No way an admiral is gonna show up, luffy already pwnd by magellan, throwing an admiral in there is instant death for luffy and co.
Chapter 536 "Freezing Hell" Discussion
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No way an admiral is gonna show up, luffy already pwnd by magellan, throwing an admiral in there is instant death for luffy and co.
Well, an Admiral showing up later on would make sense, since you'd need a really strong guy to escort Ace to Marineford. But as I said, this would have to come much later down the arc. Right now the plot has enough stuff to focus on already.
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Plus there's still over a day until Ace-san's execution time. They won't transport him just yet, maybe in another three or four chapters they will.
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maybe it is off topic, but just wondering is akainu a giant with shogun outfit that wesaw earlier when the marine is gathering their force… if so, then it is interesting seeing giant with a devil fruit,since we havent seen any.
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maybe it is off topic, but just wondering is akainu a giant with shogun outfit that wesaw earlier when the marine is gathering their force… if so, then it is interesting seeing giant with a devil fruit,since we havent seen any.
No it's not. That was Vice Admiral John Giant. Akainu is the dude that blew up the evacuation ship back then at Ohara.
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Probably because it is widely assumed that Akainu will have a fire type Logia, since the other two Admirals have Logias that have something to do with the color in their name. Personally, I don't think we're going to be seeing him in Impel Down. He should be at Marine HQ.
Is that even possible? I thought that every DF was unique, "Fire Fist" Ace posseses the mera mera fruit, a firetype Logia.
Since Akainu has the name "red", maybe he can shout blood. :devil:
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No it's not. That was Vice Admiral John Giant. Akainu is the dude that blew up the evacuation ship back then at Ohara.
still no giant with ability then…
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Plus there's still over a day until Ace-san's execution time. They won't transport him just yet, maybe in another three or four chapters they will.
Depending on how much time is flowing in each chapter, it could anywhere from 10 to 20 chapters or more for Ace to transported.
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@Shinchibukai:
Is that even possible? I thought that every DF was unique, "Fire Fist" Ace posseses the mera mera fruit, a firetype Logia.
I meant fire as a blanket term. Lava/magma is what's most commonly speculated. I highly doubt it will be blood; that's way too morbid for Oda.
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I meant fire as a blanket term. Lava/magma is what's most commonly speculated. I highly doubt it will be blood; that's way too morbid for Oda.
I thought I heard somewhere that he was a swordsmen but I'm probably just imagining things
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I think some people may have overread this post.
The black and white guy is Dr. Jack Black
Black Jack is a medical mercenary, selling his skills to the highest bidder. He is a shadowy figure, with a black cape, eerie black-and-white hair, and a scar across his face.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jack_(character)If you look closley you see even his name here:
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I hope Akainu at least is an admiral who is strong without any DF at all!
@Josl : wow the black white guy was in Tenatious D ?? :p
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I hope Akainu at least is an admiral who is strong without any DF at all!
@Josl : wow the black white guy was in Tenatious D ?? :p
Why's that? I like the way Oda portrays these DF powers.
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This chapter is awesome
Luffy > Wolves > 100+ pirates
The vice chief is also strong if he walk around level 5 like morning exercise.
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This chapter is awesome
Luffy > Wolves > 100+ pirate
Luffy scared Wolves (not one wolf but the mass is here important)that are strong enough to kill 100+pirates who are hungry, tortured and froze.
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Luffy scared Wolves (not one wolf but the mass is here important)that are strong enough to kill 100+pirates who are hungry, tortured and froze.
Poisoned, hungry, tortured and frozen Luffy scared Wolves (not one wolf but the mass is here important)that are strong enough to kill 100+pirates who are hungry, tortured and froze
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But they not in near death state, and still have the energy to talk and trick other people
Bon Clay bloody moment, and when he fights the wolves was epic too.
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Poisoned, hungry, tortured and frozen Luffy scared Wolves (not one wolf but the mass is here important)that are strong enough to kill 100+pirates who are hungry, tortured and froze
Fact is that poisoned luffy wouldn't have been able to fight (with his fists and strength techniques) them with his current condition so he had to use haki…. What does it means?
If luffy knocked them all out with haki that means:
poisoned, hungry and frozen Luffy knocked out wolves that are able to kill random hungry tortured 100mil+ prisoners.Ivan is known to be free at level 5 :) That means (as his name is on the list of level 5 prisoners) he has a bounty of 100Mil or more or his threat to the WG qualify him to level 5. He is obviously able to withstand the cold and the wolves otherwise he would have been dead. Ok we have no confirmation he really exists but hey it's OP and we can actually assume he is out there.
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I could have sworn that ever since this chapter people got over the spelling Bon Clay. Must have been mistaken.
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Ivan is known missing in level 5 :)
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i'm loving this progression of Haki. as said these aren't pussy wolves in a random place. These are a group/family/clan of wolves that are in Level 5 because they would kill and eat all the monsters on Level 2. which i might add luffy used gear 2 on one of them (not saying he needed to, but still). And on level 5 are 100+ million bounties.
Its no wonder how the Yonkou wonder around and rule like Kings in the New World. I mean hell it seems like if Shanks attacks Enies Lobby he would just walk all the way to the courthouse wile everyone is falling unconscious. Look how easy Luffy beat Bleuno. That is how I imagine his fight vs. Lucci at worst, so then the rest of CP9 would be like fodder marines. Cause I imagine they might be able to stay up.
The only worry I have about this arc is the other strawhats. I just feel like they will get thrown in the background and not even thought of anymore by marines and pirates. It will just be Luffy. Just when they were starting to get recognized (well the rest besides Luffy and Zoro) after CP9. You know they all getting bounties and being a part of this crazy crew and what not. And now with what Luffy is doign ALONE kind of just throws that all away. Heres hoping that they all do somehting on their own island that pisses off the government. Or on the way to the ship. Like I could see Zoro easily destroying a bunch of marine shit, or other stuff. he seems to act instantly and no thought of how reactions affect him as seen in tenryuubito incident. But others could very well reach ship without even incident and government being none the wiser on where htey even where.
But you know what I mean, when all is said and done Luffy is in the paper for breaking into Impel Down ALONE, freeing Ace and whatever else happens down there. His crew is absent and its like a one man show. Thats the only dissapontment i have with this arc, is Luffy is not with his crew. I'm not worried about Zoro not being recognized the world over, because he will be due to his dream, but the rest of the crew it feels like they could take a back seat to this and be back in the days of Luffy huge Bounty, Zoro well known, and the rest have no bounty and unknowns. You know how it was before they all got bounties.
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Honestly, this is the first time I REALLY enjoy a One Piece chapter since like… 50 chapters ago?
Amazing chapter, and I'll definitely vote Bon-chan for the next crew without any hesitation.
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I'm trying to figure out what people really expect out of Luffy and haki right now.
Yes, he can use it in random spurts, but he's only made an ox, a pack of wolves, and some weaker Amazons faint and foam at the mouth.
If his aspiration/ambition/haki can only reach that height in desperation or unknowingly, (unknowing with the ox, and desperate with the wolves, and Amazons), why do you guys think he can use it against Magellan or anyone stronger at this time/after he's healed?
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Honestly, this is the first time I REALLY enjoy a One Piece chapter since like… 50 chapters ago?
so u havent read one piece for like 50 more chapter
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@dirt:
How can someone train his own ambition?
My answer will be "there is no way". Since you have it or not.
What you can train, is how to use it as a weapon. We saw that it can be use like a nova to knock out people who hasn't enough or whatever… -
That ending was too good.
Awesome chapter.
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@dirt:
I'm trying to figure out what people really expect out of Luffy and haki right now.
Yes, he can use it in random spurts, but he's only made an ox, a pack of wolves, and some weaker Amazons faint and foam at the mouth.
If his aspiration/ambition/haki can only reach that height in desperation or unknowingly, (unknowing with the ox, and desperate with the wolves, and Amazons), why do you guys think he can use it against Magellan or anyone stronger at this time/after he's healed?
Luffy probably just has some understanding on how to use it now. Ever since Zoro managed to cut Mr. 1 back in Arabasta he's been able to cut almost anything he tried to, because he realised how in a moment of desperation. I think what will happen now is a lot like that time.
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My answer will be "there is no way". Since you have it or not.
What you can train, is how to use it as a weapon. We saw that it can be use like a nova to knock out people who hasn't enough or whatever…Yep you definately can train how to use it,
we saw Rayleigh knock out one single person in a crowd of people and Hancock crush stonewalls with something that looked pretty much like Ambition.
You can learn to concentrate it.However on one point I have to disagree
I'd say every one has a certain amount of this "haki" thing, some more some less.
Every warrior on Amazon Lilly was able to strenghten their arrows with it, afterall.
So either the people there are born as Haki-masters, different from everyone else on the world.
Or they just learned to use their ambition with training (which would mean everyone has a little bit of it and just needs to learn how to control it)Just Luffy's kind of Ambition is special. the kind which allows you to knock out people is definitely inherent…
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@Maes:
Luffy probably just has some understanding on how to use it now. Ever since Zoro managed to cut Mr. 1 back in Arabasta he's been able to cut almost anything he tried to, because he realised how in a moment of desperation. I think what will happen now is a lot like that time.
I agree with everything you said
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the other prisoners are acting so calm, even when they got the keys, and when that prisoner said he'd never think of running away.. its almost as if its the dawn before the storm, I'm really feeling a crazy breakout here
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@Maes:
Luffy probably just has some understanding on how to use it now. Ever since Zoro managed to cut Mr. 1 back in Arabasta he's been able to cut almost anything he tried to, because he realised how in a moment of desperation. I think what will happen now is a lot like that time.
That's totally a different situation then with Luffy's Ambition usage. Zoro was mentally focusing to comprehend and successfully usa a skill he was aware of ever since he was Koshiro's apprentice. He might not have understood the Breath of all Things for all that time but he at least knew about the general idea.
Luffy on the other hand still doesn't have a clue what's happening. His Ambition shocks are triggered instinctively and more importantly without him comprehending that he's actually doing something at all. Both times against Motobaro and at Amazon Lily he didn't realize that it was his doing that made Motobaro and some of the amazons go down. And I wouldn't really count on him comprehending it this time with the wolves either given that he's nowhere near to understand anything properly at the moment. It's a complete different situation then with Zoro.
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so u havent read one piece for like 50 more chapter
hey don't get me wrong there, I always enjoy one piece chapter but this time is just beyond awesome.
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I have hope that luffy will beginning understanding what power he has. At least i back it up with the time intervall between the haki bursts becoming lesser and lesser. Ok it isn't as simple as that but luffy being recently confronted with that mysterious power will probably realise he can do much more. And he also knows he needs something to win against magellan if they met again. The problem with that speculation is that luffy might forget what he has done against the wolves since he passed out and is actually in a critical state.
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@vlad:
loul shit yeah a tribute to Dr. Black Jack
nice found Wild Seven
Awesome find! Whether or not this new black and white character is Ivankov or not doesn't matter, but the backstory behind this Dr. Black Jack is a definite telltale sign that Luffy will be cured for sure. At least, this is my take on it.
@Zik:
Again I never said they would "care."
I don't see why they would dislike that if BOTH new and old characters are involved. Maybe you misunderstand, I never said new characters are introduced and all of a sudden are completely dedicated to Luffy's goal. I said new characters helping because of their own goals, similar to Bentham but in a more independent way. I'll stop now though since I don't think you see my view on this alternative.
I agree with Zik, it's not a matter of "care", it's a matter of get out of the prison (or at least Try to get out). That's not a reason solid enough?
Fair enough. We all have our opinions. And as much as you think I'm not seeing your point, I really do see it and understand it. I just don't think it works well from a storytelling point of view.
You can correct me if I'm wrong here, but your point is that regardless of whether they know how strong Luffy is or not, Luffy presents an opportunity for them that's to their advantage. So, they help Luffy, there's a big chance for them to escape, and as soon as that opportunity shows itself, they'd probably leave Luffy behind so they could get away. Isn't this your point?
Why would random people help luffy?
1. they dont know how big their chances if they help luffy, think it this way, if you are in ID, and there is some random guy that running around outside, would u decide to help him? no way, you dont even know the guy,he might make u a bait for him to escape (this is prison after all, all men for himself).
2. you dont know how strong he is, if u decide to help to break out from the ID, there is big chance that u will fail , NO ONE ESCAPE IMPEL DOWN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS and end up on the coffin or maybe 'just' torture.
it is more relistic if the one who help luffy is the one that luffy knew, they knew how strong luffy is,since he beat those guys before and they know his character. so they could see a chance to escape with him.
Yeah, this is exactly my point.
On to other things. So, I just realized that the harsh cold freezing hell and the wolves are essentially the guards that police Level 5. Quite interesting to me - considering Luffy just took them out. Of course, normally, Luffy may not be able to deal with them as effectively.
So, here's the big thing. What is Hannyabal up to? Well, what do we know of him so far? We know he's after the warden's position/seat? We know he's skilled enough to walk around in next-to-nothing in Level 5's Freezing Hell without any weapons. We know there's been mysterious disappearances of prisoners. Could Hannyabal be part of this "conspiracy"? I mean, wouldn't it fit perfectly. Who would conspire to get a group of prisoners together. Conveniently, Den Den Mushi's don't work. Hannyabal probably understands the extent of Magellan's DF and knows what it'd take for a group of people to take him out.
I'm calling it first. Hannyabal is part of the revolutionaries forming in Level 5. ha!
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i especially liked the epicness of the last 2 pages - they were adventurous
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The problem with that speculation is that luffy might forget what he has done against the wolves since he passed out and is actually in a critical state.
There is a defense to this.
Luffy realized Crocodile's weakness at the verge of death. There's a small chance he'd remember making the wolves faint.
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That's totally a different situation then with Luffy's Ambition usage. Zoro was mentally focusing to comprehend and successfully usa a skill he was aware of ever since he was Koshiro's apprentice. He might not have understood the Breath of all Things for all that time but he at least knew about the general idea.
Luffy on the other hand still doesn't have a clue what's happening. His Ambition shocks are triggered instinctively and more importantly without him comprehending that he's actually doing something at all. Both times against Motobaro and at Amazon Lily he didn't realize that it was his doing that made Motobaro and some of the amazons go down. And I wouldn't really count on him comprehending it this time with the wolves either given that he's nowhere near to understand anything properly at the moment. It's a complete different situation then with Zoro.
I have to give it to you that Luffy is clueless, or at least was clueless at the time, but I was mainly pointing out Luffy's condition (which I have to say is a fair bit more serious than Zoro's was) is somewhat similar to Zoro's at the time. He was not in this condition before when using haki, so him being in this condition might somehow make him more aware of this ability that he's used three times now. Of course, since this is Luffy we're talking about he still might not get it and just needs a few hints to get started.
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@dirt:
There is a defense to this.
Luffy realized Crocodile's weakness at the verge of death. There's a small chance he'd remember making the wolves faint.
We don't know if luffy recall what he did after taking croc down. I mean robin explained what he did. Does he remembers? We don't know. His state is more critical than back then at Alabasta. His senses are damaged he is really in hell now. But hey if he recalls then it will be supaaaa. If not then i won't be surprised. But Bon chan saw it. There is hope for a discussion of this ability when the 2 will be saved.
But hey it's not that he will not learn it. He has used it against motobaro against the amazons he witnessed that they use strange techniques that boost the power of attacks and he he knocked out all the wolves around. If he doesn't begin to understand how it works then i don't see the point of bringing so much hints. On the other hand magellan will probably cross his way again so he needs something to fight him soon. The only thing we saw him using now is haki. No vulcanisation etc…
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@dirt:
There is a defense to this.
Luffy realized Crocodile's weakness at the verge of death. There's a small chance he'd remember making the wolves faint.
Isn't Luffy currently blind from the poisons? So I don't think he'd be able to see that the wolves collapsed. And considering he passed out right after, I doubt he'd realize they stopped attacking as well.
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Isn't Luffy currently blind from the poisons? So I don't think he'd be able to see that the wolves collapsed. And considering he passed out right after, I doubt he'd realize they stopped attacking as well.
I doubt Mr.2 won't ask him what that was. He saw it and was clueless.
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I doubt Mr.2 won't ask him what that was. He saw it and was clueless.
That's true, but wouldn't it be like when the crew asked Luffy what he did to Motobaro?
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That's true, but wouldn't it be like when the crew asked Luffy what he did to Motobaro?
No since luffy also saw haki at work on amazon lily. He didn't know he did it, but now it is the second time he did it. And if he can put 1 and 1 together he will understand that he is able to use a force that can knock out opponents. Maybe that Ivan knows alot about this force and might explain it when the 2 will discuss what happened.
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I doubt Mr.2 won't ask him what that was. He saw it and was clueless.
he definitely will ask luffy about "haki" - i hope luffy will then learn how to use his
haki - abilities, but i´m afraid Oda will disappoint me in this point:sad: -
Isn't Luffy currently blind from the poisons? So I don't think he'd be able to see that the wolves collapsed. And considering he passed out right after, I doubt he'd realize they stopped attacking as well.
Actually, it seems it's not completely out.
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awesome responses. i take it as everyone agrees on LuffyXBentham.
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awesome responses. i take it as everyone agrees on LuffyXHarem.
Why, yes, yes, they do.
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No since luffy also saw haki at work on amazon lily. He didn't know he did it, but now it is the second time he did it. And if he can put 1 and 1 together he will understand that he is able to use a force that can knock out opponents. Maybe that Ivan knows alot about this force and might explain it when the 2 will discuss what happened.
Unless Bentham uses the words mysteriously knocking people out, I don't think Luffy can put 1 and 1 together that easily. hahaha…
As for Ivankov, why are so many assuming this character will know about and how to use 'haki'. I mean, I'm still of the impression that this is a very rare thing, especially the ability to render cannon-fodder unconscious.
@dirt:
Actually, it seems it's not completely out.
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hahaha… nice one!
awesome responses. i take it as everyone agrees on LuffyXBentham.
You didn't know Luffy goes both ways. You ever realize he has more men than women on his crew.
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I have hope that luffy will beginning understanding what power he has. At least i back it up with the time intervall between the haki bursts becoming lesser and lesser. Ok it isn't as simple as that but luffy being recently confronted with that mysterious power will probably realise he can do much more.
I agree. As I stated, Luffy doesn't that he is responsible but at least he does realize that lately people and animals started passing out in his front. Being aware of that is already a first step.
And he also knows he needs something to win against magellan if they met again. The problem with that speculation is that luffy might forget what he has done against the wolves since he passed out and is actually in a critical state.
This is actually where I think step two takes place. Even if he does pass out I think that Bentham has still grasped enough of the situation to tell later on what he witnessed. If he tells Luffy about that, it wouldn't Luffy make comprehend Ambition BUT it should make him more curious about the reason for people and animals passing out lately around him. That would include the guys at the auction house. Ok, that was Rayleighs doing. But the point is that Luffy witnessed it which only aids to the curiousity.
Let's wait for the next situation where he will be forced or will see the use of haki.
Well, perhaps there won't be need for another one of those situations. I mean if Luffy develops curiousity in it in front of the proper person (meaning he's asking the right guy at the right time) then he could get some info out of it. Doesn't need to be a full encyclopedia of Ambition but just the small info that there is an ability like that which Luffy has potential to use. That alone would be one step forward.
And I actually wouldn't be surprised if Iva would be the person to have such information (careful speculation coming up ahead). I mean Iva is said to make miracles happen. But what kind of miracles is still unclear. And if Ambition should really be the uber ability from which all other abilities like Mantra, Life Return and being on fire without being burnt (Mariegold) originate from, then it wouldn't surprise me if those miracles aren't Ambition based.
I mean reading opponents thoughts, controlling the form of your body or manipulating fire most certainly appears miraculous to people who don't know the reasons behind it. So I wouldn't be surprised if Iva would actually quite knowledgable with Ambition. And if the chitchat with Luffy goes the correct path, then he/she could most certainly be a person to make Luffy familiar with the existence of Ambition. But that's a long way to go. First Iva needs to be found and Luffy needs to be cured.
@Maes:
I have to give it to you that Luffy is clueless, or at least was clueless at the time, but I was mainly pointing out Luffy's condition (which I have to say is a fair bit more serious than Zoro's was) is somewhat similar to Zoro's at the time. He was not in this condition before when using haki, so him being in this condition might somehow make him more aware of this ability that he's used three times now. Of course, since this is Luffy we're talking about he still might not get it and just needs a few hints to get started.
I get what you mean now. But yeah, as you say I also think that without getting a few hints he won't get started by himself. The most important thing right now is (as I just stated in the previous paragraphs) that he begins to realize that these events happen more frequently in his presence.
A personal side note: I know many people are really annoyed with constant Ambition connections to everything. But I must say that I totally dig how Oda handles that entire thing. I mean unlike all the other series OP doesn't start of right away with the uber skill/ability/power/force but rather introduces it in easter egg form in the first chapter and lets nearly a decade pass before he draws attention to it. I mean it's really like a "you need to learn to walk first before you can fly" concept which we have been witnessing ourselves instead of tagging along when the characters are already practicing to fly. I don't but I find that fascinating somehow.^^
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i'm loving this progression of Haki. as said these aren't pussy wolves in a random place. These are a group/family/clan of wolves that are in Level 5 because they would kill and eat all the monsters on Level 2. which i might add luffy used gear 2 on one of them (not saying he needed to, but still). And on level 5 are 100+ million bounties.
Its no wonder how the Yonkou wonder around and rule like Kings in the New World. I mean hell it seems like if Shanks attacks Enies Lobby he would just walk all the way to the courthouse wile everyone is falling unconscious. Look how easy Luffy beat Bleuno. That is how I imagine his fight vs. Lucci at worst, so then the rest of CP9 would be like fodder marines. Cause I imagine they might be able to stay up.
The only worry I have about this arc is the other strawhats. I just feel like they will get thrown in the background and not even thought of anymore by marines and pirates. It will just be Luffy. Just when they were starting to get recognized (well the rest besides Luffy and Zoro) after CP9. You know they all getting bounties and being a part of this crazy crew and what not. And now with what Luffy is doign ALONE kind of just throws that all away. Heres hoping that they all do somehting on their own island that pisses off the government. Or on the way to the ship. Like I could see Zoro easily destroying a bunch of marine shit, or other stuff. he seems to act instantly and no thought of how reactions affect him as seen in tenryuubito incident. But others could very well reach ship without even incident and government being none the wiser on where htey even where.
But you know what I mean, when all is said and done Luffy is in the paper for breaking into Impel Down ALONE, freeing Ace and whatever else happens down there. His crew is absent and its like a one man show. Thats the only dissapontment i have with this arc, is Luffy is not with his crew. I'm not worried about Zoro not being recognized the world over, because he will be due to his dream, but the rest of the crew it feels like they could take a back seat to this and be back in the days of Luffy huge Bounty, Zoro well known, and the rest have no bounty and unknowns. You know how it was before they all got bounties.
I agree with you
thats the main reason why i believe luffy will get caught and sent with ace to be executed to bring the crew back into thisi predict they will arrive at SA maybe about 8 hours before ace's execution when rayleigh hears info about luffy being caught and being executed along side his brother
at this time the crew would have arrived at Sa and from SA to marineHQ its not as long a journey and the first mate will lead them back into the story.
Remember when they said they the strawhats are following the log pose direct to MHQ well its perfect. they can take the ship there then save luffy with help of wb attack a few fights and they escape quickly back to Sa and towards fishman island
at least thats my prediction
i just don't think luiffy can learn haki at the level he needs in the time he's got to escape with ace