You should really give it up. You're going on arguing about how I was trying to paint SD as slice-of-life when I NEVER SAID THAT. I said it contained elements of slice-of-life as well as romantic comedy and even gangster manga, which you already agreed with as your whole flimsy argument degraded around you.
Your trying to paint it as a broad varied cornucopia of elements when it's a damned near homogenous Sports comic.
This is what I've been laughing at you for since stage one.
YOUR COMPREHENSION IS very, very, very shallow/low.
Said the guy overanalyzing a typical shonen manga.
WTF Is that shit about the characters in SD all being cliche?
They are. So are One Pieces, and virtually every shonen story. This isn't a crime.
That you think it is shows how little you know.
Stop brandishing words you don't fully comprehend, please? In 1990 none of those archtypes had been used to the point of oversaturation especially not in the way the series presents them.
Keep moving them goalposts.
And no don't bullshit me with even thinking that Slam Dunk pioneered a damn thing in regards to characters. All of it's archetypes had been established in manga ages ago with Tezuka, let alone within stories themselves.
I think you should actually read manga from the late 80's before you make a statement like that. A big part of the reason Dragonball and SD became the most popular series of the time was because they were genrebending series in the first place.
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Oh lord.
Your one those doofs who has to justify something as trailblazing before they like it aren't you.
Even now, have you even read a decent amount of sports series? They tend to kick off with the middle of a game or match, not the way SD with fleshed out character introduction after character introduction.
What sports series have you read, people were doubting you on the last thread let alone this one.
And AGAIN with the goalposts! Before you were trying to spread this out over all shonen by comparing it to Naruto, now you've shrunk things down to sports manga like it exists in a vacuum or some shit.
Even that statement about Mistui being the only realistic character because he has no descernable personality was dumb.Unabashinly dumb.
Because he was less cartoony.
If I was judging realism on lack of personality I would have said Rukawa was the more realistic.
I can already see what your doing here, getting pouty like your fave series not being realistic makes it bad somehow.
The characters in SD have a genuine feel to their personalities
Nope.
because their relationships with one another are complex, genius.
Good god man. No you didn't.
Relationships aren't cut and dry
Yes they are.
and there are tons of misunderstandings between characters.
What does this even have to do with anything.
And even the characters who in this day and age border on cliche like Rukawa(which is mainly because modern shonen manga uses that archtype in EVERY other series)
Rukawa does not border on cliche, he is the capital thereof.
Characters like him (again!) were around since Tezuka was doin' it.
But you can always run away with the goal and act like doing it in a sports manga is some kind of actual achievement.
still have unique nuances and character quirks that seem to be totally lost on you.
Having nuances and quirks are the minimum requirements for any given character you amateur. They don't even remotely begin to define complexity.
Have there been dark-haired, cooler than thou, prettyboy shonen rivals before SD? Yes.
Were they narcoleptic ones? FUCK No.
If pioneering characters were as simple as throwing a mustache or funny sneeze onto a prexisting archetype…
I can't even finish that sentence. I can't actually beleive you think this.
By your shallow and flawed definition of cliche, every damn protagonist in OP is cliche because those character types existed before. Cliche is when the concept has been used to the point of oversaturation!
Every protagonist in OP is cliche.
Well Chopper wasn't so much at first.
Those archetypes were oversaturated by the early 90's.
Do you know how many people I know who suck at their Major and are still passing all their classes?
I'm sure this fully applies to whatever vague qualfications you were hinting you had earlier.
Don't act like I brought up the "OH YEAH I DO THIS" game lol.
Don't trot that bullshit out like it gives you any sort of authority or creedance here.
lol, you brought up qualifications, I was just playing along.
Your supernova of convoluted arguments and flimsy tower of bullshit should have ended when I said, I would give Vagabond a second try.
No it should have ended with you stopping your attempts to say you had a legit level of experinece to judge the series.
Yet you keep trying to make this argument that SD is suuuuch an inferior series when it's really just not your personal taste.
Find where I compared Slam Dunk to Vagabond in this thread aside from art progression.
Sakuragi is a cliche character?
Oh god yes.
Yes, in the sense that there have been series with thug protagonist but that's where the similarities end.
This one has red hair.
Inoue-sensei gave him the lion's share of distinctive character quirks,
lolll
the same way ODa does with every damn character in OP, in order to make him stand out as unique.
Find me a "unique" character in OP.
The way Toriyama and Inoue took genres which authors tended to skew super-serious at the time and made them lighthearted is a MASSIVE part of why those series became so accessible and thus, popular.
Niether pioneered this in any shape or form.
Why the hell else do you think a country( where basketball is as obscure and unpopular as mahjong in america) would go apeshit over a basketball manga to the point that it become the bestselling book in the entire country??
Because it's well made? Has well constructed matches. Has likable characters and fun dynamics among them. Very well drawn.
Inoue knew he had to sell them on the comedy and characters BEFORE the basketball elements.
Every story sells people on characters before making those characters do things. That the basics.
SD is a testament to the idea that you can sell ANY gimmick if you know how. That's my final word on this,
Your final word is a criticism more withering then any I could have come up with toward SD?
This is strangely fitting.