Perhaps someone mentioned this and I apologize if it has been brought up, but even though we don't know much about it at this point, doesn't the Perfect Clima Tact hold incredible potential for Nami standing on even ground in a battle with certain Logia types?
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Logia types? Hell no. But she should be able to hold her own now, and I'm dying to see what it can do.
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maybe a bigger flower or boxing glove will pop out?
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Originally posted by TheTalentedMr.Sanji@Jun 6 2005, 12:19 PM
Logia types? Hell no. But she should be able to hold her own now, and I'm dying to see what it can do.
[snapback]64594[/snapback]Hell, I can see her possibly kicking some logia ass with this. Maybe Crocodile or even Aokiji (if the heatballs are stronger). I'm guessing one of the dials on there is a Heat Dial at least, probably a Breeze Dial too.
But I'm anxious to see how she uses it. I hope we don't get another fight full of joke attacks, that was funny the first time but it'll just be painful this time.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter+Jun 6 2005, 12:30 PM–>QUOTE(Cap'n Carter @ Jun 6 2005, 12:30 PM)
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I doubt that she could actually to anything against logia type users. Actually logia type users could pretty easily turn the weapon against her quite obviously because logia users are able to CONTROL one specific element while Nami is only able to USE it to a certain extent.
Other then that, shouldn´t this thread be in the general section?
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Nah. It's speculating on something that's going to happen in the manga rather soon.
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It seems just a boosted version of it but guess there could be a few hidden surprises, at least I hope so. Anyway, it's great for Nami, a little twist for her character and something to look forward to.
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Well, the question about using the Clima tact agianst Logia users would be this… "What is the nature of the Logia's power?" Rmember, Luffy could only beat Eneru because his rubber body was a natural counter to Eneru's lightining powers. You would have think the same way about the Clima tact.
And I do think that it will be stronger, and even if it does have more party tricks, Nami still knows the basics, and should be able to improvise from there
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Originally posted by Onigumo@Jun 6 2005, 07:32 PM
Well, the question about using the Clima tact agianst Logia users would be this… "What is the nature of the Logia's power?" Rmember, Luffy could only beat Eneru because his rubber body was a natural counter to Eneru's lightining powers. You would have think the same way about the Clima tact.
[snapback]64635[/snapback]OK how the hell could I ignore that fact? It seems that today really isn´t a good day for me to discuss One Piece.
You´re right Onigumo. Until I read your post I understood the discussion like this that Nami could for instance use a fire attack on a Ace, or an ice attack on Aokiji and therefore she wouldn´t have any chance because the other´s control elements.
But if she is to use a fire attack against Aokiji or an ice attack against Ace then the situation looks completely different. While I do think that no matter how much stronger the clima tact gets she´d still have no chance to cause serious trouble to the likes of Ace and Aokiji. Actually it would request Luffy´s fighting skills in combination with the clima tact to take down those two just like Nami wouldn´t have had any chance against Crocodile no matter how much water she would have had at her help.
But if Nami would have to fight a logia type user with the fighting skill of Miss Doublefinger then she could definitely defeat such an opponent. I´m pretty sure of that. :D
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Maybe against Aikoji or Ace… I mean she does have elemental powers just like them with that weapon and her battle with...that Baroque woman was awesome but she should maybe learn how to use a weapon before she fights with it...:(
Also, what kind of idiot makes a weapon with "party tricks"?
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im thinking Ussop must upgrade her Clima Tact. he must put heat and breeze even thunder dials. after that she could beat any person. imagine a huge beam of fire. freezing an opponent, zapping an opponent…. so cooool
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Thanks Onigumo.
Yeah, since Nami could create frigging lightning from that weird weapon, imagine what she could do with the power of dial, it's frightening. If she can use it well, that kind of power (granted we don't know in what form) could put her on even ground with Luffy. Yeah she can't take as much punishment as a rubber human or the human blood bank Zoro, but if she applies her knowledge to a weapon like that, I know I wouldn't f' with her on a bad day!
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Even ground with Luffy? I think that's impossible. It'd take years to be able to fight at his level, what with her being pwnable in one hit.
Originally posted by Sly_Jakgc@Jun 7 2005, 04:17 AM
Also, what kind of idiot makes a weapon with "party tricks"?
[snapback]64673[/snapback]One that….grew up in a peaceful village and constantly likes to joke?
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jun 6 2005, 01:04 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jun 6 2005, 01:04 PM)Even ground with Luffy? I think that's impossible. It'd take years to be able to fight at his level, what with her being pwnable in one hit.
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Just a few for me. If she goes on like she did with Doublefinger, it'd be silly.
I hope it's not just made out of the same ol' dials, like Impact and Breath. I'd like to see some differences in their their dial use.
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…Man, this means she'll be even more of a hassle to fight against in Grand Battle.
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He had a large bag full. There ought to be some bizarre ones in there. As long as there is no fart dial like from G8. :lol:
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Originally posted by Sly_Jakgc@Jun 6 2005, 08:17 PM
Also, what kind of idiot makes a weapon with "party tricks"?
[snapback]64673[/snapback]You realize that your question just made me want to see the fight between Nami and Miss Doublefinger again. Damn it always cracks me up when Nami starts choking that poor pigeon. :lol:
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nami can make her clothes all wet and transparent. imho this is the ultimate move to beat any enemy (or most of the males and some females)
but honestly i don't think she can take a Logia, because those have a huge ammount of elemental power and i don't think a mere dial + uber knowledge in wheater could do anything… but depeding of the usefullness she could easily be a decente third-rate fighter ^^
and thanks for remebering of the pigeon strangulation... i just started laughing ^^
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I think that's impossible. It'd take years to be able to fight at his level, what with her being pwnable in one hit.
Ahem. Luffy (mainly) fights with his fists. Nami can fight with the power of weather and wields a weapon. Nowhere did I infer her physical strength would be on par with Luffy, however, her ability to wield the weapon effectively may make her just as dangerous. Would you agree that Usopp is nothing but will without his gadgets? With them he was able to stand his own in a fight against Luffy, losing only because of his lack of phsyical strength. I see Nami in the same light.
So what if she could be taken down with a hit? (Which I highly doubt given her display against Double Finger) What good is one hit if you can't even hit her to begin with. I'm not talking Dragon Ball Z and strength crap, this is OP territory ^_~
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While I can see her powers of the Clima-Tact greatly improve because of these dials, I highly doubt that she can get to the point where she can be like Storm from the X-Men. Is she more dangerous now? Absolutely. Could she be more dangerous than Sanji (the 4th strongest after Zoro, Luffy, and Robin)? Doubtful.
I think this is akin to Chopper making a new batch of Rumble Balls that act even more like steroids than they already do. It makes the character stronger, but there is clearly a heirarchy where one character can't surpass another in OP.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Jun 6 2005, 11:04 PM
**> I think that's impossible. It'd take years to be able to fight at his level, what with her being pwnable in one hit.Ahem. Luffy (mainly) fights with his fists. Nami can fight with the power of weather and wields a weapon. Nowhere did I infer her physical strength would be on par with Luffy, however, her ability to wield the weapon effectively may make her just as dangerous. Would you agree that Usopp is nothing but will without his gadgets? With them he was able to stand his own in a fight against Luffy, losing only because of his lack of phsyical strength. I see Nami in the same light.**
Ahem, Luffy is a rubber man and yet his rubber punches are strong enough to take down every opponent. Can you imagine how hard they must be? The power is the same like the one you get when your speed accelerates after jumping ouf of a plane and hitting water after a fall of two or three miles. Water is harder then concrete when you hit it after such a situation.
And I think that it is the same speed accelerating power that Luffy has that makes his rubber fist punch a Shichibukai through solid bedrock.
So basically though Luffy mainly just fights with his fists, this fighting style would be nothing without his inner spear which Nami obviously lacks. At least in that catergory.So what if she could be taken down with a hit? (Which I highly doubt given her display against Double Finger) What good is one hit if you can't even hit her to begin with. I'm not talking Dragon Ball Z and strength crap, this is OP territory ^_~
[snapback]64828[/snapback]Aha ok you´re not talking DBZ but OP here ok. How about Luffy dodging some of Crocs damn quick attacks (the ones with his hook/blade)? It is just dodging but do you think that she could have avoided that?
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Jun 7 2005, 07:04 AM
**> I think that's impossible. It'd take years to be able to fight at his level, what with her being pwnable in one hit.Ahem. Luffy (mainly) fights with his fists. Nami can fight with the power of weather and wields a weapon. Nowhere did I infer her physical strength would be on par with Luffy, however, her ability to wield the weapon effectively may make her just as dangerous. Would you agree that Usopp is nothing but will without his gadgets? With them he was able to stand his own in a fight against Luffy, losing only because of his lack of phsyical strength. I see Nami in the same light.
So what if she could be taken down with a hit? (Which I highly doubt given her display against Double Finger) What good is one hit if you can't even hit her to begin with. I'm not talking Dragon Ball Z and strength crap, this is OP territory ^_~
[snapback]64828[/snapback]**I'm saying that no matter how good she is with her new weapon, she can't compete with people of Luffy's level because she lacks physical strength. Of course you knew her weakness too, I'm just saying. Usopp is indeed nothing without his gadgets, and Nami wouldn't be different. People like them will always lose to people like Luffy, who can just tough it out.
And Doublefinger only got a few pokes in. A blow from Calipha would probably take her head from her neck.
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i'm sure we won't see any joke attacks and that nami has already trained with it off-screen, she looks pretty confident
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I'm sure that Nami will be fighting Calipha with her new Clima tact, and I'll bet that she will win. Remember, this weapon is unique, so it's impossible to predict what Nami is doing. On top of that, dials are unknown in the blue seas, so that is another factor. Remember unpredictability can be a major advantage. That's something the Clima tact has.
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I don't doubt her chances of winning, I'm just saying she can't afford to get nailed, like Lulu did.
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Well I for one think that Nami alone can by no means beat Calipha. I´m sorry but no matter how much stronger the clima tact gets it would be just dead wrong. I see Calipha as a lot stronger character then Miss Doublefinger and therefore I´m sure she won´t be defeated by just two or three attacks from a strong weapon. Calipha is the kind of character who would require at least 8 or 9 devastating blows to be done. And somehow I just don´t see it happening that Nami could hit her that often without being hit herself at that time.
But what would make perfect sense to me is if Nami would fight with the Square Sisters against Calipha. That way she could give her lots strong blows but at the same time she would be in a safer position because the Square Sisters might be always be there to protect Nami from being nailed.
That and the fact that I can already see it coming how the Square Sisters would do one of their Franky posing when the clima tact starts some party tricks again. :D
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off topic thing. i think Sanji will fight Califa after she kicks Nami's ass
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i just have a tough, how if nami can't control her new climatac and acidentally kill lucchi pigeon…. :rolleyes:
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Who knows, maybe he will be dead. I mean what if Hattori is Lucci´s only weak spot? ;)
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Originally posted by gomu_gomu_man@Jun 7 2005, 12:00 PM
i just have a tough, how if nami can't control her new climatac and acidentally kill lucchi pigeon…. :rolleyes:
what do u think lucchi will do?????
[snapback]65126[/snapback]one thing. actually 2 either Nami will be his Pigeon or Nami's head :lol:
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_Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 7 2005, 05:10 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 7 2005, 05:10 PM)Well I for one think that Nami alone can by no means beat Calipha.
[snapback]65094[/snapback]I originally figured Pauly would help in that fight, but the SS make sense, too.
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off topic thing. i think Sanji will fight Califa after she kicks Nami's ass
[snapback]65112[/snapback]_If Oda ever has Sanji attack a woman, I'll drink paint thinner.
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HAH!
Well said. Sanji liking the ladies enough to put his own life at risk is what makes Sanji, Sanji.
My view is that, given that they're already ON the train and nearly halfway across it, Sanji, Franky, and Usopp will confront CP9, and will already be fighting one/two of them. Given that Sanji won't fight Cal, there's a higher chance that she'll be wide open to a fight from Nami and the Square Sisters, unless Franky and/or Usopp fight(s) her.
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Originally posted by igalsfy@Jun 6 2005, 03:40 PM
i'm sure we won't see any joke attacks and that nami has already trained with it off-screen, she looks pretty confident
[snapback]64857[/snapback]she looked pretty confident the first time too…
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So basically though Luffy mainly just fights with his fists, this fighting style would be nothing without his inner spear which Nami obviously lacks. At least in that catergory.
-_- AGAIN you're talking strength. This is something completely different, force of nature. And don't forget, you're making the assumption that it's a 'weak' weapon before you have even seen what it is possible of doing. Remember the breath dial and how even Luffy needed to avoid it? Imagine the power of a heat dial magnified. Imagine how Nami who could previously create lightning, could now possibly do.
You're not opening your mind to the possibilities and looking at the situation without much creativity.
Could she be more dangerous than Sanji (the 4th strongest after Zoro, Luffy, and Robin)? Doubtful.
And nowhere did I suggest she'd be more dangerous than them ^_~
People like them will always lose to people like Luffy, who can just tough it out.
Which again:
A. I didn't suggest she'd be stronger than Luffy
B. I didn't even entertain the idea of a duel between them
C. Um….Let's consider CP9. We have no evidence that without the 6 Methods they're physically 'tough'. A blow to any one of them without employing Tekkai could topple them. Their 'toughness' lies in their techniques and how they use them. I trust you see my point here. -
I like the idea of Nami fighting with the SS to take down Calipha. Maybe they could each take a rod and pull off some sort of tri-elemental attack. (Provided Nami instructs them on the use of the rods…)
I still think that Chopper will use his scope to find a weakness in their attacks, just a gut feeling with no real solid reasoning that I can think of at the moment. I also think that Tekkai might not work against Usopps dials, after all, wasn't Choppers guard point ineffective against Gedastu's dials?
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_Originally posted by d3adpool+Jun 6 2005, 04:25 PM–>QUOTE(d3adpool @ Jun 6 2005, 04:25 PM)but honestly i don't think she can take a Logia, because those have a huge ammount of elemental power and i don't think a mere dial + uber knowledge in wheater could do anything... but depeding of the usefullness she could easily be a decente third-rate fighter ^^
I wonder what rate fighter you are. If a girl who beat the thorn woman with a tricky weapon is a third rate fighter, what are u?@Jun 6 2005, 05:14 PM
While I can see her powers of the Clima-Tact greatly improve because of these dials, I highly doubt that she can get to the point where she can be like Storm from the X-Men. Is she more dangerous now? Absolutely. Could she be more dangerous than Sanji (the 4th strongest after Zoro, Luffy, and Robin)? Doubtful.__Did u just make up ranking yourself? I research about Oda sensei nuff, I don't remember any of this. Or am I in DBZ forum? Usopp and chopper aren't even in the ranking. Personally I think Usopp is one of the strogest. I know what you guys are on about. PHYSICAL strength. Isn't it time to know the weapon usually exceed human strength BECAUSE BRAIN BEATS PHYSICAL STRENGTH in 21st Century? And physical strength alone, I think Sanji beats Zoro. That is my opinion and I haven't seen any proof against it (nor proof supporting it) since Oda sensei likes them to draw in battle. Why? Because he also hates this kind of thing.
Do I think Nami can beat the hell out of this Logio happen-to-be ucky users? Hell, she can. She's got a good head on her shoulder. I wouldn't be surprised if she becomes a pirate king/queen whatsoever. Same goes to everyone. No one is born stronger than any one. It's not about the strength. They win against enemies in battles because their swords are heavier, (zoro tells Hachan in arlong park) You know what this means, right? Unless you're Hachan…_
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Well said, Love_Cook. You're right, devil fruit users are cheating! :P
Sanji so bad ass in new chap manga. Man, he's cool.And nami fight in Alabasta was my favorite of all. At one moment I was so tense and almost choked. (when her mirage was attacked) because of those damn party tricks, I could laugh heartily in serious Alabast arc as well. I watched over 5 times. Anyway what was the topic? Aha climatact- I can't wait to see how it works especially with her new outfit. O_O Perfect use? I guess I will have to ask nami or usopp.
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Originally posted by Love_cook@Jun 11 2005, 10:44 AM
Did u just make up ranking yourself? I research about Oda sensei nuff, I don't remember any of this. Or am I in DBZ forum? Usopp and chopper aren't even in the ranking. Personally I think Usopp is one of the strogest. I know what you guys are on about. PHYSICAL strength. Isn't it time to know the weapon usually exceed human strength BECAUSE BRAIN BEATS PHYSICAL STRENGTH in 21st Century? And physical strength alone, I think Sanji beats Zoro. That is my opinion and I haven't seen any proof against it (nor proof supporting it) since Oda sensei likes them to draw in battle. Why? Because he also hates this kind of thing.
[snapback]67490[/snapback]It seems like whoever says Usopp or Nami can't win is accused of having DBZ logic, and thinking only physical strength matters. Tyson rolled Spinks over. It's not that intelligence doesn't matter, but the physical gap is just too big. Usopp really couldn't beat Luffy, it's fact. And besides the physical difference, Luffy, Zoro, and Robin are brilliant fighters. Nami could be great with her weapon, but it'd take more than general skill.
And as far as Sanji v. Zoro goes, well, yeah. Zoro's not a fist fighter. That'd be like putting Shwarzenegger against Bruce Lee. Not that Ahnold was even that strong, but you get what I mean. aying Zoro wouldn't win without his swords is like saying Sanji wouldn't win withut his legs.
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Keep in mind that dials ABSORB. Like the impact dial, It absorbs the impact and is able to release it later.
I think of them as… batteries. Have the devil fruit use his strongest attack, and absorb it for later. A perfect shield.
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just have a thought, how if nami can't control her new climatac and acidentally kill lucchi pigeon….
that would be funny :D
i wonder if lucci would freak out if something happened to that stupid pigeon…
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hahahahha!
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 11 2005, 12:22 AM
**It seems like whoever says Usopp or Nami can't win is accused of having DBZ logic, and thinking only physical strength matters. Tyson rolled Spinks over. It's not that intelligence doesn't matter, but the physical gap is just too big. Usopp really couldn't beat Luffy, it's fact. And besides the physical difference, Luffy, Zoro, and Robin are brilliant fighters. Nami could be great with her weapon, but it'd take more than general skill.And as far as Sanji v. Zoro goes, well, yeah. Zoro's not a fist fighter. That'd be like putting Shwarzenegger against Bruce Lee. Not that Ahnold was even that strong, but you get what I mean. aying Zoro wouldn't win without his swords is like saying Sanji wouldn't win withut his legs.
[snapback]67607[/snapback]**DBZ is my favorite anime of all time before I found one piece. What I meant was I perfectly understand about this kind of ranking in DBZ forum, but I'm amazed to find it in one piece. When Oda is clearly not into this kind of thing, like Luffy can't win against Somkey…such such. Usopp didn't beat Luffy and he was already badly injured. This doesn't mean he would never be able to surpass him in future. I know Luffy is the main character. (And he's my favorite) Well, we will see, won't we? In the end it's Oda who decides the outcome. And this is exactly why I'm going to be a writer myself. So I can create the whole new world.
And about the sanji vs zoro, when the heck did I say zoro will lose without his sword? when? :blink: I said sanji will win whether he has a sword or not. Puhwahaha. I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm keeping this way unless I see zoro beats the hell out of sanji which i don't think ever will happen in one piece.
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Originally posted by Love_cook@Jun 11 2005, 02:21 PM
And about the sanji vs zoro, when the heck did I say zoro will lose without his sword? when? :blink: I said sanji will win whether he has a sword or not. Puhwahaha. I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm keeping this way unless I see zoro beats the hell out of sanji which i don't think ever will happen in one piece.
[snapback]67760[/snapback]Well if you´re entitling to your opinion then be at least so mature to tolerate other people´s opinions if they keep thinking that Zoro will win against Sanji whether he has a sword or not.
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Y'know, I'd really like to see Hattori beaten. So far, Lucci hasn't shown compassion for anything.
Originally posted by Love_cook@Jun 11 2005, 10:21 PM
DBZ is my favorite anime of all time before I found one piece. What I meant was I perfectly understand about this kind of ranking in DBZ forum, but I'm amazed to find it in one piece. When Oda is clearly not into this kind of thing, like Luffy can't win against Somkey…such such. Usopp didn't beat Luffy and he was already badly injured. This doesn't mean he would never be able to surpass him in future. I know Luffy is the main character. (And he's my favorite) Well, we will see, won't we? In the end it's Oda who decides the outcome. And this is exactly why I'm going to be a writer myself. So I can create the whole new world.There's not much wrong with basing a ranking on general understanding of the characters' abilities. If it was just strength, then I think Sanji would be ahead of Robin. That thing about Usopp being injured was kind of a disappointment from Oda, 'cause now Usopp is given a bogus excuse….
And about the sanji vs zoro, when the heck did I say zoro will lose without his sword? when? :blink: I said sanji will win whether he has a sword or not. Puhwahaha. I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm keeping this way unless I see zoro beats the hell out of sanji which i don't think ever will happen in one piece.
[snapback]67760[/snapback]Since you said "physical strength alone," I assumed you meant unarmed, since a weapon doesn't count as physical strength. I think legs are no match for swords, but believe what you will.
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 11 2005, 08:36 AM
Well if you´re entitling to your opinion then be at least so mature to tolerate other people´s opinions if they keep thinking that Zoro will win against Sanji whether he has a sword or not.
[snapback]67766[/snapback]And just when didn't I tolerate other people's opinion? I cleared only what I meant since Buccacancer misunderstood what I said. I am aware most of people think like you said. and I like it that way. I usually prefer to go to the different direction of general opinion. And I have no problem of being mature, I suppose. The way you say is very rude and why don't u worry about your own…
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Originally posted by Love_cook+Jun 10 2005, 11:44 PM–>QUOTE(Love_cook @ Jun 10 2005, 11:44 PM)
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Originally posted by d3adpool@Jun 11 2005, 09:16 AM
i'm prolly the lowest-rate fighter in existence. sitting in a computer doesn't help much my l33t f1gh71n9 5k11l2…:D like your honesty. I've done kendo (wooden sword of course) but I'll be pretty the same. Seriously if I have to fight with that thorn woman, I will break the world record and run like a bullet. I had a nightmare on the night I saw that ep, u know.
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Originally posted by Love_cook@Jun 11 2005, 02:54 PM
And just when didn't I tolerate other people's opinion? I cleared only what I meant since Buccacancer misunderstood what I said. I am aware most of people think like you said. and I like it that way. I usually prefer to go to the different direction of general opinion. And I have no problem of being mature, I suppose. The way you say is very rude and why don't u worry about your own…
[snapback]67780[/snapback]I never said you didn´t tolerate other opinions. My comment only implied that you should include this into your argument so that you avoid misunderstandings. ;)