LOL like you did it…. Let us end this childish play now... If you show me that then I will show you that their opponents are nearly equal... so forgot it.
The rankings we give the crew.
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@Mr.:
2. Zoro & Sanji:
their power is close to equal.
I LOL`d so hard^^ Besserwisser thier just messing with you. Everyone nows Luffy = Zoro >(>>) Sanji
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I doubt anyone would compare Luffy to Zoro if it wasn't for the databook statement. Zoro hasn't shown anywhere near the ability that Luffy has. I also agree that Zoro is far closer to Sanji then he is to Luffy.
Zoro redirecting Oz's attack was impressive but it's not the same as what Sanji did. Sanji took Oz's rubber pistol straight on and literally repelled Oz backwards. Sanji's move was more impressive but as said earlier he used his better move to do it, while Zoro redirected using regular skills.
I still say Zoro is a little bit ahead but it's close, far closer then Luffy and Zoro.
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Ok, whose the nutcase that made a dupe account for Zoro vs Lovecook?
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@cc2000:
I doubt anyone would compare Luffy to Zoro if it wasn't for the databook statement.
You forgot that the databook statement doesn’t need for the compare between Zoro and Luffy. They fight in Whiskey Peak and were equal. There are so many hints. I think some people can’t read decent.
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You forgot that the databook statement doesn’t need for the compare between Zoro and Luffy. They fight in Whiskey Peak and were equal. There are so many hints. I think some people can’t read decent.
One of the arguments i forgot to mention.
Fighting equally for a couple of moves does not mean they are equal in general. If that were true all fights would be one person completely and fully overwhelming his opponent from beginning to end. Unless we're reading different mangas, all real fights are basically people going back and forth until one ends up knocked out.
The same freagin' thing happened with Franky. Why isn't anyone debating that they're equal? Hypocrisy, maybe?
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Just because their battle was close doesn't mean their equal.
edit: lol my post was late ur the faster poster Sir Crocodile
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@Sir:
One of the arguments i forgot to mention.
Fighting equally for a couple of moves does not mean they are equal in general. If that were true all fights would be one person completely and fully overwhelming his opponent from beginning to end. Unless we're reading different mangas, all real fights are basically people going back and forth until one ends up knocked out.
Just because their battle was close doesn't mean their equal.
edit: lol my post was late ur the faster poster Sir Crocodile
Then its good that Oda write in the Databook that they are equal in strength because some people can’t compare strength.
@Sir:
The same freagin' thing happened with Franky. Why isn't anyone debating that they're equal? Hypocrisy, maybe?
Because Luffy fight at the same time against the shipwrights and Franky and Luffy haven’t a nice picture were they stand like there are equal and really cool.
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Then its good that Oda write in the Databook that they are equal in strength because some people can’t compare strength.
Because Luffy fight at the same time against the shipwrights and Franky and Luffy haven’t a nice picture were they stand like there are equal and really cool.
I wasn't about to reply to this, but since it doens't seem that you read back just one page, i've already commented on the databook and will not do it again.
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@Sir:
I wasn't about to reply to this, but since it doens't seem that you read back just one page, i've already commented on the databook and will not do it again.
cc2000 mentioned the Databook first, but that don’t means that I can’t use this argument. Further you can see that I cite the Post from cc2000, so you are the one who don’t read back just one page.
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Yes I will understand and reply fully in tagalog…
I wonder if Oda will release another databook...an updated version so this issue will finally clear out. Although I doubt that fanboys would stop aruging
Buti naman. Haha. Naku, nag aaway na naman sila dito. Ayokong sumali.
I want him to release one too. So that our beloved characters need not be belittled anymore. And I'm not just talking about Sanji here but the others too (i.e. Usopp, Robin, etc).
I'm a Sanji fan, but I don't put him in a pedestal. I just want him to be given the recognition he deserves. But, that's another topic.
@Mr.:
Although Ruffy himself is able to deal with numerous enemies at the same time, these two monsters are the mass-destructors of the crew. and even bigger enemies are no problem. whenever zoro sees his title as a swordsman endangered he grows bigger mentally and physically. equally big growth is to be seen with sanji both physically and concerning intelligence, when it comes to a crisis situation.
because of zorro being presented as a fighter more often than sanji, people might think he was much stronger. but i think, oda gave many hints (douriki, nearly equal enemies) to show, their power is close to equal.I concur. I actually see them as Luffy's right and left hands (metaphorically speaking, of course). Luffy is not only depending on Zoro when it comes to fighting, he also depends on Sanji. As was shown when he let him go ahead and confront the CP9 members in the Puffing Tom, alone. Remember their Den Den Mushi conversation? He knows that Sanji is strong, and one he can rely on, not only in cooking his food, but also in combat.
In fact, even Zoro, on numerous occasions, have shown that he thinks of Sanji as a rival. And by rival, I think he sees him as an equal. You can't think of a person as your rival if you can beat him to a pulp by using you pinky finger. But, of course, that's just an exaggeration. But you get the point.
Right?
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Buti naman. Haha. Naku, nag aaway na naman sila dito. Ayokong sumali.
Mas mabuti pa na hayaan mo no lang sila mag-away:happy:
I'm a Sanji fan, but I don't put him in a pedestal.
I hope every fan boys/girls acts like this… give them credit don't obsess.
For the record I understand why people believe that Zoro is closer to Luffy than Sanji. But I just can't picture it for reasons I stated before
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Just throwing in my opinion tho all has probably been said already, And im with the Sanji and Zoro are just about equal team. And i base that mostly on that they have on two occasions fought people who i perceived as rivals/equals, the first being Mr.1 and Mr.2 mostly because of their little spat at the desert cafe where Mr.2 dropkicked him thru the wall and they were about to duke it out, And the second being Jabura and Kaku, and in the second you of course have the fighting ability chart that confirms it. I mean you could never imagine Zoro taking down Luchi, or atleast i couldnt.
And of course the way they compete and threathen to beat each other up all of the time just seems to solidify the rivalry betwenn them, atleast in my book.
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Buti naman. Haha. Naku, nag aaway na naman sila dito. Ayokong sumali.
I want him to release one too. So that our beloved characters need not be belittled anymore. And I'm not just talking about Sanji here but the others too (i.e. Usopp, Robin, etc).
I'm a Sanji fan, but I don't put him in a pedestal. I just want him to be given the recognition he deserves. But, that's another topic.
I concur. I actually see them as Luffy's right and left hands (metaphorically speaking, of course). Luffy is not only depending on Zoro when it comes to fighting, he also depends on Sanji. As was shown when he let him go ahead and confront the CP9 members in the Puffing Tom, alone. Remember their Den Den Mushi conversation? He knows that Sanji is strong, and one he can rely on, not only in cooking his food, but also in combat.
In fact, even Zoro, on numerous occasions, have shown that he thinks of Sanji as a rival. And by rival, I think he sees him as an equal. You can't think of a person as your rival if you can beat him to a pulp by using you pinky finger. But, of course, that's just an exaggeration. But you get the point.
Right?
Well and that's the point, why I dislike this discussion… Oda is showing us that clearly but some people don't want to see this.
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I agree that Luffy and Zoro were equals during whiskypeak, but that was such a long time ago. The characters have changed so much in terms of power that it's not relevant anymore far as I'm concerned. I just feel Luffy's growth has been ridiculous and Zoro just can't compare anymore when you base them on their full abilities. Regardless most people pretty much have their mind set on an idea, so I'm not going to bother to debate it anymore regardless if I'm right or wrong.
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no offense but sanji couldn't do what Zoro did at the end of tb arc without dieing.
yea everyone was injured but Zoro was able to keep fighting even if it ended in defeat. Sanji only woke up just to get knocked out you can pass it of as just one of those manga things which mean nothing but to me it shows sanji's condition and how weak he was after the bomb meaning he would have died without a doubt if he too luffys pain etc.People who have been saying Zoro is closer to luffy than sanji seemed to have dissappeared with this thread swamped with Sanji fans who are talking bout parts which make them even instead things which pull them apart.
Luffy only beat luuci cause he was bluddy rubber, if he weren't like sanji and luffy the ammonts of hits he took would have been the end of him. Truely if luffy took hits in those numbers from a swordsmen then damn he would get cut to death.
Zoro and sanjis mini fights, neither of them are using full strength in those but note Zoro has to use the back of his blades. Now if your foolish enough to say he can fight Zoro all out without getting cut once your diluded.
Zoro is preety much the only one who trains in the crew and i don't think any ones including that period of training he was doing press ups with huge weights on his feet. Lets see the end result of the Fishman arc at least we can give a more finate conclusion on people strength lvl instead of picking out the best bits and acting like oda doesn't hint that Zoro could be as strong as luffy thats aimed at Kishido
also Odz was really like a gear 3 speedy luffy but bigger and not made of rubber. To me that Zoro with little effort Zoro can deflect a gear 3 punch from luffy. Whille if luffy Use a gear 3 mad attack Sanji would be able to deflect him.
Don't anyone think that Sanji n Zoro both gotten closer to luffy. Cause its only getting to half way and i don't think Oda wants to pull luffy that far away from the two with the hype gained bout the new world, and as i said multiple times and even ussop. The enemies are getting stronger and luffy can't fight every single one to protect his crew especially if its something like what happened at tb with 2 shichibackai attacking. To me that showed that Oda wants to show that the crew will get themselves stronger and not just wait for luffy.
Luffy isn't as far ahead of Zoro and sanji as people think and this debate should be put on hold till a few arcs as too many are hung up on the doriki system which didn't include the powers of fruit (which no one knows how it effected there power lvls)
in fact if luffy sar far stronger than the 2 why do you think Oda made nightmere luffy a 1 time power up isn't that in itself a hint from oda about the top 3 strength differences?
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no offense but sanji couldn't do what Zoro did at the end of tb arc without dieing.
yea everyone was injured but Zoro was able to keep fighting even if it ended in defeat. Sanji only woke up just to get knocked out you can pass it of as just one of those manga things which mean nothing but to me it shows sanji's condition and how weak he was after the bomb meaning he would have died without a doubt if he too luffys pain etc.People who have been saying Zoro is closer to luffy than sanji seemed to have dissappeared with this thread swamped with Sanji fans who are talking bout parts which make them even instead things which pull them apart.
I think you're misunderstanding things here. I, being one of the Sanji fans, said that Zoro>=Sanji and most of them agreed with that statement. Nobody said that Sanji>Zoro. In fact, KiShiDo-san and I (the Sanji fans) both said that Zoro is stronger than Sanji, though only slightly. I reiterate: Noone, in the last few posts, said that Sanji>Zoro. Hope this clear things up.
Luffy only beat luuci cause he was bluddy rubber, if he weren't like sanji and luffy the ammonts of hits he took would have been the end of him. Truely if luffy took hits in those numbers from a swordsmen then damn he would get cut to death.
I think you shouldn't fault Luffy for having a DF ability. If that is the case then, shouldn't we also remove Lucci's DF ability from him and have them duke it out and see who's stronger?
Zoro and sanjis mini fights, neither of them are using full strength in those but note Zoro has to use the back of his blades. Now if your foolish enough to say he can fight Zoro all out without getting cut once your diluded.
Hmm… I'm not quite sure with this one. Do you have proof that Zoro uses the back of his blade when fighting Sanji? I can't recall any statement wherein this was implied or said outright.
also Odz was really like a gear 3 speedy luffy but bigger and not made of rubber. To me that Zoro with little effort Zoro can deflect a gear 3 punch from luffy. Whille if luffy Use a gear 3 mad attack Sanji would be able to deflect him.
Don't anyone think that Sanji n Zoro both gotten closer to luffy. Cause its only getting to half way and i don't think Oda wants to pull luffy that far away from the two with the hype gained bout the new world, and as i said multiple times and even ussop. The enemies are getting stronger and luffy can't fight every single one to protect his crew especially if its something like what happened at tb with 2 shichibackai attacking. To me that showed that Oda wants to show that the crew will get themselves stronger and not just wait for luffy.
Luffy isn't as far ahead of Zoro and sanji as people think and this debate should be put on hold till a few arcs as too many are hung up on the doriki system which didn't include the powers of fruit (which no one knows how it effected there power lvls)
Again, I think your misunderstanding things. Nobody said that Sanji and Zoro are not close to Luffy in strength. What was said was he was the strongest member of the SH crew. That's all. There were no statements of Luffy being far much stronger than the rest of the crew.
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I think you're misunderstanding things here. I, being one of the Sanji fans, said that Zoro>=Sanji and most of them agreed with that statement. Nobody said that Sanji>Zoro. In fact, KiShiDo-san and I (the Sanji fans) both said that Zoro is stronger than Sanji, though only slightly. I reiterate: Noone, in the last few posts, said that Sanji>Zoro. Hope this clear things up.
yea i know people aren't saying that but i just think its getting a bit close to the stage of people saying it and comments i've read from others have been quite close in the statement
Hmm… I'm not quite sure with this one. Do you have proof that Zoro uses the back of his blade when fighting Sanji? I can't recall any statement wherein this was implied or said outright.
if Zoro didn't use the back of his blades you don't think Sanji's foot wouldn't get cut off. It doesn't have to be said its just obvious
Again, I think your misunderstanding things. Nobody said that Sanji and Zoro are not close to Luffy in strength. What was said was he was the strongest member of the SH crew. That's all. There were no statements of Luffy being far much stronger than the rest of the crew.
no but people instead of thinking how far Zoro and Sanji have increased in power since ennies loby and tb there using ennies lobbies arc to say Luffy is far above Zoro n sanji and that the two are few lvls behind Luffy in terms of power which i believe the odz fight disproves
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if Zoro didn't use the back of his blades you don't think Sanji's foot wouldn't get cut off. It doesn't have to be said its just obvious
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
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yea i know people aren't saying that but i just think its getting a bit close to the stage of people saying it and comments i've read from others have been quite close in the statement
Well I hope that people won't get that far and outright say that Sanji is far more stronger than Zoro. We both agree on that, right?
if Zoro didn't use the back of his blades you don't think Sanji's foot wouldn't get cut off. It doesn't have to be said its just obvious
I don't really know the mechanics of fighting but, as far as I know, facts in our world don't apply to One Piece's own world. But, maybe that's just me.
Also, I believe the others said before that Sanji uses his shoes to block Zoro's swords. But, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@wolfwood:http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
Haha. So, I'm not that far off then. Thank you, wolfwood-san.
no but people instead of thinking how far Zoro and Sanji have increased in power since ennies loby and tb there using ennies lobbies arc to say Luffy is far above Zoro n sanji and that the two are few lvls behind Luffy in terms of power which i believe the odz fight disproves
I believe I'm not one of those people. In fact, I agree with you. The SH crew now, specifically in the Shabondy Archipelago arc, have shown great improvement in their fighting techniques (refer to chapter 510). Everyone is much stronger now. But, so far, I still believe that Luffy is the strongest member.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
LOL Owned!
@ Doctor-san
Well I think I will let You write about this… cuz you are the better writer from us and many thinks I'm just saying it cuz I'm a fanboy.
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@cc2000:
I agree that Luffy and Zoro were equals during whiskypeak, but that was such a long time ago. The characters have changed so much in terms of power that it's not relevant anymore far as I'm concerned. I just feel Luffy's growth has been ridiculous and Zoro just can't compare anymore when you base them on their full abilities. Regardless most people pretty much have their mind set on an idea, so I'm not going to bother to debate it anymore regardless if I'm right or wrong.
You forgot the clear hint that Luffy and Zoro was equal in Skypia. This bad discussion progresses because many people can’t read decent. All of you look only on these locations which you like, to put your lover character above other. It is clear that Zoro and Luffy was equal in Skypia. Oda said that Luffy and Viper are equal in chapter 260 at the last page with the words these two are equally matched!! Later Zoro was for sure equal to viper in the fight against Enel.
In Enies Lobby Luffy was a little stronger than Zoro, but in Thriller Bark for sure those two are equal once again.in fact if luffy sar far stronger than the 2 why do you think Oda made nightmere luffy a 1 time power up isn't that in itself a hint from oda about the top 3 strength differences?
Oda use it to show that they are need any help to beat Oz and don’t good enough for the New World. To put Luffy far away from Zoro because of this crap is wrong. The real hint is that Luffy was put in one legendary Character and Zoro beats one legendary Character (Ryuuma) in Thriller Bark, which puts them equal once again. Further Zoro could endure his damage plus the damage from Luffy.
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@ Doctor-san
Well I think I will let You write about this… cuz you are the better writer from us and many thinks I'm just saying it cuz I'm a fanboy.
Well that's not fair. I'm a fanboy too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes this is one of my unique jokes as well. Veeeeeeerrrry unlady-like, if I may say so myself.But, seriously, I don't think there is any debate/argument going on here, Neomaster121-san. We are agreeing on the same thing and that shouldn't even start an argument at all. If I may quote myself:
I think you're misunderstanding things here. I, being one of the Sanji fans, said that Zoro>=Sanji and most of them agreed with that statement. Nobody said that Sanji>Zoro. In fact, KiShiDo-san and I (the Sanji fans) both said that Zoro is stronger than Sanji, though only slightly. I reiterate: Noone, in the last few posts, said that Sanji>Zoro. Hope this clear things up.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
Well Luffy seems to have a tight grip on zoro's arm, so that probably helped him block that attack. And the power of the bazooka might also have helped in neutralizing zoro's attack.
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you could argue that if you feel like it, but he still put his feet up right betwenn the blade and his body. And since my point was more along the lines of that Feet vs swords doesnt immediatly end in chopped off feet so it still works for me
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you could argue that if you feel like it, but he still put his feet up right betwenn the blade and his body. And since my point was more along the lines of that Feet vs swords doesnt immediatly end in chopped off feet so it still works for me
swords without any force behind them wont be able to cut much of anything.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
that looks like his foot are atcually touching the flat side of Zoro's katana and not the edge of the blade where his swords sharpest. honestly its not difficult to pirce a shoe with a sword.
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Um yeah there was force behind it, even if he managed to absorb some of the impact, which i doubt its still not like he laid it down gently on the edge, they smacked right into each other and his foot stopped the blade. But really like i said i dont feel like arguing possible scenarios, the fact still remains that Luffy blocked a serious Zoros straight on swing with a shoe and since we know its possible, why pray tell shouldnt our resident kicking champ be able to do likewise? thats really all im gonna say.
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swords without any force behind them wont be able to cut much of anything.
I think you're forgetting the fact that Luffy is exerting force as well. And I believe that if you hold a knife on one hand and push the palm of your other hand towards the sharp end of the knife, you'll have a bleeding hand.
that looks like his foot are atcually touching the flat side of Zoro's katana and not the edge of the blade where his swords sharpest. honestly its not difficult to pirce a shoe with a sword.
So if Zoro seriously wanted to hurt you and u defended with a foot. That foot would be cut if not amputatedIs that so? In all my years of reading mangas and watching animes where there is a sword fight, the lighter part is what I've always believed to be the sharp edge of the sword, while the darker part is the blunt one. Like in this picture.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/416/10/
And when I looked back at the pictures, Luffy was stepping on the lighter side. Or, maybe I'm wrong and Zoro doesn't want Kaku to be cut up. Maybe he likes giraffes. Yeah, this is a bad joke, I know.
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if Zoro wasn't going to seriously on Luffy and used the back of his blade than we have new material for discussion.
Zoro > Luffy's sandals > Sanji kicks facepalm
This is one piece. I doubt that everone who has a sword wins normally against someone without one cuz he can't block them.
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I think you're forgetting the fact that Luffy is exerting force as well. And I believe that if you hold a knife on one hand and push the palm of your other hand towards the sharp end of the knife, you'll have a bleeding hand.
Is that so? In all my years of reading mangas and watching animes where there is a sword fight, the lighter part is what I've always believed to be the sharp edge of the sword, while the darker part is the blunt one. Like in this picture.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/416/10/
And when I looked back at the pictures, Luffy was stepping on the lighter side.
Or, maybe I'm wrong and Zoro doesn't want Kaku to be cut up. Maybe he likes giraffes. Yeah, this is a bad joke, I know.
i know the lighter side is the shaper side but if u look at the luffy vs Zoro fight
luffy foot isn't atcually on the sharp edge but on the side of the sword.
Compared to your pic where the edge is atcually touching the sword of kakulook at the angle of the sword on your pic with kaku and Zoro pic with luffy
Luffy foot on side of the blade which isn't sharp
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Well so you say that any strong opponent who isn_t logia or some other DF doesn't stand a chance against Zoro or other swordsman cuz they can't block the sharp edge with force.
If it is that way, then the have to dodge them. But it's a bit out of question cuz Luffy, Sanji and Dogpen blocked swordsattack with force.
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Of course Luffy will try to hit the side where he won't be cut.
Sanji did the same in the movie where he tried to stop Zoro's attack by stopping his arms. Just because they didn't try to stop the sharp part head on doesn't that they are at a disadvantage. -
Of course Luffy will try to hit the side where he won't be cut.
Sanji did the same in the movie where he tried to stop Zoro's attack by stopping his arms.lol n we all know how sanji ended up in that fight hehehe
kishido
don't put things in my mouth cause im not going in that direction at all
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Oh sorry you wasn't the one wo said this. It was jumpalot who said that Zoro didn't attacked with his full force in WP.
Don't be mad at me =(
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lol n we all know how sanji ended up in that fight hehehe
Wow u totally missed the point:getlost:
Just because Luffy or Sanji don't use sword doesn't mean they can't take on someone who does.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/14/
ya know to me it looks like Luffy is straight up blocking those swords with his soft fabric Sandals, or are we to assume that Zoro was just messing with us when he claimed to go all out and turned the swords just to be nice ?
so given this id say Sanjis shoes could block just as well as.
Every should know that Oda said that the Manga will be a porn magazine if he let every time split clothes, so it’s a stupid discussion about the sandals.
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Wow u totally missed the point:getlost:
Just because Luffy or Sanji don't use sword doesn't mean they can't take on someone who does.
yea but with Zoro's ashura how will they know which of his 3 set of heads and limbs are the real one to avoid
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i know the lighter side is the shaper side but if u look at the luffy vs Zoro fight
luffy foot isn't atcually on the sharp edge but on the side of the sword.
Compared to your pic where the edge is atcually touching the sword of kakulook at the angle of the sword on your pic with kaku and Zoro pic with luffy
Luffy foot on side of the blade which isn't sharp
Zoro cuts with sharp edge of bladeThe pic was to help me prove my point that Zoro didn't go easy on Luffy, meaning he "seriously wanted to hurt" Luffy as you have eloquently put it.
So, my point in this argument is that there is no basis on what you said that Zoro uses the back of his blade in his mini fights with Sanji. You are seriously undermining Sanji's strength if you put it like that. There are number of ways Sanji can fight Zoro without having his limbs cut off. He's pretty fast, and very nimble at that. So he can dodge Zoro's slashes.
Also, as you have said,
Luffy foot on side of the blade which isn't sharp
proving another way of deflecting Zoro's sword attacks. If Luffy can use his sandal-wearing-foot in stepping on Zoro's sword to avoid being cut, why can't Sanji use his too? And as far as I know Sanji's leg power is stronger than Luffy's, and I'm pretty sure his leather shoes have more endurance than Luffy's sandals.
Just because Luffy or Sanji don't use sword doesn't mean they can't take on someone who does.
Exactly. Apir!!!!
And since my point was more along the lines of that Feet vs swords doesnt immediatly end in chopped off feet so it still works for me
Works for me too.
Zoro > Luffy's sandals > Sanji kicks facepalm
The summary of this whole debate.
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wow the sandals are stronger than Sanji's kicks
Malupit naman yung tsinelas na yun' -
wow the sandals are stronger than Sanji's kicks
Malupit naman yung tsinelas na yun'Hey kababayan, I guess you should not put any Tagalog phrase here. The Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Britons, Germans, South Africans, Singaporeans, etc. etc. etc. won't understand you.
Anyways, for the sake of those who wanted to know what he meant: he only tells, in a sarcastic way, that the sandals are surprisingly strong.
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Hey kababayan, I guess you should not put any Tagalog phrase here. The Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Britons, Germans, South Africans, Singaporeans, etc. etc. etc. won't understand you.
Anyways, for the sake of those who wanted to know what he meant: he only tells, in a sarcastic way, that the sandals are surprisingly strong.
Ah sorry about that. I'm afraid I started it. I take all the blame. Sorry everyone.
Wow! So you're Filipino too. That's great.
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**The pic was to help me prove my point that Zoro didn't go easy on Luffy, meaning he "seriously wanted to hurt" Luffy as you have eloquently put it.
So, my point in this argument is that there is no basis on what you said that Zoro uses the back of his blade in his mini fights with Sanji. You are seriously undermining Sanji's strength if you put it like that. There are number of ways Sanji can fight Zoro without having his limbs cut off. He's pretty fast, and very nimble at that. So he can dodge Zoro's slashes.**
Also, as you have said, proving another way of deflecting Zoro's sword attacks. If Luffy can use his sandal-wearing-foot in stepping on Zoro's sword to avoid being cut, why can't Sanji use his too? And as far as I know Sanji's leg power is stronger than Luffy's, and I'm pretty sure his leather shoes have more endurance than Luffy's sandals.
Exactly. Apir!!!!
Works for me too.
The summary of this whole debate.
This post end this shity discussion. Once again a great post Doctor-san.
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The pic was to help me prove my point that Zoro didn't go easy on Luffy, meaning he "seriously wanted to hurt" Luffy as you have eloquently put it.
So, my point in this argument is that there is no basis on what you said that Zoro uses the back of his blade in his mini fights with Sanji. You are seriously undermining Sanji's strength if you put it like that. There are number of ways Sanji can fight Zoro without having his limbs cut off. He's pretty fast, and very nimble at that. So he can dodge Zoro's slashes.
i don't see what you mean by Zoro didn't go easy on luffy who said that he did?
my point is that in their mini fights sanji and Zoro they can't be going full out on each other, one mistake on sanji side and he could get his leg cut off thats why i think they don't go full out in their mini fights which i just see as there for comedy basis. n not a full representation
on what would happen in a fight between the two
yea but its true if sanji in the fights is touching the flat side of his blades fair enough comment but again with ashura if they went all out on each other It would be harder cause how will he guess which of the 3 set of swords are the real set -
i don't see what you mean by Zoro didn't go easy on luffy who said that he did?
my point is that in their mini fights sanji and Zoro they can't be going full out on each other, one mistake on sanji side and he could get his leg cut off thats why i think they don't go full out in their mini fights which i just see as there for comedy basis. n not a full representation
on what would happen in a fight between the two
yea but its true if sanji in the fights is touching the flat side of his blades fair enough comment but again with ashura if they went all out on each other It would be harder cause how will he guess which of the 3 set of swords are the real setSame for Luffy… So Ashura > all oppnents without weapons.
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Same for Luffy… So Ashura > all oppnents without weapons.
Luffys got his gattling gun attack but runs the risk of getting cut
im just seeing it as it is close range rights trying to fight a swordmen which is good or at the same lvl run a good risk of loosing a limb. Unless they are better than the sword fighter by farbut then again this is one piece and not the real world so i guess anything goes
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Sanji got Extra Hache^^
But you're right. This is One Piece and they are ways to fight swordsman without weapons.
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i don't see what you mean by Zoro didn't go easy on luffy who said that he did?
I was referring to this post (your post) actually:
that looks like his foot are atcually touching the flat side of Zoro's katana and not the edge of the blade where his swords sharpest. honestly its not difficult to pirce a shoe with a sword.
So if Zoro seriously wanted to hurt you and u defended with a foot. That foot would be cut if not amputatedI thought you were implying that Zoro did (go easy on Luffy, that is). If you weren't then I'm sorry I misunderstood it. But, maybe, next time, try to make your point clearer so that noobs like me won't misunderstand it.
my point is that in their mini fights sanji and Zoro they can't be going full out on each other, one mistake on sanji side and he could get his leg cut off thats why i think they don't go full out in their mini fights which i just see as there for comedy basis. n not a full representation
on what would happen in a fight between the two
yea but its true if sanji in the fights is touching the flat side of his blades fair enough comment but again with ashura if they went all out on each other It would be harder cause how will he guess which of the 3 set of swords are the real setDo you really believe that Zoro can keep up that form while fighting? I was under the impression that Zoro can and will only show that Ashura form when he is about to and is attacking. In fact, I have not yet seen Zoro staying in that form all through out a fight.
Also, as how I see it, even though he sprouted 2 more sets of limbs (meaning 4 more legs and 4 more arms), he still has one body, so maybe one good kick in the torso from Sanji can stop him.
You know what, we are really just speculating here and maybe we should move on to another thread to stop this argument. Maybe in Dumb Predictions or Theories that don't deserve their own thread or even Ask a stupid question and get a stupid answer.
Now I feel even more stupid.
And you know what, unless Oda says otherwise, I will still believe that whenever the two are fighting, Zoro will not and never will use the back of his swords. Because I'm stupid and it is not obvious to me that Zoro obviously uses the blunt side of his blades.
So let's end this here and let the other members post their ranking of the crew because that is the topic of this thread in the first place.
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Let’s wait for a serious fight if one will compare Zoro and Sanji. For sure you can find anything to prove stupid points. Look here, Usopp is strong enough to take Zoros and Sanjis hits and don’t have wounds on his head in the next page we see him. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/76/13/
Here we can see that Zoro can kick, too. From this picture we can assume that they are equal in fights with feet, too.
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Let’s wait for a serious fight if one will compare Zoro and Sanji. For sure you can find anything to prove stupid points. Look here, Usopp is strong enough to take Zoros and Sanjis hits and don’t have wounds on his head in the next page we see him. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/76/13/
Here we can see that Zoro can kick, too. From this picture we can assume that they are equal in fights with feet, too.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/310/07/yea Zoro would block sanji with his feet and cut him down with his arms