And? Jenazad was master level even before Hongo was even born, and still was fought equally, damaged and killed by him despite being a lot stronger and skillful (as it was stated in story). That plus the fact Tanaka was training to counter and overcome Kensei battle-style specifically, and became a master in "anti-Kensei" style, makes his quick and humiliating defeat even more weird and unfitting for his story arc (at least as I see it).
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And? Jenazad was master level even before Hongo was even born, and still was fought equally, damaged and killed by him despite being a lot stronger and skillful (as it was stated in story). That plus the fact Tanaka was training to counter and overcome Kensei battle-style specifically, and became a master in "anti-Kensei" style, makes his quick and humiliating defeat even more weird and unfitting for his story arc (at least as I see it).
You're not seeing the things right. You wanted Tanaka to be stronger, so you disregarding everything about is fighting background. Last time we saw Tanaka he wasn't even a master level, he just now turned into one. What I don't understand is why you think that a Master noob is so strong when a lot of others long time Masters are utterly defeated by Yami and Ryozanpaku fighters.
Simply put Hongo is a Yami Karate master, the difference between him and Jenazad is way, but way, shorter than Tanaka and Kensei, as shown by the fights(Kensei don't even used special techniques).
As an example of similar fights you have:
Apachai Vs Bird Guy = Kensei Vs Tanaka. (Apachai/Kensei win is almost certain, MAYBE an unexpected event could happen)
Apachai Vs Elder = Hongo Vs Jenazard. (Possibly Apachai/Hongo could win, but Elder/Jenazard had the advantage)
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You're not seeing the things right. You wanted Tanaka to be stronger, so you disregarding everything about is fighting background. Last time we saw Tanaka he wasn't even a master level, he just now turned into one. What I don't understand is why you think that a Master noob is so strong when a lot of others long time Masters are utterly defeated by Yami and Ryozanpaku fighters.
Simply put Hongo is a Yami Karate master, the difference between him and Jenazad is way, but way, shorter than Tanaka and Kensei, as shown by the fights(Kensei don't even used special techniques).
He still a master in moves that are supposed to be super-effective against Kensei. I'm not saying he should have won, but Kensei walked away with pierced hand is just…not enough.
Really similiar fight happened between Kenichi and Kano, and Kenichi won against much stronger opponent using his will (his highly personal reasons to fight), and moves taught especially for certain opponent. Tanaka had both, and while he isn't main character he didn't put much of a fight. Not as much as he was supposed to, according to hype created around him. -
It's not about levels. Tanaka went into the fight not wanting to win. He wanted to kill or die. Any of the options would bring him some sort of peace. That's why he got some, kind, at the end.
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You're forgetting a simple fact! Tanaka was a newly made Master, while Kensei was a master a long time ago, before he killed Tanaka wife and master. If Yami and Kenichi masters can fodderize other master levels, why wouldn't Kensei fodderize a newly Master Tanaka? He's one of the strongest Yami members.
Why do you think Kensei wasn't really fighting until Tanaka got killing intent? Do you think he would do the same with one of Riyozanpaku? Of course NO! Simply put Kensei would never loose against current Tanaka and he could easily fodderize him if he wanted, Apachai Style. http://i54.tinypic.com/25h0d1j.jpg
that shows the respect he have for other people determination, has shown many times.
I remember Apachai vs Birdman being so awesome. It was just a fight with nothing really personal at stake but the curb-stomping was so deliciously brutal.
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Rimi was pretending to be dead my ass. That was an ass-pull! :getlost:
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Oh, but what if she really was. We already had enough with one major death, I don't want more people to die in vain. Glad she's not dead.
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Two major problems with this chapter.
1. I like that Kenichi had the heart and determination to not waver from the martial arts path and mope around for ten chapters but SOME sort of grieving and emotional conflict would have been appreciated. Tanaka just died, it should have more of an emotional effect on the characters.
2. I like Rimi. I like the Hancock vibe she has with Ryutoo. Yes, it's stupid that she had an extreme life or death match over it but I dp find the character endearing. But lazy asspull is lazy asspull. She shoulda stayed dead.
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Your one point makes no sense. Your second point is just an opinion with which I completely disagree.
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Your one point makes no sense. Your second point is just an opinion with which I completely disagree.
1. What doesn't make sense? I'm glad we didn't get ten chapters of Kenichi being depressed but we ddin't need to go to the other extreme and just have Kenichi get over it. Some emotional turmoil to show that Tanaka's death did matter would have been appreciated.
2. How is it an opinion that her revival was anything short of an asspull?
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1. What doesn't make sense? I'm glad we didn't get ten chapters of Kenichi being depressed but we ddin't need to go to the other extreme and just have Kenichi get over it. Some emotional turmoil to show that Tanaka's death did matter would have been appreciated.
After he was so happy Tanaka finally could meet his wife and son? Nope.
2. How is it an opinion that her revival was anything short of an asspull?
Ryuuto knew she didn't die.
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After he was so happy Tanaka finally could meet his wife and son? Nope.
Wait…what? Is...that how you react when a loved one dies? "Eh it kinda sucks but he went to heaven". Because if it is, that's kinda messed up.
It's fine for Kenichi to find some solace that his spirit reunited with his loved ones but...the man still died. A mentor figure that Kenichi looked up to and related to. Some grieving still needs to happen. This is the moment where the character needs to act the most human so we can relate to the character. Now ask yourself, what would a human being do in that situation? Brushing it off as "Ah well it's fine, he went to heaven" is NOT one of those things.
Ryuuto knew she didn't die.
We were given that information AFTER the fact. To our perspective, it's an asspull. And I would know, I'm the guy who defended Apachai not biting it.
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Wait…what? Is...that how you react when a loved one dies? "Eh it kinda sucks but he went to heaven". Because if it is, that's kinda messed up.
It's fine for Kenichi to find some solace that his spirit reunited with his loved ones but...the man still died. A mentor figure that Kenichi looked up to and related to. Some grieving still needs to happen. This is the moment where the character needs to act the most human so we can relate to the character. Now ask yourself, what would a human being do in that situation? Brushing it off as "Ah well it's fine, he went to heaven" is NOT one of those things.
And what if he already grieved but it wasn't shown? It would have been an unnecesary waste of pages as well.
We were given that information AFTER the fact. To our perspective, it's an asspull. And I would know, I'm the guy who defended Apachai not biting it.
When some characters in One Piece that were supposed to have died for real turn out to be alive, do you react the same?
Bah, I give up.
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And what if he already grieved but it wasn't shown? It would have been an unnecesary waste of pages as well.
Then that would have been bad writing. It's important to allow the readers to go along with the main character's journey and how he handles his most crucial and emotional parts of his journey. It's what we as the readers use to emotionally connect to our protagonist. That's not unnecessary, it's writing 101.
When some characters in One Piece that were supposed to have died for real turn out to be alive, do you react the same?
Jumping to a different argument, now? I'll take that as a concession.
And to address your point, Oda has a track record, him cheating out of death is a given at this point. Matsuena doesn't have that track record, the only big cheats to memory other were Apachai and the Prince. Compared to big deaths like Shou, Jenazad and now Tanaka? I expect better.
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Why do you keep replying to him?
He obviously has no clear grasp of how to write properly a story with character growth and connection. As far as I can see he rather have fighting into fighting and no development, since he is already saying that it was a waste of pages to have some of it.Nor he has the idea of suspension of disbelief. He cannot handle the idea of how you create a world and deliver it, plus how it kills the stakes to do some things.
What do I mean? The easiest example since he brought up one piece, is pell.There was this bomb, that was going to wipe out the entire city, yet he just takes it with him to the sky, it blows on his face, and he survives it, unscrached pretty much. This only gives an awful message, that there were no stakes, he survived it, he didn't take damage from it even though he was hugging it, it's a bomb that could destroy a city but not kill Pell? That, kills the story, by making the bomb seem like a joke, and all thar ugency be for nothing.
Here, you have this technique that can kill you, and she uses it, but she turns out to be fine! So then the stakes, the overextention, and everything involved loose a lot of relevance, since you can get away with it easily in the end.
PD: Jumping out of the argument, doesn't mean consession, in this situation he was mistaken from the get go, but wrong or right, I personally once in a while just abandon an argument when I see the other one unable to follow simple logic. It's sad when delusional people do it, believing to be right when making no solid arguments.
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You clearly don't know me, if this is what you think. I have more an idea of how to write a good story than you will ever have.
But this is it. Rimi aside, if you think the chapter needed some grievance, then so be it, but I think it isn't necessary considering past developments, which would result in an unncessary waste of pages, as I said. Oh, and I'm merely giving my opinion, in case you still haven't noticed.
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When I saw chapter title, I thought Chikage was finally broken and corrupted completely by all those sweets and birthday parties. Shame that it wasn't the case.
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shit, I'm pissed Rimi is still alive. I was hoping we'd be done with her. I mean, I suppose Kensei disrupting the killer chi at the last moment is something he's very capable of doing, but still.
as for Kenichi's lack of grief, I think it was more of the "no time for tears now, I have to work hard to accomplish what he died trying to do, namely fighting kung fu evil" sort of thing. which is fine by me, but I'll agree that it spending a little more time on that rather than two pages in a pointless check-in with the shinpaku alliance would have been nice.
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You clearly don't know me, if this is what you think. I have more an idea of how to write a good story than you will ever have.
But this is it. Rimi aside, if you think the chapter needed some grievance, then so be it, but I think it isn't necessary considering past developments, which would result in an unncessary waste of pages, as I said. Oh, and I'm merely giving my opinion, in case you still haven't noticed.
"you don't know me" then goes to state something about me having far less idea about me. What I said was extracted through your comments, you showed no grasp on several parts of what good storytelling is.
The chapter implied that there was some grievance, but when you don't show it, just mention it, loses weight, and so in that way, the determination of Keniichi loses weight, as you don't see him even for a frame, struggling with Tanaka's death.
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Ugh. Rimi is alive? She really needed to stay dead. She's such a terrible character.
I'm glad Kenichi wasn't wasting time being mopey (or at least showing it in a couple of chapters). I could understand being a but sad about Takeda, but he didn't really know that guy very well.
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This wasn't the chapter I wanted. After such an intense ending, whatever way the story goes can either improve the manga or ruin the momentum Takeda's death created. I want to see the team take a more active approach against Yomi as opposed to letting them constantly attack them, or at least do something different! This chapter, all we got was that Kenichi is kind of awesome while Rimi is a big disappointment. Also, Miu really got lucky she didn't kill someone, and doesn't seem affected by Takeda's death at all. She got no character development, making her rivalry a big waste of time.
Speaking of which, anyone notice that most of the Shinpaku Alliance accomplished nothing during that whole attack? One member got a fight, while the rest just took hits. It's kind of sad. It really irks me that the annoying little girl beat three or four better characters just to reach the same conclusion that she always does…that she wants to be a normal girl as opposed to a martial arts machine. She's a complete dead end of a character.
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Takeda's fight and death were splendid, and have been built up to for some time in this series. So that we skipped the aftermath feels kind of odd?
We really could've dwelled on it a bit longer, but I don't really have a problem with skipping Kenichi's moping either. I'm fine with it being offpanel, if I'm being honest with myself.So what else did we get?
Ryuto left Yomi? Cool. I'm curious to see what he does next.
Rimi lived? Weak. Kill her dead. She's an absolutely awful character, and what's worse, her living means Miu doesn't have to deal with the weight of her victory.
And concerning the Shinpaku Alliance: I agree wholeheartedly with onemoment. The Shinpaku Alliance desperately needs upgrades - get them some Masters, stat!
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After so many years I thought every HSDK's reader would already know that Matsuena is a very irregular author.
He has this really top level moments followed by boring filler chapters and character/story development was never his forte. This was never a really serious manga from the start so I'm not expecting Kenichi to fall into depression or deep thinking after the current events (we already had some of that when he lost to Tirawit anyway)
If anything I would complain about the poor sense of humor. Matsuena should tone down the fanservice a little and care more about the jokes, the series was way funnier in later years.
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Looks like we are getting to the final arc of the series http://www.mangahere.com/manga/historys_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v45/c527/13.html
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I think Rimi's actually a pretty amusing character, so I'm glad she didn't die. Now we have to see what involvement Ryuto will have in all of this and if these two will join Shinpaku.
I didn't get to comment for a while in here, but you guys need to help jog my memory. Was Tanaka's character really all that developed or was everything shoehorned in last second? I thought his death was done well, but I feel like he just sort of appeared out of thin air without any warning.
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A new arc begins. How long we think it's going to take before Miu is 99% naked?
Taking all bets guys, taking all bets!
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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The ending to this chapter was so stupid, and I love it. However, I have to know, was mangahere using a mistranslation? I can't believe anyone would just go "huh" three times in a row (assuming one of them was the mouse talking).
Otherwise, things are going just as I wanted. Someone died, and everyone's being proactive.
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I'm so excited for this arc. Shigure gives the most insane training arcs next to the Elder. I fucking love her character.
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The ending to this chapter was so stupid, and I love it. However, I have to know, was mangahere using a mistranslation? I can't believe anyone would just go "huh" three times in a row (assuming one of them was the mouse talking).
Otherwise, things are going just as I wanted. Someone died, and everyone's being proactive.
I think she was going Hu hu hu which is her weird creepy laugh which basically shows she's going to enjoy this and that Kenichi and co are screwed.
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So she wants to arm the Shinpaku with weapon she forged. That is so great. who knew she was a blacksmith too? I know Shigure always wanted to train kenichi and maybe now is that time
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So many nips….Well this chapter was a bit weird. It repeated dialogue too much. Yeah we get a straight answer about what Shigure was doing but the chapter felt like it hardly had any content so he upped the ecchi.
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That scene with the new weapon guys was a little pointless. Their dialogue was trivial and all we know is that this one dude can hang with the member of Yomi who's lost the most fights so far. Honestly, I got more of an impressive out of Racheal then these other two–for some reason she became a complete spaz and decided to attack some people she didn't know.
Now, the scenes with Shigure weren't great, but even when they go overboard with the fanservice, she' entertaining. Completely unlike Miu.
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Well, this really makes up for how slow the last couple of chapters were
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Last page: Father and son meeting. I want to see a godly fight!
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Well..that took…
3 chapters to get Miu naked.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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I hope this doesn't end as a off-screen battle http://www.mangareader.net/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/531
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I kinda wish that something happens to Elder… I really like him but if he gets knocked out of game (not necessarily killed) then atleast Status quo what have lasted almost 300 chapters between Ryozanpaku and Yami would be shattered and story would start moving again.
For so long this series (while being great) has not progressed story wise that much, mostly its about Kenichi training, taking out Yami master/discliples here and there, more training and nudity scenes, should Ryozanpaku lose invincible superman for even a while it would seriosly shake balance of power between Yami and Ryozanpaku and would put Kenichi and his friends into intresting position.
Though this new master weapon user is being hyped as person who can rival Elder himself, I still have doubts that anyone can even give trouble to Invincible Superman himself, still expecting great fight what author can surely deliver unless this fight will be off-screened (please dont).
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sounds kind of stupid that he knew that it was a trap but decided to go to the island anyway
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If a bad guy beats the elder, then who would beat him? That's the question that's bugging me now.
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Yokiou might be on similar level than the Elder but after all he is still under Miu's father thumb.
Meaning that he could give us a great show but if he were able to kill the Elder he would be ruling Yami as a whole and not the armed division alone.
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Intresting development…sh*t might hit the fan.
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An entire chapter dedicated to telling us that elder is away and something bad might happen. Plus, it's tough to tell how many masters are involved.
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a new bunc of enemies….i wonder how many hundreds chapters more until Kenichi reaches master level..
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Yokiou might be on similar level than the Elder but after all he is still under Miu's father thumb.
Meaning that he could give us a great show but if he were able to kill the Elder he would be ruling Yami as a whole and not the armed division alone.
I believe Yokiou isn't from the armed division, but from a separated group, of armed guys, that have connection with the Yami, in particular the armed division. If I am wrong, than the Yami armed division is separated from the unnarmed division in a way where they are almost two different entities (I could check if they are separated groups or only the armed division, but is to much work). Either way The Elder son isn't the Leader of everything, but only of the Shadow 9 fists, while Yokiou is the leader of the Hachiou Executioner Blade. This two groups join together in order of the Eternal Setting Sun plan. This means that Yokiou, the Elder son and the Elder probable have the same level(The Elder might be a little stronger then the other 2).
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a new bunc of enemies….i wonder how many hundreds chapters more until Kenichi reaches master level..
I doubt he'll reach "master level" in the span of the manga's story arc. I'm fully expecting him to rise to the very top the the disciple class, perhaps bordering on the lower edges of a young master, beating all the enemy disciples, while the masters beat the enemy masters.
Then for the epilogue, flash forward like 20 years or whatever, and now he's a fully-fledged master and living at ryozanpaku with his waifu Miu, and they'll do the whole introduction thing for each master, ending with him, who is still being trained by the other masters at ryozanpaku, thus making him "The strongest in history… though he is but the disciple", as early blurbs used to say
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Master Kenichi will appear in the epilogue.
Ryouzanpaku introduction with Shinpaku masters.
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Last time I checked the manga was called Hystory's Strongest Disciple Kenichi.
A desciple cant be a master?
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so anybody else think ther might be some wepon Katsujin people on the shinpaku alliance side? I know they have the valkaries but they not even at a captains strenght now.
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Sai will probably side with them, since Shigure mentioned that one day she was gonna return the sword she took from him.
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maybe freyas master/grandfather as well
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