Hmmm doesnt it only apply to tangible logia DF users? What about smoke or sand which can freely change its shape.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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I brought this up a looong time ago, and then forgot, and then remembered, and then brought it up again…but I cannot find either post. Anyway, I just wanted to state this for the record: I think Momonga will have the Risu Risu Fruit. (Squirrel Squirrel Fruit). I doubt it would have a model, but if it did, then model 'Momonga' (Flying Squirrel) would be it...
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Stronger is Thatch. That would be really wtf !
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! Mihawk suspected that WB is weaker than he should be. Given his attack range, he could have made life easier for his allies by taking out some marines from a greater distance. The admirals would have protected Sengoku and the platform where Ace is even if WB would not be seen performing the move.
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I brought this up a looong time ago, and then forgot, and then remembered, and then brought it up again…but I cannot find either post. Anyway, I just wanted to state this for the record: I think Momonga will have the Risu Risu Fruit. (Squirrel Squirrel Fruit). I doubt it would have a model, but if it did, then model 'Momonga' (Flying Squirrel) would be it...
I agree completely.
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I would agree if gecko had the gecko fruit, kuma with bear fruit, crocodile with croco fruit ect…. But thats not the case.
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THEORY 1
I'm not too keen on the whole "Haki means you can hit logia's" thing. I'd like to think that all logias have a weakness beyond gravity, haki, seastone and the sea.I'm thinking that Kizaru may be vulnerable to a shiny blade since he cannot pass through it. A shiny blade passing though him would literally force his body apart from itself against his will. Similarly he would be vulnerable to bludgeoning attacks when the weapon is black. He can't reflect off it and he has nowhere to go.
Meanwhile bludgeoning with a shiny weapon would really just be sending Kizaru in the opposite direction rather than actually striking him.
THEORY 2
If you have a race between light and something that travells like 99.999% of the speed of light, isn't the difference of speed from the point of view of the light equal to the speed of light? Similarly, if two beams of light move towards each other, doesn't each beem see the other beam travelling at the speed of light? In that case, wouldn't every attack seem ridiculously slow from Kizaru's perspective regardless of it's speed (unless it too was travelling at the speed of light)? -
THEORY 1
I'm not too keen on the whole "Haki means you can hit logia's" thing. I'd like to think that all logias have a weakness beyond gravity, haki, seastone and the sea.They have. It's called Elemental Rock Paper Scissors:
Ace's powers and smoker cancell each other out, Enel can't electroduce Luffy
and Magellan was blocked by Mr.3.
You just need the right DevilfruitpowerI'm thinking that Kizaru may be vulnerable to a shiny blade since he cannot pass through it. A shiny blade passing though him would literally force his body apart from itself against his will. Similarly he would be vulnerable to bludgeoning attacks when the weapon is black. He can't reflect off it and he has nowhere to go.
Meanwhile bludgeoning with a shiny weapon would really just be sending Kizaru in the opposite direction rather than actually striking him.
Crocodiles weakness is sandstone. It depends on the element. I'm sure you could beat Ace with a foam extinguisher or Aokiji with a heater
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THEORY 2
If you have a race between light and something that travells like 99.999% of the speed of light, isn't the difference of speed from the point of view of the light equal to the speed of light? Similarly, if two beams of light move towards each other, doesn't each beem see the other beam travelling at the speed of light? In that case, wouldn't every attack seem ridiculously slow from Kizaru's perspective regardless of it's speed (unless it too was travelling at the speed of light)?If that were the case, he lives in a world of SLOW MOTIOooooOOoN…. maybe that explains his slow speech pattern...but still, speed is still rather vague in the OP world, OP attack techniques are seemingly as fast as the speed of light.
but seriously its hard to verify that unless Oda clarifies it. :ninja:
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@People:
I would agree if gecko had the gecko fruit, kuma with bear fruit, crocodile with croco fruit ect…. But thats not the case.
True, maybe Momonga will just have an attack or ability that resembles a squirrel, like how Moria made a shadow Gecko when he periced Oz, or Kuma having Paws, and looking like a bear….lol
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@People:
I would agree if gecko had the gecko fruit, kuma with bear fruit, crocodile with croco fruit ect…. But thats not the case.
Does Smoker not have the Moku Moku Fruit? Anyway, you are following the wrong theme; the Warlords all have an animal theme to go with their name*, but their abilities do not necessarily have to match the animal theme they have. Vice Admiral Onigumo, for example, has a spider Zoan. Onigumo means 'Demon Spider'. There was also an unnamed VA on the same spread that is premably some model variant of the Inu Inu Fruit. That's as far as my theory goes for zoans, unless Garp has one, but all the other VA's are still suspect for DF powers as a whole. Strawberry and Yamakaji also have, well, names that mean something. I assume there are others that do as well. Not the most solid theory, I admit, but Momonga as a squirrel-human hybrid with a mohawk would be freaking hilarious! It must happen!
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Does a Fruit-Fruit fruit exist?
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16 characters of no
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Does a Fruit-Fruit fruit exist?
Not that we know of, but it may come out one day
Fruit Fruit Fruit: Model X
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THEORY 1
I'm not too keen on the whole "Haki means you can hit logia's" thing. I'd like to think that all logias have a weakness beyond gravity, haki, seastone and the sea.I'm thinking that Kizaru may be vulnerable to a shiny blade since he cannot pass through it. A shiny blade passing though him would literally force his body apart from itself against his will. Similarly he would be vulnerable to bludgeoning attacks when the weapon is black. He can't reflect off it and he has nowhere to go.
Meanwhile bludgeoning with a shiny weapon would really just be sending Kizaru in the opposite direction rather than actually striking him.
Yeah Brooke disagrees or is his blade not shiny?
THEORY 2
If you have a race between light and something that travells like 99.999% of the speed of light, isn't the difference of speed from the point of view of the light equal to the speed of light? Similarly, if two beams of light move towards each other, doesn't each beem see the other beam travelling at the speed of light? In that case, wouldn't every attack seem ridiculously slow from Kizaru's perspective regardless of it's speed (unless it too was travelling at the speed of light)?Kizaru only moves at lightspeed when he actually turns into light. For all we know time is in slowmotion when he is in motion. It is not when fighting regularly or just standing around.
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THEORY 2
If you have a race between light and something that travells like 99.999% of the speed of light, isn't the difference of speed from the point of view of the light equal to the speed of light? Similarly, if two beams of light move towards each other, doesn't each beem see the other beam travelling at the speed of light? In that case, wouldn't every attack seem ridiculously slow from Kizaru's perspective regardless of it's speed (unless it too was travelling at the speed of light)?you're thinking about it too much. It's a manga.
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For one thing, Kizaru's light seems to be inert light. That is to say, he's not constantly flying all over the place at 186,000 miles per second. If light could just hover there in the air, still being light without needing to move like that, that's what Kizaru would be made of. It's kind of confusing if you try to take it too seriously. For one thing, light doesn't reflect light, so in order for you to see him, he must be bleeding his own light out in all directions… At the speed of light, since your view of him is in sync with his movements. Anyway, since his light - let's call it his body-light - isn't moving unless he wills it to, you technically wouldn't be able to reflect him away. No more than someone could bounce you away merely by holding a trampoline next to you. You'd actually have to move into the trampoline to be bounced by it. Well, basically, "lol anime physics".
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Does a Fruit-Fruit fruit exist?
Define Fruit-Fruit fruit. Because Captain Berry Good has eaten a fruit themed DF with the Berry Berry Fruit.
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Alright, I'm not sure if this has been touched upon or not, but I was re-reading Water 7 & CP9 and I had a thought that Jabra was talking absolute shxt when he said in 378 that Douriki levels did not account for Devil Fruit powers.
He said this of course after Kaku got a tasty 20 Douriki over Jabra.
He also said this after Kalifa and Kaku consumed their respective DF in 377.
Jabra also said that if a DF user gets close to another DF the two Devils from each fruit come out and fight and shxt. This is later said to not be true. This proves that Jabra's word is not reliable.
Lucci said that Zoan users had the highest combat power of all DFs, and incidentally CP9's top 3 were in fact all Zoans, and their Dourikis were over 1000 higher than the rest, who aren't Zoans.
Douriki is a rating of physical power, and maybe Douriki does in fact include DF power. CP9 Zoans were the strongest so maybe Zoan users physical power really is enhanced by the DF.
So that might be why Marco was able to boot Admirals so far. (But then again I can't forget H4K1 FTW)
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Except that Kaku's douriki was measured before he ate his fruit. Also, they all measured their power in human form.
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Oh lol, what a n00b I was.
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Bit of a thought here, i think that in the OP world at this moment Shanks might be the greatest user/controler of this 'haki' power. While i'm not a big fan of it, Shanks has been hinted to of used it twice out of his three appearances in the story already and his control over it seemed greater than even WB's.It would also cover up the hole of how Mihawk is known as the greatest swordsman even though Shanks uses a sword and is at least his equal if shanks compensated for that with some other power.
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@S.C.:
This is probably a really stupid and previously asked question, but back in the day, could Whitebeard, Roger, and Shiki be thought of as the original Yonkou? I mean, all three seemed to be the top Pirates of that era.
That's good. You should post that in the theories thread.
So, I've got a bit of a theory on what Kaidou used to be before becoming a Yonkou. See, I think he used to be a division leader (A guy in charge of 1/5 of Shiki's 50 ships, not counting the Flagship) of Shiki's fleet back in the day, who survived the weather change and counter-attack of Roger's crew in their battle in Ch. 0. After Shiki got beaten and sent to Impel Down by Garp and Sengoku, and temporarily reclaimed his crew until he left to go start his hybrid army after Whitebeard refused to help him, Kaidou took over what was left of Shiki's fleet, and has been going on since.
So, nowadays, what is the Yonkou to me, is Whitebeard, the only original member left, Shanks, the successor of Roger, Kaidou, the successor of Shiki, and the 4th one, who might have been a Supernova that managed to become strong enough to be recognized as a Yonkou.
Well, probably not, but it is a neat idea, I think, and better then the "Crocodile is weak to Diamonds" one I did earlier.
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as the newer chapters have come out and people start screaming around about the stronges this and the strongest that i thought about something
the VAs!
if we now count out Sengoku and Garp the 3 Admirals are the strongest fighting force in the marines, but does that really stop any VAs to also be Somewhat close to them in strength? as VA is first rank under Admiral, the strength of the VAs would in theory differ from the strengt required to become VA and close to the Admirals strength. there might also be more like Garp and smoker aswell.not ver theoryish but i had the thought and wanted to post it
EDIT: also Luffy will kick some Yonkous ass and take its place :ninja:
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@S.C.:
So, I've got a bit of a theory on what Kaidou used to be before becoming a Yonkou. See, I think he used to be a division leader (A guy in charge of 1/5 of Shiki's 50 ships, not counting the Flagship) of Shiki's fleet back in the day, who survived the weather change and counter-attack of Roger's crew in their battle in Ch. 0. After Shiki got beaten and sent to Impel Down by Garp and Sengoku, and temporarily reclaimed his crew until he left to go start his hybrid army after Whitebeard refused to help him, Kaidou took over what was left of Shiki's fleet, and has been going on since.
So, nowadays, what is the Yonkou to me, is Whitebeard, the only original member left, Shanks, the successor of Roger, Kaidou, the successor of Shiki, and the 4th one, who might have been a Supernova that managed to become strong enough to be recognized as a Yonkou.
Well, probably not, but it is a neat idea, I think, and better then the "Crocodile is weak to Diamonds" one I did earlier.
Is that chapter 0 canon? The timeline of characters and their ages didn't seem to be consistent with the main story. I hope it's just filler. Then I can pretend it doesn't exist.
On a different note, Aokiji seemed to hint at there being a perfectly logical explanation as to why he wasn't hurt by whitebeards (presumably) haki-charged strike. In a show that maintains unpredictability and innovation, haki looked like it was going to be the trump card to everything and ruin everything. Just like, dare I say it, that crappy sharingan in Naruro (probably the least imaginative thing ever imagined). In any case, now there is a glimmer of hope. We thought we uderstood haki but maybe we don't. Fingers crossed.
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Is that chapter 0 canon? The timeline of characters and their ages didn't seem to be consistent with the main story. I hope it's just filler. Then I can pretend it doesn't exist.
On a different note, Aokiji seemed to hint at there being a perfectly logical explanation as to why he wasn't hurt by whitebeards (presumably) haki-charged strike. In a show that maintains unpredictability and innovation, haki looked like it was going to be the trump card to everything and ruin everything. Just like, dare I say it, that crappy sharingan in Naruro (probably the least imaginative thing ever imagined). In any case, now there is a glimmer of hope. We thought we uderstood haki but maybe we don't. Fingers crossed.
I think someone said that Chapter 0 is canon, but the recent filler and "Strong World" isn't. At least, I think that's right.
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The chapter 0 is canon, the last page is not. The movie is "what if shiki made his plan". The fillers are just shit, related to anything.
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The last page is not? How did you come up with that? Maybe the time is now, and well, Shiki didnt do anything.
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There were some setbacks. The plan wont be ready for another year.
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Sengoku's goat (nicknamed by many as pwngoat) is a regular, ordinary goat. He is Sengoku's pet, not owner, and he is not some great fighter. He is just an ordinary, pet goat. There is nothing pwn about him whatsoever.
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I got a few questions
1)Who will replace garp?
2)Who will replace WB as a yonkou ?
3)Will jinbei and boa stay/return with the shichibukai?
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Sengoku's goat (nicknamed by many as pwngoat) is a regular, ordinary goat. He is Sengoku's pet, not owner, and he is not some great fighter. He is just an ordinary, pet goat. There is nothing pwn about him whatsoever.
wha-what?? no way jk
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Sengoku's goat (nicknamed by many as pwngoat) is a regular, ordinary goat. He is Sengoku's pet, not owner, and he is not some great fighter. He is just an ordinary, pet goat. There is nothing pwn about him whatsoever.
It's not even a theory, it's a fact. Pwngoat only exists because One Piece for some reason according to the fans needs some fan memes just like any other big series…
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It's not even a theory, it's a fact. Pwngoat only exists because One Piece for some reason according to the fans needs some fan memes just like any other big series…
That's the joke.
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Sengoku's goat (nicknamed by many as pwngoat) is a regular, ordinary goat. He is Sengoku's pet, not owner, and he is not some great fighter. He is just an ordinary, pet goat. There is nothing pwn about him whatsoever.
Whoops! You seem to have posted in the wrong thread! You want this thread.
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Define Fruit-Fruit fruit. Because Captain Berry Good has eaten a fruit themed DF with the Berry Berry Fruit.
I'm pretty sure those aren't actually berries, but rather marbles or something.
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I'm pretty sure those aren't actually berries, but rather marbles or something.
Erm no, his fruit was even named as Berry Berry Fruit in One Piece Yellow. If it'd be marbles then it would simply have been the Marble Fruit.
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Sengoku's goat (nicknamed by many as pwngoat) is a regular, ordinary goat. He is Sengoku's pet, not owner, and he is not some great fighter. He is just an ordinary, pet goat. There is nothing pwn about him whatsoever.
This is One Piece.
Oda didn't create pwngoat, or whatever you wanna call that goat, for nothing.
Pwngoat was on the cover of Volume 25. At the very center of it.With all the possibilities offered by demon fruits, it's almost certain pwngoat has a power.
Since O'hara, Sengoku has always been seen with pwngoat.
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This is One Piece.
Oda didn't create pwngoat, or whatever you wanna call that goat, for nothing.
Pwngoat was on the cover of Volume 25. At the very center of it.Wasn't that the same cover that featured the miner? That guy surely must be just as relevant as the goat.
With all the possibilities offered by demon fruits, it's almost certain pwngoat has a power.
Since O'hara, Sengoku has always been seen with pwngoat.
You don't travel 24/7 with a goat (not your average pet in any case) without a damn good reason.So I guess you're in the "Hattori is a big player" camp then. After all, in chapter 0 we just found out that he was following Rucchi for at least 20 years and to follow your reasining that doesn't happen without a good reason.
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Lies.
Hattori is the secret 9th member of CP9 and the master mind behind it all.
Hattori is controlling Rob with his pure awesomness and he is so awesoem that he get's Rob to even drink matinies for him.
Because Hattori is too lazy to do it himself.He is also the one who trained all the CP9 since an early age.
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Besides, the miner was the one who provided the wood of the oro jackson.. ups wrong thread.
Yes he mined the trees, that's how adan's wood works
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Wasn't that the same cover that featured the miner? That guy surely must be just as relevant as the goat.
Along with BB, Luffy, Shanks and Buggy.
and oh please you can barely see the miner.
Pwngoat is right at the center of the cover.So I guess you're in the "Hattori is a big player" camp then. After all, in chapter 0 we just found out that he was following Rucchi for at least 20 years and to follow your reasining that doesn't happen without a good reason.
The pigeon had a humoristic purpose. his ventriloquist skit.
Pwngoat has yet to have a purpose.
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This is One Piece.
Oda didn't create pwngoat, or whatever you wanna call that goat, for nothing.
Pwngoat was on the cover of Volume 25. At the very center of it.With all the possibilities offered by demon fruits, it's almost certain pwngoat has a power.
Since O'hara, Sengoku has always been seen with pwngoat.
You don't travel 24/7 with a goat (not your average pet in any case) without a damn good reason.Lucci's pigeon ruins your theory.
Edit: beaten to it.
Btw the purpose for the goat appears to be to eat/destroy all messages and documents sent to sengoku.
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Along with BB, Luffy, Shanks and Buggy.
and oh please you can barely see the miner.
Pwngoat is right at the center of the cover.Still Oda chose rather him instead of Kuma, Doflamingo, Songoku, Tsuru or the Gorosei who all had more significant roles then the miner in this volume (or to the overall plot so far). Must mean that the minor is a bigger player then all of them.
The pigeon had a humoristic purpose. his ventriloquist skit.
Pwngoat has yet to have a purpose.
If it's not humor then it must be power.And being a pet thus showing the care for little weak animals for someone who's nickname is "the Buddha" is not a purpose? If your answer is no, then please explain your definition of the term purpose.
Btw the purpose for the goat appears to be to eat/destroy all messages and documents sent to sengoku.
Lol, a living paper shredder. That would in fact even be a purpose. And a humorous even.^^ Now that both fields are covered I guess we can end this discussion.
Sadly knowing this forum that won't be the case which will be proven in 3, 2, 1…
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Still Oda chose rather him instead of Kuma, Doflamingo, Songoku, Tsuru or the Gorosei who all had more significant roles then the miner in this volume (or to the overall plot so far). Must mean that the minor is a bigger player then all of them.
There's no absolute truth here.
But if Oda chose pwngoat to feature prominently on a volume cover then maybe pwngoat might have some purpose.
Especially in the context of Sengoku not having shown his power yet.That's all I'm saying.
And being a pet thus showing the care for little weak animals for someone who's nickname is "the Buddha" is not a purpose? If your answer is no, then please explain your definition of the term purpose.
Care ?
Pwngoat hasn't been acknowledged even once.I have to explain purpose ?
Don't be an asshole.Lol, a living paper shredder. That would in fact even be a purpose. And a humorous even.^^ Now that both fields are covered I guess we can end this discussion.
Sadly knowing this forum that won't be the case which will be proven in 3, 2, 1…
Yeah pwngoat is a living paper shredder. Of course.
That's why Sengoku brought him to Ace's execution. 'cause you know a paper shredder is very useful to defend against the White Beard pirates.
Or maybe it was to take pwngoat on his morning walk. What a better place than a battlefield.There's not much point in discussing with you.
You are obviously the holder of the sacred One Piece truth .Bye.
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I'm not sure if this belongs here or if anyone has said this:
I heard alot of people theorizing (not sure if it was here) that this "woman"
was Lola's mom.
BUT in chapter 567:
Lola's mom doesn't seem to be a woman o.o. So I guess we got another cross "dresser"(Well he has lipstick, but he isn't wearing clothes only for women..). -
Lately I can't shake the feeling off that we'll see Nightmare Luffy during this war. It really is not more but wishful thinking but Oda has already delivered comparisons the fans were hoping to see a couple of times. I'm talking about times like when people hoped for an explenation if the FF's Mighty Destroyers are really giants or not only to have that answered with comparing them to Oimo and Karsee. Also another situation would be the hope to see how big Oars is in comparison to a giant, which was shown recently when Oars III fought normal giants.
And comparing the strenght of Nightmare Luffy to the big players would also be another one of those comparisons plenty of us fans would like to see answered. And with Moria being actually among the current cast it's not impossible albeit unlikely to see Nightmare Luffy making a return. After all, Luffy can't continue as he is right now but at the same time it's clear that his involvement in the war can't stop that way. So Nightmare Luffy might be a possible way of dealing with all that.^^
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**I don't remember anyone thinking that was Lola's mom.
Nightmare Luffy making a appearance is pretty far-fetched, but it'd be cool. Just to shut up everyone who thinks Nightmare Luffy is top-tier.**
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Oddly enough, I've had the same feeling Ivotas.@Polygon:
I don't remember anyone thinking that was Lola's mom.
Nightmare Luffy making a appearance is pretty far-fetched, but it'd be cool. Just to shut up everyone who thinks Nightmare Luffy is top-tier.
He'd be top tier except for the fact that he can't hit logias.