Theory -> Magellan will join blackbeard pirates. I doubt his story will be finished considering he wasnt defeated in ID.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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I kind of feel white beard might die… don't flame me yet, just hear me out (Yes, I copied and pasted this messege from my post in the "Whitebeard will Definately die" thread. Anyway...)
Remember when it turned out no one was stupid enough to attack/try to take over fishman island becuase white beard said it belonged to whitebeard?
Well, if Whitebeard does die, fishman island will be up for grabs, so when the straw hats eventually do get to fishman island, it'll make the arc all the more interesting.
My guess is in the end, Luffy will beat up those who try to claim it and then declare Fishman island as his own territory, so that no one else will try to take it over again once the crew leaves for the next destination.
Not to mention Luffy and Jinbei are already friends, so such an act would help to gain further respect and support from Jinbei.
Also, let's not forget Blackbeard... I'd say that maybe he planned all this so that blackbeard WOULD go to save Ace and end up getting killed. Just saying shrugs
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I'm not sure if he's already posted it here but Ivotas posted this theory in the Naruto Thread.
In Robin's flashback there was a globe somewhere in the background that showed that the OP world had 7 moons. But there's only one moon now, what happened to the others? They were destroyed by the Ancient Weapons (not sure if he's talking about Pluton and the like). The islands of the Grand Line are parts of the destroyed moons and the Grand Line, Calm Belt, and Sea Kings are all aftereffects of this happening.
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I think Dragon has the ability to manipulate weather. Like a much more powerful clima-tact.
weather manipulation paramecia =/= air logia (though they both could create storms)
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Actually, Seastone, they're probably still stuck in the "old" solar system, with everything orbiting their own planet.
So there are five other planets that they know of.
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I think Dragon has the ability to manipulate weather. Like a much more powerful clima-tact.
weather manipulation paramecia =/= air logia (though they both could create storms)
Mythical zoan - model Dragon (who can control the weather, as per chinese mythology).
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Just when comes the guy with two devil fruit power!? Dragon? Yeah that would be supar.
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I think Dragon has the ability to manipulate weather. Like a much more powerful clima-tact.
weather manipulation paramecia =/= air logia (though they both could create storms)
I always thought the reason wind are always being associated with Dragon is because his son's name is Luffy, which related to the nautical term 'luffing'.
Luffy (and possibly Dragon himself) hometown in East Blue, Fusha Village. Fusha means 'windmill' in Japanese. That's more reasonable than saying Dragon ate a wind devil fruit.
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Wow, I never even thought of that, Luffy=luffing or the Windmill village thing.
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We think Dragon ate the Wind Wind Logia because he disappeared in a gust of fucking wind right before Smoker's eyes, which is something only a Logia would be able to do. Not only that, but the wind was strangely green, indicating that it wasn't natural.
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Kuma sends people to places they like to repent for the stuff he did.
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Your post needs… a little more, a speculation as to exactly what he did, maybe?
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lol i predict that luffy had wished to go to one piece before kuma sent him away but kuma was like o hellz to the no
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Your post needs… a little more, a speculation as to exactly what he did, maybe?
Just throwing the idea out there as I'm not really sure if it's something oda decided to give him or if he wants to give people what they wish.
Like now I'm convinced Kuma went through with the complete human weapon program because he wanted to repent for his past "tyrant" Kuma was this evil pirate back when he was pirate.
The guy sends people to where they want to go, he saved the lives of the SH pirates twice, so I'm convinced there is more to his story than just characteristic oda decided to give him.
Giving people their wishes seem to be a good way to repent.
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It seems more like backwards wishes though. Perona wanted to go to an accursed castle and he gave her that, but she's clearly a person who needs companionship of some kind and he sent her there alone. And Sanji would have wanted to go to a island full of maidens, but he obviously prefers women.
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Kuma is mysterious, even Ivankov is shocked by the fact that he is now 100% government dog.
I will go further (I really shouldn't) and say that like the main character of Hero (jet-li's), he has seen the WGs rule as something that has to remain for there to be peace. The actions of the troops do not represent the views of the leaders (Axe hand morgan etc.). The sacrifices they make are necessary evil, the pirates have had 20 years and failed to bring about any just, 99.99% of them plunder and kill. WG is where the highest chance of world please lies.
He has understood it, accepted it and is now willing to "die" for it. This explains the 180 turn, Iva not understanding, revolutionaries losing one of it's allies is also good start.
Pirates have gained marines, marines have gained pirates, about time high standing revolutionary realized the whole rebellion is not bringing but death.
I'm sure the "truth" lies somewhere between good pirates, government heads and revolutionaries. There is no perfect idea, but somehow they have to find a way to work their ideals in a mixed world.
I think the intentions of the heads of WG are good, but they can't change 800 year old corruption, they are just trying to make the best out of it.
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Kuma is mysterious, even Ivankov is shocked by the fact that he is now 100% government dog.
I will go further (I really shouldn't) and say that like the main character of Hero (jet-li's), he has seen the WGs rule as something that has to remain for there to be peace. The actions of the troops do not represent the views of the leaders (Axe hand morgan etc.). The sacrifices they make are necessary evil, the pirates have had 20 years and failed to bring about any just, 99.99% of them plunder and kill. WG is where the highest chance of world please lies.
He has understood it, accepted it and is now willing to "die" for it. This explains the 180 turn, Iva not understanding, revolutionaries losing one of it's allies is also good start.
Pirates have gained marines, marines have gained pirates, about time high standing revolutionary realized the whole rebellion is not bringing but death.
I'm sure the "truth" lies somewhere between good pirates, government heads and revolutionaries. There is no perfect idea, but somehow they have to find a way to work their ideals in a mixed world.
I think the intentions of the heads of WG are good, but they can't change 800 year old corruption, they are just trying to make the best out of it.
I really really like your ideas, and almost the exact same thoughts were floating around in my head. I imagined Kuma felt the need to repent, and the best way to do that was to join the government. Even though at some point he really hated it, he probably feels the best for the world is the WG and how it opporates to more or less keep things civil in the world.
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I like your thoughts on this matter pink, but I have a feeling that besides just penance Kuma had some sort of trade off in which he gave himself up for something that may further the revolutionary cause or those of his comrades. As for penance, perhaps he felt that it would be best if he alone paid the great price. At the same time this trade off could be for saving Luffy or even a greater point. They may label Kuma a tyrant, but I don't recall them specifically explaining what his tyrannical behavior was. Could he have become how he is now from Dragon's intervention of his life or was he always like this and his "tyranny" being more about the fact that he sort of goes overboard in his actions?
As for the heads (the five elder stars possible) I am unsure what to think of them after you consider Robin's past and the conversation between them and professor Clover, but it can be correctly how you state that they might do the best with what they were given. Also it would be prudent to discuss "Justice" and how it is different depending on who you ask. Perhaps the Elder Stars do horrid things for the greater good, as seems to be the WG doctrine, though there is the possibility that corruption occurs with them achieving power, such as the Tenryuubito…. Personally I think they themselves are not really corrupt but make decisions to try to keep a balance in powers of the world.
Along these lines, what do you guys think of Vegapunks' aspirations? Is he truly loyal to the WG, does he want to make his own world or destroy it (mad scientist) or is it just he does his job and loyal to the continuation of science (such as Robin and the love of knowledge)?
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The is ordered to annihilate every single one of them, he compromises and asks for luffys head only. After attacking them, Zoro offers his head, and while it's not worth as much as luffys, he accepts. He doesn't let it end that easily, he gives him taste of how it feels, and while it's very painful, zoro stays committed and takes the rest of it, kuma keeps his end of the deal. That doesn't say tyrant, I think the fact that he has techniques that torture people and possibly a past like robins (survival above all) gave him the tyrant title. Robin is kind and friendly, but to her past partners she is tyrant, evil and "demonchild". He might have been misunderstood or like you said changed by someone.
Vegapunk is scientist, and good at that, the pacifista cost battleship worth of funds. And he get all the funds he needs, his moral obligations or his views has nothing to do with it. He has developed so much for them, it wouldn't make sense for him to be working for someone else. I think he works for science and the development of human knowledge.
What I wonder is how different are revolutionaries from WG. Would they let kuma kill hundreds of innocent people if it meant keeping his job? How far would they go to fulfill their goals? Dragon himself is a man who seeks freedom, he says the stability of the world must be questioned, but how far are they going. Are they simply freeing countries or changing them from WG rule to their rule?
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I think whitebeard might get stabbed in a vital organ or near the heart due to protecting luffy from a blade or something and I think and hope Ace dies this will give luffy the most utmost advatage in using his haki for it iwill cause rage and rage = will and will= haki plus alot more power or if ace is alive then whitebeard dies one way or the other
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Croc was a slave.
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The is ordered to annihilate every single one of them, he compromises and asks for luffys head only. After attacking them, Zoro offers his head, and while it's not worth as much as luffys, he accepts. He doesn't let it end that easily, he gives him taste of how it feels, and while it's very painful, zoro stays committed and takes the rest of it, kuma keeps his end of the deal. That doesn't say tyrant, I think the fact that he has techniques that torture people and possibly a past like robins (survival above all) gave him the tyrant title. Robin is kind and friendly, but to her past partners she is tyrant, evil and "demonchild". He might have been misunderstood or like you said changed by someone.
Vegapunk is scientist, and good at that, the pacifista cost battleship worth of funds. And he get all the funds he needs, his moral obligations or his views has nothing to do with it. He has developed so much for them, it wouldn't make sense for him to be working for someone else. I think he works for science and the development of human knowledge.
What I wonder is how different are revolutionaries from WG. Would they let kuma kill hundreds of innocent people if it meant keeping his job? How far would they go to fulfill their goals? Dragon himself is a man who seeks freedom, he says the stability of the world must be questioned, but how far are they going. Are they simply freeing countries or changing them from WG rule to their rule?
I never really considered Vegapunk to work for the revolutionaries either, I just wonder how they will portray his personality. While in the most extreme case, I wonder if he uses the WG for funds for a purpose all his own. Then for Dragon's case, any thoughts on what sparked him to become a revolutionary? I can assume that it may have been 1) him finding friends or family (wife) killed by WG or the incompetence/shadiness of their policies, 2) the dark period of history (missing history) has something to do with the D lineage and he is trying to change the world (I know, a bit overconsidered and cliche), 3) he is just a crazy, possibly power hungry bugger. The only thing Iva really mentions about Dragon is the strength of his conviction.
As for revolutionaries vs. WG, I am not entirely sure either. Most likely the missing history may explain the sides (cliche as the thought is) showing that neither side is technically good nor evil. I think it will be more of a humanizing issue rather than a white and black show of who is right and wrong. Beyond that there is just too little to speculate, and what can be guessed are either cliche points that are overused or ones people constantly bring up.
I just keep on wondering what else the WG has as a trump card since it seems sort of wrong if the white beard war arc is all the enemies the WG has to offer for the series. Yes they are already powerful as all hell, but the remaining 400 some chapters would be a tad boring without more villains, more twists, etc that we do not know of. To be honest I sort of want to see the long shot in which Luffy also starts fighting vs. the revolutionaries, at least at one point in the story just for interest's sake.
And for Urian's point, maybe croc was a girl slave?
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Why would Vegapunk, as a "good guy" completely modify Kuma?
And when Kuma is proven to have links with the revolutionaries, it increases the possibility of him "killing" his own teammate.
I. Don't. Think. So.
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Why would Vegapunk, as a "good guy" completely modify Kuma?
And when Kuma is proven to have links with the revolutionaries, it increases the possibility of him "killing" his own teammate.
I. Don't. Think. So.
Who actually considered vegapunk to be good? I don't really see any in this thread coming to that conclusion..
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It's been thrown around as a possibility, but I don't think anyone really took it seriously.
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My theory: Crocodile was a pirate captain who was kidnapped and sold to the tenryuubito or a king who collects slaves and made him ate the suna suna no mi and was saved by Ivankov and the revolutionaries
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Who actually considered vegapunk to be good? I don't really see any in this thread coming to that conclusion..
Just confirming.
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My theory: Crocodile was a pirate captain who was kidnapped and sold to the tenryuubito or a king who collects slaves and made him ate the suna suna no mi and was saved by Ivankov and the revolutionaries
Please tell me you have something more original than a cheap and blatant "Fisher Tiger saves Hancock" ripoff.
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Please tell me you have something more original than a cheap and blatant "Fisher Tiger saves Hancock" ripoff.
Ok, ok. I have another theory, Crocodile was a pirate captain who fights against WB near Momoiro island. Croc thinks he can kill him, but WB cuts his hand and kill their crew. Crocodile was found and saved by Ivankov.
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So long we are talking about crocodile and his "secret", who said it had to be story? Do you even know how much of a punching bag he would become if everyone knew his weakness? If everyone would be able to hit him and he would weight ton and be unable to fly or split him self? His weakness is what makes him go from shichibukai level fighter to punching bag specially when there is enough water around for everyone.
I hope it's not some pathetic "kill his pride" story, nor a way to connect him to shady people as he has already started war before and lost shichibukai title. If not his weakness then I don't know anything that might be worth adding in OP. The guy is attacking WB, there can't be someone who is going to kill him if not WB. All pirates have been humiliated and beaten at some point, I don't see that as being big deal.
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Nah, Croco was a tenryuubito, thats why he is called Sir Crocodile. Then there is something with whitebeard, maybe that WB made croc'scar.
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@People:
Nah, Croco was a tenryuubito, thats why he is called Sir Crocodile. Then there is something with whitebeard, maybe that WB made croc'scar.
Sorry to say, the translation you saw that from also denoted kuma and the rest as "sir" too, as being part of the shichibaki (probably spelt it wrong but w/e…).
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What do you mean, that in jap 'Sir' does not appear or that Sir is a part of shichibukai word?
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@People:
What do you mean, that in jap 'Sir' does not appear or that Sir is a part of shichibukai word?
I mean that the ones who said it were common sailors or people as with Alabasta (I think the sailors did it with Kuma and doflamingo when Blackbeard was introduced), and they were being very FORMAL as the shichibukai, the seven WARLORDS, were of their side and of great power and prestige. Yes they used a very formal tone with Crocodile, but it was the same with the rest of the shichibukai.
As for sir… Sir is what people placed in translation and it may not necessarily denote as a person with royal class. Heck in the english equivalent we think: royalty, officer, higher class worker, someone we don't know from the street, etc. To denote sir as a lord may be inferring a bit much, though personally I don't think that your thought of him being a tenryuubito is technically completely wrong, just that the reason was a bit loose. I assume they switched -sama to sir rather than an actual title (could be wrong as I dont have the raw on hand, might be worth double checking it later).
At least we are not considering complete differences of ideal usage, such as yellow in english society related to cowardice and the Japanese relate it closer to courage (could be off...).
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I think that when people talk to the Celestial Dragons they use -dono though I'm not positive about that. With Croc it's part of his name, it's written サークロクダイル "Saacurocudailu" or "Saa Curocudailu" Sir Crocodile.
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@Kairouseki:
I think that when people talk to the Celestial Dragons they use -dono though I'm not positive about that. With Croc it's part of his name, it's written サークロクダイル "Saacurocudailu" or "Saa Curocudailu" Sir Crocodile.
I think that is probably the correct one, what does it refer to in the anime?
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Dragon deciphered the origin of the Alabasta revolution early on, and sent Ivankov to negotiate with him. That's how they know each other. Ivankov probably supplied the Alabasta revolution with weapons too.
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Dragon deciphered the origin of the Alabasta revolution early on, and sent Ivankov to negotiate with him. That's how they know each other. Ivankov probably supplied the Alabasta revolution with weapons too.
That would be pretty cool, although it seems like Ivankov knows a more personal secret of Crocs.
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Dragon deciphered the origin of the Alabasta revolution early on, and sent Ivankov to negotiate with him. That's how they know each other. Ivankov probably supplied the Alabasta revolution with weapons too.
He did all that from deep within Impel Down?
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He did all that from deep within Impel Down?
Well the time issue is a good question. I think they mention Ivankov was there for at least 1 to 3 or so years… So it can be possible at the earliest phases of Baroque works, but that is sort of still a shot in the dark.
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This is why my theory doesn't deserve its own thread.
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In fact, I'm pretty sure it was specifically stated that s/he was imprisoned for no less than 10 years. Although the theory would work just fine if you said it was an unnamed Revolutionary instead of Ivakov.
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i think croc's secret is either that he is rewally a woman and ivankov had changed him into a man or his weakness is water, the story of how he lost his had or, something to threaten his pride
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i think croc's secret is either that he is rewally a woman and ivankov had changed him into a man or his weakness is water, the story of how he lost his had or, something to threaten his pride
Only thing I wouldnt agree with if the secret that Oda made us consider about for so long was something everyone knew for the last few hundred chapters (weakness = water)… Of course, this is just my preference on what it would refer to though.
There is no reason that it can't be but it will be such a let down and not even worth a joke, so I'm hoping that it at least is something more intriguing. My thought is that it isnt something about direct weakness but something that may completely embarass him or Ivankov can "undue" croc as he is. As you mentioned, something to threaten his pride.
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Only thing I wouldnt agree with if the secret that Oda made us consider about for so long was something everyone knew for the last few hundred chapters (weakness = water)… Of course, this is just my preference on what it would refer to though.
There is no reason that it can't be but it will be such a let down and not even worth a joke, so I'm hoping that it at least is something more intriguing. My thought is that it isnt something about direct weakness but something that may completely embarass him or Ivankov can "undue" croc as he is. As you mentioned, something to threaten his pride.
I agree, if it was just the water weakness, he sure did a good job of hyping it up.
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From thinking a bit about it,i now that before this arc is over,WB is going to die/be defeated/whatever the hell happens to characters in one piece once they lose a fight.
I was thinking about the crew going to merman island after this and i think that since luffy is great friends with jimbei now the island would just be too peaceful with no antagonists if WB is still alive as it will still be under his protection. But if he is defeated it will be anything goes again with the slavery trade and such and i think the arc will be about luffy and co helping jimbei saving the island. I also think it is the perfect way for Oda to get rid of jimbei saying he has to stay and protect the island from the would be slave traders.
And even beyond merman island a new world in chaos with all the 'silver medalists' trying to all become number one has a lot more potential than one which is still kept in relative order by the three balancing forces. A lot of strong pirates may step out of the shadows and try to become the greatest. This could also be helped by a weakening in the marines due to this war -
Thats a good point. There is, indeed, a lot more interesting scenario if WB die (or lose) than if he still alive, or win. The fishmen arc will be the continuity of this one: new age, a lot of movement from the pirates, then end of protection for the fishmen island=chaos
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Some Thoughts
Croc and Ace attacked WB without their powers. Ace used a knife ?! and Croc his hook ?! Why ? Is WB able to disintegrate logia powers with his Devil Fruit ? Is he immune to Logia powers ? or Ace and Croc havent mastered enough their DFs ?