@E7x:
If he was the boss what is Vergo then? Other than obviously stronger than CC.
Vergo and CC work for the same boss, so comparing them is a moot point. Vergo's strong, but CC is stronger because he can just asphyxiate him. Plus, CC is a genius scientist and Vergo is a bit of an idiot (I.E. not noticing food stuck to the side of his face).
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@E7x:
If he was the boss what is Vergo then? Other than obviously stronger than CC.
Vergo and CC work for the same boss, so comparing them is a moot point. Vergo's strong, but CC is stronger because he can just asphyxiate him. Plus, CC is a genius scientist and Vergo is a bit of an idiot (I.E. not noticing food stuck to the side of his face).
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Vergo is pretty much confirmed as stronger than smoker.Law is stronger than CC and smoker so it makes since to assume vergo whos been VA for 15 years is stronger than CC.
@Fire Fist:
For that matter, even though Doflamingo has been shown to have some sort of string DF, it's possible he could be a string logia, as weird as that sounds. Something like Jolyne Kujo's powers…
IMHO, anything that is not solid can be logia. Even Kizaru thought that straws (Hawkins) could be logia, until he confirmed that the body was solid, so he knew it was paramecia.
So far we've seen Enel and the admirals with logia DFs which casually contain enormous energy, but I suppose from now on we'll see more "ordinary" logias like Smoker's and Caribou's, or tricky ones like CCs. Or perhaps some like Ace's or Croc's, which I consider to be just below the top level.
If one of the yonkou has a logia DFs, however, I expect one that at least in par with the admirals'.
Now, do acid logia (predicted for BM by some people) and metal logia (for Kaido) have the massive destructive powers like Enel's or the admirals'?
@Fire Fist:
Vergo and CC work for the same boss, so comparing them is a moot point. Vergo's strong, but CC is stronger because he can just asphyxiate him. Plus, CC is a genius scientist and Vergo is a bit of an idiot (I.E. not noticing food stuck to the side of his face).
Seein as how CC pointed out that Law was stronger than him….yeah i doubt it. Vergo would own CC easily.
IMHO, anything that is not solid can be logia. Even Kizaru thought that straws (Hawkins) could be logia, until he confirmed that the body was solid, so he knew it was paramecia.
So far we've seen Enel and the admirals with logia DFs which casually contain enormous energy, but I suppose from now on we'll see more "ordinary" logias like Smoker's and Caribou's, or tricky ones like CCs. Or perhaps some like Ace's or Croc's, which I consider to be just below the top level.
If one of the yonkou has a logia DFs, however, I expect one that at least in par with the admirals'.
Now, do acid logia (predicted for BM by some people) and metal logia (for Kaido) have the massive destructive powers like Enel's or the admirals'?
I doubt both Kaidou and BM will have Logia DF though. We will see but right now it´s really hard for me to think of another possible Logia fruit 
What exactly is a Logia is hard to classify, in my opinion–especially since Oda added Blackbeard (Dark Dark Fruit), Kizaru (Light Light Fruit), and Caribou (Swamp Swamp Fruit) into the mix; things, which, aren't really elemental.
With this in mind, some possible Logia:
1. Sound Sound Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate soundwaves.
2. Wind Wind Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate wind (rumored by many to be Monkey D. Dragon's possible DF).
//I think we have too many...air Logia users already (Smoker & CC).
3. Aether Aether Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate aether.
//According to ancient and medieval science aether (Greek αἰθήρ aithēr[1]), also spelled æther or ether, is the material that fills the region of the universe above the terrestrial sphere.
//The word αἰθήρ (aithēr) in Homeric Greek means "pure, fresh air" or "clear sky", imagined in Greek mythologyto be the pure essence where the gods lived and which they breathed, analogous to the air breathed by mortals (also personified as a deity, Aether, the son of Erebus and Nyx).
4. Nature Nature Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate plant matter (i.e. leaves, bark, grass etc.).
5. Stone Stone Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate stone.
6. Data Data Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate data (i.e. enter, and take direct control of a Pacifista).
7. Acid Acid Fruit
–User can turn into and manipulate acid (rumored by many to be Big Mam's possible DF).
All just off the top of my head.
Pretty sure Logia has been described as simply forces of nature, which accounts for every Logia seen thus far.
Pretty sure Logia has been described as simply forces of nature, which accounts for every Logia seen thus far.
I wouldn't really count darkness or swamp (especially) as a "force of nature"; light…maybe. And though not canon, there was a candy syrup and even a paper Logia.
@The:
I wouldn't really count darkness or swamp (especially) as a "force of nature"
Swamp is as much of a force of nature as Magma is, if a bit less glorious. Water + earth instead of heat + earth. And I never thought it adhered strictly to the "actual nature" thing, more like physical forces on Earth, which include light and darkness.
And though not canon, there was a candy syrup and even a paper Logia.
You're addressing your own argument right there.
@The:
I wouldn't really count darkness or swamp (especially) as a "force of nature"; light…maybe. And though not canon, there was a candy syrup and even a paper Logia.
Balckbeard darkness=black hole=force of nature.
IMHO, anything that is not solid can be logia. Even Kizaru thought that straws (Hawkins) could be logia, until he confirmed that the body was solid, so he knew it was paramecia.
So far we've seen Enel and the admirals with logia DFs which casually contain enormous energy, but I suppose from now on we'll see more "ordinary" logias like Smoker's and Caribou's, or tricky ones like CCs. Or perhaps some like Ace's or Croc's, which I consider to be just below the top level.
If one of the yonkou has a logia DFs, however, I expect one that at least in par with the admirals'.
Now, do acid logia (predicted for BM by some people) and metal logia (for Kaido) have the massive destructive powers like Enel's or the admirals'?
Wait, ice isn't solid?
Kizaru confirmed that Hawkins wasn't a Logia because he felt pain and couldn't regenerate.
@Fire Fist:
Although my hope is that he's a Dwarf in a mech, it'd also be neat to see Kaidou with some kind of metal logia, as some have suggested. My pitch is for a Mercury logia, which would be extremely deadly. He'd be like the second terminator for One Piece.
I'm hoping for a Gundam to be Kaidou actually. I don't care wat the pilot[Kaidou] actually looks like, just want a best ass MegaZord to kick ass.
Bonus: Dwarf, Metal Logia, Robotic attachments also have DF's.
But No Mercury, I'd rather it just be metal, CC doesn't have to be a specific gas so Y should he be a specific metal
=D
Wait, ice isn't solid?
Kizaru confirmed that Hawkins wasn't a Logia because he felt pain and couldn't regenerate.
Except that Kuzan is not really ice. His DF, Hie Hie no Mi, is actually Chill Chill Fruit. He's more condensed frosts than an ice block.
In solid I meant as opposed to able to disintegrate and integrate at will into and from tiny particles, which make the body fluid. Because even sand particles are basically solid, but the user's (Croc's) body is not formed by only a single sand, so it's not solid. Just like Kuzan's body is formed by tiny frosts, that if they harden, they become ice.
@Fire Fist:
CC is a genius scientist
You forget the part where he's extremely incompetent.
I like this idea, it would fit better than Kaidou having a rock logia (which I think will appear somewhere in the NW).
I don't think we can say either of them would "fit him" when we know just about nothing about him.
Except that Kuzan is not really ice. His DF, Hie Hie no Mi, is actually Chill Chill Fruit. He's more condensed frosts than an ice block.
In solid I meant as opposed to able to disintegrate and integrate at will into and from tiny particles, which make the body fluid. Because even sand particles are basically solid, but the user's (Croc's) body is not formed by only a single sand, so it's not solid. Just like Kuzan's body is formed by tiny frosts, that if they harden, they become ice.
He is an ice block. We've saw him being broken into large pieces of ice.
He is an ice block. We've saw him being broken into large pieces of ice.
Okay, perhaps I didn't say it correctly. He is ice, ice block even. But he's not an ice block that is formed from liquid water, which is very solid, but from condensed frosts/snow flakes, which is somewhat solid but also can be fluid/disintegrate freely.
The word used by Rayleigh to explain logia's user's body in Japanese is 流動 (flow), which is from the kanji "flow" and "motion". Furthermore, attaching the kanji "body" to "flow" (流動体) makes it having the meaning of "liquid". So we can conclude that logia (with exception of BB's DF) is determined by how the body can be fluid.
So, any solid material can be logia IF AND ONLY IF the user can disintegrate into the pieces of it (again, with exception of BB's DF), i.e., Jozu could be logia if he could disintegrate into diamond dust.
Just an idea
If (big IF) the super nova alliance of Luffy, Law and Kidd, Hawkins and Apoo is targeting Big Mom, then maybe Kaido's function is to give the Marines a target.
By which Akainu as Fleet Admiral is now leading a more aggressive Marine fleet into the New World, challenging the Yonkou head-on. Perhaps he's set his sights (or Oda has plotted it so) that Akainu is going after another Yonkou, maybe Kaido is more ruthless and dangerous to the Marines if left alone or left to last. It makes a nice contrast to Marineford where it was Yonkou Whitebeard attacking the Marines defending. Would be nice to see the Marines attacking Kaidou's stronghold(s) in an epic siege. His top men fighting off the new admirals and new additions to the Marines.
If Shanks is primarily his crew and ship and so is Blackbeard, making it difficult to confornt them head-on, and Big Mom is slated to be defeated by Luffy and the Super Novas, that leaves Kaidou as the only Yonkou left. So Akainu leads the Marines to victory over Kaidou, Big Mom is defeated. Now the more plot-relevant Yonkous can drive the narrative onwards (Shanks and Blackbeard) towards One Piece and the incoming war.
all of this is wild speculation of course
Had the weirdest dream last night involving One Piece, and the reveal of Kaido(u).
If my dream is at all accurate, Kaido(u) has one f-ed up crew, and he's pretty messed up himself. (He wears some sort of mask).
Was pretty much like this:
@The:
Had the weirdest dream last night involving One Piece, and the reveal of Kaido(u).
If my dream is at all accurate, Kaido(u) has one f-ed up crew, and he's pretty messed up himself. (He wears some sort of mask).
Was pretty much like this:
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4702921163146835&id=193a931e423758b105794bb48f4c6a14
Define "f-ed up" and "messed up". As in crazy bastards? As in serial killers? As in traumatized school girls?
Supporter of the "Fire-Cutting Style" theory. Sympathizer of the "Cerberus" theory.
I don't think we can say either of them would "fit him" when we know just about nothing about him.
Very true… I think I should have said a power of that level (not a rock logia specifically) would be a good fit.
Define "f-ed up" and "messed up". As in crazy bastards? As in serial killers? As in traumatized school girls?
I remember Kaido(u) himself mostly, and I remember his "big shot" people were 3 guys and 1 girl.
1. Kaido(u) had more than a single mask with many faces on it, that, rotated around and reflect his current mood. (Luffy was matched up with Kaido(u) to fight, of course). Kaido(u) was also pretty quiet; a man of few words. (I also think Kaido(u)'s mask was connected to his Devil Fruit, which was a Paramecia type; not 100% sure).
2. The only "big shot" girl was Kaido(u)'s assistant; she, in a way, was also his voice–since he didn't seem to speak much. (She also has a Devil Fruit). Personality wise, she was kinda-sorta like Nico Robin and Monet, and in fact, is "matched up" against Nami AND Nico Robin to fight.
3. The right-hand man of Kaido(u) was some sort of crazed serial killer. And, of course, he is "matched up" against Zoro. (I can't seem to remember if he had a Devil Fruit or not--but like the others, he could use Haki well).
4. The last guy (or guys) is the weirdest. Was a pair of conjoined twins with polar opposite personalities--one was very happy, and the other very sad--each having a Devil Fruit; a strong one, of course. Usopp and Sanji were matched up against them.
Chopper, Franky, and Brook took on Kaido(u) crew fodder for the most part in my dream. (I think Jinbe was a part of the crew too, but, he got defeated by Kaido(u) while trying to "defend" Luffy from fighting him).
@The:
I remember Kaido(u) himself mostly, and I remember his "big shot" people were 3 guys and 1 girl.
1. Kaido(u) had more than a single mask with many faces on it, that, rotated around and reflect his current mood. (Luffy was matched up with Kaido(u) to fight, of course). Kaido(u) was also pretty quiet; a man of few words. (I also think Kaido(u)'s mask was connected to his Devil Fruit, which was a Paramecia type; not 100% sure).
2. The only "big shot" girl was Kaido(u)'s assistant; she, in a way, was also his voice–since he didn't seem to speak much. (She also has a Devil Fruit). Personality wise, she was kinda-sorta like Nico Robin and Monet, and in fact, is "matched up" against Nami AND Nico Robin to fight.
3. The right-hand man of Kaido(u) was some sort of crazed serial killer. And, of course, he is "matched up" against Zoro. (I can't seem to remember if he had a Devil Fruit or not--but like the others, he could use Haki well).
4. The last guy (or guys) is the weirdest. Was a pair of conjoined twins with polar opposite personalities--one was very happy, and the other very sad--each having a Devil Fruit; a strong one, of course. Usopp and Sanji were matched up against them.
Chopper, Franky, and Brook took on Kaido(u) crew fodder for the most part in my dream. (I think Jinbe was a part of the crew too, but, he got defeated by Kaido(u) while trying to "defend" Luffy from fighting him).
Wow you seem to remember quite well :D Anyways, even if this isn't how Kaidou is going to turn out, it is a damn nice alternative.
Anyone else think that Kaidou will have something to do with Elbaf? For some reason that just crossed my mind… we've been waiting to see Elbaf almost as long as we have to see Fishman Island, so it's long overdue. For some reason, Kaidou strikes me as the kind of guy to enslave giants to do his work, so I believe somehow he'll be involved when Elbaf shows up.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
Anyone else think that Kaidou will have something to do with Elbaf? For some reason that just crossed my mind… we've been waiting to see Elbaf almost as long as we have to see Fishman Island, so it's long overdue. For some reason, Kaidou strikes me as the kind of guy to enslave giants to do his work, so I believe somehow he'll be involved when Elbaf shows up.
Could be very well possible but i hope it doesn´t come true. Although it is evident that the Yonkou pretty much control all of the NW, i really want some of the arcs to have nothing to do with either WG, Shichibukai or Emperors. Wano for example should be one of those arcs, Elbaf hopefully will be, too.
WOW.. Kaidou will be my favourite in the OP world if he enslaved giants ! It just seems so badass lol
I'm really looking forward to the introduction of Kaido in the manga. Because he has been mentioned such a long time ago but has yet to make an appearance, I'm pretty sure Oda is saving him for something really big.
I can definitely see Kaido being the last opponent before the Straw Hats take on the Blackbeard Pirates. I also think that by the time the Straw Hats fight Kaido, they will most likely be a complete crew, with Jinbe and whoever the last member is having already joined.
I really hope that they take on Kaido and his crew on their own, without alliances or anything like that. Whether they will be capable of doing it alone or not, it depends on how much they will grow on their upcoming fights, especially against Big Mom and Doflamingo.
I'm really looking forward to the introduction of Kaido in the manga. Because he has been mentioned such a long time ago but has yet to make an appearance, I'm pretty sure Oda is saving him for something really big.
I can definitely see Kaido being the last opponent before the Straw Hats take on the Blackbeard Pirates. I also think that by the time the Straw Hats fight Kaido, they will most likely be a complete crew, with Jinbe and whoever the last member is having already joined.
I really hope that they take on Kaido and his crew on their own, without alliances or anything like that. Whether they will be capable of doing it alone or not, it depends on how much they will grow on their upcoming fights, especially against Big Mom and Doflamingo.
I, too, think that that will be the progress. At this point, it would be far too early for them to take one of the Yonkou alone, so the Pirate Alliance was a really good idea from Oda. From then they will take down the strongest one of the Shichibukai besides Mihawk, who is reserved for Zoro, and should grow through several different arcs (Elbaf, Vegapunk Arc etc.) until they finally can down take one of the Yonkou alone.
WOW.. Kaidou will be my favourite in the OP world if he enslaved giants ! It just seems so badass lol
I very much doubt even an Emperor could enslave a race of warrior giants…..they are proud warriors that would rather die than be slaves to any1.
I very much doubt even an Emperor could enslave a race of warrior giants…..they are proud warriors that would rather die than be slaves to any1.
Yeah that's true. I was just saying it would be really cool lol 
Slavery's cool? Lolwut?
I'm really looking forward to the introduction of Kaido in the manga. Because he has been mentioned such a long time ago but has yet to make an appearance, I'm pretty sure Oda is saving him for something really big.
I can definitely see Kaido being the last opponent before the Straw Hats take on the Blackbeard Pirates. I also think that by the time the Straw Hats fight Kaido, they will most likely be a complete crew, with Jinbe and whoever the last member is having already joined.
I really hope that they take on Kaido and his crew on their own, without alliances or anything like that. Whether they will be capable of doing it alone or not, it depends on how much they will grow on their upcoming fights, especially against Big Mom and Doflamingo.
This, basically.
So what everyone is saying is… They love Kaido(u) (like myself)? Seriously... Kaido(u)'s one of my favorite characters in One Piece, and we haven't even seen him yet.
In my opinion though, he's:
1. The former Roger Pirate, Scopper Gaban.
OR
2. A new character, who is either:
–Franky's father
--A dwarf (yes, they exist in One Piece lore)
--This guy:
Don't mind the circle, just mind the picture itself.
@The:
minding the circle<
Wow, that's an interesting detail. We all know that Oda doesn't usually randomly put these kind of things (I bet you, we'll find out what ship Gaimon was part of), and that is something I haven't noticed.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
"scrutinizes every chapter from the beginning of the series to check for that circled symbol"
And in the first's pictures top right panel is kaidou wearing a bandana with a jolly roger, a normal skull, some weird ass tattoo he may have…
Watched old episodes and I have this theory. So Frankys father abanded him and he was pirate. Maybe his father is kaidou? I kinda thought about it becaus Kaidous one of favorite island had some mechanical stuff and so. Would be cool if Kaidou was indeed Frankys father.
Or Robin's father is Kaido(u), and he wasn't actually dead to begin with. (Her father was a pirate, right)?
@The:
Or Robin's father is Kaido(u), and he wasn't actually dead to begin with. (Her father was a pirate, right)?
No, her father was an archaeologist who died. Olivia was fulfilling his dream by researching the Poneglyphs at sea.
I would be surprised if Kaidou and/or Big Mam has no connection to other major players or at least people the SHs have encountered. I don't mean Kaidou is x person's brother or whatnot but I think for him to be relevant later on he'll need some connection to the SHs.
I would be surprised if Kaidou and/or Big Mam has no connection to other major players or at least people the SHs have encountered. I don't mean Kaidou is x person's brother or whatnot but I think for him to be relevant later on he'll need some connection to the SHs.
Why do I have this feeling that Moria will appear when we start the Kaidou saga? So far hes like the only conection the SHs have with that yonkou.
Wonder if Blackbeard can swallow Cesar mass destruction weapon with his yami yami fruit.
Wonder if Blackbeard can swallow Cesar mass destruction weapon with his yami yami fruit.
and producing the largest (and most toxic) fart in the history of man :ninja:
Magellan's poison would have killed him had Shiliew not brought him the antidote. Blackbeard can absorb things, but he also takes full damage in the process.
If he uses his black hole to gravitate things towards him, i don't think he's affected. It's sort of sent into a wormhole, whereas an attack directed attack him will fully hit him with possibly extra damage, as previously stated. Like in the case with Magellan, he didn't use his vortex, they just got smothered by venom, and shilliew saved their asses.
I read this a while ago and I really like the idea
Black beard ate a mythic zoan type fruit type : Cerberus. Thus being able to have more than 1 devil fruit because he has 3 bodies. Also relates to his flag (3 skulls)
Also in regards to kaido I like the idea Of him being in Rogers crew. But then u think rayleighing would of mentioned something. But he might have changed his name or something. Also don't like idea of him being cyborg. There has been so much to do with cyborges. And there is still vegapunk to be introduced and he will have a lot to do with them
Also I can see kid( or 1 supernovas) becoming a yonko. But that would prob be big mama they would replace. And I think sh will fight them. Be an awesome arc if kid alliance go against big mama and SH gets tided in somehow
I read this a while ago and I really like the idea
Black beard ate a mythic zoan type fruit type : Cerberus. Thus being able to have more than 1 devil fruit because he has 3 bodies. Also relates to his flag (3 skulls)
I think it's pretty much set in stone that he ate the darkness logia. And that his ability to absorb more than one DF is something attributed to his body (I forgot what Marco said)
Also in regards to kaido I like the idea Of him being in Rogers crew. But then u think rayleighing would of mentioned something. But he might have changed his name or something. Also don't like idea of him being cyborg. There has been so much to do with cyborges. And there is still vegapunk to be introduced and he will have a lot to do with them
Hmm interesting theory but surely he would've been either recognized and destroyed by the World Government (Rayleigh only survived cus he was incredibly strong and hid himself from WG)
Even if he's strong enough or far enough in the new world to escape the WG, surely someone would've mentioned it? Shanks would've known him (and they fought even though they were nakama), or Rayleigh when he mentioned Shanks was in the crew, etc
I think it's pretty much set in stone that he ate the darkness logia. And that his ability to absorb more than one DF is something attributed to his body (I forgot what Marco said)
Hmm interesting theory but surely he would've been either recognized and destroyed by the World Government (Rayleigh only survived cus he was incredibly strong and hid himself from WG)
Even if he's strong enough or far enough in the new world to escape the WG, surely someone would've mentioned it? Shanks would've known him (and they fought even though they were nakama), or Rayleigh when he mentioned Shanks was in the crew, etc
If Kaido(u) is Scopper Gaban, the so-called "Third Strongest of the Roger Pirates" (Roger's = Gold, Rayleigh = Silver, Scopper = Bronze) he wouldn't have been killed. Also, we don't know if Shanks and Kaido(u) fought each other, when Kaido(u) was making a movie against Whitebeard. We simply know the issue was resolved, and Shanks showed up at Marineford; they could have talked it out for all we know.
Have some Scopper/Kaido(u) action!
Never thought of Kaidou being Scopper Gaban. I'm not sure if I want that or not, but thinking about it you'd expect a strong looking ex-Roger pirate to be monstrous in strength. He looks younger than Roger but obviously older than Shanks, which puts him at an age where he might not have lost much fighting ability. But the whole story of how he became a "bad guy" is what I'm dreading, which is why I'm not sure if it'll be worth adding him to the plot as Kaidou.
=D
