Blackbeard's non-devil fruit abilities? [spoilers]

yamato_D

Yeah, so how strong do you think Blackbeard was pre-devil fruit?
Here's what I get so far:

He gave Shanks his scar (at least 10 years ago)
He didn't have a devil fruit ability when he fought Shanks
Nobody knew why BB killed Sacchi until now. Meaning that nobody knew what devil fruit he stole.
Despite Shanks' lack of knowledge about the dark fruit, he warned WB that Ace wasn't ready yet to fight BB.

So, considering these factos, do you think Blackbeard could've beaten Ace without the Dark Dark fruit? I mean it seemed like he would've gotten his ass kicked, but I'm really curious to see how he gave Shanks that damn scar… and how he would've taken over WB.

Mister_Anbu

I think it's more likely he used some type of sneak attack to underhand Shanks.

Jolly-Gold-Roger

Shanks said that he wasn't careless. I think that BlackBeard is a beast, I bet he can kick ass and do all sorts of flips and shit. Just look at Shanks' scar, he probably clawed him with his bare hand.

MushroomBoy

he's strong as hell withOUT it, fer sure, he beat sacchi without it, and wasn't sacchi a supreme captain kinda guy?

Geese

He's probably somewhere around Mihawk without it. A beastly non-DF human.

psolaras

well shanks has that scar in his flag too so it was made to him when he was around 15 after roger's execution,so shanks would be now a lot stronger than what he was

shanks stated that his scar wasn't from a cheap shot

also he lost to shanks either he wouldn't need a man worth 100mil or more to become famous cuz beating shanks would have been more than enough

he was in WB's ship in decades (at least 20 years) only to get a DF and even after that he ran away

but BB giving shanks a wound and shanks telling that ace is too young for him shows that he is a powerhouse but propably there are alot people stronger than him

and WB may have other strong nakama other than his division captains

just don't get over excited with BB (also i'm too tired of arguing about BB so i won't answer to any quotes,sorry)

monkHey D. easy

mayb he killed saachi a long time before and until nobody knew it and somehow they found out that bb killed saachi xD

so he killed saachi eat the df..fought shanks to test it…but was still in wb group and now they found out that he has killed saachi and wb ordered to kill him

a theory^^

Impel Down

How do we know he didn't have the fruit when he scarred him? But anyway, BB's physical strength is quite high. He beat Sarquiss in one move that required more force than a punch.

Black'cap Nase

Well whether he had the fruit or not when he gave shanks his scars, its pretty clear that Teach must have friggin claws, or Shadow claw attack, or hold mulitple knives, or blade claws… Something totally bad ass like that.

wolfwood

@Black'cap:

Well whether he had the fruit or not when he gave shanks his scars, its pretty clear that Teach must have friggin claws, or Shadow claw attack, or hold mulitple knives, or blade claws… Something totally bad ass like that.

maybe he just has really long finger nails ?

mercutius

@monkHey:

mayb he killed saachi a long time before and until nobody knew it and somehow they found out that bb killed saachi xD

so he killed saachi eat the df..fought shanks to test it…but was still in wb group and now they found out that he has killed saachi and wb ordered to kill him

a theory^^

i'm strongly convinced sacchi was killed in his sleep or without knowing. if you had a devil fruit and a man ran up to you screamin' "GIMME THAT FRUIT", what would you do? fight him to the death for it? i wouldn't because that's retarded. i'd just eat it since it's already in my hands. take a bite and laugh at him.

kljs

Shanks had the scar in his flag when he was in Luffy's village… that was 10 years ago..... and besides, Ace only left the village like what? 3 years earlier, before Shanks was there.... so, there is no way, Sacchi was killed before Ace joined Whitebeard.......

Pesola

@Impel:

How do we know he didn't have the fruit when he scarred him? But anyway, BB's physical strength is quite high. He beat Sarquiss in one move that required more force than a punch.

Yes, he did… BUT so did Luffy...

kljs

Luffy only beat Bellamy….. not Sarquiss........ which of course, Bellamy's fall was helped by his momentum........

Falcon

Bellamy was rushing toward Luffy at a high rate of speed and Luffy cause him to change direction so forcefully that he impacted at a right angle with no foreward momentum left. I still think that there is some technique to allow bare fists to fight any logia and that Luffy will learn it eventually so that he can have a chance of damaging opponents like Ace, Smoker, etc, without needing some trick like he used with Croc…

psolaras

i think that too,ace said BB was his subordinate and then he killed a nakama,ace left 3 years before luffy and shanks had that scar in luffy's village 10 years ago but more importantly he had even in his flag that means he got it near roger's death when he decided to become a captain of his own ship

Pesola

@kljs:

Luffy only beat Bellamy….. not Sarquiss........ which of course, Bellamy's fall was helped by his momentum........

Oh… My bad, I don't remember the Jaya arc that well anymore. But even tought that, if Bellamy is the captain, it would mean Sarquiss WOULD hall as easy. UNLESS, Bellamy wasn't really the true captain of the crew.

Meaning: Well not really meaning, but it's my guess. That Don Flamingo was the true captain of hte crew, and he placed Bellamy as the captain instead of Sarquiss. But in the end, this is only my guess/oppinion.

maybe blackbeard manage to wound shanks with those rings on each finger

Rai

Maybe he just kicked ass with a cute stick he picked from the floor?

FireFistAce 0

Blackbeard is more than likely a brawler like Luffy. Shanks' scar could easily have been caused with fingernails. Don't believe me? Take your fingers, dig as hard as you can into your skull, and rake them across your eye.

Hyper Dingo

Well he is a champion pie eater we know that! He'd give Wapol a run for his money. ^_^

Impel Down

I'd rather not. Anyway, I think BB's physical strength is enough to have beaten Sachi.

Geese

To those that doubt Shanks' ability before becoming a captain, you are aware he dueled with Hawk Eyes before then, right?

Black'cap Nase

@Fire Fist:

Blackbeard is more than likely a brawler like Luffy. Shanks' scar could easily have been caused with fingernails. Don't believe me? Take your fingers, dig as hard as you can into your skull, and rake them across your eye.

Thats probabaly it, but just to go deeper, doesnt Shanks only have 3 lines? Teach only nicked him with three fingers? I just brought up blades cause usually you hold 3 knives or, in the case of Wolverine, who isnt even anime, he has 3 bladed claws. While we're on the subject of his scars… He must have had them for a long time to include them in his jolyl roger flag.

climhazard

Shanks got shanked by Blackbeard

Eggherd

You can't see Shanks face in the flashback to Gol D Roger's death in chapter 434 meaning he got it sometime in the what 12 years or so between him leaving logue town and arriving in luffy's village.

What's more important to the story as a whole is what was Shanks doing, probably in the grandline, for 12 or less years, and how was Teach involved.

Other than that, Teach is probably going to be strong as hell seeing as how every D so far has been, and I don't see why that would change now. I thought I heard somewhere that Teach doesn't use any weapons, but I'm not sure where. IF that is true that rules out the claw thing. I was thinkin before Blackbeard was some sort of zoan DF user but that boat's sailed hasn't it. Who knows, it's probably something noone's thinking of, I'll just leave it to a later chapter to explain ;)

Falcon

BB might use some kind of three bladed weapon or he could have wounded Shanks by, for example, knocking him into something with three sharp points.

Malintex_Terek

Finger-nails. Maebara Keiichi clawed out his own throat with them; if a weak fool like him could do it, Blackbeard could do so just as easily to Shanks.

psolaras

@Fire Fist:

Blackbeard is more than likely a brawler like Luffy. Shanks' scar could easily have been caused with fingernails. Don't believe me? Take your fingers, dig as hard as you can into your skull, and rake them across your eye.

you do that!

and then send us a poster!

regasatanum

@mercutius:

i'm strongly convinced sacchi was killed in his sleep or without knowing. if you had a devil fruit and a man ran up to you screamin' "GIMME THAT FRUIT", what would you do? fight him to the death for it? i wouldn't because that's retarded. i'd just eat it since it's already in my hands. take a bite and laugh at him.

Dont be too sure. What if Sacchi is already a devil fruit user.

Archtyrant

Let me start by saying that I'm a big fan of Shanks.

He must have been pretty powerful before (otherwise WB wouldn't have recognised him) and even more so after he became captain (he must have gain tons of battle experience if he were to have gained the title of one of the Yonkou).

And it's probable that he got his scar before he became captain.

And he might even have gotten more powerful after losing his arm (think Yang Guo of Return of the Condor Heroes by Louis Cha. For those who don't know, Yang Guo, after losing his right arm, trained his left arm against torrential currents for about 10 years and gained tremendous strength that made him one of the strongest in China at the age of 36). Of course, this is merely speculation.

My main point is, despite this, I think Blackbeard is EVEN MORE powerful. First, he gave Shanks a scar that distinguished him against other pirates in his career. Second, he gained a crew of 4 more people who could handily defeat an entire country on its own. Third, Shanks, who probably heard of "Fire Fist" Ace, probably knew Ace's pure-pwnage Logia powers and yet knew that he couldn't be pitted against Blackbeard, probably only gauging Blackbeard's powers with that moment in time when he fought him, almost 22 years ago. Fourth, Blackbeard learnt of the Darkness fruit and for some reason, he seemed to be the only one who knew about it (WB didn't seem to know). Fifth (pretty crappy, but anyway..) he survived Ace's Hiken, which could destroyed several ships in one go.

My conclusion is that Blackbeard should at least be of Shichibukai power, if not Yonkou-level, at the point just before he ate the Darkness Fruit.

HikaruYami

Dark Dark Fruit? Can't we at least call it the yami yami no mi? Though there's a chance that Oda will do that spelled backwards thing like he did with Smoker's fruit, and call it the miya miya no mi.

oh… oh yeah! On topic, I agree that Blackbeard must have been very strong before the DF, but with the yami powers he has now, we don't really know how it'll work exactly! We can only let Oda reveal in time EXACTLY how Shanks got the scar from BB (as in, when and how), but pretty soon we'll find out how Oda will let darkness' power reign! Ace's fruit lets him burn things, Smoker's fruit lets him engulf his enemies in a highly dense smoke where he can just squeeze them or use physical attacks, Croc's was mostly to dry them to death... this next one could be really interesting!

But yeah, all we know is that before the fruit, BB had to be REALLY strong, but the only clue we have to his original fighting style is the scar on Shanks' face, so it's probably a little early to speculate on his exact abilities.

AD-HD Pirate

I always tought that in some battle BB used Buggy's bara bara-hand and give that a scar to Shanks.

igetownd

@Hyper:

Well he is a champion pie eater we know that! He'd give Wapol a run for his money. ^_^

The shit that Blackbeard makes from eating pies is so powerful that it's stench is comparitively as dangerous as 100x its weight of sarin gas.

Blackbeard merely spat on Shanks' eye and gave him his characteristic scar. Then he shit in front of him. Shanks barely survived it because a fellow nakama tossed Shanks away from the shit while bellyflopping on the shit to try to reduce it's hazardousness. But that guy instantly dissolved, and a whole island was disintegrated.

ronin_luffy

hmmm…. i agree w/ kljs... i think shanks already got the scar when he made the flag...(otherwise it probably would've looked like Luffy's flag)

i also suggest (unless i missed the part) that shanks may have defeated BB or drawed against him (probably the latter).. i think that they both fought one-on-one when whitebeard fought roger...

well thats my 2 cents

Regular

I think he had what it took to become a shichibukai without a DF ability. That how strong I think he would be.

Impel Down

Well, Luffy's quite powerful without his DF too. Ex: Bellamy getting p4ned.

Urokråke

Which person is the only one ever seen in One Piece to wield knife/claw type things likely to make such a scar over the eye? Buggy of course! Although Shanks and Buggy parted after Lougetown, what's to say they never met afterwards? A three way encounter, Blackbeard grabbing Buggy's flying hand and slashing Shanks? Farfetched?

FireFistAce 0

@HikaruYami:

Dark Dark Fruit? Can't we at least call it the yami yami no mi? Though there's a chance that Oda will do that spelled backwards thing like he did with Smoker's fruit, and call it the miya miya no mi.

Moku Moku is also the onomatopoeia for billowing smoke in Japanese.

In fact, all the logias except Crocodile's are named that way. Hie Hie is the sound of something freezing or chattering teeth, Mera Mera is the sound of crackling flames, and Goro Goro is the sound of rumbling thunder.

Back on topic, I still stand firm that Blackbeard is a brawler and simply raked Shanks eyes with his fingernails. Although it's possible he did the knife thing that Buggy does, I can't see any D as anything else than a Hand-to-hand fighter. Saul, Luffy, Ace, and Garp are all Hand to Hand fighters. It stands to reason that Blackbeard, Dragon and Roger aren't exceptions.

GearSecond

People need to stop making excuses for their favorite characters.

We all do it though, but it still messes with the logic.

BB is strong, and now he has a Logia fruit that can deal with what the very existence of the universe is made up of. Possibly Dark Matter, who knows what else, we haven't seen his attacks just yet!

mercutius

@regasatanum:

Dont be too sure. What if Sacchi is already a devil fruit user.

wow that's a good point. i don't know why that slipped my mind. when he said "had it in his hands" it felt more like he was holding it for himself rather than just safekeeping it. well i'm not strongly convinced anymore.

agmaster

@AD-HD:

I always tought that in some battle BB used Buggy's bara bara-hand and give that a scar to Shanks.

Whoa whoa wtf is that ava/sig from Romance Dawn?

Portgas_D_Ace

I don't think Sachi was a devil fruit user cuz he wanted to eat the devil fruit that was stolen by BB

I think BB has some strong phisicall power like Lucci but he don't need a devil fruit for that ( maybe he is as strong as a bear )

b0it0i

i think blackbeard was a close combat dude, it doesn't appear that he has a weapon, as seen in the current battle with ace

Lobolover

@Fire Fist:

Blackbeard is more than likely a brawler like Luffy. Shanks' scar could easily have been caused with fingernails. Don't believe me? Take your fingers, dig as hard as you can into your skull, and rake them across your eye.

Ah,you DO know that you could arested in several countries for making such a post (advising self-harming)

game2005

How come no one ever thought of the idea that Blackbeard might have hit Shank with a beer bottle and it broke when it hit him? If you ahve seen movies or such, you'll know that getting it by beer bottles can leave you scars due to its broken sharp edges scratching you.

Moria

I think he is almost as power as Shanks, and as powerful as him with his DF. Eventually, its obvious hes gonna be the strongest person in the world with a DF soon, besides Luffy.

prutas

Blackbeard is a monster. Didn't he say he receives more damage cause of his fruit, and he practically shrugs off all of Ace's attacks. In his pre-fruit days I don't think you could even harm him!

Guybrush Threepwood

pluss BB killed Sacchi while sacchi had the dark dark fruit so that BB as already beat the dark dark fruit and taken i for his self so thats got to be power full !!!

theinvisibleworm

Blackbeard took more damage from Ace than he would have without his fruit.

This means that Ace's attacks weren't enough to KO Blackbeard or even close to KO him. Blackbeard could have beaten Ace without his fruit, he purposely chose to use his fruit so he could test it out.

It's very clear that Blackbeard can take huge amounts of damage and that he can deal out huge amounts of damage, and I personally don't think Ace was on a higher level than Shanks when he fought Blackbeard.