Pi and One Pi-ece (Mmm, Pi)

[FireFistAce 0]

This is probably insane, but here goes:

1 Pirate King
2 Ancient Weapons
3 Admirals
4 Yonkou
5 Blackbeard Pirates
6 Logia Users
7 Shichibukai
8 Strawhats
9 Cipher Pols
10 Years since Luffy ate the Rubber Fruit
11 Wanted Crewmembers
12 Baroque Works Levels
13 ….

Damn.

Basically, the theory is to include any significant grouping up to 22. 22 is henceforth the magic number, as it correlates to Roger's Death. Why 22? Why not 20 years or 25 years? Why 22?

Now, I'm not insane and think that Oda is some brilliant numerologist, but there has to be an underlying logic behind the numbers. If you can discover it, you've broken the code of One Piece.

Or maybe I've just gone insane.

Either way, what numbers can you guys come up with from the manga that eventually total 22? I've provided ones up to 12, but 10 isn't so great (there's probably a better one), and there's 9 others I can't solve.

So, have at it.

[freedom]

WOW. I think that's a little stretching it there.

For starters, 8 strawhats should be 10 or 11 since Luffy wants 10 people.

I doubt we'll see anything in the teens.

[Yamato D. Kouji]

what i can think of is

17 years old (luffy) -_-;

and maybe u caqn add this, forgot the number, but the number of countries that are with world goverment … (ex. arabasta, drum ....)

[Simplicio]

I think you should go read up Ramsey Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsey_theory

Basically it states, if you look hard enough anywhere, you would always find a pattern. And that isn't hard considering there are 411 chapters of One Piece … so you are bound to find some numbers to support your claim.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Yamato:

what i can think of is

17 years old (luffy) -_-;

and maybe u caqn add this, forgot the number, but the number of countries that are with world goverment … (ex. arabasta, drum ....)

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The number of Countries that are in the WG is the number of countries that ratified the Geneva Conventions -10.

But if we add the ages to the original equation:

13 ___________
14 ___________
15 Chopper's age
16 Vivi's Age
17 Luffy and Usopp's Age
18 Nami's Age
19 Sanji and Zoro's Age
20 Ace's Age
21 _______________

[Yamato D. Kouji]

maybe u can also put the number of D's introduced so far ….

Monkey D. Luffy
Monkey D. Dragon
Monkey D. Garp
Portugas D. Ace
Marshall D. Teach
Gol D. Roger
Jaguar D. Saulo

who else is there ????

[Doraki]

I think the Gorousei fit for 5 better than BB's crew

the number of members in crew are never set in stone or something.

[Refii]

Oh… my... goodness...

Umm, yes.

[Chlodwig Shillingsfürst]

Actually there was 16 Baroque Works Levels:
The President & The Vice-President
1. Mr. 0 & Miss Allsunday
The Officer Agents
2. Mr. 1 & Miss Doublefinger
3. Mr. 2 Bon Kure
4. Mr. 3 & Miss Goldenweek
5. Mr. 4 & Miss Merry Christmas
6. Mr. 5 & Miss Valentine

The Frontier Agents
7. Mr. 6 & Miss Mother's Day
8. Mr. 7 & Miss Father's Day
9. Mr. 8 & Miss Monday
10. Mr. 9 & Miss Wednesday
11. Mr. 10 & Miss Tuesday
12. Mr. 11 & Miss Thursday
13. Mr. 12 & Miss Saturday
14. Mr. 13 & Miss Friday

15. The Billions (Henchmen for the Officer Agents)

16. The Millions (Henchmen for the Frontier Agents)

Besides, I don't think that you'll find any form of patterns that Oda put out there in the sense of what you're looking for. Probably he likes playing with putting stuff like "The Four Emperors", "The Seven Military Seas" or "The Five Elder Stars" in just for the "beauty of something arranged within a certain number" and stuff like that, but I must say that I doubt any form of Masterplan when it comes to those numbers.

[Impel Down]

Doesn't Bellamy have 13 guys?

[VL7]

Ummmmm…....yeah, okay..........Some of this numbers are probably gonna change anyway........

[Mmod]

@Fire Fist:

This is probably insane, but here goes:

2 Ancient Weapons

Or maybe I've just gone insane.

Where is Zeus, you always said 3 ancient weapons.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Mmod:

Where is Zeus, you always said 3 ancient weapons.

Well, the theory is that there's a Zeus. But it hasn't been introduced so far.

In any case, everything can be explained through numbers. That's why everyone should play Go.

[Rai]

@Fire Fist:

Well, the theory is that there's a Zeus. But it hasn't been introduced so far.

In any case, everything can be explained through numbers. That's why everyone should play Go.

I play Go [the wall over 2D is hella hard], but it doesn't really go with numbers, or does it?

Anyways, I remember this guy who posted a thread for that number thing some time ago, but just because he discovered it. Although, some things you added are changeable, and some are bound to change, so I guess you should first try placing the 100% ones.

1..
2 Ancient Weapons
3 Admirals
4 Yonkou
5 Gorousei
6..
7 Shichibukai
8..
9 Cipher Pols [not sure, since it's likely if there is something like this in Oda's mind, it'll be around huge things]
….
20 Vice Admirals [again, not sure]
21..
22 Years old [One Piece legend]

I like the theory, it might work. It's not such a shallow or complicated thing, and it's a base you can get ideas from while not going over other ideas [in many ways]. Oda might go with that.
Now we have all the BB thing going on and there are legends back [last time was Skypiea], so I'd buy it if we get stuff towards it in the next arc.
If not, we burned some time with it anyway.

[Gizmo]

Okay so even if there is some kind of logic in the numbers, what will happen once it's solved?

[Taleran]

@Simplicio:

I think you should go read up Ramsey Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsey_theory

Basically it states, if you look hard enough anywhere, you would always find a pattern. And that isn't hard considering there are 411 chapters of One Piece … so you are bound to find some numbers to support your claim.

all that needed to be said

[FireFistAce 0]

@ultimateclima:

Okay so even if there is some kind of logic in the numbers, what will happen once it's solved?

You will be able to figure out everything in One Piece.

Just like if you find the 216 digit number that is the pronunciation of YHWH, you will become immortal.

[bedrock]

@Fire Fist:

This is probably insane, but here goes:
….....

I have to agree, this is insane.:unsure: I really get an uncomfy feeling when I read such - please don´t dive to deep in this water…

[Silence]

… I hurt. I... hurt.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Silence:

… I hurt. I... hurt.

Flaming someone is not a great way to make friends.

I know the theory was crazy, but there is logic in numbers.

[Gizmo]

@Fire Fist:

You will be able to figure out everything in One Piece.

That brings up a second problem, we don't know everything about One Piece yet. Plus things can change in the future.

Just like if you find the 216 digit number that is the pronunciation of YHWH, you will become immortal.

This is interesting. Where'd you find this info from?

[Taleran]

@Fire Fist:

Flaming someone is not a great way to make friends.

I know the theory was crazy, but there is logic in numbers.

yes but not in random theories based only on Numerology

[Chino]

Humm, the first number that come to my mind for the moment :

20 : "It's twenty" from Drum

[FireFistAce 0]

@ultimateclima:

That brings up a second problem, we don't know everything about One Piece yet. Plus things can change in the future.

Tell that to some people…

This is interesting. Where'd you find this info from?

Exodus 14: 19-21 are three consecutive verses of the bible with 72 letters each. If you write them on top of each other, the first from right to left, the second from left to right, and the third from right to left, you get 72 columns of 3 letter names of god. The 72 names are divided into 4 columns of 18 names each. Each column represents a letter of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH). This is called the Schemhamphoras, or the true name of God.

[Refii]

@Taleran:

yes but not in random theories based only on Numerology

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[Kaze no Barako]

This theory is pretty nuts, but you know what we should do?

Turn this into the One Piece Twelve Days of Christmas.

[Silence]

Originally Posted by ultimateclima
That brings up a second problem, we don't know everything about One Piece yet. Plus things can change in the future.

"Fire Fist" Ace;445672]Tell that to some people…

He posted that in response to this:

Originally Posted by "Fire Fist" Ace
You will be able to figure out everything in One Piece.

Which means he's saying your theory doesn't work. It's impossible to figure out everything in One Piece through your numerology because we don't know everything about One Piece, and several of the things on your list will change in the future.

I mean, come on. You yourself admitted how far out this theory was.

Your entire theory assumes the number 22 is significant and not just some number Oda randomly decided on. How is finding any instance of a number leading up to 22 going to prove that? The reason your theory doesn't work is… let's take 3, for example.

3 = Admirals... but 3 also equals the number of swords Zoro has. The number of rumble balls Chopper needs to eat before going to monster point. The number of times Crocodile fought Luffy... and so on.

The numbers you listed are subject to change... you have things on the list that are the way they are currently, and things on the list that are the way they are supposed to be… like, for example, there are only 6 shichibukai right now. There are supposed to be 7. 2 ancient weapons right now. 6 logia users... right now. 8 strawhats... right now. There's supposed to be a pirate king, but there aren't any right now.

If you can pick and choose which goes where - mixing and matching supposed and current - then it isn't really a solid theory, now is it? It's the same as going:

1. One Piece!
2. King Bulls!
3. Rumble balls!
... all the way up to 22.

And I humbly note that you ignored all the other posts that explained why this theory is ridiculous.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Silence:

He posted that in response to this:

Which means he's saying your theory doesn't work. It's impossible to figure out everything in One Piece through your numerology because we don't know everything about One Piece, and several of the things on your list will change in the future.

I mean, come on. You yourself admitted how far out this theory was.

Your entire theory assumes the number 22 is significant and not just some number Oda randomly decided on. How is finding any instance of a number leading up to 22 going to prove that? The reason your theory doesn't work is… let's take 3, for example.

3 = Admirals... but 3 also equals the number of swords Zoro has. The number of rumble balls Chopper needs to eat before going to monster point. The number of times Crocodile fought Luffy... and so on.

The numbers you listed are subject to change... you have things on the list that are the way they are currently, and things on the list that are the way they are supposed to be… like, for example, there are only 6 shichibukai right now. There are supposed to be 7. 2 ancient weapons right now. 6 logia users... right now. 8 strawhats... right now. There's supposed to be a pirate king, but there aren't any right now.

If you can pick and choose which goes where - mixing and matching supposed and current - then it isn't really a solid theory, now is it? It's the same as going:

1. One Piece!
2. King Bulls!
3. Rumble balls!
... all the way up to 22.

And I humbly note that you ignored all the other posts that explained with this theory is ridiculous.

I wasn't being serious…

The only thing that pissed me off was flamers. That's just childish. I know the theory's not true, but there are some people that believe that numbers can't have a meaning. Cops use number patterns to solve crimes. The brain unconsciously will use number patterns, even if you're not aware of it.

You can say "Oda just thought these numbers were cool", but the truth is, there's a pattern sometimes.

[Silence]

@Fire Fist:

I wasn't being serious…

The only thing that pissed me off was flamers. That's just childish. I know the theory's not true, but there are some people that believe that numbers can't have a meaning. Cops use number patterns to solve crimes. The brain unconsciously will use number patterns, even if you're not aware of it.

You can say "Oda just thought these numbers were cool", but the truth is, there's a pattern sometimes.

So, wait. You knew the theory wasn't true? You knew that when you posted it? Yet you asked for help in deciphering it?

Huh. That sounds kind of like you covering your ass when you realized your theory didn't hold water.

In any case, I don't think anyone in this thread was suggesting that there aren't any patterns in numbers. All they were saying was that if you look hard enough, you'll find patterns in everything. All the more so if you look too hard. And in any case, what's it to you if they don't believe numbers have meaning?

[Refii]

@Fire Fist:

The only thing that pissed me off was flamers. That's just childish. I know the theory's not true, but there are some people that believe that numbers can't have a meaning. Cops use number patterns to solve crimes. The brain unconsciously will use number patterns, even if you're not aware of it.

You give up the right to get upset when your first post states:
@Fire Fist:

This is probably insane, but here goes:

Now, I'm not insane and think that Oda is some brilliant numerologist, but there has to be an underlying logic behind the numbers. If you can discover it, you've broken the code of One Piece.

Or maybe I've just gone insane.

Therefore, when it comes down to it I have come up with my own theory on numbers:

1. You've become obsessed with making up theories on One Piece, even if you youself believe them to be ridiculous only for the sake of creating theories.
2. You need to limit yourself and only make topics when something noteworthy is worth posting. You've 'guessed' some things right and now it's gone to your head, so you think you should post everything you come up with. I've been there, stop, breathe and think before you start a new topic.
3. Continue posting normally, minus theory topics.
   See I'm a math geni_ass_ too

[*Meh*]

Numbers are used as a representation of quantity, quality, sequence, or spatial/temporal location. Outside of being used to give these meanings, they are practically meaningless.

If we accept Ramsey's Theorem, then there must be some sort of structure or order inherent to One Piece. But to say that it is based strictly on numbers is far too limiting. There is an underlying order to the sequence in which plot devices are used. There is a structure to how the story is paced. There is a logical set (or sets) of events which must take place in order for other events to take place. All of these certainly exist. There may even be equations which would describe them all seperately. However, the liklihood of finding one unifying numerical sequence or formula that answers for all events past, present, or future within One Piece is about the same as finding a Unified Field Theory that answers for all Quantum Models. You're free to try, but this seems like a doomed pursuit that will only take time away from examining other details of the manga, which may in fact lead to the answer you are looking for.

[Tony Tony Choppa]

I´m no moderator, but come on guys…

This is what will always happen:
1- You post some good material/info - People will give good or shitty feedbacks. Probably more good than shitty.

2- You post some shitty material/info - People will give good or shitty feedbacks. Probably more shitty than good.

FFA you don´t have the right to complain about flamers and Refi you can´t to cohibt people to post, for this is a public forum.

Peace out!

[Rai]

@Tony:

I´m no moderator, but come on guys…

This is what will always happen:
1- You post some good material/info - People will give good or shitty feedbacks. Probably more good than shitty.

2- You post some shitty material/info - People will give good or shitty feedbacks. Probably more shitty than good.

FFA you don´t have the right to complain about flamers and Refi you can´t to cohibt people to post, for this is a public forum.

Peace out!

Then flaming is okay? Don't you too think proving his theories wrong, or going against them a little more smartly instead of just flaming is better?
By that, I don't mean most of the negative posts here were flaming. Most of them are just saying their opinions/trying to prove his theory wrong.
Anyways, I didn't see too much real flaming, so why not keeping the argument that was or something?

[Strohhut-Ruffy]

Too much things could work XD

Oda - 32 years old
One Piece - 10 years old

32-10=22

lol

But I like such theories 8D

[Tony Tony Choppa]

@Rai:

Then flaming is okay? Don't you too think proving his theories wrong, or going against them a little more smartly instead of just flaming is better?
By that, I don't mean most of the negative posts here were flaming. Most of them are just saying their opinions/trying to prove his theory wrong.
Anyways, I didn't see too much real flaming, so why not keeping the argument that was or something?

Rai, flaming is not ok.
Since this is a forum, FFA just wanted to share his therory with us through this thread.
Yes, I could say proving his theory wrong would be smarter, but that doesn´t mean I can´t express my opinion about it right?

I belive that FFA is OP crazy. I´ve read a bunch of threads in which he states his theories. In some I share his opinion, but in others I don´t, so I share my opinion. Note that I say "my opinion".

To tell you the truth, I read his theory and I think it is a bit crazy. But I can´t prove it wrong or right… so I decided to restrain myself from posting.

What I don´t like is when people tell eachother not to express themselves.
So I decide to post.

Peace out!

[Carly]

Alright, if it so happens that ten years later at the end of this shebang, all the numbers actually do fit together in a perfectly brilliant pattern then I will personally apologize for closing this but #@()&#$(&)(_ planning out a story DOES NOT EQUATE to having to make up crazy patterns 'n shit.

Yeah I know you guys like to discuss and plot and debate and stuff and it's exciting when you're right, but in the words of Adam Carolla, "Did she have to be molested ? Sometimes a girl just likes a slap on the ass every now and again."