Well Luffy going to AL or SA is both pausible. I mean if by any chance BOA pirate ship is nearby for whatever reason there my be a chance for Luffy to go in AL but because Luffy is with WB pirates and Iva-chan + the candies
the chances of Luffy getting to AL is more like 30% IMO
Did I mention it would take them another day to make it there in time?
Furthermore, it takes a week…
So, where does this fit in with the 30%?
If she had a chance to join, Oda would write her like that…
Which ship?
Nop ure soooo keen on ureself, u said Boa has 0 Percent to join. Than u wouldnt mind if u stop watch/read OP if Boa joins. Coz accorning to you u have a 100% win situation so u got nothing to lose.
Thousand sunny
Explain why Gaimon didn't join?
Or the likes of Vivi?
Because Oda didn't want them too…Vivi could of joined eaaaasily. Her country didn't really even need her..she's just a princess.
Not to mention Vivi and Gaimon have no fighting ability what so ever so they couldn't join regardless. This proves my point...I hope you know that. They didn't join because Oda didn't want them to even though they had the opportunity.
Nop ure soooo keen on ureself, u said Boa has 0 Percent to join. Than u wouldnt mind if u stop watch/read OP if Boa joins. Coz accorning to you u have a 100% win situation so u got nothing to lose.
Thousand sunny
Alright.
TS doesn't have the means to head to AL and they need more than a week as well as get seastone plating and many other things… Furthermore, it's on SA, so Luffy has to go there to pick it up...
He can't even use the ship, so he can't do shit anyway.
Another ship?
Because Oda didn't want them too…Vivi could of joined eaaaasily. Her country didn't really even need her..she's just a princess.
Not to mention Vivi and Gaimon have no fighting ability what so ever so they couldn't join regardless. This proves my point...I hope you know that. They didn't join because Oda didn't want them to even though they had the opportunity.
I can't deny that, but he DID offer them the shot, just didn't put them full-willingly to accept 'em…
Gaimon could have been a nakama and had the whole package, but he just chose to stay behind, for whatever reason Oda provided...
Alright.
TS doesn't have the means to head to AL and they need more than a week as well as get seastone plating and many other things… Furthermore, it's on SA, so Luffy has to go there to pick it up...
He can't even use the ship, so he can't do shit anyway.
Another ship?
I can't deny that, but he DID offer them the shot, just didn't put them full-willingly to accept 'em...
Gaimon could have been a nakama and had the whole package, but he just chose to stay behind, for whatever reason Oda provided...
Boas ship, is possible. Boa would take luffy with her back.
U said alright to the bet that if Boa joins u would stop Watch and Read op?.
But Luffy is escaping with the Wbs …
Boas ship, is possible. Boa would take luffy with her back.
U said alright to the bet that if Boa joins u would stop Watch and Read op?.
Boa Hancock's ship needs more than a week to head to SA, and MF… it hasn't been a week since then.
So, they are eliminated, furthermore, Boa Hancock didn't bring her ship, she was escorted by the Marines.
Any other questions?
Don't do bets man…No ones going to stop reading their favorite manga even if they do lose a bet.
Well Luffy going to AL or SA is both pausible. I mean if by any chance BOA pirate ship is nearby for whatever reason there my be a chance for Luffy to go in AL but because Luffy is with WB pirates and Iva-chan + the candies
I still maintain that the broken log pose hints that the chances that FI aren't the next stop are fairly high.
Boa Hancock's ship needs more than a week to head to SA, and MF… it hasn't been a week since then.
So, they are eliminated, furthermore, Boa Hancock didn't bring her ship, she was escorted by the Marines.
Any other questions?
Ye if u would quit reading and watching OP if boa's join.
Did I mention it would take them another day to make it there in time?
Furthermore, it takes a week…
So, where does this fit in with the 30%?
ahh I forgot about that AL to shabondy may take a week longer :ninja:
Well even Luffy go to AL or some random place he is still need to go to SA because that is the place where Rayleigh is
Ye if u would quit reading and watching OP if boa's join.
Sure, why not…
ahh I forgot about that AL to shabondy may take a week longer :ninja:
Well even Luffy go to AL or some random place he is still need to go to SA because that is the place where Rayleigh is
Yeah, I still think that whatever location Luffy ends up at, he will not be coming back until the whole crew is present or something… I do think a time skip will occur after Luffy stops at some location. I think it's SA of course...
Then, FISHMAN ISLAND finally happens!!
you sure but what if Perona also join
characters join one at a time… We don't need several at once...
I'd be outraged if it were two at once.
Well Oda always surprised us 
with his almost unpredictable way on writing his manga
Well Oda always surprised us
There are only two characters left to add, so why add them at this very moment…
Seems like a waste of potential. We need some suspense moving into the NW, so at least something interesting involves a nakama in there...
I do think a time skip will occur after Luffy stops at some location. I think it's SA of course…Then, FISHMAN ISLAND finally happens!!
I think it could be AL. Or maybe another island. Urouge was telling me that the log pose might be broken, so I figure Oda wouldn't do that without reason. If that happens, perhaps Margaret or, unlikely as it might seem, Hancock has a chance…
I think it could be AL. Or maybe another island. Urouge was telling me that the log pose might be broken, so I figure Oda wouldn't do that without reason. If that happens, perhaps Margaret or, unlikely as it might seem, Hancock has a chance…
But Bellamy told me that they break all the time… Isn't that worth something, furthermore, I haven't confirmed that Oda puts effort into drawing logposes every single panel until then...
I do not think it broke. Oda just didn't draw it.
first and for most…
we need to see SH reunited!
There are only two characters left to add, so why add them at this very moment…
Seems like a waste of potential. We need some suspense moving into the NW, so at least something interesting involves a nakama in there...
If that is Oda stick his 10 crew member exclding Luffy and of course Sunny, but well more crew mem. means more future character development :getlost: I think
maybe some temporary nakama not a crew memeber
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And possibility of a broken log pose but there is also a possibility of some or even one SH having a (extra)log pose most probably Nami
Please show me where the log-pose is broken… I read it in the chapter thread and here once again...
Please show me where the log-pose is broken… I read it in the chapter thread and here once again...
sadly I don't remember where exactly is but Urouge is the one who pointed/hinted about the broken log pose.
I'm still looking for it :ninja:
Please show me where the log-pose is broken… I read it in the chapter thread and here once again...
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1463290&postcount=5631
And possibility of a broken log pose but there is also a possibility of some or even one SH having a (extra)log pose most probably Nami
The point of the concept is not "how can they address and deal with the situation?" and never has been. The question that needs to be considered is "Why did Oda choose to break the log pose in the first place?"
That being said, this isn't the thread for this. Take this conversation to the theories thread. I'll address things there from this point forward.
But Bellamy told me that they break all the time… isn't that worth something?
The fact that Oda established and stressed the importance of being careful with the log poses, and then has the crew successfully navigate the Grand Line for 400+ chapters without their loge pose breaking again makes me think that your "break all the time" isn't worth all that much. Had Crocus said something like "be careful it doesn't break", and they never broke it until, say, 20 chapters later, causing them problems, I would agree, as that foreshadowing served its purpose. But no, Nami makes her comment and it immediately breaks, which only serves as proof that they need to be very careful.
I do not think it broke. Oda just didn't draw it.
Well it is just speculation right now. However, we have had four pages worth of Nami since she was puni'd by Kuma. Of those four pages none of them have shown us a clear view of the log pose, except the one that is clearly lacking the log pose's bubble. It could be coincidence, or it could be intentional. I'm honestly leaning towards coincidence myself, but I think the alternate theory is interesting, and it is certainly worth noting. We won't know until the crew reunites.
Well might be but still no reason in my eyes to go back to AL. Luffy said to more than one character they will see each other again.
And AL has still some stories to resolve… I don't see any
Boa stays Shichibukai as it seems so no danger in the war
Luffy already punched a Tenryuubito straight and I doubt we will see them again as big threat for the crew or Boa
And if Jinbei is with them he knows where fishmen island will be even without log pose.
Well might be but still no reason in my eyes to go back to AL. Luffy said to more than one character they will see each other again.
And AL has still some stories to resolve… I don't see any
Boa stays Shichibukai as it seems so no danger in the war
Luffy already punched a Tenryuubito straight and I doubt we will see them again as big threat for the crew or Boa
And if Jinbei is with them he knows where fishmen island will be even without log pose.
Boa attacked marines-.-. And u know how aikanu will react to that.
That's why still can stand with the other Shichibukais on the marines side.
She herself said… Evrerything she does will be forgotton and most marines think she was beated by Luffy
The fact that Oda established and stressed the importance of being careful with the log poses, and then has the crew successfully navigate the Grand Line for 400+ chapters without their loge pose breaking again makes me think that your "break all the time" isn't worth all that much. Had Crocus said something like "be careful it doesn't break", and they never broke it until, say, 20 chapters later, causing them problems, I would agree, as that foreshadowing served its purpose. But no, Nami makes her comment and it immediately breaks, which only serves as proof that they need to be very careful.
If I put all my time into looking at every single panel with a logpose, will you all just drop this STUPID speculation that FI isn't next…
Because, Urouge wasn't showing us any fact about Oda drawing the logpose correctly every arc from then on, now was he?
If it helps, the emphasis is on the Sunny even more, therefore, the SH crew can't leave the ship.
Or, it forces them to head towards Lola's island...
Whatever it is, it doesn't stop FI and it shouldn't...
The only panel that would prolong FI is the whole idea of Tenryuubito getting revenge and then that would probably have a new rescue arc at Marijoes.
A broken logpose only says "they must get a new one" and nothing else...
Well it is just speculation right now. However, we have had four pages worth of Nami since she was puni'd by Kuma. Of those four pages none of them have shown us a clear view of the log pose, except the one that is clearly lacking the log pose's bubble. It could be coincidence, or it could be intentional. I'm honestly leaning towards coincidence myself, but I think the alternate theory is interesting, and it is certainly worth noting. We won't know until the crew reunites.
Once again, have you looked through all pages prior to that just to see the logpose there drawn perfectly, cause I showed a panel off of volume 20 or something that didn't have it drawn.
Nothing was said.
I'm still thinking that according to what we know, there's nothing there to stop them from FI.
If I put all my time into looking at every single panel with a logpose, will you all just drop this STUPID speculation that FI isn't next…
Because, Urouge wasn't showing us any fact about Oda drawing the logpose correctly every arc from then on, now was he?
If it helps, the emphasis is on the Sunny even more, therefore, the SH crew can't leave the ship.
Or, it forces them to head towards Lola's island...
Whatever it is, it doesn't stop FI and it shouldn't...
The only panel that would prolong FI is the whole idea of Tenryuubito getting revenge and then that would probably have a new rescue arc at Marijoes.
A broken logpose only says "they must get a new one" and nothing else...
Once again, have you looked through all pages prior to that just to see the logpose there drawn perfectly, cause I showed a panel off of volume 20 or something that didn't have it drawn.
Nothing was said.
I'm still thinking that according to what we know, there's nothing there to stop them from FI.
And i don't want to go to AL again.. Wasn't that good… It's time to move on...
Ship is at SA, all SHs will gather there and FI is right below them.... Jinbei knows the way even without log-pot
That's why still can stand with the other Shichibukais on the marines side.
She herself said… Evrerything she does will be forgotton and most marines think she was beated by Luffy
She attacked Smoker…. And Pasifista. Shure that wont be noticed after the war?
The fact that Oda established and stressed the importance of being careful with the log poses, and then has the crew successfully navigate the Grand Line for 400+ chapters without their loge pose breaking again makes me think that your "break all the time" isn't worth all that much. Had Crocus said something like "be careful it doesn't break", and they never broke it until, say, 20 chapters later, causing them problems, I would agree, as that foreshadowing served its purpose. But no, Nami makes her comment and it immediately breaks, which only serves as proof that they need to be very careful.
Well it is just speculation right now. However, we have had four pages worth of Nami since she was puni'd by Kuma. Of those four pages none of them have shown us a clear view of the log pose, except the one that is clearly lacking the log pose's bubble. It could be coincidence, or it could be intentional. I'm honestly leaning towards coincidence myself, but I think the alternate theory is interesting, and it is certainly worth noting. We won't know until the crew reunites.
You know who would make a good addition to the crew? Jinbei.
Ship is at SA, all SHs will gather there and FI is right below them…. Jinbei knows the way even without log-pot
All hail to the log-pot.
And i don't want to go to AL again.. Wasn't that good… It's time to move on...
Ship is at SA, all SHs will gather there and FI is right below them.... Jinbei knows the way even without log-pot
I agree… But to Urouge, it just makes it obvious that a random unknown island is foreshadowed because a "questionable" logpose broke...
Ship is at SA, all SHs will gather there and FI is right below them…. Jinbei knows the way even without log-pot
i think that is not issue,wel from my point of view i don't think is a good idea to stay at Shabondy after the war(i think the Marines know that the ship of Strawhat's is in Shabondy and the Marines that are in SA know that Luffy is in the war i know that Iva and Jinbei can protect Luffy but i don't find a good place at Shakky bar for Luffy to stay with the marines around,and what if Kuma told to Rayleigh that he will save the SH's and to take the ship elsewhere ,after the SH's regroup is best to leave SA but where? that is the point.with Luffy out i don't see they will go to FI
I agree… But to Urouge, it just makes it obvious that a random unknown island is foreshadowed because a "questionable" logpose broke...
true because of broken logpose the chances of another random island is gone up and FI got delayed again. I wish Oda can give use a new glimpse of what FI would look like
true because of broken logpose the chances of another random island is gone up and FI got delayed again. I wish Oda can give use a new glimpse of what FI would look like
Logpose heads towards foreshadowed direction…
NOT ONCE have we basically failed to arrive at our logpose island and then switch to the next.
WP > LG ? DK > SK > SI > LRLI > W7 and now we are on the way towards FI...
--TB came up, that was foreshadowed when the FI was introduced.
--The way to head to FI was explained, but Oda basically didn't want to wait "3" days and decided to prolong the SH crew's stay so he made Admiral and Kuma do what they did...
--Since then, it's always been about returning to SA, not about going to RANDOM X island in the moon or something, not once has he even suggested anything over than SA then FI.
There's nothing currently wrong with the crew, unless Sanji and Usopp have a disease or something and need it cured.
There's nothing holding the crew back, they have no problems currently... And they don't need some random object to head towards FI.
So, it's pretty clear that FI is finally going to happen after this arc, right?
Logpose heads towards foreshadowed direction…
NOT ONCE have we basically failed to arrive at our logpose island and then switch to the next.
WP > LG ? DK > SK > SI > LRLI > W7 and now we are on the way towards FI...
--TB came up, that was foreshadowed when the FI was introduced.
--The way to head to FI was explained, but Oda basically didn't want to wait "3" days and decided to prolong the SH crew's stay so he made Admiral and Kuma do what they did...
--Since then, it's always been about returning to SA, not about going to RANDOM X island in the moon or something, not once has he even suggested anything over than SA then FI.There's nothing currently wrong with the crew, unless Sanji and Usopp have a disease or something and need it cured.
There's nothing holding the crew back, they have no problems currently... And they don't need some random object to head towards FI.
So, it's pretty clear that FI is finally going to happen after this arc, right?
Well FI can also serve as "recovery for the shock arc" to Luffy now now before you quote me about the crew is not going to FI until Lufy is back to normal there could be a twist like Lufy is in coma that even the couldn't do anything about it but there is a hint to cure Luffy that is only to be found in FI. I'm just sayin'
The guys who told Peterman about Caimie were definitely bounty hunters, but you're right about Peterman.
So we've never had bounty hunters that weren't nobodies then - from memory Whiskey Peak & Saobody only had nameless fodder.
Oh yeah those guys were bounty hunters. Told you I forgot some.^^
That's also because they were pretty much forgettable for being nothing more but fodder. I really hope that we'll see at least one strong bounty hunter before the series ends. Personally I still didn't give my hope up that we'll see Daddy Masterson as a canon character at some point. I can dream can't I?^^
Oh yeah those guys were bounty hunters. Told you I forgot some.^^
That's also because they were pretty much forgettable for being nothing more but fodder. I really hope that we'll see at least one strong bounty hunter before the series ends. Personally I still didn't give my hope up that we'll see Daddy Masterson as a canon character at some point. I can dream can't I?^^
We had Don Atchino in the anime, might have a group like them appear around the NW some time?
we all assume that the crew will meet at SA but when marines HQ is destroyed where will their temperary operations home be ….
ive been thinkin it will be right next door at SA because they mentioned tha they have a permanent base there and it wouldnt disrupt much bc its next to where HQ was so whatever system for communication they have in place wouldnt change
all this said i think it might have serious implications on how the crew actually meets up and who would join somebody (silvers)would have to take the sunnny and go back to a nearby island they could meet up their regroup and move on
NOT ONCE have we basically failed to arrive at our logpose island and then switch to the next.
Crew: It's an Eternal Pose to Alabastaaaaa!!! Wahooooooo!! Now we can set sail!!! (Chapter 128)
Nami: Excuse me!! What have you been DOING up here?!
Zoro: Whaddaya mean? I'm keeping the boat moving straight ahead.
Nami: Yes, straight ahead… according to this NEEDLE!! That you have to WATCH!!
Zoro: I don't need to, I'm just heading for the biggest cloud over there…
[…] [So the ship ignored the needle pointing to Alabasta, and went to find a doctor.] […]
Sanji: Don't you think it's been CONSISTENTLY cold lately?
Vivi: It's proof that we're close to an island. Sanji-san, please watch the horizon carefully. There must be a "winter island" nearby. […]
Sanji: And speaking of which… I see it now!! LAND HO!!!
Luffy: An island?!!! Hey, Nami! Great news! An island! You'll get better now!! (Chapters 130 + 132)
^ I think that's why he put a "?" between LG and DK. Either way there isn't much to argue about here if it's this again.
Maybe the broken log pose will be a temporary goal for when they head to FI anyway. So other than the bigger slave plot there's a subplot for getting a log pose. Maybe it's hard to get one since they're humans and Camie and Hatchi(maybe Jimbei too) can't help them get one cuz they were seen with them.
Crew: It's an Eternal Pose to Alabastaaaaa!!! Wahooooooo!! Now we can set sail!!! (Chapter 128)
Nami: Excuse me!! What have you been DOING up here?!
Zoro: Whaddaya mean? I'm keeping the boat moving straight ahead.
Nami: Yes, straight ahead… according to this NEEDLE!! That you have to WATCH!!
Zoro: I don't need to, I'm just heading for the biggest cloud over there…[…] [So the ship ignored the needle pointing to Alabasta, and went to find a doctor.] […]
Sanji: Don't you think it's been CONSISTENTLY cold lately?
Vivi: It's proof that we're close to an island. Sanji-san, please watch the horizon carefully. There must be a "winter island" nearby. […]
Sanji: And speaking of which… I see it now!! LAND HO!!!
Luffy: An island?!!! Hey, Nami! Great news! An island! You'll get better now!! (Chapters 130 + 132)
I put a "?" to show how Oda didn't follow his own plot device and created some loop hole.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
^ I think that's why he put a "?" between LG and DK. Either way there isn't much to argue about here is it's this again.
Maybe the broken log pose will be temporary goal for when they head to FI anyway. So other than the bigger slave plot there's a subplot for getting a log pose. Maybe it's hard to get one since they're humans and Camie and Hatchi(maybe Jimbei too) can't help them get one cuz they were seen with them.
In comes Perona, she could solve this very issue due to her possibly not holding any bounty or getting any attention what so ever that would connect her to the SH crew…
Plus, she seems to Astro Project objects even...
In comes Perona, she could solve this very issue due to her possibly not holding any bounty or getting any attention what so ever that would connect her to the SH crew…
Plus, she seems to Astro Project objects even...
Yeah she could help and it could just be her helping and then she goes on her way.
If we could only get a feel for how Zoro and Perona are interacting from the last time we seen them.
I put a "?" to show how Oda didn't follow his own plot device and created some loop hole.
No plot device, and no loophole. And even if it were, doesn't this refute what you said…?
No plot device, and no loophole. And even if it were, doesn't this refute what you said…?
Not really… They weren't trying to go to Drum Kingdom, it just randomly came up due to forced plot since Nami was sick...
Am I wrong?
Officially, without the introduction of the weather and stuff, there weren't many ways for them to find that island... They looked far and wide for just the sight of it.
They did "find" the direction Alabasta was shown... Did they not?
Then, they've been following the LP ever since then.
yeah~ yeah~ boa did attack the marines~ so what?
that doesn't reveal any reason she will join~~
@sheng:
yeah~ yeah~ boa did attack the marines~ so what?
that doesn't reveal any reason she will join~~
If her title is stripped she isn't going home because there will be absolutely zero ways she can head home. Where than does she go? Doesn't mean she will join but she will at the very minimum stick around through the end of the next arc. Her title getting stripped or not getting stripped is the end all arguement of where she heads. Its not stripped, she heads home only to return at a later time as an ally but not as a crewmember, if it is stripped we are stuck with her and the chances of her joining sky rocket. And she didn't just 'simply' attack the marines, she assaulted an officer whle protecting one of the leading assaulting pirate trying to save Ace AND she took out a ton of pacifista without any real reason. I still don't think thats quite enough but I have a feeling she is going to do something now that Luffy is out for the count as well. It would be against her character at this point if she doesn't at minimum try.
If her title is stripped, she has to politely beg the NW pirates to help her. If they refuse, shame be on her… Should have been a better soldier.
If her title is stripped she isn't going home because there will be absolutely zero ways she can head home. Where than does she go? Doesn't mean she will join but she will at the very minimum stick around through the end of the next arc. Her title getting stripped or not getting stripped is the end all arguement of where she heads. Its not stripped, she heads home only to return at a later time as an ally but not as a crewmember, if it is stripped we are stuck with her and the chances of her joining sky rocket. And she didn't just 'simply' attack the marines, she assaulted an officer whle protecting one of the leading assaulting pirate trying to save Ace AND she took out a ton of pacifista without any real reason. I still don't think thats quite enough but I have a feeling she is going to do something now that Luffy is out for the count as well. It would be against her character at this point if she doesn't at minimum try.
You're saying she's going to attack the marines again? Within the next 3 or 4 chaps? Cuz the curtain is closing on this act and there's no way Sengoku is going to strip her of her title now. So she'd have to do it again for everyone to see.
At the height of this arc's climax with Ace's death and WB's forthcoming death I don't see Oda spiraling us in to a Hancock is in peril due to her own actions and she will accompany the escaping pirates. The time for escaping is now, no time for explanations so that Hancock can come along no questions asked. Only hope for that is if somebody makes the gut decision that she's okay and the only person who could do that is Luffy and I doubt he will in his current state.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
You're saying she's going to attack the marines again? Within the next 3 or 4 chaps? Cuz the curtain is closing on this act and there's no way Sengoku is going to strip her of her title now. So she'd have to do it again for everyone to see.
At the height of this arc's climax with Ace's death and WB's forthcoming death I don't see Oda spiraling us in to a Hancock is in peril due to her own actions and she will accompany the escaping pirates. The time for escaping is now, no time for explanations so that Hancock can come along no questions asked. Only hope for that is if somebody makes the gut decision that she's okay and the only person who could do that is Luffy and I doubt he will in his current state.
We really don't know what we are going to get next chapter. Most (including myself) are assuming a timeskip next chapter because of Luffy passing out. However there are a ton of different ways Oda can approach the next several chapters and it IS outside of Hancocks character, the way she has been percieved thus far, to just stand still if Luffy is clearly outside the realm of helping himself. Lets wait and see is all im asking. Even im aware all the stuff she has done may not inquire a strip of her title yet, its all up to Oda where he wants to go with the story.
