Ok, deleted. Don't need to fill pages with this stupid crap. I made my point.
You came close man, nice points.
Ok, deleted. Don't need to fill pages with this stupid crap. I made my point.
You came close man, nice points.
Did I see right?! Did someone call the Warlords weak because they chose to become Warlords?! Por que?!
First of all, becoming a member of the Shichibukai gets you status. If you're nasty enough for the Government to basically NEED you, people don't mess with you.
Second, and probably the biggest reason anyone would join, is that you've got total immunity to do what you want as a pirate. Doflamingo gets to have all his seedy little businesses (hell, he gets away with human trafficing, for god's sake), and Mihawk gets peace and quiet to drift in his coffin boat and take his naps. Plus it makes a nice little cover if, say, you want to start a new empire and don't want the Marines or the Government sniffing around in your business. You get total freedom, and the only catch is that sometimes the Government makes you help them out. No problem, though, because (with the possible exception of one of them) these guys are monsters. Hell, even the prospect of an all-out war against Whitebeard, one of the Four Emperors, doesn't exactly have these guys shaking in their boots. Hell, Doflamingo's interested by it.
Also, don't forget that the Shichibukai do not work for the Government. They're allied with them.
No problem, though, because (with the possible exception of one of them) these guys are monsters.
which one do you mean?
@Herr:
which one do you mean?
He's shitting on Hancock I think. Although if he turns out right and she isn't really shichi level I'd blame Oda. I mean it's that or I should be expecting another shichi to not be as great as we assume.
For example, Doflamingo doesn't look that strong and what I have seen of his power does seem broken and really hax. This is from what I've seen, it could turn out it's not the case.
It'd point more to the pirates asked to be shichi because of their threat than anything else. Their strength level just happens to be mid to top tier.
Boa hancock can't be so weak
if she was then what would the wg be bothering themselves with her wasting a whole ship or marines
You have to take into account that against your Average Joe (or Jane) pirate, Hancock's power is completely broken. And if petrification fails, she can kill you just by blowing a kiss! I wouldn't underestimate her just yet.
I think it would he awesome if during the real final arc battle, she gets all disheveled and deranged, to reflect how she really is on the inside.
Boa hancock can't be so weak
if she was then what would the wg be bothering themselves with her wasting a whole ship or marines
In my eyes since it's pointing to her being weak so far I have to assume Oda will either make Luffy lose when he fights her, interrupt the fight or something else unexpected.
I have to assume if she fights Luffy in one of those end of the arc fights that she will be as powerful as Croc or Moria with the new shit she has up her sleeve. I HAVE to believe that will happen, her bring weak would be lame even though I was disappointed that the 7th once unknown shichi was her. So I''m gonna assume she's stalling like Moria was…........
What makes anyone think that she is weak?
What makes anyone think that she is weak?
Umm I think it's cuz her petrifaction power (whether it be from the gorgon curse or DF) has no effect on Luffy yet she continued to use it. Cuz you know she's been using it like that's her unbeatable ability.
Since strength = beauty on the island and we've seen amazon soldiers use that haki imbuing in arrows. I'll assume Hancock is the strongest haki user on the island.
I have to say that for the moment, Hancock is very disappointing.
So currently, she's labeled as weakest in my opinion- that is, until she feels like getting up and showing off more moves other than a kiss bullet and petrification. I mean, it's deadly- but then again, only against those who lust over her. In short, fodder. Not many main characters would fall for that…
That's a weird reason. As one could tell, that ability had probably always worked so when it didn't worked the first time, that was a shocker. So she did it a second time to try it again, and it didn't work then. For me, I hardly see how that makes her weak. She was just shocked it didn't work like it always did.
EDIT: So far, many people have fallen for it. However, she hasn't really done anything regarding her abilities except for Pistol kiss and the Merro thing. It was just one chapter, after all. I'm sure we'll see her other abilities as we get going.
That's a weird reason. As one could tell, that ability had probably always worked so when it didn't worked the first time, that was a shocker. So she did it a second time to try it again, and it didn't work then. For me, I hardly see how that makes her weak. She was just shocked it didn't work like it always did.
EDIT: So far, many people have fallen for it. However, she hasn't really done anything regarding her abilities except for Pistol kiss and the Merro thing. It was just one chapter, after all. I'm sure we'll see her other abilities as we get going.
I don't think Hancock is weak because of her power not working on Luffy. I think she is weak because of her personality and attitude. What good is a strong deadly power if the wielder is a friggin' moron or so conceded with themselves that they can't properly use/develop it.
Now for the record, right now she LOOKS weak, but I won't be suprised if she pulls a whole new strat/technique/style/power out of her ass that makes us think twice about her "power level"…it has only been a couple of chapters afterall, but at the moment, she is at the bottom of the Shichi list IMO.
If her power not working on Luffy automatically makes her "weak" then Enel should be deemed "Weak" and I think many people would have an issue with others calling Enel "Weak"...because he is NOT.
Enel is weak for so many other reasons.
I doubt strength matters that much in One Piece
I mean, Usopp of all people managed to fight in pair with Luffy for a while. Only god knows how much beating he would have whitstood if he hadn't been already hurt from his encounter with Franky and his family.
Crocodile and Moria. I still say any of them have a chance to beat each other, depending on how someone would consider possible plot-devices and crap.
Luffy was just lucky that Oda made the villains go berserk in their final showdown.
@Pospercato:
I doubt strength matters that much in One Piece
I mean, Usopp of all people managed to fight in pair with Luffy for a while. Only god knows how much beating he would have whitstood if he hadn't been already hurt from his encounter with Franky and his family.
Crocodile and Moria. I still say any of them have a chance to beat each other, depending on how someone would consider possible plot-devices and crap.
Luffy was just lucky that Oda made the villains go berserk in their final showdown.
Ugh, statements like these demean everything the Strawhats stand for, and make their adventures worthless!
There's a difference between going crazy and losing all your common sense, and instead going hot-blooded and throwing out a crazy attack. One Piece battles, especially Luffy's battles, follow the shonen tradition of two men giving it everything they have to win, which sometimes means throwing out common sense for pure and intense power.
1. Mihawk
2. ???Doflamingo???
3. Blackbeard
4. Boa
5. Kuma
6. Moria
7. Croc
?. ???Jinbei???
Eneru could beat all of them
Hmm….so far....Enel certainly has a large chance against all of them. However, all of them do have something that could cancel out Enel's attacks.
@Herr:
which one do you mean?
Hancock. I've been over it before in the chapter spoiler topic.
Ugh, statements like these demean everything the Strawhats stand for, and make their adventures worthless!
There's a difference between going crazy and losing all your common sense, and instead going hot-blooded and throwing out a crazy attack. One Piece battles, especially Luffy's battles, follow the shonen tradition of two men giving it everything they have to win, which sometimes means throwing out common sense for pure and intense power.
My but you take this seriously…
Thing is, it's pretty much true. Luffy was so outmatched against Crocodile that it was damn near pathetic. The conditions it took to beat him were astronomical. Same goes for Moria, who, while using a tremendously powerful ability, lost because he lost his cool, and went berserk. Had either kept their cool, Crocodile could've done another teleport-grab, or Moria could've just snipped off everyone's shadow one by one while keeping them all at bay with his wicked trickery. He was moments from winning, too, with the sunlight and all.
It's basically the poetic way for such heavy plotters to go down. They put so much emphasis on their power and plans, yet in the end, they lose the cool that got them so far, and are beaten by someone with less power than they have.
Though I was unaware the Straw Hats were all about going around owning everyone with superior strength. God forbid they overcome impossible odds to advance past superior powers, growing more powerful themselves from the experience.
Same goes for Moria, who, while using a tremendously powerful ability, lost because he lost his cool, and went berserk. He was moments from winning, too, with the sunlight and all.
0h nuh uhh!!
Chapter 482:
Zoro: If you're gonna watch, then do it quietly!!
The fight with Moria is already won.
The only fight that's left is one against time: the morning sun.
Moria wants to use his insane powers to use up the time we have left.
0h nuh uhh!!
Chapter 482:
Zoro: If you're gonna watch, then do it quietly!!
The fight with Moria
is already won.
The only fight that's left is one against time: the morning sun.
Moria wants to use his insane powers to use up the time we have left.
Isn't Zoro saying that because Moria lost his cool the fight is won and the only fight left is time? etc.? He said that after Moria sucked up all the shadows.
When Moria did that final move(one he couldn't control all that well) he lost; imo that's losing your cool when you try to do a move that you know you couldn't handle in your current condition. He did it anyway cuz he was so flustered with Luffy thinking everything was all sunflowers & daises when it comes to the GL/NW
And Moria said several times that they'd never beat him… Plus, Zoro said that after Moria snapped.
Moria only needed to stall for time, since the sun would've killed most of them, anyway.
EDIT: Zik beat me to it.
0h nuh uhh!!
Chapter 482:
Zoro: If you're gonna watch, then do it quietly!!
The fight with Moria is already won.
The only fight that's left is one against time: the morning sun.
Moria wants to use his insane powers to use up the time we have left.
Moria could have just ran with his life, but in pride and frustration, he chose to make one last struggle against the Strawhats for victory.
Kuma told him that the WG was worried about him losing, so he became angry and decided to deal with the Strawhats himself.
Either way he lost, it's just that he chose the path which gave him greater loss.
When you think about it even if Luffy had defeated Moria that wouldn't have saved them from death. Moria basically saved their lives by putting his control over the shadows in jeopardy.
@B-B-B-B-But!!!:
@Zik:
Isn't Zoro saying that because Moria lost his cool the fight is won and the only fight left is time? When Moria did that final move(one he couldn't control all that well) he lost.
Zoro said that after Moria snapped. Moria only needed to stall for time, since the sun would've killed most of them, anyway.
But Zoro said:
Zoro: T****he fight with Moria is already won.
The only fight that's left is one against time: the morning sun.
M****oria wants to use his insane powers to use up the time we have left. Isn't Zoro stating that Moria lost, and is just using his insane powers to waste time and be the survivor??
@Zik:
When you think about it even if Luffy had defeated Moria that wouldn't have saved them from death. Moria basically saved their lives by putting his control over the shadows in jeopardy.
True, but this really just comes down to how Oda decided to write things. He could have had them defeat Moria and just find and purify their bodies etc, but it was better for suspense to have Moria take Luffy's and everyones shadows back to show he was in control, only to have Luffy take him down before their bodies were entirely burnt away.
So your only argument is one character's assessment of the situation?!
And I'm pretty sure once you're the only one still alive, you've won.
So your only argument is one character's assessment of the situation?!
No. I have more argument than that. But since Oda writes the story, and he wrote one of our main characters saying that, I take it as Oda telling us "The Strawhats already beat Moria, now they have to beat time".
And I'm pretty sure once you're the only one still alive, you've won.
Umm…in this case no. We have three parties here: Moria, SHP, and Sun. Lets mix it up though: You, me, and stranger with gun. We box, and you just about knock me out...stranger walks in and shoots you in the head. Does this mean I win? I mean maybe "by default", but we are talking about the overall here. Anyways, I was just playing; though I do think that Moria wasn't exactly stronger than Luffy. The whole fight was just crippled on both ends. Luffy loses his shadow, doesn't take fight seriously, Moria lolls about, h4x with Odz, Luffy steals his h4x, Luffy wins, Moria gets mad, Luffy beats Moria up, Moria gets mad again and try's to brag and show who's boss, Moria suXors, Luffy runs circles on him, building falls over, and sun rises. Nothing really to measure who is really stronger. Pit them in a ring and give them another go and I think <– IMO, that Luffy would win. But this is all theoretical anyways. Oda had them win. A win is a win. Done.
I honestly don't care what any character said, Moria wasn't beaten until he was beaten. And considering it was Moria who made it a fight against time, that's a plus on his part, too.
I'm guessing you don't think too highly of Moria. Luffy took him seriously, especially when his own shadow was taken, and time was running out.
Moria isn't really a character you "put in the ring" to judge their strength, because Moria's power doesn't come from sheer strength. That's reserved for Kuma and Crocodile. Moria's all about tricks, "mindgames", and sneaky crap. He's not gonna fight you straight-up, he's gonna swarm you with bats, double-team you with his shadow, swap with it when you come at him, etc. A fight with Moria will never be a fair one, and that's what puts him on the level of the Shichibukai.
Isn't Zoro stating that Moria lost, and is just using his insane powers to waste time and be the survivor??
No the way I see it is that Zoro saw Moria using his insane powers and from seeing that deduced that Moria was no longer in his right mind and that Luffy already won. Now the fight(the one after) dealt with how quickly they could get rid of this mindless beast(or w/e they called him when he went crazy) before sunrise.
How could Zoro say Moria lost before he went wild with that power when he was still conscious and in his right mind? If he hadn't went crazy with that risky last move Moria could've probably kept fighting until sunrise. You can't say a person lost until it's clear that one side clearly has the upper hand or the a person takes himself out the fight mentally. The latter being what Moria did.
I also don't get why you think Zoro would consider Moria using that power to be the survivor when there was never a risk of him dying.
So basically Zoro is saying Moria lost because he used that insane power to waste time.
Enel is weak for so many other reasons.
Witch reasons?
1. Mihawk
2. ???Doflamingo???
3. Blackbeard
4. Boa
5. Kuma
6. Moria
7. Croc?. ???Jinbei???
Eneru could beat all of them
Exept Teach, Mihawk should be at the bottom of your list.
1.BB
2.Kuma
3.Croc
4.Doflamigo
5.Moria
6.Hancock
7.???Jinbei???
8.Mihawk
@Zik:
No the way I see it is that Zoro saw Moria using his insane powers and from seeing that deduced that Moria was no longer in his right mind and that Luffy already won. Now the fight(the one after) dealt with how quickly they could get rid of this mindless beast(or w/e they called him when he went crazy) before sunrise.
How could Zoro say Moria lost before he went wild with that power when he was still conscious and in his right mind? If he hadn't went crazy with that risky last move Moria could've probably kept fighting until sunrise. You can't say a person lost until it's clear that one side clearly has the upper hand or the a person takes himself out the fight mentally. The latter being what Moria did.I also don't get why you think Zoro would consider Moria using that power to be the survivor when there was never a risk of him dying.
So basically Zoro is saying Moria lost because he used that insane power to waste time.
Because he was speaking in clear and logical sentences? Just because Moria hulked out like that doesn't mean his mind went out of control. It was still Moria, otherwise he would have been spouting random gibberish. Instead he goes on about the same stuff he was speaking about a few minutes ago, the New World etc.
As for fighting until sunrise, why wouldn't he just get beaten faster? He was worn out at that point of the fight, and if Luffy used gear 2 and 3 on a smaller and weaker (non-asguard) Moria then he probably could have been beaten just as fast.
I believe that Zoro meant that Moria had lost either way, not just because of that ability. Even before that Moria was already surrounded by his enemies, so he had no where to run. It was a fight or die situation.
Though I was unaware the Straw Hats were all about going around owning everyone with superior strength. God forbid they overcome impossible odds to advance past superior powers, growing more powerful themselves from the experience.
I wasn't even replying to you, and with good reason! If my post doesn't involve sucking Croc's massive ego then there's no talking to you. Frankly, no one should have to justify how Croc would lose a fight he already lost so long ago.
And this last sentence about overcoming odds is completely accurate, so why is it meant to be sarcasm? The point I'm seeking in my post that that all this "growing more powerful" is worthless if we assume that the SH's old enemies can easily defeat them should they ever come back. That suggests no growth at all. It's ridiculous. And now we're doing it with Moria.
From what I've seen Moria and Kuma are interchangeable at least. They are both on the same level of strength, with me leaning towards Moria. Of course, most of the Shichibukai are interchangeable, but on a list Moria and Kuma would be right besides each other with it not mattering much whose in front of whom.
Kuma is ways stronger than Moria in my opinion. He showed that he isn’t afraid to makes provocative activities in Kizarus sight and go near Rayleigh without fear. His appearance shows that Kuma is top level.
I don't see how him not listening to Kizaru or talking to Rayleigh puts him above Moria. Moria said he knew of his abilities and wasn't afraid of a fight with Kuma at all. Sure, he underestimated the Straw Hat crew because they were rookies, but Kuma was a Shichibukai so Moria knew that he had real power. Couple that with the abilities that both have shown and they are pretty much equal.
I don't see how him not listening to Kizaru or talking to Rayleigh puts him above Moria. Moria said he knew of his abilities and wasn't afraid of a fight with Kuma at all. Sure, he underestimated the Straw Hat crew because they were rookies, but Kuma was a Shichibukai so Moria knew that he had real power. Couple that with the abilities that both have shown and they are pretty much equal.
I'm curious, in the case of another someone who Moria "wouldn't underestimate" appearing on the island, what more would Moria have done? His strongest moves were still Odz and his shadow asguard, against another opponent his zombies and underlings would have been just as worthless even if Moria actively sent them to attack.
A big opinion is that the SHs enemies are losing because they underestimate them. While they do look down on them with contempt and are confident in their abilitiy to win, it doesn't always mean they would fight differently. Especially in this case, with Moria.
I'm just saying that from the beginning that Moria wasn't really putting much thought into defeating the SHs. Moria got pissed for the first time when Kuma told him that the WG were afraid he would lose to the SHs. During his battle, he was pretty laid back because he knew that he had it in the bag with such an inexperienced crew.
For example, if you were really good at playing a video game and you had a friend that you played against that wasn't as good at you and new to the game, you would probably not play hard against him to completely demolish the guy. However, if you were to go against another friend of yours that is on the same level then you would probably be much more deligent and serious with your attacks correct? That's what I'm getting at.
I'm just saying that from the beginning that Moria wasn't really putting much thought into defeating the SHs. Moria got pissed for the first time when Kuma told him that the WG were afraid he would lose to the SHs. During his battle, he was pretty laid back because he knew that he had it in the bag with such an inexperienced crew.
For example, if you were really good at playing a video game and you had a friend that you played against that wasn't as good at you and new to the game, you would probably not play hard against him to completely demolish the guy. However, if you were to go against another friend of yours that is on the same level then you would probably be much more deligent and serious with your attacks correct? That's what I'm getting at.
Well…no. It's true that Moria didn't team up with Odz right away, but I'm refering to when he did. His attack where at maximum efficiency, and he quickly knocked out the SHs. He even tried to kill them after getting the KO. I ask, how more serious could Moria have gotten then that?
If say, another shichibukai was on the island, I imagine that Moria would set up his zombies as human shields (they'd be useless in this fight), jump in Odz and fight 'til the end. But that's pretty much the same thing that Moria did, albeit slowly, against the SHs. The cocky attitude that made it seems like Moria wasn't taking things seriously was part of his character. I doubt any shichibukai would lose that attitude in the face of an equal opponent, but it doesn't mean they aren't taking things seriously.
Well…no. It's true that Moria didn't team up with Odz right away, but I'm refering to when he did. His attack where at maximum efficiency, and he quickly knocked out the SHs. He even tried to kill them after getting the KO. I ask, how more serious could Moria have gotten then that?
If say, another shichibukai was on the island, I imagine that Moria would set up his zombies as human shields (they'd be useless in this fight), jump in Odz and fight 'til the end. But that's pretty much the same thing that Moria did, albeit slowly, against the SHs. The cocky attitude that made it seems like Moria wasn't taking things seriously was part of his character. I doubt any shichibukai would lose that attitude in the face of an equal opponent, but it doesn't mean they aren't taking things seriously.
While in Oz, he just sat there and used his shadow to let Oz attack as he pleased. However, like you said, he did things slowly. He was pretty casual, and his attitude is lazy. I understand that but he didn't take the SH crew very seriously at all.
Moria wasn't beaten until he was beaten.
Waaahhh wahhhhhhhhhhh:
! ^^ After he wakes up from being knocked out, he waists no time using Shadow Asgard. If he wasn't already beat, he likely wouldn't have used something like this…especially considering he knew he had to kill time if he wanted to survive. Pshh, he was done for and they all knew it…so Zoro said it.
I'm guessing you don't think too highly of Moria. Luffy took him seriously, especially when his own shadow was taken, and time was running out.
I liked Moria. I loved TB. But the fights weren't typical OP battles. It was Moria playing dodge ball, using his hax, and then using a gambit move – losing to all three! What I don't think too highly of is how everyone thinks Moria is/was better/stronger than Luffy. I personally think that is garbage. Luffy won fair and square, and the rest is history. Let me put it this way: Luffy didn't take the fight seriously in the beginning when he was screwing around with Moria and trying to just punch and kick him head on. Luffy was definitely serious when he used Gear 2nd / 3rd to dodge and beat the hell out of Asgard Moria.
Moria isn't really a character you "put in the ring" to judge their strength, because Moria's power doesn't come from sheer strength. Moria's all about tricks, "mind games", and sneaky crap. He's not gonna fight you straight-up, he's gonna swarm you with bats, double-team you with his shadow, swap with it when you come at him, etc. A fight with Moria will never be a fair one, and that's what puts him on the level of the Shichibukai.
Yeah, I totally agree with this. What I meant was that if it were a normal battle from start to finish VS. Luffy. Not Odz + Moria vs. Nightmare Luffy, and then Asgard Moria vs. Gear Luffy. I think it could have been a great fight that way – though I am not at all disappointed with the way it was done – and Moria definitely would have given Luffy a run for his money, but I have no doubt Luffy would have come out on top. Moria showcased his top move set and was still defeated. Hell, I would wager he only made it as long as he did against the SHP's because of someone else's strength: Luffy's (in Odz).
Edit: I totally agree with onemoment.
He didn't take the SH crew very seriously at all.
Then what would you say to the aftermath of Nightmare Luffy? Moria got knocked out, and afterward had every opportunity to use whatever abilities and powers he had. What did he do though? He used Shadow Asgard – and still lost. On a time limit to boot! Like onemoment said, when Moria used Shadow Asgard he was still completely sane. Nothing changed in his speech, in his actions, in his desires…nothing. Zoro's comment was based off Moria still being completely normal, just that he (Zoro) knew Moria was cornered. The only downside we saw to Shadow Asgard was that after he (Moria) took hits from Luffy the shadows all tried to escape and Moria couldn't retain them when they did. Moria knew his powers and used them well the entire time, so I wouldn't say Shadow Asgard was a bad move on his part considering the situation. Instead, I would say it was his only move that would give him the time he needed.
Sorry, I didn't specify. I was talking about before Nightmare Luffy. When Oz was fighting the SHs Moria was still pretty laid back, even after they had beat some of his General Zombies.
While in Oz, he just sat there and used his shadow to let Oz attack as he pleased. However, like you said, he did things slowly. He was pretty casual, and his attitude is lazy. I understand that but he didn't take the SH crew very seriously at all.
I don't think you get that I'm implying that not taking the crew seriously does not mean he was holding back his attacks.
What more could he have done? He helped Odz stretch and afterwards the crew got knocked out. There's nothing more he could have done against a different opponent. It would all end in Moria using Odz, then it that didn't work Moria would fight himself.
Well, I don't necessarily mean that he was holding back. Just that he wasn't serious, meaning that he was pretty lackadaisical. Against an opponent such as Kuma, I doubt he'd just sit there laughing at the guy.
Well, I don't necessarily mean that he was holding back. Just that he wasn't serious, meaning that he was pretty lackadaisical. Against an opponent such as Kuma, I doubt he'd just sit there laughing at the guy.
Well that changes everything! Of course against Kuma things would be a little different.
Then again, would they really lose that arrogance? I think that someone like Moria would laugh if he ever got an advantage during that fight. All the shicihbukai seem to think of themselves as big guys after all. I think it's more like, Moria would like to laugh, it's just that a guy like Kuma wouldn't give him a change too!
Unless of course the these two shichibukai took a break from there fight to say something. Which, in this genre, is very very likely.
XD
Yeah, I was just trying to get at that from what I've seen, Moria and Kuma are pretty much the same "strength". Using the word strength for abilities, capabilities etc.
Against Kuma, he would actually take him as a legitimate threat instead of an "inexperience rookie".
Moria and Kuma are pretty much the same "strength".
While I completely disagree with this – given the SHP's beat Moria, and Kuma wiped the floor with the SHP's -- there is something else that has been bothering me: is there a limit to what Kuma can puni?? Because, there sure doesn't seem to be. I mean, he could probably just puni Moria and Odz for 3 days and 3 nights, right? Hell, he could probably puni the freakin planet for all we know. Want a new solar system? Hit up Kuma!
Limit? So far, I haven't really seen one. Probably not something too big like a building because then it would just cause a section of the building to break off and go flying.
And Kuma did wipe the floor with them, after they were all beat down. However, it's hard to see them being able to do much even at full strength but Kuma against Moria would be something totally different than against the Straw Hat crew.
Moria had won before Kuma showed up!! He just needed to wait for the sun to come up, that was it!!!! Kuma provoked him into fighting AND loosing.
If he had waited for the sun, most of the SH would have melted away in the sun…
I also agree with a previous post that Moria underestimated the SH and was careless.
Moria had won before Kuma showed up! Kuma provoked him into fighting AND loosing.
So you are saying that if Kuma never showed up the Strawhats would never have sought out and fought Moria? Or are you saying they would never have found him?
You're actually arguing Shadow Asgarde wasn't overkill and was the best decision he could have made? He turned himself into a giant target with no mobility.
Telling me if Moria absorbed half as many or less shadows he wouldn't have a far easier time dodging(using increased speed&doppleman) and getting in quick strikes against the SH? If he did take a blow you think he'd cough up as many shadows, if any at all?
Quite clear Moria lost his cool and was trying to defeat the SH in the most over-the-top way to show his superiority. Not the best or most efficient way. AS for not being equal to Kuma, do you think Moria has never had the idea to go Nightmare mode himself? No going from 1-1000 has always been Moria's preferred tactic.
You're actually arguing Shadow Asgarde wasn't overkill and was the best decision he could have made?
I'm arguing that nothing would have made a difference. Yes, it was more than he could handle and I am sure it was a bad decision, but the end result wouldn't have changed. From his POV taking in all those shadows might* make him slower and easier to hit, but his defense must have been high as hell, so I doubt he thought Luffy would be able to do that much damage to him. Luffy is just ridiculously powerful.