New official Viz media topic V2.

[Cyan D. Funk]

I think it's because they've been using it so long, the sudden change would be too jarring.

[StrawHatJedi]

They also edited Blackbeard's "title" to read Marshall D. Teech….not that it's a surprise. I agree that it's just that they don't want to change it after having used the other name. They've already printed volumes 55 and 56 using Shiryu.

You know what i want rather than a Vizbig release?

A hardcover version of the series, magazine size with magazine quality paper so that you can open it up and see the double page spreads. Honestly the volumes are so tightly bound that you can't see double pages at all. Vizbig are no better and they're clunky. I wish we could get something easy to open all the way with the big magazine page size that puts together all One Piece chapters with the color pages / covers in tact. They could go back and fix the name changes in such a release.

[MasterKingJC]

Regular Shonen Jump reader: "What? His name is Shiliew?!! That sounds too weird! He hasn't had a lot of screen time, but I'm too used to Shiryu! Change is scary…"crawls into corner

[Hiroy]

Hahahahah! @ "Mistake." This shit wasn't no damned mistake.

[MasterKingJC]

And it's very sad that due to Viz's stupidity, we are still stuck with "Teech".
facepalm

[Cyan D. Funk]

At this point it's clear that when the Viz name is different than the official name it's done only to retain rights.
@MasterKingJC:

Regular Shonen Jump reader: "What? His name is Shiliew?!! That sounds too weird! He hasn't had a lot of screen time, but I'm too used to Shiryu! Change is scary…"crawls into corner

I'm pretty sure that was the exact reaction when we learned the official Romanizations.

[MasterKingJC]

@Hiroy:

Hahahahah! @ "Mistake." This shit wasn't no damned mistake.

Well, it wasn't much of a mistake, but a mistranslation.

But it makes me wonder, what exactly was going through their minds when they say Oda's romaniztion?

[Hiroy]

We are no longer talking about a name that was a popular translation at the time before Oda romanized it.

Let's beat around the bush and talk about Zolo and Teech instead. Such a lovely topic that's beaten to the ground with no avail.

[MasterKingJC]

@Cyan:

At this point it's clear that when the Viz name is different than the official name it's done only to retain rights.

I'm pretty sure that was the exact reaction when we learned the official Romanizations.

And that's when the irony comes in….

[Hiroy]

Such stupidity.

[MasterKingJC]

Well, I'm not as upset with romanizations and translations as I am with the fact that Chapter 597 wasn't in the September issue.
Would adding one more chapter have been that detrimental to the issue?

[firecrouch]

I remember the editor for "One Piece" at VIZ said in an interview that Oda sometimes uses inconsistent spellings for the characters. So yeah, it's not a mistake. And it also may be better to keep things uniform throughout the series instead of just changing things later in the publication.

Also the recent posts I'm seeing complaining about the latest issue of Shonen Jump sounds like big baby whining shit.

[Shift]

Yeah, I'm glad they always stick to their guns in regard to names.

Looks at two copies of vol. 3, one with Zoro and one with Zolo

Very glad.

[firecrouch]

@Shift:

Yeah, I'm glad they always stick to their guns in regard to names.

Looks at two copies of vol. 3, one with Zoro and one with Zolo

Very glad.

Oh come now we all know that's a glaring exception from years ago.

[MasterKingJC]

@firecrouch:

Also the recent posts I'm seeing complaining about the latest issue of Shonen Jump sounds like big baby whining shit.

So you're pretty much happy with the way Viz is handling One Piece, huh, Firecrouch?
Their way of keeping the series in the back seat and not trying hard enough to push and promote it since the speed-up ended?

[firecrouch]

@MasterKingJC:

So you're pretty much happy with the way Viz is handling One Piece, huh, Firecrouch?
Their way of keeping the series in the back seat and not trying hard enough to push and promote it since the speed-up ended?

Why shouldn't I be satisfied? Seriously, people, VIZ HAS improved and yet there seems to be more focus on the negative rather than the positive.

I honestly thought the speed-up would never happen, "Naruto" made sense because it sells so much more. But they did it, they did something great I thought they'd never do, that people thought was bad idea, and it turned it out great for everyone. I respect VIZ a lot for that. And so what, the releases slow down? Big fucking deal, they went to a quarterly release schedule because of fan demand. The way the release is now it's not that far behind Japan. And you want them to release it faster? Then tell more fans to buy it. If more people buy it they'll release it faster.

And promote it more? If you blame VIZ for not promoting it more you might have a lack of foresight on how business works. What's the point of promoting something that might not translate into more sales? "Naruto" on the magazine cover gets more attention than "One Piece", get over it. They promoted it plenty for the speed-up, they put out a whole website and the omnibus edition. Since the speed-up from everything I'm seeing the series is selling better, volume 57 did pretty well in bookstores and Diamond distribution in June.

I mean seriously what do you expect? They've even cut down on censorship and kept more original terms as of late.

In short, "One Piece" is just not as popular in America as fans such as myself would like it to be, and it's not the fault of VIZ. Get over it.

[dirt monkey AL]

JC

shut up

[Hiroy]

Hell… the manga industry itself isn't as popular. Sure, Naruto sells more than OP... but those numbers. They almost never impress me. So why put so much effort into what sells the most in a really niche market?

[Kaku-Kaku Fruit]

I've been really happy with recent One Piece volumes from Viz. I think they did a great job with Water 7! And in regards to 'Zolo', I just read it as Zoro in my head. Doesn't bother me.

[MasterKingJC]

@firecrouch:

Why shouldn't I be satisfied? Seriously, people, VIZ HAS improved and yet there seems to be more focus on the negative rather than the positive.

I honestly thought the speed-up would never happen, "Naruto" made sense because it sells so much more. But they did it, they did something great I thought they'd never do, that people thought was bad idea, and it turned it out great for everyone. I respect VIZ a lot for that. And so what, the releases slow down? Big fucking deal, they went to a quarterly release schedule because of fan demand. The way the release is now it's not that far behind Japan. And you want them to release it faster? Then tell more fans to buy it. If more people buy it they'll release it faster.

And promote it more? If you blame VIZ for not promoting it more you might have a lack of foresight on how business works. What's the point of promoting something that might not translate into more sales? "Naruto" on the magazine cover gets more attention than "One Piece", get over it. They promoted it plenty for the speed-up, they put out a whole website and the omnibus edition. Since the speed-up from everything I'm seeing the series is selling better, volume 57 did pretty well in bookstores and Diamond distribution in June.

I mean seriously what do you expect? They've even cut down on censorship and kept more original terms as of late.

In short, "One Piece" is just not as popular in America as fans such as myself would like it to be, and it's not the fault of VIZ. Get over it.

I never had a problem with the volume releases. That doesn't bother me since we're like 30-40 chapters close to the Japanese takobon releases.
And I never complained about Naruto being more popular than One Piece, that's how it's been for years and I've accepted that.
Yes, they've promoted it for the speed-up, but has their status of promoting and advertising for the series stayed the same? When was the last time Luffy was mainly on the cover of SJ?
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@dirt:

JC

shut up

Thank you for not contributing, Al.

[firecrouch]

@MasterKingJC:

I never had a problem with the volume releases. That doesn't bother me since we're like 30-40 chapters close to the Japanese takobon releases.
And I never complained about Naruto being more popular than One Piece, that's how it's been for years and I've accepted that.
Yes, they've promoted it for the speed-up, but has their status of promoting and adveristing for the series stayed the same? When was the last time Luffy was mainly on the cover of SJ? September of 2010.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

And I just explained why they don't do more with "One Piece" in the magazine. The speed-up is done, "One Piece" isn't really much bigger than it was before, there's not much of a point in doing more with it, get over it.

[MasterKingJC]

That's debatable, but I'll just leave it at that for now.

[firecrouch]

@MasterKingJC:

That's debatable

Not really. I mean we'd need some actual sales numbers, but if you look at the New York Times lists, the Bookscan lists, and the Diamonds list you'll see "One Piece" generally sells at the same rate from before and during the speed-up and gets beaten out by several other series you'd expect to sell more if you look at the trends of people that buy manga in America. So if "One Piece" isn't a bigger deal now, why make it so now in the magazine? Most people that buy the magazine are already fully aware of "One Piece", there's not much more new stuff they can do to promote it to increase sales and fan interest, and if "Naruto" and "Bleach" are more popular it makes more sense to do more with them in the magazine. VIZ will sell more copies that way. I mean it would be nice if VIZ promotes it more for the time-skip, it would make sense, but if they don't it's not a bad business decision.

[StrawHatJedi]

I'm happy with Viz's treatment of the series lately….I just wanted 597 to be in this issue. I really don't think it would have been any strain on them in any way to put in ONE more chapter for the sake of ending right on the time skip. I mean they put 4 chapters of One Piece in every issue for a year. They really couldn't do it ONE time for the sake of a Time Skip? I'm just disappointed because I feel like putting 598 right after 597 significantly reduces the impact. I mean, we had 4 weeks of waiting between those chapters to really build up the anticipation. The problem with the magazine putting 597 - 599 in the next issue is the same as the problem with volume 61 containing chapters 595 - 597. It's not really indicative of any major problems with the US release of the series. It's not really a huge deal. But it does annoy me lol.

[firecrouch]

They wanted to promote "Pokemon", they only have so much page space and money to put in the magazine.

[MasterKingJC]

@firecrouch:

Not really. I mean we'd need some actual sales numbers, but if you look at the New York Times lists, the Bookscan lists, and the Diamonds list you'll see "One Piece" generally sells at the same rate from before and during the speed-up and gets beaten out by several other series you'd expect to sell more if you look at the trends of people that buy manga in America. So if "One Piece" isn't a bigger deal now, why make it so now in the magazine? Most people that buy the magazine are already fully aware of "One Piece", there's not much more new stuff they can do to promote it to increase sales and fan interest, and if "Naruto" and "Bleach" are more popular it makes more sense to do more with them in the magazine. VIZ will sell more copies that way. I mean it would be nice if VIZ promotes it more for the time-skip, it would make sense, but if they don't it's not a bad business decision.

Well, the only way I could see that happening is if there was enough fan demand, like there was for the speed-up.
But it may not play a big part in promotion.

[StrawHatJedi]

I think one more chapter of One Piece should have taken precedence over a Pokemon promotion. I mean, look I'm a fan of the Viz translation and the stuff they do, but they're not perfect. They're not above criticism. This is one case where I think they deserve it as they made a poor decision in my honest opinion.

They can do a Pokemon promotion any month. They've done much bigger issues than this even this year. Honestly, how much promotion does Pokemon need? It's freakin' Pokemon.

[firecrouch]

I think VIZ was attempting something different with putting "Pokemon" in the magazine. And hey doing something like that could potentially garner fan interest. Also I don't think VIZ looks at the pacing of "One Piece" chapters that way. I think to most people as long as they get to the chapters eventually it doesn't really matter where they're placed.

[StrawHatJedi]

Eh, I'm a big Pokemon fan and I STILL think the pokemon thing was stupid in SJ. I told them so in the customer survey.

Normally I wouldn't care, but this should certainly be an exception. I mean…the time skip in One Piece was so big that they let Oda take 4 weeks off after 597 in Japan to build anticipation. I mean...that's pretty big to let a series like OP go out for 4 weeks when it's making so much money.

[perroloco]

I know Viz is owned by both Shueisha and Shogakukan, now they have passed the line.. Promotioning Pokémon (A Shogakukan property), is it about the manga, the anime, the TCG, the movies, the games?? What takes 10 pages out of like 300!?

[StrawHatJedi]

It's promoting the cards, games, anime, and manga.

[firecrouch]

@Vongola_Boss_XI:

Eh, I'm a big Pokemon fan and I STILL think the pokemon thing was stupid in SJ. I told them so in the customer survey.

Normally I wouldn't care, but this should certainly be an exception. I mean…the time skip in One Piece was so big that they let Oda take 4 weeks off after 597 in Japan to build anticipation. I mean...that's pretty big to let a series like OP go out for 4 weeks when it's making so much money.

That's the Japanese Shonen Jump. And the timeskip is a bigger deal there because "One Piece" is bigger there. "One Piece" is popular among American manga readers but it's not really big here, so as such it shouldn't be as big a deal for the American magazine.

What you seem to be focusing is the manner in which the chapters are revealed, but they're still gonna show up in the magazine. It's not like they're gonna ignore it, it almost sounds like you're nitpicking.

[Shift]

You probably would have also been cool with "Luke, I am your father," at the start of Return of the Jedi rather than at the end of Empire Strikes Back.

Kidding, of course, but maybe you see my point?

[firecrouch]

@Shift:

You probably would have also been cool with "Luke, I am your father," at the start of Return of the Jedi rather than at the end of Empire Strikes Back.

Kidding, of course, but maybe you see my point?

Yes, but a movie trilogy is different from serialized episodes.

Look, it would have been nice if they did have chapter 597 in the issue, it would've been a nicer flow, but it's hardly gonna ruin the reading experience.

[Badass SnoCone]

Or perhaps they'll be putting only 597 in the next issue like someone previously suggested in order to emulate Oda's Month-long break to signify the timeskip?

[King Calamari]

I'm assuming that the KND drawing was the one I saw on Tom Warburton's blog. He's a big fan of Shonen Jump and especially One Piece.

[Crossword]

KND? Kids Next Door?

[StrawHatJedi]

Ah, I'm not trying to say it's tremendously important that 597 isn't in this month's issue…I just find it kind of annoying and think it was a mistake.

I do wonder if it's true...that they'll do just one chapter next month. We'd have to wait 2 more months after that for the post-time skip Straw Hats though since the October / November is a double issue.

I hope in 2012 they go back to 4 chpaters per issue to make up for 10 issues in a year. They said they're doing 4 volumes a year now. I wonder how they could keep that going with only 30 chapters a year in Jump. It's a shame because in 2010 there were 48 chapters of OP and in 2011 there will only be 30. 10 issues with 4 chapters each would be a good compromise.

[Sniper King]

Hey, that Ichigo toy from the survey is pretty cool.

[MugiMikey]

@MasterKingJC:

So instead of correcting their mistake, they changed his name to Shiryu?
Why?!!
I don't understand the logic of doing that. Is "Shiryu" copyrighted or something?

@MasterKingJC:

Well, I'm not as upset with romanizations and translations as I am with the fact that Chapter 597 wasn't in the September issue.
Would adding one more chapter have been that detrimental to the issue?

Uhm, this isn't news. It was said months ago by a Viz rep that they're keeping "Shiryu" and doing three chapters every magazine.

Stop complaining. Be lucky One Piece is even being put in the magazine.

[StrawHatJedi]

ehhh…it's not at all a stretch for Viz to put One Piece in the magazine. It's a reasonably successful series for them. It's not like they're doing some favor to the series by putting it in the magazine. If it wasn't making them money, it wouldn't still be there.

[MasterKingJC]

@Mikey:

Uhm, this isn't news. It was said months ago by a Viz rep that they're keeping "Shiryu" and doing three chapters every magazine.

Stop complaining. Be lucky One Piece is even being put in the magazine.

Well, this is my first time hearing that. I don't follow everything Viz does.
Maybe someone should have mentioned that earlier perhaps?

[firecrouch]

@MasterKingJC:

Well, this is my first time hearing that. I don't follow everything Viz does.
Maybe someone should have mentioned that earlier perhaps?

Just start following VIZ. They have a Facebook and twitter and the editor of "One Piece" has his own twitter, just look for AlexisKJump

[MasterKingJC]

Alright, I'll look into it. Even though I don't use Twitter or Facebook much.

[Supernova]

I don't get why people say One Piece isn't popular in the U.S.

It's not Naruto or Dragon Ball level, but it's a successful manga series in the U.S. One of the most popular mangas here in the U.S which is something cause Anime and Manga are barely popular here.

[MugiMikey]

@MasterKingJC:

Well, this is my first time hearing that. I don't follow everything Viz does.
Maybe someone should have mentioned that earlier perhaps?

But someone did; PirateBeck asked a Viz rep in an interview and it was posted here, discussed here, and even news'd on the front page.

[sniperking323]

@King:

I'm assuming that the KND drawing was the one I saw on Tom Warburton's blog. He's a big fan of Shonen Jump and especially One Piece.

Saw that yesterday, it was amazing :D

Can someone post a link to it maybe? :3

[600_Followers]

http://warburtonlabs.blogspot.com/2010/09/one-piece-vs-knd.html

I assume it's this one, the comment in the bottom [July 26, 2011] says it was finally posted in Shonen Jump.

[LUFFY1fan]

So the issue only go's up to chapter 596? Are you fucking kidding me? I understand Viz is slow a little, but for fuck's sake.. This is a new low.

[Mutated_Monkey]

Viz is giving us Color walk2, so they care enough