I don't consider Blueno or Nero to be fodder. Jerry was… he was defeated pretty easily. But both Blueno and Nero gave Luffy and Franky, respectively, some trouble. Franky had to trick Nero in order to defeat him, while Luffy had to use Gear 2nd. (I think Luffy could eventually defeat Blueno without Gear, since Luffy seemed to have more control of the fight. However, without Gear 2nd, the victory would not come so quickly).
Which character was most disappointing when revealed as fodder?
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During Arabasta, Robin was a cannon fodder… For being Crocodile's second in command... she basically did nothing. She hurt, more then helped his organization.
Also, Conis was a cannon fodder.
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I don´t understand why they even let him join the CP9, since he could only use four of the six basic rokushiki abilities.
Actually, I believe he was in CP7.
The first poster defined fodder - a character who you think deserved a longer fight scene but instead was quickly beaten up to show that another character was a lot stronger.
So can we stop the fooking semantics?
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T-bone and Captain John were the ones that annoyed me the most.
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@Mr.:
Actually, I believe he was in CP7.
No, he was definatly CP9, a NEW CP9 recruit at that, but still CP9.
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Mr. Half: No, I'm pretty sure he was the new guy in CP9.
Jerry was CP6 and Wanze CP7 (or the other way around) and they showed no sign of rokushiki.
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^That "Ramen Kempo Dude" was cool enough to be a CP9…
He should have been a cannon fodder, but wasn't.
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Well, what about the "dangerous" robber in the first chapters of OP that made fun of Luffy?
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Well, what about the "dangerous" robber in the first chapters of OP that made fun of Luffy?
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I think fodder, by the thread creator's definition, are characters that we hoped to have a good fight when they were shown or when they first used their powers, but then were defeated very easily.
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that's what I meant
Not using fodder as the nameless character idea but rather cool dudes who SEEMED to be strong but then just got stomped on. Like Blueno. Like Jerry. Like PELL. Although he did later come back and took up a suicide mission that he survived.
Personally I don't think Absalom would be counted as fodder. He was one of the main fights of this arc (a crappy fight, but nonetheless)
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skarlath: List all the characters you think could be considered fodder. then (if you are still allowed to do that) PM a mod about opening a poll.
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Not really sure on some of them being fodder. Heck, Blueno really showed himself off before Gear 2 so I say he got in a respectable fight compared to the likes of Chaka, Jerry, Miss Monday (unless you consider nearly beating Nami in a drinking contest as showing off) or Dalton. (never really liked him even though the Ushi-Ushi Bison fruit was cool.)
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General Zombies.
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Poor Mr. 9…
Did he really die? Fron just one Nose Fancy? Ussop took, like 5…
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Rushio and the Guy BB killed to get his stupid fruit.
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WBs first division commander is cannon fodder?
We didn't even see that fight…...
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What about Bellamy? :P
Anyways, the General Zombies (Except Ryuuma) had so much potential, but I think Oda had to rush things to make things work properly…
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Why is everyone still thinking that fodder are characters who have shitty fights? Despite they have an important role in an arc.
EDIT: Hmm, nevermind now. I just saw Skalath's view.
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Why do you insist on posting this image in EVERY thread?
Because I don't :D
I was using "surprised Crocodile" before.!
I guess I'll have to get something new againOh, And for me it'd be Absolom, and Capitan John.
Capitan John looked awesome… I wanted Ussop to fight him.. Oda just has to bring him back!! D=
(he was the 4 armed headless Zombie General, right?)And atleast Absolom got to show off some. He defeated Ussop and Chopper with one move, remember?
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Considering that Coby has learned soru, and that he's not in the CP9, I think that's proof that a person doesn't need to be in the CP9 to learn Rokushiki. I think Nero just thought he was sufficient with 4 of the Rokushiki.
Coby is also training under Garp, so that's not the best example.
The point is that it's pretty obvious that you need to learn Rokukishi from some high level of the Marines. It's not like you train at home in your bedroom, then you go fill out an application to be in CP9.
It's just completely dumb to assume that everybody in CP9 has been as strong as they are throughout their entire time in that group of Cipher Pol, especially when Jyabura confirmed otherwise by stating that he was stronger than Kaku before their five year undercover operation.
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I actually am still confused to what people actually were hoping to put up against Luffy. Did someone really think that a 55 million antagonist would put up a fight at all against the 100 million protagonist who just defeated a friggin´ Shichibukai in an epic fight? Yeah, I know bounties and strenght levels and all but please people, what did you expect?
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Did someone really think that a 55 million antagonist would put up a fight at all against the 100 million protagonist who just defeated a friggin´ Shichibukai in an epic fight?
I've actually had people argue with me that Bellamy could defeat Crocodile… because Bellamy's bounty was higher then Croc's past bounty...
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@Lobster:
I've actually had people argue with me that Bellamy could defeat Crocodile… because Bellamy's bounty was higher then Croc's past bounty...
What in the name of flying hippos are you talking about? I hope you pointed out to them that Crocs frozen bounty was 81 and bellamys somewhere around 50.
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I actually am still confused to what people actually were hoping to put up against Luffy. Did someone really think that a 55 million antagonist would put up a fight at all against the 100 million protagonist who just defeated a friggin´ Shichibukai in an epic fight? Yeah, I know bounties and strenght levels and all but please people, what did you expect?
But Foxy had an even lower bounty than Bellamy. Bellamy was just plain stupid due to his cockyness, so it's not like the bounty thing really matters that much.
In fact, I think that even now Foxy could keep up with Luffy. Foxy is after all the only character that could truly abuse of the weakness of the Gears by slowing down Luffy's blood pressure to cancel Gear2 or making Gear3 even slower than it already is.
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@Lobster:
Capitan John looked awesome… I wanted Ussop to fight him.. Oda just has to bring him back!! D=
(he was the 4 armed headless Zombie General, right?)no that was the unnamed "gunslinger"
captain john was a drunkard who kept his swords in his body
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That Zombie wasn't Captain John, anyways. Like Absalom pointed out, I doubt the drunkard personality really lived up to the reputation of Captain John.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
But Foxy had an even lower bounty than Bellamy. Bellamy was just plain stupid due to his cockyness, so it's not like the bounty thing really matters that much.
That´s why I said "yeah, boutnies and strenght levels…" meaning that I´m aware that it doesn´t necessarily indicate a strenght ranking but still it can give us an indicator by the sole characterizations.
And as far as Foxy concerned - He himself said, that it a game is something different then a real fight. That was Oda´s way of saying the difference in bounties means shit in the Davey Back Fight...
In fact, I think that even now Foxy could keep up with Luffy. Foxy is after all the only character that could truly abuse of the weakness of the Gears by slowing down Luffy's blood pressure to cancel Gear2 or making Gear3 even slower than it already is.
…aswell as it means that Foxy doesn´t stand a chance in a real fight against Luffy.
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yeah it's not that hard to win a fight when the battle field is made specifically to give you the advantage.
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Re-reading the Foxy vs. Luffy fight, we see Luffy in several moments gaining rather easily the upper hand. Indeed, Luffy is so fast (even without Gears) that in several moments he hits Foxy before Foxy can even react.
Foxy gave Luffy a run for his money because he made the fight happen in his ship, where he had a lot of traps and tricks at his disposal. In a straight fight, Foxy could even get a few surprise hits, but he would not stand a chance.
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In a fair fight, Foxy would freeze Luffy and toss him into the sea…
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LPS… How the hell would he do that? even the reaction to Foxys actions were delayed. which means you cant drag someone hit by the noru noru beam around. (they were suspended in midair... not to hard to figure out you cant move them while "frozen")
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Moria until the recent chapter. And maybe Spandam.
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LPS… How the hell would he do that? even the reaction to Foxys actions were delayed. which means you cant drag someone hit by the noru noru beam around. (they were suspended in midair... not to hard to figure out you cant move them while "frozen")
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Well he could toss him into the sea, and THEN freeze him.
Then shoot him with a kairoseki gun. :3
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@Lobster:
In a fair fight, Foxy would freeze Luffy and toss him into the sea…
Like already said, you can move someone while they are under the effect of the Noro Noro.
Also, the noroma beam needs to first HIT the target. Re-read the fight! Luffy dodges the beams a lot of times! Foxy needed to use tricks and traps in order to pose a threat to Luffy. In a fair fight, Luffy would have little problem defeating Foxy. Also, Luffy was using gloves. That alone should reduce the impact of his attacks.
I am not saying Foxy would be easy, mind you. He would hit Luffy a few times and use a lot of tricks and traps anyway. However, Luffy would have a lot more of freedom to act and would not be using gloves. Foxy would give some trouble, but would fall much faster than, say, Arlong or Blueno.
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Well my definition of fodder is the same of a jobber, someone who's soul purpose is to show off the power/significant technique of a new character or show the the new power/significant technique of an already established character. My list of fodder characters include Pearl, Purrinpurrin, Chessmarimo, Roshio (sorta) Genbou, Shura (I think that was his name), T-Bone, Blueno, & Inupen.
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@Lobster:
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Well he could toss him into the sea, and THEN freeze him.
Then shoot him with a kairoseki gun. :3
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I highly doubt a noronoro beam would pierce the sea to reach Luffy. Besides, Foxy would never be able to get Luffy into the sea anyway.
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Also, the noroma beam needs to first HIT the target. Re-read the fight! Luffy dodges the beams a lot of times!
Luffy got hit by the beam ATLEAST 20 times during that fight…
(can't wait until Funi gets there)
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I can`'t tell anymore… Is LPS serious or not?
What would even be the point of hitting Luffy with the noru beam after he has been tossed in the ocean? That would just prevent him from sinkinig (possibly makeing it easier for his friends to rescue him).
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^Ahh, I guess your right.
Maybe is Foxy used Roukushi CP9 martial arts, then his devil fruit power would be more effective…
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Foxy could easily win every fight against any (non-logia) fighter.
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Hit 'em with the Noro-Noro beam. If the guy you were going against, did not know about this, at least one hit is pretty much guarenteed.
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Slit the opponent's throat. With a knife, or sword or whatever.
Done.
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obviously he wasn't that strong cause bb beat him.
The only thing bb has going for him is his DF.
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My idea of fodder is someone who was created for the soul purpose of dying within the short amount of time they are there…
Think Star Terk away team extras...
The guy Bellamy killed fits this discription.
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Gedatsu, although he was funny
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Gedatsu wasn't fodder.
T-Bone and the freaking Buster Call marine captains.
Oh, and Absalom. That whole fiasco was basically Oda telling us to suck Sanji's dick.
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BlackBeard's physical abilities are high as well. Now all ACE has going for him is his Devils Fruit.
After 1 or 2 hits from Blackbeard, he was all but done for.What the hell makes you say that? Ace was pretty damn strong physically (Luffy talked about he was never able to beat him before Ace had his DF, I know Luffy was weak then, but that doesn't mean that ace never trained physically after that era), but I do agree he wasn't a match for BB (whom we know scarred Shanks before he had a DF)
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BlackBeard's physical abilities are high as well. Now all ACE has going for him is his Devils Fruit.
After 1 or 2 hits from Blackbeard, he was all but done for.Dude, Ace was fine without his fruit. Van Auger even said that himself. He said that most Logia users, would not be used to getting hit, but he declared that Ace was much better than that. One or two hits from Blackbeard is a shit load, remember he messed up Shanks even before he got his fruit.
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Cerberus, and the #700??? Or whatever zombie it was that they showed.
