Naruto Discussion V [Re-Re-Redux]

Sandai Mera

But my biggest complaint in Naruto would be

1. Naruto needs more moves, I mean even after his wind manipulation, basically all he does is make a bigger Rasengen. (basically like going from kamehameha to a super kamehameha) Thats why I liked vegeta so much, he had so many different special moves.

Big Bang,Final Flash,Galick Gun yea that's alot.

@Hinscher:

2. You never know if someone is dead or anything. Seems like someone dies like 3 times every fight with these jutso's and what not. I usually just scan the chapter and see if they are dead, if they are then I read the fight. But otherwise it just pisses me off too much.

I haven't really come across a lot of situations in the manga in which the fate of someone wasn't clearly explained or shown.

Md-Martin

So, from the spoilers I've heard so far from a friend at school is that Itachi gave Sasuke both his Mangekeouy Sharingan and Itachi did it with a seal to cause Amatuersu to apear and atack Madara. Are these true?

GEPPETTOSMONSTER

Yes there true, kishimoto told me himself….......................J/K =D.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

I'm surprised that Kishi hasn't even made Hinata actually.. do anything

Hinscher

@Sandai:

Big Bang,Final Flash,Galick Gun yea that's alot.

He had more, not gonna research to find em, but some weren't named as well. plus he used just plain ki attacks more. Maybe its just cause Was sick of seeing constant Kamehameha from everybody. SO many people had that move that it made it seem shity whenever someone did it.

@Sandai:

I haven't really come across a lot of situations in the manga in which the fate of someone wasn't clearly explained or shown.

The most recent Itachi/Sasuke fight. The deidera (bird bomb guy) person was shown dieing a ton it seemed but didn't until finally at the end.

And besides them two, how many shadow clones, substitution, gengustsu things have we seen in the past.

If you want a perfect example go into the Ch. 496 spoilers of One Piece. THere is a post on page 12 by Syler that shows exactly the fight of Itachi and Sasuke and is spot on. Lots of fake deaths and shit in that fihght.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

He had more, not gonna research to find em, but some weren't named as well. plus he used just plain ki attacks more. Maybe its just cause Was sick of seeing constant Kamehameha from everybody. SO many people had that move that it made it seem shity whenever someone did it.

You should've figured that a bunch of other people would start using it when
Yamcha & Krillin started using it.

@Hinscher:

The most recent Itachi/Sasuke fight. The deidera (bird bomb guy) person was shown dieing a ton it seemed but didn't until finally at the end.

And besides them two, how many shadow clones, substitution, gengustsu things have we seen in the past.

Guess you make a valid argument but all of that adds to the suspense of the fights provided people just take as that and stop taking a Youtube approach to those moments.

Hinscher

Well hey I apreciate fights in that series to an extent. The Sakura fight against the puppet master was good and strategic. The whole using sakura as a puppet and other parts where great.

Loved the basically first fight when Naruto turned into a shurikan and sasuke threw it. Other fights could bring up too.

But I really have gengutsu's. Or the crows/snakes clones or whatever they are. Don't mind the shadow clones to an extent because you always see a billion Naruto's on screen anyway so. But otherwise the fights with Sharingon are pissing me off. I mean when every other week when checking spoilers or chapters and it ends with Itachi dying. You statrt to just not care and don't read it until it has been a couple weeks since you last haerd about the fight. THen a good chance the fight is finally over. (yes I'm bringing up that fight constantly, but just becuase it is most recent in memory and easy to nitpick.)

NuFiasco

Genjutsu's suck. They slow down the fighting and are super broken. And Boring. Nufiasco speaks

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

Well hey I apreciate fights in that series to an extent. The Sakura fight against the puppet master was good and strategic. The whole using sakura as a puppet and other parts where great.

Not that I'm disagreeing or anything it's just that a majority of people on this forum have a notorious hatred for that fight.

@NuFiasco:

Genjutsu's suck. They slow down the fighting and are super broken. And Boring. Nufiasco speaks

Broken how?

NuFiasco

@Sandai:

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Not that I'm disagreeing or anything it's just that a majority of people on this forum have a notorious hatred for that fight.

Broken how?

Okay, let me rephrase that. Itachi's are super broken. Actually everything about Itachi reeks of annoying Genjutsu that ruins the fighting pace. The Uchiha brothers battle was a complete bore and sudden. And was there any point in Orochimaru to pop his face up only to get owned few seconds later?

But yeah, I'm anti Genjutsu. Ninja were cool with just the classic wood substitutions.

Sandai Mera

@NuFiasco:

Okay, let me rephrase that. Itachi's are super broken. Actually everything about Itachi reeks of annoying Genjutsu that ruins the fighting pace. The Uchiha brothers battle was a complete bore and sudden. And was there any point in Orochimaru to pop his face up only to get owned few seconds later?

Well Kabuto kind of hinted at Orochimaru coming back but I for one definitely wasn't expecting the little cameo right then and there.

@NuFiasco:

But yeah, I'm anti Genjutsu. Ninja were cool with just the classic wood substitutions.

Don't the Wood substitutions counts as a Genjutsu?

NuFiasco

@Sandai:

Well Kabuto kind of hinted at Orochimaru coming back but I for one definitely wasn't expecting the little cameo right then and there.

Don't the Wood substitutions counts as a Genjutsu?

I believe they do? That's probably the only genjutsu I like. I knew before hand that Oro was still alive, but still it was so out of place that I lol'd.

Hinscher

Well not saying I loved the Sakura fight. (Not a whole fan of her clone of Tsunade)

The whole grandma being able to dodge a bajillion poison needles plus puppet sakura into dodging. The 3 minute dose lasting a Goku Freeza 5 minute battle length. It had its flaws. But at least you knew where everything stood during the whole fight.

Like the other person said. Gengutsu's are the fall of Naruto IMO. If it was just taijutsu, and ninjutsu it would be awesome. And also could slow down on the secret tribe with a hidden power. There seems to be like 40 special tribes that are amazing, yet supposedly extinct alive. Like every other villian it seems is some special blood traid that gives special eyes or moves or something. Where are the normal ninjas.

My favorite fights include Shikimaru fights, and good ol rock lee fights.

Edit: when it got hinted about Orochimaru, I thought it was that he was gonna take over Kabuto's body. In how he was starting to somewhat with his arm or somehting. If that quick "hey I'm orochimaru" "I'm dead" is all we see, that is bullshit.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

Like the other person said. Gengutsu's are the fall of Naruto IMO. If it was just taijutsu, and ninjutsu it would be awesome. And also could slow down on the secret tribe with a hidden power. There seems to be like 40 special tribes that are amazing, yet supposedly extinct alive. Like every other villian it seems is some special blood traid that gives special eyes or moves or something. Where are the normal ninjas.

Iruka & Sakura [gen 1] aren't normal enough for you?

tarrin4ever

Genjutsu fight = Magikarp vs Magikarp

Hinscher

Huh? not sure what you mean by Iruka and Sakura? Is that maybe that htey are like the only normal people.

Sandai Mera

Ninja's don't get any plainer & normal than those two.

Hinscher

Ha true, but what I"m talking about is.

We have that Pen/pell (spirally eye guy)
Uchihas
Haku (ice dude(chick) from first fight)
Byakugen eye clan
water sword clan guys
Bone sword guy

I'm sure many others. But I mean you know what I mean. What happened to the Ninjas using tricks and stuff to attack vs. being all powerful because they were born that way.

Ramza

@Sandai:

Iruka & Sakura [gen 1] aren't normal enough for you?

and these "normal people" dont do a thing, its as if they never existed

Sandai Mera

Well that's what happens when you have so many characters in a manga
DragonBall kind of did the same.

Hinscher

Well thats why he shouldn't have made every single kid from the ninja class end up being used. Same as like Bleach, way too many good guys. Plus hard as hell to remember their names. Keep the name easier instead of these weird ass Japanese names.

In naruto we have like 4 teams of kids. Their leaders, random other old ninjas. Then we have all these villians at the same time. All the Akatsuki and Sasukes friends. Way too many people to keep track of. I would have to research to remember who is all dead or not for villians.

Then bleach we have the 6 or so humans. the 13 captains plus each of their leutenants. And maybe a random in there or something. Then we have the Cat Lady, the guy in flashbacks right now (uhlilra or something) the however many Arankar. Ichigo and others dad. Then anime threw in those stupid puppets/dolls. I have to describe them because the names are so weird and so many I never got to knowing them.

I mean it took me like 10 episodes or so to finally be able to understand Sakura and Sasuke and Kakashi in Naruto. Then they started throwing more in, but they did it slowly at least so I learnt better. But bleach it was like invade Soul Society, fight and whatever these tons of enemies. Oh wait were all your friends now, learn our names and were gonna throw 20 more enemies at ya with more names.

Mr. Lucci

I actually somewhat liked the puppeteer fight as well. I also thought it was one of the few fights that was done decently in the Shippuden anime.

@Emperor:

Naruto is alright if your expectations are lower for it than One Piece.

I agree. Still, stuff needs work, to say the very least.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

Well thats why he shouldn't have made every single kid from the ninja class end up being used. Same as like Bleach, way too many good guys. Plus hard as hell to remember their names. Keep the name easier instead of these weird ass Japanese names.

In naruto we have like 4 teams of kids. Their leaders, random other old ninjas. Then we have all these villians at the same time. All the Akatsuki and Sasukes friends. Way too many people to keep track of. I would have to research to remember who is all dead or not for villians.

That's not as bad as Bleach I can remember pretty much every single major and minor character in Naruto whereas with Bleach I can probably name or
remember only half the characters.

Hinscher

@Sandai:

That's not as bad as Bleach I can remember pretty much every single major and minor character in Naruto whereas with Bleach I can probably name or
remember only half the characters.

Ha yea same here. This is kinda how I see bleach and names.

Imagine in One Piece if after Arabasta all 12 agents set sail and became buddies with strawhats and were fighting with them. Take some time to ever learn there names if we did. Plus you keep loosing fight time for every character.

That is basically what happened in Bleach. In Soul Society I just basically kept attention as OH fighting Captain 11 now then Captain 3 or ect. Then all of sudden they are allies and fighting with Ichigo and co. Now learn all their names cause they are gonna be fighting new enemies with Ichigo. (also a little englishier please for names)

Dark Lord Zenigame

…wow. Just wow.

Complaining about onoz japanese naems r so HARD TO REMEMBER when you're reading a fucking JAPANESE MANGA.

You want Englishy names, go read X-men or something.

Christ.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

Ha yea same here. This is kinda how I see bleach and names.

Imagine in One Piece if after Arabasta all 12 agents set sail and became buddies with strawhats and were fighting with them. Take some time to ever learn there names if we did. Plus you keep loosing fight time for every character.

It probably wouldn't be as hard to do in OP as long as they all don't have Japanese looking names I already have hard time remembering names
in Bleach & Worst with that going on.

@Dark:

…wow. Just wow.

Complaining about onoz japanese naems r so HARD TO REMEMBER when you're reading a fucking JAPANESE MANGA.

You want Englishy names, go read X-men or something.

Christ.

They may be Japanese manga but they don't all take place in Japan and as such not all or any of the characters in the story are going to have Japanese
names.

Hinscher

Lets see for Naruto characters I can remember.

Naruto group (Sakura, Sasuke, Kakashi)
Team Gai (Rock Lee, TenTen, Byakugen guy)
1. (Hinata, Insect guy, Dog guy)
2. (Inoshikacho) only know names cause of pig thing in Dragonball named that
3. (Tsunade, Orochimaru, Pervyseinen)
Sand ( Gaara, Puppet guy, Fan girl)
Akatsuki (Itachi, Pen?, Deidera, Satori, Madara/Tobi, ??????)
Kabuto (just cause I read it hear earlier) Haku, Zabuzan, Hokage 1, 2, 3, 4.

Yea that might be it for names I know, I can picture plenty others but no names come to mind.

SSM

@Dark:

…wow. Just wow.

Complaining about onoz japanese naems r so HARD TO REMEMBER when you're reading a fucking JAPANESE MANGA.

You want Englishy names, go read X-men or something.

Christ.

It's a matter of taste of the writer. Maybe Japanese people have an easier time memorizing it, but Americans sure as hell don't.

And they all don't have to be super extravagant names like for example….

Monkey D. Luffy
Roanoa Zoro
Sanji
Nami

ect. It's not like characters have to be named AmauoidhiuehntnajasdnjhaiuyetghjasaMaru or some shit.

I suppose that's why I like reading translations with minor name changes. Even though Viz's Naruto translation doesn't do it, last chapter I read.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@SSM:

It's not like characters have to be named AmauoidhiuehntnajasdnjhaiuyetghjasaMaru or some shit.

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Tsuchirinhon

@Sandai:

Well that's what happens when you have so many characters in a manga
DragonBall kind of did the same.

Bleach is managing to handle all of its characters just fine.

Sandai Mera

What about Renji?

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@Sandai:

What about Renji?

Renji is the man.

He's like Ichigo, but with actual character depth.

Sandai Mera

And with the added fact that he's lost almost every battle he's participated in.

Mr. Lucci

I thought I heard a lot of criticism of Bleach's characters a while back.

Kefky

@Lobster:

Renji is the man.

He's like Ichigo, but with actual character depth.

…Seriously, why do you keep fucking with your heads like this? Is it just to be mean?

Aethos

@Sandai:

And with the added fact that he's lost almost every battle he's participated in.

Meh people like Lee despite him losing all the time. Because of that I'm not surprised that people would like Renji despite him losting all the time too.

Sandai Mera

Lee has historically lost only 2 fights in Naruto wheras Renji has lost like 5 times.

Aethos

@Sandai:

Lee has historically lost only 2 fights in Naruto wheras Renji has lost like 5 times.

And? Lee only HAD two official fights in Naruto against Gaara and Kimimaro. I don't count Lee vs Sasuke since Gai interrupted it and the Lee clone was beaten off screen.

ah wait Lee had one more official fight against the sound ninja… but he lost to them too.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

I still consider Lee owning Sasuke to count.

Anyway, the 1st DVD's out

Impel Down

hey guys

remember Kisame and Sugietsu?

Kaizoku Mele

Only one line made watching that stupid curry of life arc bearable on CN.

Raiga: "I'm getting tired of your ____, you little pipsqueak!"

(I'm wondering what word Viz dubbed in there)

tonitonichopper

LOL they a swear was cencored in tonights dub. Also the episode before had the most non-fluid fight scene ever.

And where does Ten Ten get off being mean and lecturing people? She's freaking Ten-Ten, she's just lucky to even have any dialog!

Rocketboy

@Lobster:

Who the hell is that guy?

Tsuchirinhon

Renji sucks

Stop talking about him

Tommy Swoes

@The:

Only one line made watching that stupid curry of life arc bearable on CN.

Raiga: "I'm getting tired of your ____, you little pipsqueak!"

(I'm wondering what word Viz dubbed in there)

@tonitonichopper:

LOL they a swear was cencored in tonights dub. Also the episode before had the most non-fluid fight scene ever.

So I wasn't the only one who caught that.

Lobster Pot-Sticker

@Cyringohn:

Renji sucks

Stop talking about him

Emperor Time

@Lobster:

I'm surprised that Kishi hasn't even made Hinata actually.. do anything

I thought Hinata was there only for Eye Candy?

Sandai Mera

@Cyringohn:

Renji sucks

Stop talking about him

Lobster Pot-Sticker

Mister_Anbu

If it took me 15 minutes to read One Piece, then it took me 3 minutes to read Naruto.