I can prove this wrong in one sentence: I don't want Sentomaru to join! :P
So you are enjoying the party here? Post! Reply! Post! Reply! At the end of the day "well i don't really care" :) It's always the same :)
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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So you are enjoying the party here? Post! Reply! Post! Reply! At the end of the day "well i don't really care" :) It's always the same :)
No, I don't enjoy it. Just as with everybody else in this forum I'm only posting and replying here because somebody is pointing a gun at my head.
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Crocodile is definitely going to join. It's that or Jinbei.
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No, I don't enjoy it. Just as with everybody else in this forum I'm only posting and replying here because somebody is pointing a gun at my head. http://www.joker.si/mn3njalnik/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes_proper.gif
There is no need to explain to a user how someone joining or not joining isn't an algorithm which answers with "yes" or "no" when you throw a name in. You can see a pattern when you simplify things but is that the ultimative answer?
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The next friend can be everyonw who proved himself worthy enough to join the crew. At the end luffy decide. It can be everyone or noone. Every page we see more theories about who might join…. These theories are built around the hope "i really want him to join cause i love him so much". After some discussion the fanboys or fangirls mainly end with "it's my opinion and i can really see him join"...
I didn't learn anything from this thread and i always see the same lines. My conclusion is that this thread is contra productive a and a waste of time. The only real argument people have is "i want him to join". Therefore this thread is a party thread.
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ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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And the argument is? Omega? Surely a disturbing variable you choose here…
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There is no need to explain to a user how someone joining or not joining isn't an algorithm which answers with "yes" or "no" when you throw a name in. You can see a pattern when you simplify things but is that the ultimative answer?
Wouldn't in that case the best solution for you be to just stay out of it and let people discuss things they feel a need to talk about?
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16 chars of Indeed.
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That's still not why he chased after him. It's his duty as a Marine to capture pirates and that's exactly why he's hunting Luffy.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/23/ shows that Smoker is actually going against his duty by chasing Luffy. Whether he's doing it because his ego was damaged or because he sees something in Luffy is up to debate.
There is no need to explain to a user how someone joining or not joining isn't an algorithm which answers with "yes" or "no" when you throw a name in. You can see a pattern when you simplify things but is that the ultimative answer?
Ultimative answer? Don't you see that the word "speculation" is in the thread title? Your argument is anti-speculation. If you really hate speculation so much, I suggest avoiding all threads that feature that word.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/23/ shows that Smoker is actually going against his duty by chasing Luffy. Whether he's doing it because his ego was damaged or because he sees something in Luffy is up to debate.
The difference between a foot soldier and one who gives the commands is that the latter doesn't blindly follow orders but adapts to the situation. I'm not saying that his ego didn't play a part here but with chasing after Luffy he'd still be doing his duties as a Marine officer without blindly following orders.
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I can tell you all right now….. whether or not Jimbei joins or not, Luffy wants him...... Luffy thinks he is cool awesome amazing etc. Whenever Luffy sees someone like this... he wants that person to join. I think Oda chose to make that the last part of the recent chapter for a good reason. It wasn't just to show Luffy's reaction to his moves. One of the main reasons I think people find it hard to decide who they think will join is for one simple reason. Luffy hasn't really loked at a lot of these characters and thought OMG HE/SHES SO FREAKIN' COOL!!!!! Luffy now thinks that way about Jimbei. In my mind, that simple factor now puts Jimbei's chances at a very high place compared to a lot of the other choices.
I am NOT saying that Jimbei will join. In my opinion, that is a decision made on Jimbei's character and personality. He would be a great asset yes, but, that doesn't mean he will say yes. As some have mentioned, he may not have a real reason to want to join the crew let alone be under anyone since he is a Shichibukai. Jimbei may not even be remotely interested in joining. But that doesn't change the idea that Luffy probably wants him to join now.
All I'm saying is this, I think there is a good chance Jimbei will at least be asked by Luffy to join the Straw Hats.
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The difference between a foot soldier and one who gives the commands is that the latter doesn't blindly follow orders but adapts to the situation. I'm not saying that his ego didn't play a part here but with chasing after Luffy he'd still be doing his duties as a Marine officer without blindly following orders.
So you want to differentiate between duty and following orders for a marine, from what I can tell. He's perminantly abandoning his post for this, which is fairly serious for the dude in charge. But I want to throw a different angle at you. Buggy, Alvida, and Dragon all caused more problems for that town than Luffy, and Smoker isn't after any of the three of them. Can you explain that one?
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I am NOT saying that Jimbei will join. In my opinion, that is a decision made on Jimbei's character and personality. He would be a great asset yes, but, that doesn't mean he will say yes. As some have mentioned, he may not have a real reason to want to join the crew let alone be under anyone since he is a Shichibukai. Jimbei may not even be remotely interested in joining. But that doesn't change the idea that Luffy probably wants him to join now.
All I'm saying is this, I think there is a good chance Jimbei will at least be asked by Luffy to join the Straw Hats.
Now this I can agree on! Jimbei is way too serious to actually join, but awesome enough for Luffy to at least ask.
However, judging by who Luffy could want to join for various reasons, we also have Perona (since he wants to capture her ghosts), Mr. 2 (Obvious) and Mr. 3 (Candle Armor anyone? Luffy was so thankful he even cried.)
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So you want to differentiate between duty and following orders for a marine, from what I can tell. He's perminantly abandoning his post for this, which is fairly serious for the dude in charge.
As I said, higher ranked soldiers have the privilege of moving more independently in order to still serve their purpose. It's the final result that matters in the end. If their dicisions lead to success they most probably will be rewarded/promoted, if they fail they usually get demoted. Seeing it that he didn't get demoted so far I'd say that the HQ has accepted whatever reasoning he gave them.
But I want to throw a different angle at you. Buggy, Alvida, and Dragon all caused more problems for that town than Luffy, and Smoker isn't after any of the three of them. Can you explain that one?
I believe I can. You can't hunt several different targets at the same time. You have to go one by one. And apparently Smoker decided to put main priority on Luffy (IMO because he understood that Luffy is much more dangerous person then it appears at first sight). If however he would have chosen to chase after Buggy, Alvida or Dragon instead then it would still mean that he'd have to leave his position at Loguetown behind if necessary. The situation doesn't change, only the targets would be different.
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I believe I can. You can't hunt several different targets at the same time. You have to go one by one. And apparently Smoker decided to chase after Luffy (IMO because he understood that Luffy is much more dangerous person then it appears at first sight). If however he would have chosen to chase after Buggy, Alvida or Dragon instead then he'd also leave his position at Loguetown behind if necessary. The situation doesn't change, only the targets would be different.
Buggy and Alvida had already been captured. Smoker didn't know they escaped. Dragon, in his turn, is probably too powerful for Smoker to capture. We never got to know what happened there, did we? :wassat:
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Buggy and Alvida had already been captured. Smoker didn't know they escaped. Dragon, in his turn, is probably too powerful for Smoker to capture. We never got to know what happened there, did we? :wassat:
He did know they escaped. One of his men reported that to him.
As far as Dragon is concerned. That is only speculation from my part but I think Smoker never even considered capturing Dragon being an option. Just look at Arabasta, where he confronted Ace. He was fully aware who Ace was and yet he was fully ready to capture such a notorious pirate (he might have known that Ace is just a wuss though). But with Dragon on the other hand he didn't show any behaviour of that sort. It's up in the air if he did it because a) he sympathisizes with Dragon or b) he simply knew that he had zero chances of stopping him. But the fact remains that he never even attempted to stop him. Heck, he even chit chatted with him at the end of the chapter instead of making any attempt to capture him.
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Luffy wants him…... Luffy thinks he is cool awesome amazing etc.
I'm confident enough to bet money that Luffy never asks or thinks about asking Jinbei to join. Expressing how cool you think someone is, is not an indication that they have a desire for that person to be on the crew.
How many times has he commented on something Mr. 3 has done to be cool.amazing/awesome(all words I'd assume the translators choose). I'd guess to you he'd wants Mr. 3 as well?
As far as actual nakama material the only person who has shown that is Bentham but I really don't think he's joining for obvious reasons. We'll see a similar good-bye to Alabasta.
I really doubt anyone shown so far from this ID arc will be joining.
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Smoker started chasing Luffy for no other reason but him being a pirate. He didn't abandon his position because of any sort of interest in Luffy but because he never let an pirate escape.
This was your original quote. It sounds to me like you don't really believe that. If it was no other reason than him being a pirate and never having let a pirate escape before, it'd make far more sense for him to attempt to capture Buggy and Alvida before they could get to the Grand Line. He could pursue Luffy after that.
The fact that he seemingly doesn't give two shits about Buggy and Alvida is what I think really throws a wrench in this statement.
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This was your original quote. It sounds to me like you don't really believe that. If it was no other reason than him being a pirate and never having let a pirate escape before, it'd make far more sense for him to attempt to capture Buggy and Alvida before they could get to the Grand Line. He could pursue Luffy after that.
The fact that he seemingly doesn't give two shits about Buggy and Alvida is what I think really throws a wrench in this statement.
I don't see how any of that means that I don't believe me original quote. Smoker simply has to chose one crew to follow first since he can't follow two different crews simultaneously. And if he considers Luffy to be a bigger danger than Buggy/Alvida then it makes sense for him to chase Luffy first. If you chase one, the other will use that time for his escape. And from a strategic point of view it's a better option to not give Luffy any time to breathe then Buggy/Alvida who can be considered as easy prey. So yeah, my original point still stands.
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I don't see how any of that means that I don't believe me original quote. Smoker simply has to chose one crew to follow first since he can't follow two different crews simultaneously. And if he considers Luffy to be a bigger danger than Buggy/Alvida then it makes sense for him to chase Luffy first. If you chase one, the other will use that time for his escape. And from a strategic point of view it's a better option to not give Luffy any time to breathe then Buggy/Alvida who can be considered as easy prey. So yeah, my original point still stands.
Smoker said that he would have to go to the Grand Line to chase Luffy while he was still standing in Loguetown. If that's not a successful escape, I don't know what is (Buggy and Alvida had not escaped yet). It's not like Smoker is going to be on Luffy's heels, since the Marines enter through the Calm Belt. Doing that, he knew that he would have no clue which path Luffy would take from Reverse Mountain (and he didn't). Because of that he had to hang out in the Grand Line waiting until the marine intelligence managed to intercept a transmission with his name.
No matter how I look at it, Smoker simply stopped caring about Buggy and Alvida at all after Luffy escaped Loguetown. If not, he'd use his downtime to go after them.
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Smoker said that he would have to go to the Grand Line to chase Luffy while he was still standing in Loguetown. If that's not a successful escape, I don't know what is.
What do you expect the guy to do? He can't just change into his Superman costume and pursue the Strawhats straight away. He needs to get his ship ready to follow them, which is exactly what he was telling his subordinates to do. If he would have said let's drink tea and set sail tomorrow I would agree with you. But that's obviously not how it happened. Cut the guy some slack. He started to follow them as fast as possible for him.
Buggy and Alvida had not escaped yet.
Apparently they just did. It all happened while he was focusing on Luffy, so it's not like he knew where they were.
It's not like Smoker is going to be on Luffy's heels, since the Marines enter through the Calm Belt. Doing that, he knew that he would have no clue which path Luffy would take from Reverse Mountain (and he didn't). Because of that he had to hang out in the Grand Line waiting until the marine intelligence managed to intercept a transmission with his name.
I'm affraid I don't really capture your point here.
No matter how I look at it, Smoker simply stopped care about Buggy and Alvida at all after Luffy escaped Loguetown. If not, he'd use his downtime to go after them.
Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree here then. To me it's simply him chosing priorities of which Luffy was a higher priority then Buggy and Alvida.
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What do you expect the guy to do? He can't just change into his Superman costume and pursue the Strawhats straight away. He needs to get his ship ready to follow them, which is exactly what he was telling his subordinates to do. If he would have said let's drink tea and set sail tomorrow I would agree with you. But that's obviously not how it happened. Cut the guy some slack. He started to follow them as fast as possible for him.
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I'm affraid I don't really capture your point here.I expect him to realize that time is not a crucial element in pursuing Luffy at that point. If he admits that Luffy can make it to the Grand Line, he should wrap up any local business that he can before he leaves. Recapturing Buggy and Alvida is primarily what I'm referring to.
Apparently they just did. It all happened while he was focusing on Luffy, so it's not like he knew where they were.
I took that to mean that they escaped from their nets. If you look on the next page, you'll see that they're still at the docks. Smoker should have had time to recapture them before they left town if he focused on it when he realized Luffy was going to make it to the Grand Line.
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Okay guys, when you thought I said 'Jinbei was racist', I in fact, did not intend to say that. Whatever I may've said, was trying to say that, in calling Jinbei a 'monster' it would be racist towards him. Yeah?
Ctarlong, I apologise one thousand times when I say that, 'your russian formalism has failed you' - when I say 'prefer' or 'opinion' it's merely in my attempt to be polite, I'm hedging around what I believe to be the truth (because this is only healthy speculation - It's not happened yet, so it's not yet fact.), I'm english, that's just what we do.
Bon-Chan is strong, right? But is he Jinbei-level? No. Is he Luffy level? No. Would it be also safe to predict that without an epic power upgrade like 'Diable Jambe', he's not even Sanji level, anymore? I would say so. He'd Brooke or Franky level. I feel that's a fair estimate. So he would NOT be a member of the Monster Trio/Quartet, he'd be part of the SH's middle tier in strength of Brooke, Franky and Robin.
EDIT: Oda's blatantly not down with the 'racism's cool so long as everyone's alright with it' scene. He wants to get the message across that racism's bad, even in moderation. Because it is, but it also helps happily with his 'Fishman struggle' thing he's got going on, no end.
Anyway racism does suck dick. The BNP are all wankers.
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I expect him to realize that time is not a crucial element in pursuing Luffy at that point. If he admits that Luffy can make it to the Grand Line, he should wrap up any local business that he can before he leaves. Recapturing Buggy and Alvida is primarily what I'm referring to.
As I said, if they really are that inferior then every second you waste on them gives Luffy more time to escape. For small fry it might not be that much of a big deal but for capturing the more dangerous guys every single second counts. And Smoker probably figured out what kind of person Luffy might be with that "he's just like Roger" scene.
I took that to mean that they escaped from their nets. If you look on the next page, you'll see that they're still at the docks. Smoker should have had time to recapture them before they left town if he focused on it when he realized Luffy was going to make it to the Grand Line.
Obviously it means that they also left the field because they'd be rather dumb if they'd only escape from the nets but not use the time to hide well.
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Even so, I don't see Sentoumaru joining. Though, I see him being revealed as a D.
I would go with the voice actor argument against him, but I won't. That doesn't have anything to do with the manga. Instead, I'll talk about obecity (no offense).
Mr.2, Mr.3, Buggy, Perona, Inazuma or(/and) an unknown mermaid seem way more likely in my opinion.
Hmmm I believe Sentoumaru's VA (Kazue Ikura) only did the substitution voice for Chopper when Ikue Otani took a maternity leave.
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As I said, if they really are that inferior then every second you waste on them gives Luffy more time to escape. For small fry it might not be that much of a big deal but for capturing the more dangerous guys every single second counts. And Smoker probably figured out what kind of person Luffy might be with that "he's just like Roger" scene.
Ok, you're missing my one big main point that drives all of this. That point is that Smoker already resigned himself to the fact that Luffy escaped, and no more time was needed. What does the word "escape" mean to you exactly? You say that Luffy needs more time to escape when he's away in a ship, but Buggy and Alvida escape just by getting out of their nets (pardon me, and the field). To me, getting away from the island into Reverse Mountain with nobody in pursuit is a successful escape. So I'm talking about after Smoker admitted that Luffy escaped, and before he left for the Grand Line to search for them (while Buggy and Alvida were still in the city and could be easily found and captured).
Obviously it means that they also left the field because they'd be rather dumb if they'd only escape from the nets but not use the time to hide well.
Sure they left the field, but they didn't leave the island. Their ship should have still been there, so I don't think the Marines suspected them of leaving the island yet, either.
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Ok, you're missing my one big main point that drives all of this. That point is that Smoker already resigned himself to the fact that Luffy escaped, and no more time was needed. What does the word "escape" mean to you exactly? You say that Luffy needs more time to escape when he's away in a ship, but Buggy and Alvida escape just by getting out of their nets. To me, getting away from the island into Reverse Mountain with nobody in pursuit is a successful escape. So I'm talking about after Smoker admitted that Luffy escaped, and before he left for the Grand Line to search for them.
I think you focus too much on this "when do you speak of (successful) escape" matter. Point is Luffy ran away and Smoker decided to chase him because he is his main focus at that point. It really isn't more complex than that.
Sure the left the field, but they didn't leave the island. Their ship should have still been there, so I don't think the Marines suspected them of leaving the island yet, either.
You make it seem as if Smoker and his men literally have every single inch of Loguetown under their control and know everything that happens there.
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I think you focus too much on this "when do you speak of (successful) escape" matter. Point is Luffy ran away and Smoker decided to chase him because he is his main focus at that point. It really isn't more complex than that.
You make it seem as if Smoker and his men literally have every single inch of Loguetown under their control and know everything that happens there.
Point is that this isn't the point of the thread but it seems you can't stop.
Maybe no one will join. Who knows.
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I think you focus too much on this "when do you speak of (successful) escape" matter. Point is Luffy ran away and Smoker decided to chase him because he is his main focus at that point. It really isn't more complex than that.
I'm sorry that I'm focusing on the huge error in your logic? That wont go away just because you wish it to.
Your quote, to me, sounds like you admit that you don't keep a consistant meaning behind a word and are now trying to play it down. My point is that he chose to go to the Grand Line to search for a pirate whose exact location was unknown after he was informed that Buggy and Alvida escaped custody and were loose in the city. However, you've made it very difficult for me to make that point because you change the meaning of your words to suit your argument.
You make it seem as if Smoker and his men literally have every single inch of Loguetown under their control and know everything that happens there.
He sent a unit to the port well ahead of Buggy (even after it started raining), so they should at least be able to find a ship.
I wonder now why I've spent so much time arguing this point. We did seem to diverge off topic a bit.
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I'm sorry that I'm focusing on the huge error in your logic? That wont go away just because you wish it to.
Your quote, to me, sounds like you admit that you don't keep a consistant meaning behind a word and are now trying to play it down. My point is that he chose to go to the Grand Line to search for a pirate whose exact location was unknown after he was informed that Buggy and Alvida escaped custody and were loose in the city. However, you've made it very difficult for me to make that point because you change the meaning of your words to suit your argument.
He sent a unit to the port well ahead of Buggy (even after it started raining), so they should at least be able to find a ship.
I wonder now why I've spent so much time arguing this point. We did seem to diverge off topic a bit.
Yeah we have to pay attention to Jimbei once again after Ivotas mocked me about Sanji
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Point is that this isn't the point of the thread but it seems you can't stop.
Point is that this is how talkbacks in forums work. If you don't like the discussion feel free to stay out of it. I for my part find the talkback with Urouge rather interesting so far.
I'm sorry that I'm focusing on the huge error in your logic? That wont go away just because you wish it to.
Your quote, to me, sounds like you admit that you don't keep a consistant meaning behind a word and are now trying to play it down. My point is that he chose to go to the Grand Line to search for a pirate whose exact location was unknown after he was informed that Buggy and Alvida escaped custody and were loose in the city. However, you've made it very difficult for me to make that point because you change the meaning of your words to suit your argument.
The thing is that I don't get where you see the error. My point is, was and will be that Smoker confronted Luffy because it is his job as a Marine officer. Not more not less. Feel free to explain to me where I screwed up. I'm not saying that I didn't screw up. I just don't see it.
I wonder now why I've spent so much time arguing this point. We did seem to diverge off topic a bit.
Lol, it all started when I said that Sentomaru didn't strike as an evil guy as Kishido see's him. I just used Smoker and Kuzan as other examples of Marines that confronted the Strawhats without any kind of evil intention.
Yeah we have to pay attention to Jimbei once again after Ivotas mocked me about Sanji
It's not Sanji that's the problem it's your fangasming that's annoying. And right now it appears that you've simply switched the character but not your annoying fangasming so basically the same problem persists.
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Point is that this is how talkbacks in forums work. If you don't like the discussion feel free to stay out of it. I for my part find the talkback with Urouge rather interesting so far.
The thing is that I don't get where you see the error. My point is, was and will be that Smoker confronted Luffy because it is his job as a Marine officer. Not more not less. Feel free to explain to me where I screwed up. I'm not saying that I didn't screw up. I just don't see it.
Lol, it all started when I said that Sentomaru didn't strike as an evil guy as Kishido see's him. I just used Smoker and Kuzan as other examples of Marines that confronted the Strawhats without any kind of evil intention.
It's not Sanji that's the problem it's your fangasming that's annoying. And right now it appears that you've simply switched the character but not your annoying fangasming so basically the same problem persists.
You don't get it :wassat: Well Mr. Ivotas you're annoying in my eyes.
Smoker = Always saw something interesting in Luffy
Ao Kiji = interested in Luffy and RobinSentoumaru jsut was the dog of Ki Zaru and never shows anything until yet. Rest is speculation.
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You don't get it :wassat: Well Mr. Ivotas you're annoying in my eyes.
Take a number and wait in line. At least I'm not spamming this forums with fangasms.
Smoker = Always saw something interesting in Luffy
No he didn't and there's proof for that in the manga. His original reason for confronting Luffy was because he received the report that pirates are in the city so he went to capture Luffy because it was his regular job. There was no other interest involved in this at point. What happens later is a different story. But what matters for his comparison to Sentomaru is the movitation for the first encounter.
Sentoumaru jsut was the dog of Ki Zaru and never shows anything until yet. Rest is speculation.
You've got a funny definition of dog then. I didn't see Kizaru tell Sentomaru a single time what he had to do. The other way around however Sentomaru did scold Kizaru.
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Beeing considered annoying by you only confirms me in my ways.
No he didn't and there's proof for that in the manga. His original reason for confronting Luffy was because he received the report that pirates are in the city so he went to capture Luffy because it was his regular job. There was no other interest involved in this at point. What happens later is a different story. But what matters for his comparison to Sentomaru is the movitation for the first encounter.
You've got a funny definition of dog then. I didn't see Kizaru tell Sentomaru a single time what he had to do. The other way around however Sentomaru did scold Kizaru.
Smoker:
In the same Logue town arc he was introduced Smoker showed us some interest after seeing Luffy cuz of his Roger smile.Well but FOR ME ir seems that he very well was aware that Ki Zaru is above him. And like you will say it. I'm not wrong. I'am right.
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The thing is that I don't get where you see the error. My point is, was and will be that Smoker confronted Luffy because it is his job as a Marine officer. Not more not less. Feel free to explain to me where I screwed up. I'm not saying that I didn't screw up. I just don't see it.
Ok. The error is in your meaning of the word escape, you need to pick one and stick with it.
Here you say that Buggy and Alvida successfully escaped:
@Ivotas:Apparently they just did.
And here you imply that Luffy still hasn't successfully escaped (while he's much farther in the process):
@Ivotas:As I said, if they really are that inferior then every second you waste on them gives Luffy more time to escape.
There are many choices of quotes that I could have picked to illustrate this. I just picked the first I saw for each party involved. That's why I ask you what it takes before you consider an "escape" to have taken place. You avoided the question last time.
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In the same Logue town arc he was introduced Smoker showed us some interest after seeing Luffy cuz of his Roger smile.
No offense but do you really not get what I mean when I say "his original reason for confronting Luffy"? It means that Smoker wanted to capture Luffy before the Roger's smile situation happened.
Well but FOR ME ir seems that he very well was aware that Ki Zaru is above him. And like you will say it. I'm not wrong. I'am right.
Of course he is aware. The pure rank shows that one is an Admiral and the other's a Captain. But he is not what would be considered a dog because he doesn't seem to be licking his superiors balls.
Ok. The error is in your meaning of the word escape, you need to pick one and stick with it…
Ahh, now I see what you mean. Well yeah, you're definitely right that front and there is no point for me to argue that. But what I still don't get is how that changes my main point that Smoker is doing his job when he's chasing Luffy.
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Smoker:
In the same Logue town arc he was introduced Smoker showed us some interest after seeing Luffy cuz of his Roger smile.And you said "he always saw something interesting in luffy". Which is wrong since smoker when he first saw luffy on that wanted paper just tried to catch him because it is his job. He wasn't interested in anything else besides catching him because he is a pirate. He was surprised by luffy smiling on the verge of death but that's not what he thought when he tried to catch luffy the first time. So your sentence is wrong.
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Ahh, now I see what you mean. Well yeah, you're definitely right that front and there is no point for me to argue that. But what I still don't get is how that changes my main point that Smoker is doing his job when he's chasing Luffy.
If I can get you to admit that Luffy managed to escape and Buggy didn't, then the rest of my argument will fall into place.
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If I can get you to admit that Luffy managed to escape and Buggy didn't, then the rest of my argument will fall into place.
Why should I admit that if both weren't captured? And you might wanna refresh what your main argument against Smoker doing his job as a Marine was because right now I'm a tad confused to figure it out myself. =/
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Why should I admit that if both weren't captured? And you might wanna refresh what your main argument against Smoker doing his job as a Marine was because right now I'm a tad confused to figure it out myself. =/
I'm doing my best to force you into that, but I've been unsuccessful in getting you to tell me what your meaning of escape is. My point is that Luffy made it away from the island to the point where they didn't know where he was, while at the same time Buggy and Alvida were still in the city.
Your original statement was something along the lines of how Smoker only went after Luffy out of duty because he was a pirate who escaped him. My argument is that if that was his way of thinking, he would have recaptured Buggy and Alvida before leaving Loguetown.
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I'm doing my best to force you into that, but I've been unsuccessful in getting you to tell me what your meaning of escape is. My point is that Luffy made it away from the island to the point where they didn't know where he was, while at the same time Buggy and Alvida were still in the city.
Lol, you could have requested that directly then without trying to force it out subliminal.^^ I can tell you what you want to know. I understand an escape as trying to flee from someone who either a) tries to capture you or b) has captured you (in which case you have to break out first before you can flee). And once you get that far that your hunter/chaser has no chance of catching you the escape has been successful.
Your original statement was something along the lines of how Smoker only went after Luffy out of duty because he was a pirate who escaped him. My argument is that if that was his way of thinking, he would have recaptured Buggy and Alvida before leaving Loguetown.
As I just said above my main focus was on his original intention to capture Luffy which was about just his Marine duties. After all, before the Roger's smile scene Luffy, Buggy, Alvida and company were more or less all the same to him, which is why he wanted to capture everyone.
But later on two crucial things happened: 1) The Roger's smile thing that picked Smokers personal interest in Luffy. 2) The fact that the worlds worst criminal himself stopped Smoker from capturing Luffy. Both are no minor things that just happen on the fly so of course they occupy Smokers thoughts. And by then Luffy seemed much more of a bigger fish then Buggy, so chasing Luffy strikes as main priority.
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And you said "he always saw something interesting in luffy". Which is wrong since smoker when he first saw luffy on that wanted paper just tried to catch him because it is his job. He wasn't interested in anything else besides catching him because he is a pirate. He was surprised by luffy smiling on the verge of death but that's not what he thought when he tried to catch luffy the first time. So your sentence is wrong.
Well that's right. But after seeing Luffy and his smile he seems interested in him. He has a special relationship now to Luffy. Same for Ao Kiji who is intersted in Robin and personally attached in Luffy in some way.
But saying it could be that Sentoumaru will join (Even if Ivotas didn't mean that) is a bit fas stretched and a bigger no-go as saying Perona, Jimbei or Boa will join. If yes you can say that Ki Zaru will join. That is just my point. He just do his task and nothing more.
You can agree that Sentoumaru never showed us till yet even a single action which would believe he will join. That's the reason I'm not seeing the reason to talk about him.
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You guys are missing the point. The reason that Smoker is chasing Luffy now is that he is one of 2 pirates that ever escaped his grasp.
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Yeah but he have some special interest in Luffy. He even let him escape. That shows that he isn't just seeing him as mere pirate.
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But saying it could be that Sentoumaru will join (Even if Ivotas didn't mean that) is a bit fas stretched and a bigger no-go as saying Perona, Jimbei or Boa will join. If yes you can say that Ki Zaru will join. That is just my point. He just do his task and nothing more.
If you don't see it, fine. But don't call it far fetched since even a guy like Franky, who at his first encounters with the Strawhats did far worse stuff to them then Sentomaru still joined later on.
And I'm not trying to convince you that he will join. I'm just saying he definitely did nothing that classifies him as evil. And from the first encounter perspective he simply is no different then Smoker.
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If you don't see it, fine. But don't call it far fetched since even a guy like Franky, who at his first encounters with the Strawhats did far worse stuff to them then Sentomaru still joined later on.
And I'm not trying to convince you that he will join. I'm just saying he definitely did nothing that classifies him as evil. And from the first encounter perspective he simply is no different then Smoker.
You throw Sentoumaru in for no reason. And saying that Jimbei, Boa and Co are as much likely as Sentoumaru is wrong. I would say the same about Franky in the past. But Sentoumaru isn't showed now like Franky it was a whole arc.
And you didn't have a single hint why he could join… Cuz there isn't one. But maybe later on if you are lucky with that.
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wow off topic! :]
Im gonna throw this in and say luffy asks both! hancock and Jimbei to become a Strawhat :)
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Lol, you could have requested that directly then without trying to force it out subliminal.^^ I can tell you what you want to know. I understand an escape as trying to flee from someone who either a) tries to capture you or b) has captured you (in which case you have to break out first before you can flee). And once you get that far that your hunter/chaser has no chance of catching you the escape has been successful.
I did: @Urouge:
What does the word "escape" mean to you exactly?
Followed by several posts about how you were avoiding the question. Thank you for finally answering it.
As I just said above my main focus was on his original intention to capture Luffy which was about just his Marine duties. After all, before the Roger's smile scene Luffy, Buggy, Alvida and company were more or less all the same to him, which is why he wanted to capture everyone.
But later on two crucial things happened: 1) The Roger's smile thing that picked Smokers personal interest in Luffy. 2) The fact that the worlds worst criminal himself stopped Smoker from capturing Luffy. Both are no minor things that just happen on the fly so of course they occupy Smokers thoughts. And by then Luffy seemed much more of a bigger fish then Buggy, so chasing Luffy strikes as main priority.
I refer you again to your original quote which I had a problem with:
@Ivotas:Smoker started chasing Luffy for no other reason but him being a pirate. He didn't abandon his position because of any sort of interest in Luffy but because he never let an pirate escape.
True that Smoker's view of Luffy changed a bit later on. But hey, that was several arcs later. Same could happen to Sentomaru at one point. Comparing by first encounters though Smoker and Sentomaru treat Luffy in the same manner.
You stated that Smoker only started chasing Luffy because he was a pirate, and had no additional interest in him at the time (you then say that it occured at a later time). You contradict yourself in a later post by saying that he viewed Luffy to be more dangerous than Buggy and Alvida, which is why he prioritized Luffy's capture by so much. Basically you admit that he did have more of an interest in Luffy than just being an escaped pirate, an interest which came from Luffy's smile.
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You throw Sentoumaru in for no reason. And saying that Jimbei, Boa and Co are as much likely as Sentoumaru is wrong. I would say the same about Franky in the past. But Sentoumaru isn't showed now like Franky it was a whole arc.
And you didn't have a single hint why he could join… Cuz there isn't one. But maybe later on if you are lucky with that.
Clicky clicky. I'm curious how you'll be trying to talk yourself out of this one.^^
I did:
Followed by several posts about how you were avoiding the question. Thank you for finally answering it.Yeah, sorry for not doing it right away. It was a bit confusing for me on that front.
You stated that Smoker only started chasing Luffy because he was a pirate, and had no additional interest in him at the time (you then say that it occured at a later time). You contradict yourself in a later post by saying that he viewed Luffy to be more dangerous than Buggy and Alvida, which is why he prioritized Luffy's capture by so much. Basically you admit that he did have more of an interest in Luffy than just being an escaped pirate, an interest which came from Luffy's smile.
Well, screw ups like that happen when you try writing up something quick in your third language. So without getting even more confusing I'll repeat that my main point was that Smoker's very first reason for confronting Luffy was because it is his job as a Marine officer. Sorry for the confusion.
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Clicky clicky. I'm curious how you'll be trying to talk yourself out of this one.^^
Yeah, sorry for not doing it right away. It was a bit confusing for me on that front.
Well, screw ups like that happen when you try writing up something quick in your third language. So without getting even more confusing I'll repeat that my main point was that Smoker's very first reason for confronting Luffy was because it is his job as a Marine officer. Sorry for the confusion.
This.
I still say that Sentomaru is more likely to join than Jinbei.
Go one page back from your link.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=21067&page=90
You mentioned Sentoumaru 1st here
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1025746#post1025746
I just say Sentoumaru is more unlikely than Jimbei and Co.
