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Chapter 518 "Battle Arena" Discussion
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I want her to join but it just seems likely that she could be the next leader.
Curious what makes you think anything points to this likelihood. Obviously, since I am not the story writer, I cannot really say one way or another, but I see nothing introduced yet to suggest she (of all people) should have the title. I mean, Hancock didn't even know who she was outside she was one of the warriors/guards*.
Or they could make the old lady the new leader.
This, if anything, seems much more likely since she was a leader once before and seems to have a good head on her shoulders. Not to mention it would follow the same pattern as Skypiea in that Luffy helps the elderly retake the throne. Kind of. I'm sure Oda won't repeat it like that (to that degree) though.
*freedom - looks like we might still be on to something:
@Stephen's:Hancock: I did not see our warriors in the port.
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I don't think she is stalling. She couldn't kill him, he escaped the bathhouse, and she shot him out of the sky where he crash landed. Since she then calls out to the Kuja Guards to catch him – which they do -- Luffy becomes the public enemy, and therefore must die by way of their death penalty: to fight to the death. (Which appears to be the norm for men -- or any lawbreaker -- on that island). I highly doubt anything he yells out would hold much sway with the public there anyways, since she could just charm them back into submission if they even thought of listening to Luffy.
It may not be her character but if the ppl who are suppose to get the job done fail, do it yourself. It seems like she's gonna only fight after her sisters fail when she'd logically have a better chance if they all ganged up on him and killed him but I guess she was so dismayed by Luffy's resistance to her charm she couldn't lift a finger.
I'm not even focusing on her DF failing, she must have other strengths/abilities like haki for example and she should just use it. I know we have to go through with what's on her back and all that but I'd like to see Luffy in a more dire situation. Right now he just seems really defiant and I don't have much doubt so far that he'll lose.
I think what would make this more exciting for me is if I had some doubt that Luffy would lose like "Oda can't kill him here…....right?" That to makes the conflict and reaching the climax of a arc that much better.
Side note is it me or does the Boa sister with the snake tongue afflicted with giantism? I can chalk up the other one as just being really fat but the other one with the un-proportional head to body ratio seems awkwardly huge. May be a late question but are they even really sisters? I know you guys went over the whole what inspired this and the background f the story but I just don't get how Hancock could be sisters with those other two. She could be ugly and you wouldn't even know if they were around.
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@Zik:
Words…
Well, yeah of course. I mean Oda needs to build up to something like that though. I thought you meant she was stalling by having this public execution. If you mean why doesn't she just tag team with her sisters, then the answer is in the chapter: she expected the panther to kill him, and since that failed she made some comments to which he said she disguests him – she couldn't handle that, and being the princess she is she requests for her sisters to take care of him because she is so upset about this. Again, like the panther, I think she assumes that her sisters will overwhelm him with ease. Then she might get serious and step in to become the monster that will put the fear into us…or maybe she won't just yet. Depends on how long Oda wants this arc to be, and how he wants to resolve the Hanckock/Shichibukai/Momonga issues. I still think Momonga will be Luffy's Haki punching bag.
Edit: I'm still not sure I understand what you were talking about, so maybe this posts doesn't make sense?
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Well, yeah of course. I mean Oda needs to build up to something like that though. I thought you meant she was stalling by having this public execution. If you mean why doesn't she just tag team with her sisters, then the answer is in the chapter: she expected the panther to kill him, and since that failed she made some comments to which he said she disguests him – she couldn't handle that, and being the princess she is she requests for her sisters to take care of him because she is so upset about this. Again, like the panther, I think she assumes that her sisters will overwhelm him with ease. Then she might get serious and step in to become the monster that will put the fear into us…or maybe she won't just yet. Depends on how long Oda wants this arc to be, and how he wants to resolve the Hanckock/Shichibukai/Momonga issues. I still think Momonga will be Luffy's Haki punching bag.
Edit: I'm still not sure I understand what you were talking about, so maybe this posts doesn't make sense?
Yea I'm lost since you kinda posted stuff I already mentioned and considered. On top of that I'm not even sure what you're quoting of me "Words…..." I'm not even sure it's in my post lol.
Yea I'm not sure what you're trying to say to me in rebuttal at all.
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Your original question seemed to be, "why doesn't she just gangbang him and get it over with" to which I responded with, "since Luffy is now publicly known between both Kuja and Hancock, she is simply following the code: Death Sentence". I also noted that even if Luffy did squeal, her charm ability would likely be able to fix whatever rumour he tried to start. So, she is overconfident (as usual), and is following Kuja code – since Petrification failed, that is.
^^ I was merely trying to answer your question. Your follow up post had a lot of stuff and didn't really seem to make sense to me in response.....which is where I got confused. So I just added to the discussion as best as I could. I pur "Words..." because you wrote a lot and I didn't want to take up space since I wasn't quoting anything in particular -- just you.
Edit: Actually, no. After reading both posts again I think everything I said made perfect sense and adds well to the discussion as well as answering your question.
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Something I find interesting is that the name Hancock has no relation to flowers as far as I can find. I don't think there is any other person on Amazon Lily who's name has been mentioned that isn't related to flowers some how.
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Your original question seemed to be, "why doesn't she just gangbang him and get it over with" to which I responded with, "since Luffy is now publicly known between both Kuja and Hancock, she is simply following the code: Death Sentence". I also noted that even if Luffy did squeal, her charm ability would likely be able to fix whatever rumour he tried to start. So, she is overconfident (as usual), and is following Kuja code – since Petrification failed, that is.
It wasn't so much a question as it was a suggestion.
That where you were confused. I mentioned each event and made a suggestion. I never even spoke on Luffy one hitting the panther since it wasn't worth it.
I said Hancock should've teamed up with her sisters after the panther failed to get it over with or just tell all of the amazons to haul ass and whoever kills him gets a prize.
The part concerning the code of the Kuja was done after the panther got owned. I then went on to say I don't have any doubt that Luffy will not win since he's been defiant for the better half of them trying to kill him. I go on to say it'd be a more exciting conflict when reaching the climax if the situation Luffy was in made it appear as if he would lose. At this rate he will make his way through the fight with the sisters and something left field will happen, he'll then tussle with Hancock and then her secret will be revealed. At that time either rebellion or something else. Oh and Margret and the other 2 return to normal…......
All in all I'm hoping for more unpredictable events than predictable......
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Curious what makes you think anything points to this likelihood. Obviously, since I am not the story writer, I cannot really say one way or another, but I see nothing introduced yet to suggest she (of all people) should have the title. I mean, Hancock didn't even know who she was outside she was one of the warriors/guards*.
This, if anything, seems much more likely since she was a leader once before and seems to have a good head on her shoulders. Not to mention it would follow the same pattern as Skypiea in that Luffy helps the elderly retake the throne. Kind of. I'm sure Oda won't repeat it like that (to that degree) though.
*freedom - looks like we might still be on to something:
Well to me it looks like Margaret is strong and could be the leader type. But Nyon becoming leader again would be best for the Kuja people since Nyon seems nice and wise.
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Marguerite's possibilities of joining is still iffy. Even though Luffy treated her more like a nakama than the rest of the island (besides Sweetpea and Alphendra) she still has a Conis vibe to her. If anything she might stay to make Amazon Lily more open to men in the future.
But all that's hogwash, I want her to join!
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Something I find interesting is that the name Hancock has no relation to flowers as far as I can find. I don't think there is any other person on Amazon Lily who's name has been mentioned that isn't related to flowers some how.
Ralph Hancock was a famous garden-making person-type human.
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margaret and the two others are set to join now
its just been set in stone mind the pungreat chapter really
luffy now in serious mode and they are shocked by luffys power considering now haki is used. So if haki with a weaker person can do what luffy did or more with brute strength imagine luffy with haki omg someone gonna get hit with a wet fish
well this is the 5th chapter
and i can easily see more than 2 chapters which brings that to 7+ i think oda will end this with a nice 10but hopefully he will give the other chars 2-5 chapters on their adventures and give Zoro an nice 10 chapters too, his condition right now shouldn't be let to go to waste
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Well to me it looks like Margaret is strong and could be the leader type. But Nyon becoming leader again would be best for the Kuja people since Nyon seems nice and wise.
This is assuming that Hancock's defeat or the revelation of her secret gets her overthrown. The way these kuja have been acting since this arc started has been a mix between kind and innocent along with ignorant and arrogant. Even for the ppl who were a little nicer.
Nobody questions the rules set in place since before Hancock which leads me to believe they might not change all that much. If anything they'd need a leader to educate them on the world. so maybe Nyon could do that since she traveled around the world or maybe Momonga comes back Buster Call style and makes all of the amazons evacuate the island lol…........
Originally Posted by Dark_Kaomi
Something I find interesting is that the name Hancock has no relation to flowers as far as I can find. I don't think there is any other person on Amazon Lily who's name has been mentioned that isn't related to flowers some how.Maybe somehow Hancock is not from Amazon Lily and that's her secret? Maybe the real Boa sisters died against the gorgon monster and those 3 took their places????????
margaret and the two others are set to join now
its just been set in stone mind the punI just don't see all 3 or more than joining Luffy. Although 2 ppl on a boat to Sa does seem unnecessarily dangerous lol
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Ralph Hancock was a famous garden-making person-type human.
Ah did not know that. Thank you.
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Zik: This was way back in the thread but I guess you forget that Blackbeard described his power to ace while fighting him. There has been other Df users that describe their powers to some extent when engaging there opponent.
So haki possible being explained, is really not that big of a deal.
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@Zik:
Maybe somehow Hancock is not from Amazon Lily and that's her secret? Maybe the real Boa sisters died against the gorgon monster and those 3 took their places????????
I was thinking something similar. Like adopted or something. Maybe…
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Zik: This was way back in the thread but I guess you forget that Blackbeard described his power to ace while fighting him. There has been other Df users that describe their powers to some extent when engaging there opponent.
I don't know why ppl keep mentioning parts in the manga where stuff like this happened. I never said it didn't I said I feel it is stupid and lame. I think it's a bad way of telling us what the bad guy's ability can do. Also I'd call that example an exception since there was no way Ace was gonna win anyway. Telling your enemy what you can do and how it works is not smart. I don't even know how ppl can think otherwise.
Which is more of a tactic in a fight; your enemy racking his brain trying to figure what and how you're doing what you're doing OR them already knowing what you can do and how it works cuz you told them and then they spend time in the fight trying to figure how to counteract and defeat you?
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lolwut?
Nightmare Luffy?
Oh and please, someone shoot those "Hancock will join the crew" theories now, even worse than the mom theory.
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lolwut?
I think he meant poison.
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Even though Boa's Mero powers don't work on Luffy I wouldn't count her out. She might bust out some psuedo "Haki" battle power on Luffy.
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its good. luffy is stupid.
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I still don't get it.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/zkaiser/poison-final-fight_small.jpgIt's the grandma Amazon, when she was young. :D
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I still don't get it.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/zkaiser/poison-final-fight_small.jpgWell, the only time I can remember Luffy getting poisoned is with Crocodile. I think he's trying to mix it with snake venom and that he'll get poisoned this arc. Beyond that, I dunno.
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@Zik:
Telling your enemy what you can do and how it works is not smart. I don't even know how people can think otherwise.
I think this is somewhat conditional. You mentioned before that explaining something like this would lead to either: [[B]A] other person would learn how to use said device after hearing how it works or [[B]B] they would learn how to circumvent said tactic/ability.
^^ I simply do not believe that is always the case. You said so yourself that Blackbeard is an exception. Why? Because "there was no way Ace was going to win". Now, how do we know that? We don't. We (as readers) only know Ace wouldn't win because Blackbeard is being setup as a major bad guy, and because we read it and saw it happen. Ace didn't know. Blackbeard didn't know. So doesn't that make Blackbeard an idiot for giving away his secret?? No, he was just confident he would win <– just like everyone else who says or does something similar. It is for the readers benefit for the most part, but also fits in with the antagonists overconfident character. Furthermore, when the antagonist (or anyone) explains these things, it is rarely then used as an exploit. For example: explaining _shigan, tekkai,_and rankyaku never helped anyone avoid, defend, or counter them. It is one thing when someone tells the location of their secret, explains how they are going to win a given battle, or explains their weakness when they think they have the victory already – but another thing entirely to simply explain what something is and how it works; especially in this case where "Haki" is as normal as toilet paper on their island. Though the way the live…they might not actually use toilet paper.
I will add again that I am not necessarily saying it (Haki) will be explained mid battle, and only that it should be explained soon. Just stating my view / opinion on the matter. I think we already agreed that we disagree. Though I am curious what other examples you could provide on how it could be written differently. You suggested the author narrating or explaining it – which I personally think is retarded (no offense) -- but I am curious if you have any other ideas? Just trying to prod discussion along in a less harmful manner.
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Even though Boa's Mero powers don't work on Luffy I wouldn't count her out. She might bust out some psuedo "Haki" battle power on Luffy.
Her powers work on him just not the part that turns ppl to stone.
A power may be more confusing tho, cuz lets say the gorgon story is a lie and its a DF. Somehow she can turn ppl in to stone(which doesn't effect Luffy) and make heart shaped bullets(which do effect Luffy). This is assuming that she didn't put haki in to that DF attack, if she did then why not put haki in to the DF attack that turns ppl in to stone.
I also find it weird she always has to make a heart sign with her hands to do the attacks every time. Which keep pointing to the merro/fall in love vibe and not the petrification(turning ppl in to stone). Maybe Hancock had some training with the hidden leave village ninja and its a ninjutsu using hand signs she's using and not a DF?
But really if the gorgon curse story is fake and she has a DF ie appears that it has 2 separate powers. Turning ppl in to stone and projectile attacks similar to bullets…..
^^ I simply do not believe that is always the case. You said so yourself that Blackbeard is an example. Why? Because "there was no way Ace was going to win". Now, how do we know that? We don't. We (as readers) only know Ace wouldn't win because Blackbeard is being setup as a major bad guy, and because we read it and saw it happen. Ace didn't know. Blackbeard didn't know. So doesn't that make Blackbeard an idiot for giving away his secret?? No, he was just confident he would win <– just like everyone else who says or does something similar. It is for the readers benefit for the most part, but also fits in with the antagonists overconfident character. Furthermore, when the antagonist (or anyone) explains these things, it is rarely then used as an exploit. For example: explaining shigan, tekkai, and rankyaku never helped anyone avoid, defend, or counter them. It is one thing when someone tells the location of their secret, explains how they are going to win a given battle, or explains their weakness when they think they have the victory already – but another thing entirely to simply explain what something is and how it works; especially in this case where "Haki" is as normal as toilet paper on their island. Though the way the live…they might not actually use toilet paper.
sigh I'll say again that it is my opinion that it is stupid and I don't really care if anybody else's agrees or not but the points some of you guys are bringing up are asinine. I didn't say the BB fight was an example I said it was an exception since he would've won anyway I also add that IT WAS STILL STUPID! also I'm not saying he is stupid as in he is labeled that forveer I'm saying that was a stupid move!!!!! You let your massive ego and overcondfidence get ahead of you winning a fight the easiest way.
LOL @ Ace and BB didn't know you're combining two different realities. From a reader's perspective I find it stupid since I would say why would you tell your enemy that before or during a fight? Why not just surprise him and kill him? In that world BB told him off of being confident and bragging as to why he killed Thatch, it was still a stupid decision. It didn't bite him in the ass but he caused the possibility of it happening. I wish Ace would've said "That was pretty stupid of telling me that, now all I have to do is make sure you don't grab me."
Like I've said there are others ways of telling the reade of the new abilities. When it comes to manga a lot do it but NOT ALL.
Do you really not see how it would be stupid to tell your opponent the how;s and what's of your special move/ability? Cuz I recognize that some mangakas go with the crowd and follow suit and just convey the meaninig of the attack to the readers in that fashion. I understand that and I've said it before and I'm saying it's redundant, lame and it's just stupid when it comes to a fight.
Though I will add again that I am not necessarily saying it will be explained mid battle, and only that it should be explained soon. I am not arguing against you either, just stating my view / opinion on the matter. I think we already agreed that we disagree. Though I am curious what other examples you could provide on how it could be different. You suggested the author narrating or explaining it – which I personally think is retarded (no offense -- but I am curious if you have any other ideas? Just trying to prod discussion along in a less harmful manner.
Then why engage in a discussion on it again? The person who brought this up was already answered. I didn't mention you or go back to any other previos posts on this. I replied and moved on….......
Some guys just can't let it go.
Oh and other ways? have a spectator figure it out, I'd prefer a damn flashback on the attack instead of one person telling his opponent, have someone who fought him and lost shout it out like a dumbass during the fight, have the opponent figure it out himself in the fight himself by stretching it out(if he's smart), or the reader doesn't find out what the attack is until the fight is over and the winner has been declared, there are a couple more.
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@Zik:
Her powers work on him just not the part that turns ppl to stone.
A power may be more confusing tho, cuz lets say the gorgon story is a lie and its a DF. Somehow she can turn ppl in to stone(which doesn't effect Luffy) and make heart shaped bullets(which do effect Luffy). This is assuming that she didn't put haki in to that DF attack, if she did then why not put haki in to the DF attack that turns ppl in to stone.
I also find it weird she always has to make a heart sign with her hands to do the attacks every time. Which keep pointing to the merro/fall in love vibe and not the petrification(turning ppl in to stone). Maybe Hancock had some training with the hidden leave village ninja and its a ninjutsu using hand signs she's using and not a DF?
But really if the gorgon curse story is fake and she has a DF ie appears that it has 2 separate powers. Turning ppl in to stone and projectile attacks similar to bullets…..
If Boa can't turn Luffy to stone then her powers don't work on him.
The bullet projectiles is just another way to release Boa's mero mero powers on the enemy.
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Hancock is totally Naruto's real mom:silly:. Seriously though I really need to stop reading this thread. It keeps making me think of new theories. A week of theories with no answers will be torture.
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If Boa can't turn Luffy to stone then her powers don't work on him.
The bullet projectiles is just another way to release Boa's mero mero powers on the enemy.
I can't believe you said Hancok trained with the Hidden leaf villageMy post dealt with a lot of speculation.
I said IF the gorgon curse story is a lie and she has a DF how can the Df grant her the power of petrification AND an ability to shoot projectile like bullets that actually hurt. Unless the regular merro attack is the same as the bullet one but just softer
then again you're right I'll wait until more is revealed. Until then I'm gonna assume Hancock has 2 abilities one a Df and the other the gorgon curse.
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@Zik:
Her powers work on him just not the part that turns ppl to stone.
A power may be more confusing tho, cuz lets say the gorgon story is a lie and its a DF. Somehow she can turn ppl in to stone(which doesn't effect Luffy) and make heart shaped bullets(which do effect Luffy). This is assuming that she didn't put haki in to that DF attack, if she did then why not put haki in to the DF attack that turns ppl in to stone.
I also find it weird she always has to make a heart sign with her hands to do the attacks every time. Which keep pointing to the merro/fall in love vibe and not the petrification(turning ppl in to stone). Maybe Hancock had some training with the hidden leave village ninja and its a ninjutsu using hand signs she's using and not a DF?
Wooooowwwwwww~!-Quoted from Flavor Flav.
I love chapter threads =)
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I wonder when Luffy will find out that Boa is another Shichibukai. I'm betting after he defeats her for comedic effect.
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@Lok:
I wonder when Luffy will find out that Boa is another Shichibukai. I'm betting after he defeats her for comedic effect.
I wonder when Luffy will find out his full name, the year he's in, his birthday, his mother, and why he likes meat so much. hancock being a shichibukai will have to take a back seat.
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Luffy should not waste energy fighting the two sisters. He can just jump pass them and grab Hancock to the top mountain like he did with Margaret. Then he can force her to turn Margaret and other back to normal, or he just take her to the boat and tell her to row out of there.
Instead of Luffy find out that Boa is a Shichibukai. It would be more funny when they found out that Luffy is a wanted man and had defeated 2 Shichibukais
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I wonder how the Kuja would react to a shrunk luffy if he kicks the asses of the sisters with Gear3
would it be enough to overcome Hancock's beauty? Who knows
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Hancock turned into another super-paramecia monster by the end of this arc. With all those kuja loving her she might be able to pull off something like increasing her current strength by feeding off the adoration she receives. She sure got a really abstract power, even compared to Moria's, so who knows.
Luffy relying on Giant Jet attacks to finish off the future schichibukai would be lame though
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@Pospercato:
I wonder how the Kuja would react to a shrunk luffy if he kicks the asses of the sisters with Gear3
would it be enough to overcome Hancock's beauty? Who knows
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if Hancock turned into another super-paramecia monster by the end of this arc. With all those kuja loving her she might be able to pull off something like increasing her current strength by feeding off the adoration she receives. She sure got a really abstract power, even compared to Moria's, so who knows.
Luffy relying on Giant Jet attacks to finish off the future schichibukai would be lame though
Yeah, she could transform into a monster that would represent how she is on the inside. Or her most powerful attack is the ability to turn people to stone. And if it is then it's an easy victory for Luffy. The ability she has is pretty powerful and effective on most people and would be a reason for making her a Shichibukai.
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@Fiasco.:
I wonder when Luffy will find out his full name, the year he's in, his birthday, his mother, and why he likes meat so much. hancock being a shichibukai will have to take a back seat.
To be fair, Luffy isn't the only "D" that doesn't know what the hell it means. And you don't need to know why he likes meat. Meat tastes good. IT'S SO BANK!
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Hehe prob a bit late for ta party but anyways good chapter
I was kinda hoping Luffy wouldn't have ta fight another Shichibukai so soon but looks like i was wrong..
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I'm finding Boa's surprise at many things to be somewhat dissappointing for a Schichibukai.
I'm also feeling that this arc is reading like a softcore hentai, with all the breasts, implied lesbianism and handjob references.
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Well "Pants-eater", looks like you're "overfeeling" it there then.
Nice chapter overall, but it felt a tad slower than the previous ones.
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i want to see some haki.
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Here are some "hakisacs" for a start:
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I think this has probably been discussed before, but should we start positing again as to why exactly Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily? Did he want Luffy to delay Hancock and keep her from the Whitebeard battle (which incidentally, she didn't plan on attending anyway)? Does he want Luffy to beat Hancock? Did he somehow imagine that Luffy would be greeted differently than he was? Was Kuma's intention that Luffy end up learning Haki? Or perhaps it's related to the secret on their backs? Or maybe… he thinks that Luffy will somehow (indirectly) persuade Hancock to join the Whitebeard battle?
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Here are some "hakisacs" for a start:
http://www.cerf-volant.ch/shop/images/hakisac_footbag.gif
:JI like you, your quick and witty…want to join my crew!
Was it ever really stated that Kuma could control were the victim landed? D:
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@Fiasco.:
I like you, your quick and witty…want to join my crew!
Was it ever really stated that Kuma could control were the victim landed? D:
because luffy landed on an island in the middle of the clam belt? where he could have easily fell into the ocean….
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@Fiasco.:
Was it ever really stated that Kuma could control were the victim landed? D:
Other than Sentoumaru saying "As for the destination, only the man responsible can know", I don't think anything else was stated.
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You'd have to be pretty lucky to soar through the sky of a water planet and hit an island by accident.
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No, that's why i think it's a tad more possible that Kuma made sure to send the SHs to a island not a specific one he had in mind before he sent them. It's one thing to say Luffy was purposely sent there by Kuma but he also purposely sent the other SHs somewhere else together or individually?
I mean if it was to take down Hancock wouldn't his whole crew be more of a help instead of Luffy vs. all of the amazons?
I'm willing to believe that Luffy was sent to an island by a shichi that happens to be run by another shichibukai lol as absurd as it may seem.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
because luffy landed on an island in the middle of the clam belt? where he could have easily fell into the ocean….
yeah. Luffy could have fell of the Sunny to his doom a while ago, but that wouldn't be to good for the story now would it? :D
You'd have to be pretty lucky to soar through the atmosphere of a water planet and hit an island by accident.
you have to be pretty Lucky to do alot of things, but that is what being the main character of a series is all about.
So Sentomaru thinks Kuma can control it, but who really knows…
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After all Kuma did say they will never meet again.
So unless you can break this unlying meaning i guess we all have to wait