I guess the reason why Chopper's human form isn't perfect is because he's a animal that ate the human human fruit. While all the other zoans are humans that ate zoan type fruits. Since chopper didn't start off as a human his human form isn't perfect.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
So far all the Zoan user human form are based on their physical appearance( default). So maybe when Chopper turned into 'human' form it is based on his reindeer appearance
edit: But then again this is a shonen manga, so…
@123:
So far all the Zoan user human form are based on their physical appearance( default). So maybe when Chopper turned into 'human' form it is based on his reindeer appearance
edit: But then again this is a shonen manga, so…
I am stumped! Seriously.
To generalize, a Zoan DF user has 3 forms:
1. A Default or base form. This is the user's original form.
2. A Full Zoan form. This is the full-fledged form of the creature corresponding to the DF.
3. A Hybrid form. This is a part-base, part-zoan form.
There can be only one type of fruit, although different models are possible. So, there is only one Human Human Fruit (its unique since no model is mentioned). Since it was eaten by a reindeer, then by property of a zoan user, that reindeer should be able to attain 3 forms. Chopper does so, but his Zoan form is not a perfect representation of a human.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Chopper's base form.
@Xai:
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Funny you say that because I get what he is on about.
Another example is the weapon zoans. Even in their full stages, they still retain some of their weapon-like status. We usually see them only in their half status though.
Funny you say that because I get what he is on about.
Another example is the weapon zoans. Even in their full stages, they still retain some of their weapon-like status. We usually see them only in their half status though.
This is what we are talking about:
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@Phoenix:
I guess the reason why Chopper's human form isn't perfect is because he's a animal that ate the human human fruit. While all the other zoans are humans that ate zoan type fruits. Since chopper didn't start off as a human his human form isn't perfect.
By this logic, Lucci's leopard form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a leopard, Drake's raptor/T-rex form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a dinosaur, then that cheetah guy in foxy's crew - he didn't start off as a cheetah either. See what I'm trying to say?
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But wouldn't the same hold true for humans? Shouldn't their Full Zoan forms be "imperfect"? Or, perhaps the Devil Fruits were never intended for non-human consumption, and that's why Chopper's Zoan cannot give him a "perfect" Zoan form? If you'd like to see the faulty logic behind this assertion, click the spoiler below.
! I've believed for the longest time now that Devil Fruits are people. Shout it with me now, in your best Charlton Heston imitation: DEVIL FRUITS ARE PEOPLE!
! Well, their souls, to be more precise. I'd wondered about this possibility since Robin's flashback and Clover's mentioning of the Lost Kingdom. Even if such a huge kingdom had been destroyed, it would have required wiping out every last one of its inhabitants to create a blank page in history like the Void Century. I wondered where all of those people could have gone to. It would be difficult to cover up mass murder on such a scale so completely.
! Unless the bodies were accounted for as something other than bodies…
! Switching gears for a moment:
! Remember when Lola's crew remarked on the number of shadows Luffy was able to absorb? Moria was able to use shadows as imitation souls to animate his zombies. Brook's DF let his soul come back and reanimate his own body. Between the shadow absorption increasing a person's strength and DFs that allow for limited "soul control", as well as the limitations most people had (the Risky Bros. stated that the most people typically could withstand was two or three) it got me to thinking.
! Why can most people only hold two or three? Is it painful otherwise?
! From this, I interpreted that a shadow contains a fractional amount of a complete soul's energy. Thus, a shadow could reanimate a corpse but not provide it a will or personality of its own- remember, the zombies only retained quirks of the personality they inherited from the shadow's original owner, and usually only for a brief time before coming completely under Moria's will. Lola, Brook, Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro were all good examples of this. However, Zoro and Sanji's personalities seemed to fade much quicker from their respective zombies than Luffy's, Lola's, or Brook's. Why? I thought that in Brook's case, it might be because of the nature of his Devil Fruit- since his own soul was able to reanimate his corpse with his original personality and will, perhaps his shadow retained some of this ability as well? But, this didn't make a good explanation for Luffy or Lola. Unless it was either strength of personality, or the nature of Devil Fruits in general. For the latter idea to hold true, it would require that Lola also have a DF; something which was neither confirmed nor disproven in the story.
! To continue the train of thought, I decided to work under the assumption that Lola did indeed have a DF. So, what then? How did having a DF allow a person's personality to persist in their shadow? Perhaps it had to do with the amount of energy transferred into the corpses? Did DF users have souls with more energy than non-DF users?
! It was during that time that a massive train wreck occurred in the switching station of my mind. The question about whether the member-nations of the WG had turned the people of the Lost Kingdom into fruits collided head on with the question about why Lola, Luffy, and Brook had shadows with persistent personality traits.
! Devil Fruits being the souls of the Lost Kingdom's citizens could explain the complete loss of historical evidence for such a kingdom ever existing. It could also explain why DF users' shadows had more energy than non-DF users. Factoring in the limitations of how many shadows a person could absorb, as well as Blueno's statement that eating two DF caused a person to explode, I concluded that:
! 1. Devil Fruits are the souls of the Lost Kingdom's citizens.
! and
! 2. A complete soul has far more energy than a shadow.
On topic, I still think Kaidou branded the three of them with "Kilroy was here", and Luffy recognized it because it reminded him of Usopp.
^^
Creepy Theory!!
@Xai:
This is what we are talking about:
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By this logic, Lucci's leopard form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a leopard, Drake's raptor/T-rex form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a dinosaur, then that cheetah guy in foxy's crew - he didn't start off as a cheetah either. See what I'm trying to say?
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I see what your saying but your basing animal fruit zoans (human user) effects and comparing them to a unique human fruit zoan (animal user). So the comparasions don't really work. Unless we see a previous human human fruit's users human form before chopper got its really hard to base what the final human form would actually look like. It may be it's not a perfect human. Plus anyways I can see why Oda went with a not perfect form. If it was Chopper wouldn't of been called a monster by the humans and he never would've been afraid of humans since they would've accepted his perfect human zoan form. Meaning no Dr. Hiruluk flashback. :(
@Xai:
This is what we are talking about:
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By this logic, Lucci's leopard form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a leopard, Drake's raptor/T-rex form shouldn't be perfect 'cause he didn't start off as a dinosaur, then that cheetah guy in foxy's crew - he didn't start off as a cheetah either. See what I'm trying to say?
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Yeah I gettit (Swears people think she isn't payng attention at all), but I'm noting that some of the other zoans weren't perfect too in their full forms. :wassat:
I see what your saying but your basing animal fruit zoans (human user) effects and comparing them to a unique human fruit zoan (animal user). So the comparasions don't really work. Unless we see a previous human human fruit's users human form before chopper got its really hard to base what the final human form would actually look like. It may be it's not a perfect human.
Thats a very bad generalization. Technically, human beings are also animals. Biologically speaking, part of the Animal Kingdom. Human user, animal user, inanimate user has got nothing to do with it.
its really hard to base what the final human form would actually look like.
True. But then, you do realize that every animal of the same species looks different? Only that we might not be able to distinguish at the first glance. It's like if you and me have a dog of the exact same species, even then we would be able to recognize our dogs (without external identifiers like collars etc), whereas some random guy on the street won't be able to.
@Xai:
True. But then, you do realize that every animal of the same species looks different? Only that we might not be able to distinguish at the first glance. It's like if you and me have a dog of the exact same species, even then we would be able to recognize our dogs (without external identifiers like collars etc), whereas some random guy on the street won't be able to.
But Chopper has human features. He's just not what would would consider a perfect looking human. He's more of a hairy caveman or bigfoot. From afar he would be considered a human.
Not to mention Hachi's got the tattoo on his huge forehead.
Arlong.
/filler.
Hachi has the sun tattoo on his forehead. That's rumored to be Jimbei's pirate symbol.
And so:
How can a sword "eat" a DF ?
or did Spandams elephant eat a Sword-DF ?
Ask Vegapunk.
16 mad scientists.
oyah, and Meh, those'd be some pretty fucking weird ass people
And it's also only going on the assumption that mebbe Lola has a Devil Fruit.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
Lola doesn't have a DF. She has the rare marraige haki. She's been denied alot though since she hasn't mastered it yet.
Actually, lola got taught the rare "i'm very ugly" haki but was told it's the rare "i'm very beautiful" haki. Their teachers are still laughing nowadays. 
Kinda good chapter for a "nothing really new happens" chapter. And luffy just is a goodhearted fellow, you cannot help it but like him the way he is (special props going to the victory signs, great stuff lol).
i just read some pages of the spoiler thread for ch520, so i wasnt the only one who likes sandersonia eh. hehe so there were people who got aroused by luffy on top of her? haha come on people
Lol really? Haven't been following spoilers this week, sounds funny, haha LuffyxSonia. :J
And yeah, sonia is a stylish snake.
Ah, thanks for the scans! Runs off to read
I believe that the symbol that the Boa sisters have in their backs is:
This is Vegapunk symbol and this saga it is highly related to Vegapunk.
1. Kuma revealing to Zoro that he is a cyborg made by Dr. Vegapunk
2. The apparition of the Pacifistas in Shabondy
3. Sentoumaru being directly related to Vegapunk
I won´t be surprised if the symbol appears another time in the three sisters and it is a type of mechanical enhacement to their bodies who have been completely ravaged without their authority by Vegapunk like Kuma was and this is the main reason why Kuma sent him to the Amazon Island to meet Boa Hancock.
He can´t fight against Vegapunk, perhaps because a control mechanism and he is using the Strawhats as a tool of revenge against the mad scientist.
Funny you say that because I get what he is on about.
Another example is the weapon zoans. Even in their full stages, they still retain some of their weapon-like status. We usually see them only in their half status though.
Funkfreed could transform into a 100% Elephant.
I believe that the symbol that the Boa sisters have in their backs is:
This is Vegapunk symbol and this saga it is highly related to Vegapunk.
1. Kuma revealing to Zoro that he is a cyborg made by Dr. Vegapunk
2. The apparition of the Pacifistas in Shabondy
3. Sentoumaru being directly related to Vegapunk
I won´t be surprised if the symbol appears another time in the three sisters and it is a type of mechanical enhacement to their bodies who have been completely ravaged without their authority by Vegapunk like Kuma was and this is the main reason why Kuma sent him to the Amazon Island to meet Boa Hancock.
He can´t fight against Vegapunk, perhaps because a control mechanism and he is using the Strawhats as a tool of revenge against the mad scientist.
That symbol's something that goes along with Kuma's signature phrase: "You're right on target." yanno, a little joke
maybe chopper just ate Human DF model Gorilla… :D
I will LMAO if it turn out that there is no tattoo or mark on their back because all the theory seem only direct at tattoo and mark. And if my prediction come true, Oda once again trick you all and laugh because you fall for it lol.
Here is my prediction
The three sisters once overthrowed the former empress and she casted a curse on the 3 sisters. Or in the opposite, the former empress want them to take over the throne and protect whatever secret that relate to the island. The 3 sister have to vow that they will never let other see this even if they die.
Whatever this secret or curse is could relate to the history of the island, how the 3 sister get the throne and why the women only bear girl but not boy, and probably relate to the snake.
And how do Luffy know it ? either him saw it before when he was a child or somewhere in the story that is too simple that we pay no attention to.
The three sisters once overthrowed the former empress and she casted a curse on the 3 sisters.
Are you talking about the old "Nya" lady that Hancock threw out the window?
Whatever this secret or curse is could relate to the history of the island, how the 3 sister get the throne and why the women only bear girl but not boy, and probably relate to the snake.
I would say that it's probably due to Haki even if I don't like that Haki-bullshit, unless it's used like Silvers and Shanks to make people faint otherwise I hate it because it makes One Piece lame.
Whatever this secret or curse is could relate to the history of the island, how the 3 sister get the throne and why the women only bear girl but not boy, and probably relate to the snake.
They go out to get impregnated. Maybe they return only with baby girls, and leave any sons to the fathers.
I doubt that it is something as simple as that
I believe that the symbol that the Boa sisters have in their backs is:
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen4we4.png
This is Vegapunk symbol and this saga it is highly related to Vegapunk.
1. Kuma revealing to Zoro that he is a cyborg made by Dr. Vegapunk
2. The apparition of the Pacifistas in Shabondy
3. Sentoumaru being directly related to Vegapunk
ok love this idea of the mark, finally someone came up with something original but i dont think that it has anything to do with Vegapunk
remember that kumas bible also have the same mark and Sentorumaru didnt have it
-Haki is the same stuff on which is made the smoke creature from Lost-
Are you talking about the old "Nya" lady that Hancock threw out the window?
I don't remember but it seem that there is a period when that empress done something and run away, and maybe the three sister take her place or there is someone take her place and then the three sister is next or the 3rd generation since that old woman.
I'm tempted to believe that the crosshair design is just the largest pagan religion in the One Piece world's analog for the cross.
ok love this idea of the mark, finally someone came up with something original but i dont think that it has anything to do with Vegapunk
remember that kumas bible also have the same mark and Sentorumaru didnt have it
Actually I suggested something along these lines sometime back. But a Vegapunk mark should be the cause of so much shame and secrecy? Why?
Sentaramu has a mark similar to Eneru's markings on his drums almost. I was pondering on this for a while. It makes more question some things about the civilization he destroyed before going to Upper Yard.
Sentaramu has a mark similar to Eneru's markings on his drums almost. I was pondering on this for a while. It makes more question some things about the civilization he destroyed before going to Upper Yard.
That's just a tomoe. It gets used a lot in manga and anime.
Hey I dont usually post on here but I had to give my 2 cents for this b/c i think my theory is pretty good.
Take a close look at the markings you can see on marigold's back, it almost looks like its part of a swatzika. Now what other markings do we know of that look like a swatzika? How bout white beards jolly roger. And this would also make sense as to why luffy can't remember where he saw it b/c when he saw it on ace it was a new tattoo. Also maybe this is why Boa doesn't want to go after White beard.
Idk just a thought, if someone can link that picture of the close up on luffy when he's on Marigold's back that would be awesome.
Hey I dont usually post on here but I had to give my 2 cents for this b/c i think my theory is pretty good.
Take a close look at the markings you can see on marigold's back, it almost looks like its part of a swatzika. Now what other markings do we know of that look like a swatzika? How bout white beards jolly roger. And this would also make sense as to why luffy can't remember where he saw it b/c when he saw it on ace it was a new tattoo. Also maybe this is why Boa doesn't want to go after White beard.
Looks more to be the stripes on her snake skin
whoops it wasnt marigold, it was sandersonia so dont get confused
I thought that Chopper's chibi form is his human form since every other Zoan are in hybrid when they have the gorilla-looking body. Why exclude chopper?
Anyways…again for those complaining that there is not enough action in this arc, I hope you are happy. I would expect someone to at least teach Luffy what haki is and how to release it and I would like to see Luffy incorporate it in his moves. I expect flashbacks really soon and no, I don't think we will get to see what happened to the other SHs
Just got around to reading it at least. Well Boa is pretty unpredictable at the moment, so any interpretations on the tears could be a possibility. But I highly doubt they are tears of joy or such…
Hey I dont usually post on here but I had to give my 2 cents for this b/c i think my theory is pretty good.
Take a close look at the markings you can see on marigold's back, it almost looks like its part of a swatzika. Now what other markings do we know of that look like a swatzika? How bout white beards jolly roger. And this would also make sense as to why luffy can't remember where he saw it b/c when he saw it on ace it was a new tattoo. Also maybe this is why Boa doesn't want to go after White beard.
That symbol has never apeared in the manga!
You ,ean a manji which has appeared.
Oh yeah, anyone get the feeling that the old lady (forgot her name, but Hancock threw her out a window) is going to become a "wimpy antagonist" somehow? Like, maybe she sees the secret and uses it to blackmail Hancock.
Either way the old lady's getting into the story again.
Anybody got a translation of the full results even beyond the Top 50?
Hey I dont usually post on here but I had to give my 2 cents for this b/c i think my theory is pretty good.
Take a close look at the markings you can see on marigold's back, it almost looks like its part of a swatzika. Now what other markings do we know of that look like a swatzika? How bout white beards jolly roger. And this would also make sense as to why luffy can't remember where he saw it b/c when he saw it on ace it was a new tattoo. Also maybe this is why Boa doesn't want to go after White beard.
Idk just a thought, if someone can link that picture of the close up on luffy when he's on Marigold's back that would be awesome.
I've got news for you… your theory sucks.. haha.. because White Beard's Jolly Roger is no longer the inverse Swatzika.... Oda changed it because of the confusion. Look at Ace's back during his battle with BB. :getlost:
I'm still putting money on the mark being that of the slave trade.
Reason one being that Luffy has seen it before. To our knowledge, Luffy hasn't seen mister fishman's emblem… I think...
Reason two, Luffy know's that it has meaning. To them at least. I doupt he would go to this length if it really was a giant eye.
We've never seen any slaves marked or branded… for all we know.. they are never marked/barnded in the OP world. We've seen many many slaves.. never have we seen marks on them.. and neither has Luffy... this theory sucks...
We've never seen any slaves marked or branded… for all we know.. they are never marked/barnded in the OP world. We've seen many many slaves.. never have we seen marks on them.. and neither has Luffy... this theory sucks...
We've seen marks inside of the auction houses though. Most recognizably Do Flamingo's smiley. Not much of a stretch to think that people do brand slaves. So even if it's not one of the more likely theories it could be possible seeing as there isn''t anything predominant that seems likely. So I think it's a bit much to say that his theory sucks.
My opinion of the chapter was somewhat of a disappointment other then the Thursday release. If the two sisters are her direct underlings and they can be defeated in 1-2 chapters, it's starting to look like I'll have to admit Hancock is pretty weak for a shichibukai. Oda has always done stuff that hasn't seemed cool at the time, but it ended up being something I liked at the end of the arc, so we'll wait and see. I hope that mark is something epic, since there hasn't been one theory that I've absolutely loved yet.
@ysn:
Big thumbs up to Croy for a few very good posts in this thread. I fully agree, but in one regard - I don't think its connected to the nobles, but rather to either Doflamingo or Jinbei. I'm leaning towards Jinbei (60% to 40%) for a variety of reasons, but you can't really tell who it's gonna be between the two. There are a lot of possible "villains" and even "heroes" and we'll have to wait and see who Oda chooses for what role (Jinbei could easily turn out to be a hero protecting the discriminated fish people or a racist, whose example was followed by Arlong).
Why have we come to an agreement that it's between these 2. Both of these possibilities aren't very good…
Like I've mentioned this before, not sure where people get off thinking that Jinbei or DoFlamingo is above Hancock. They are technically of equal status... and of similar power level for all we know. Nothing has been stated that Hancock is somehow one of the weaker Schibukai or that Jinbei/Doflamingo are somehow the strongest of the 7. For all we know Jinbei/Doflamingo would never mess with Hancock because they know she's powerful.
People keep bringing up this slave theory... it's not a good theory... there isn't any I mean ANY evidence for it. not even a little... not even a tiny particle of evidence. Because we've never seen slaves branded in OP neither has Luffy. Is it likely that a Schibukai was a slave at some point?.. Can you imagine Kuma or Doflamingo or Moria as a slave? probably not.. might as well claim that an Admiral was a slave once.... just because Hancock is a Hot girl doesn't mean she's powerful as hell.
People keep bringing up this slave theory… it's not a good theory... there isn't any I mean ANY evidence for it. not even a little... not even a tiny particle of evidence. Because we've never seen slaves branded in OP neither has Luffy. Is it likely that a Schibukai was a slave at some point?.. Can you imagine Kuma or Doflamingo or Moria as a slave? probably not.. might as well claim that an Admiral was a slave once.... just because Hancock is a Hot girl doesn't mean she's powerful as hell.
There isn't any real evidence for any theory involving the mark. For all we know the mark isn't anything that has been shown in the manga. This could be the first time a slave mark is shown. There isn't any theory that is likely at this point. I don't think it'll happen, but I haven't seen any theory about the mark that I have thought 'this will happen' so far.
Also you would of triple posted if I didn't post like 30 seconds before you while you were probably typing up that last post. There's a thing called an edit button.
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