybe even under different names due to ignorance.
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If haki only exists on AL then the Roger pirates had to have gone there, makes me wonder why kuja money is called gol? However I still think that haki could've been taught in other parts of the world, maybe even under different names due to ignorance.
Probably, Rouge is from AL, she has the same hairstyle as Elder Nyon. Probably she is one of the former empress that Nyon talked. Or Shakky is an amazon since her name is the name of a flower in chinese.
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so none of the admirals controls haki?
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so none of the admirals controls haki?
so if a strong df user that control haki comes he can kick all of them…Eh it's not because you can touch their logia bodies that you will win. Your haki won't save you if you take a lava ball to the head.
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well hehe a lava ball to the head is a bit crazy indeed hehe,but then again lets say luffy for exmaple in second gear controling haki,i dont see any way for akaino to give him a lava ball and even if he try he wont be able to make it.
so if u have a good df power plus haki and u know how to fight the way luffy does or mihawk,more chances u will defeat an admiral no?
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I still think that haki could've been taught in other parts of the world, maybe even under different names due to ignorance.
Such as…. mantra.
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so none of the admirals controls haki?
so if a strong df user that control haki comes he can kick all of them…Rayleigh Vs. Kizaru is a good example.
Rayleigh was using haki, and him and Kizaru still fought evenly.
But then again Ray isnt a devilfruit user. :0.
Luffy could kick their asses if he mastered haki, except Ao Kiji, all he would have to do is touch him and Luffys finished.
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I think it was explained in Arabasta - by Smoker ? - that seastone emits waves of energy, like a radiation, that affects DF users. If the bars of the cage are near enough, it creates a wall of "seastone energy" that can't be passed through by a DF user, even logia.
The stick Smoker is using probably only emits in a very limited zone around it, like a torch. It has a very limited range.
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How does Smoker go Logia and smokey if he is holding that
i could understand if you had to touch the stone to make it take you power away but if it releases waves then why doesn't it effect smoker?
also he touches it in smoke form all the time i don't think he should be able to use something that stops DF powers in a DF logia mode.
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Luffy could kick their asses if he mastered haki, except Ao Kiji, all he would have to do is touch him and Luffys finished.
So he could touch Ice and be finished off, but he'd have no problem touching Lava?