If Oda pulled half the shit 4Kids is going to pull with the series, I wouldn't give him a hundredth of my current respect.
OFFICIAL 4Kids Dub Discussion
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Originally posted by GoAnderson@May 18 2005, 03:40 PM
If Oda pulled half the shit 4Kids is going to pull with the series, I wouldn't give him a hundredth of my current respect.
[snapback]51283[/snapback]Yea, but I'm preety sure if Oda gives some really crazy looking contraption to a character in an upcoming arc, you guys won't give it as much controversy as you would if it was 4Kids who did it. I know 4Kids sucks, but I'm just wondering if Oda did that originaly if you guys would accept it, or treat him like 4Kids.
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If he starts pulling punches with the intensity that 4Kids takes things to, I'll lose some of my respect for him. If Oda does it, it's worse – he's supposed to have a fucking grip on common sense... to some extent, anyway..
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Oda wouldn't do that, because he's not a moron. :P It's NOT just because we're used to it. You can't have too much appreciation for a story that is so sanitized to a ridiculous level that it has no emotional or intellectual impact.
It's not about crazy contraptions - if it worked in the story, then it's fine. Putting something in that's not supposed to be there is another matter. -
If everything 4kids dished out was Oda's original masterpiece (ie: lame puns, weird "wth happened" scenes). I would just lable the anime in the "Pokemon" category and be on my merry way. I would watch it from time to time, but not as much as I do now.
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Originally posted by GoAnderson@May 18 2005, 03:45 PM
If he starts pulling punches with the intensity that 4Kids takes things to, I'll lose some of my respect for him. If Oda does it, it's worse – he's supposed to have a fucking grip on common sense... to some extent, anyway..
[snapback]51286[/snapback]Yeah but you gotta remember, One Piece is a fantasy story so Oda can still put wacky stuff and get away with it. I think you guys complain more about 4Kids changing the ORIGINAL way a scene carried out than the actual edit itself. Like the rubber knife for instance. That is something that Ussop would actually have considering he's a prankster and all. Now if Oda made Ussop have a rubber knife BEFORE we saw the rubber knife incident in the dub, we would'ent think of it as much. And here's another thing. In the original Kaya held a gun up to Kuro, in the dub she held a slingshot. Ussop uses a slingshot and characters get intimated by it in the original story, but no one complains about that. Then Kaya has a slingshot and it becomes a whole thing " Oh my god! Why does she have a slingshot? That's so stupid! Who would be scared of that?!" That's my point. If Oda does some of the things 4Kids does to the story you guys won't be as mad as if 4Kids does it. That's what I think anyways.
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Originally posted by RomanMack+May 18 2005, 05:03 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ May 18 2005, 05:03 PM)
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Originally posted by RomanMack+May 18 2005, 03:30 PM–>QUOTE(RomanMack @ May 18 2005, 03:30 PM) _> Originally posted by Aethos@May 18 2005, 03:12 PM
****> Somebody on the TVTome site said I had no life for making comparisons Yep yep, just a hobby, thanks CosmicDebris for your defending statements against that guy
No problem. ;) That guy is really irritating. Funny he should make those accusations when he las nearly 18,000 posts on TV Tome. <_< He also keeps insisting that people only want to watch the original One Piece because we want to see "Zoro's guts spill out , Nami naked and people drink big bottles of booze" Yeah, someone's a little clueless.
[snapback]51241[/snapback]**Yeah it's not like that person would know anything about the plot. Heck I bet he read only a series summary or only watched the dub and thinks he knows everything there is to know about the series. I watch the original because it's just that. The original. No rubber knives, no "accidents," no chakram incidents, no super soakers, no suction cups, no lollipop's, and no hammer guns. The original is what Oda's world is supposed to be. Not what the crappy dub gives us.
Oh and I've figured something out. Kunia and Bellemere's hospital is located IN the shadow realm. The shadow realm in itself is located in THE NEXT DIMENSION! Do you know why Ussop's mom wasn't sent to the hospital? Because they didn't see her parachute.
[snapback]51269[/snapback]**But I'm preety sure if Oda included supersoakers,crazy chakrams,rubber knives,etc. in the original series you guys won't care. It's only when the dub does it that makes us mad right?… Right?...
[snapback]51278[/snapback]You seem to think that edits are so easy a thing to change around.
If Quentin Tarantino never put weapons in Kill Bill, instead they used pop-guns and foam bats, would it be even remotely the same?
If Oda would've used those things, the very plots would have shifted. We wouldn't have these storylines, these storylines all are violence involved._
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Yeah but you gotta remember, One Piece is a fantasy story so Oda can still put wacky stuff and get away with it
Fantasy doesn't automatically equal "wacky". Imagine: Lord of the Rings, brought to you by 4Kids entertainment! :P (Actually there is something similar to that; the Rankin-Bass animated versions - yuck)
If Oda thought a rubber knife would have been better, he would have done it. But he didn't, and rightfully so, because it's not. Somehow I don't think Oda would watch that scene and think to himself "oh, a rubber knife, gee, why didn't I think of that?" :P It's his story, he wrote it the way he thought was best. Never under any circumstances is an alteration done by some hackjobs just to satisfy a bunch of overly-paranoid FCC advisors going to be the RIGHT way for a plot to go. Saying "well, what if he did that?" is incredibly pointless because HE DIDN'T.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@May 18 2005, 04:42 PM
**> Yeah but you gotta remember, One Piece is a fantasy story so Oda can still put wacky stuff and get away with itFantasy doesn't automatically equal "wacky". Imagine: Lord of the Rings, brought to you by 4Kids entertainment! :P (Actually there is something similar to that; the Rankin-Bass animated versions - yuck)
If Oda thought a rubber knife would have been better, he would have done it. But he didn't, and rightfully so, because it's not. Somehow I don't think Oda would watch that scene and think to himself "oh, a rubber knife, gee, why didn't I think of that?" :P It's his story, he wrote it the way he thought was best. Never under any circumstances is an alteration done by some hackjobs just to satisfy a bunch of overly-paranoid FCC advisors going to be the RIGHT way for a plot to go. Saying "well, what if he did that?" is incredibly pointless because HE DIDN'T.
[snapback]51317[/snapback]**Exactly right, CD.
To add to this, Kaya wouldn't use a slingshot, because she was plotting to possibly KILL Kuro. That is in Eiichiro Oda's story.
Also, 4kids make it look like Arlong is so stupid he'd be confused with a rubber knife. 4Kids version is just a joke of Eiichiro Oda's work. 4Kids don't want watchers(the few that there are) to take the series seriously.I want to read Eiichiro Oda's One Piece, not some hacked up version made as a cash-in for a U.S. release.
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Let's just say Oda did include the rubber knife and such in the original story, would you think that the series is garbage or say that it's good. I know Oda did'nt use "super soakers" and such in the original story, but I'm just asking if he did, what would you guys think. Cause I know Pokemon has alot of ridiculous gadgets and that show has TONS of fans.
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The point of that scene was to shake up our Nami thoughts.
Even when we find out Usopp is alive were still shocked.The Rubber knife would never have made sense. Like I said, its so much more than just content edits.
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Oh Geez DOUBLE Geez…
If Oda has someone pointing a water squirt at someone,
Person: An water-squirt?! HAHAHAGAHA!!!
Merman: Actully....
"Sprays squirt"
Person: "Shirek" IT'S ACTULLY ACID!!!!! Help! Help! I'm dying! Fuck you Merman!Would we get mad at that?
If Oda has someone with a hammer gun and he hit someone with it, it cracks his skull. Would we get mad at that?
If Oda has guys surronding Usopp with slingshots aiming at him, would we get mad at that?
If Oda has someone treating Nami with a rubber knife, would we get mad at that?
If Oda has Jango's chakam has an mind of its own and starts attacking Fullbody, would we get mad at that?
If Oda has someone's gun have a cork and if it hits someone, it explodes. Would we get at that?
Oda has always did the similer quirks like 4kids and you guys are worried that Oda may get in the same level as 4kids but guys, that is like saying if we know better then Oda. One Piece can be childish at times and mature at times. One Piece is not always mature. I think you guys are suppose to complian about 4kids changing what not there in the ORGINAL not what happens if Oda does the same thing. Sorry if I sounded like if I defanding the dub, I'm not. I don't want you guys to worry about Oda doing the same thing, he is the writer, not a puppet. He can put whatever he likes in One Piece, it's not up to us to decide. I'm not offending you guys or I'm I ripping you'r head off for a figth. I agree with Roman Mack on that disscussion. ;)
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That is partially true, One Piece is childish at times, like Chopper, Ussop and Luffy raiding the food stores, or generally most of the things that Luffy does. But at other times, it can be very serious.
The show is a whole roller coaster of emotions. Making us cry when Nami's mother is executed in front of her, Chopper learns that the mushroom is toxic, Or when Pell carries away the bomb. Those scenes were done well and with purpose. It is because of these characters backstories that we care about them. If their past is cheapened we don't care about them nearly as much. The whole scene with the fake stab of Ussop is supposed to make us believe that she DID stab him, and leave us in shock for a whole week. After the episode where the truth comes out, we begin to realize that she really is suffering. The way it was editied, we don't care nearly as much, and still think of Nami as a girl who cares about money and just saved Ussop as a courtesy for being former shipmates.
As for the super-soakers, the only time it would make sense is if it was part of a squadron fighting Crocodile. (The Mermen would never need to use super-soakers as weapons, they can already throw and spit water with deadly force.)
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Let's just say Oda did include the rubber knife and such in the original story, would you think that the series is garbage or say that it's good. I know Oda did'nt use "super soakers" and such in the original story, but I'm just asking if he did, what would you guys think.
If ALL the 4Kids edits were part of the original story, I would think it was a really rediculous, unmoving, unintelligent story and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. :P
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@May 18 2005, 08:36 PM
**> Let's just say Oda did include the rubber knife and such in the original story, would you think that the series is garbage or say that it's good. I know Oda did'nt use "super soakers" and such in the original story, but I'm just asking if he did, what would you guys think.If ALL the 4Kids edits were part of the original story, I would think it was a really rediculous, unmoving, unintelligent story and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. :P
[snapback]51471[/snapback]**But see this is the point.. Those things really don't change the main part of the story. The show is still about a guy who wants to become king of the pirates and how he'll stick to his dream no matter what. Let's say in the future Oda disides to put a rubber knife in the story. Would you ABANDON the story completely for something little like that? As a whole the original intent of the creator is still in the dub, to stick to your dreams, and the quest for One Piece. I still think if Oda does half the things 4Kids does you guys would'ent care seeing as HE created it so it must be good…
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The basic story might still be the same, but that dosen't mean the alterations are good.
Lets say that One Piece was a steak. The way the story is told through the voice acting, dialog and music is the seasoning, handling and care in cooking. If we took this example then (to me at least…) the way the story is told through the unedited is like a high-class steak house level of steak. The way One Piece is handled through 4kids is like a steak that you overcook the first time you ever tried to grill something.
Both are still Steak, but one is more enjoyable than the other.
One Piece may be the same story even though 4kids is telling it, but they ruin everything that we enjoy about it.
(I hope this steak analogy isn't too obscure or stupid. The way my mind processes things, it's an analogy that makes sense to me, and I hope it makes sense to you.) -
Yea I guess you got a point, but I still think that alot more animes have worse dubs than One Piece, as bad as it is.
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I just like the original better. I don't need to explain why, I just DO.
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Opps! Looks like they forgot to edit something. I was re-watching the beggining episode of the Kuro arc and the scene when the Ussop pirates first enter the bar Luffy and crew were in, the bar owner is smoking a pipe. I thought 4kids would edit that.
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I saw clips of the original and they were better than the dub. I would watch the fansub, but sadly :( I have installed bittorent many times. But, they could not download anything. So I am chained to the dub.
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Originally posted by Hatchichan@May 19 2005, 03:10 PM
I saw clips of the original and they were better than the dub. I would watch the fansub, but sadly :( I have installed bittorent many times. But, they could not download anything. So I am chained to the dub.
[snapback]51882[/snapback]Then read the manga. You don't need to rely on the dub to spoil the story through shitty means.
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(In whiney voice) But, the anime is better than the dub.
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Yeah, you don't need bittorrent to read the manga. You can download pretty much every chapter, or look at them on the MSN group. (or just keep reading SJ…I just wasn't patient enough to wait for each release ^_^)Plus you can be current with the storyline, which you can't be with the anime. I'm sure someone could help you with downloading the subs, though.
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Well, anyway back to Saturday. What makes you guys think Belemere won't die? They showed the grave and everything. They could 'take her out' in an enormously silly way. Like Arlong could shoot her with a squirt gun that shoots acid. :P
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Originally posted by Hatchichan@May 19 2005, 06:30 PM
Well, anyway back to Saturday. What makes you guys think Belemere won't die? They showed the grave and everything. They could 'take her out' in an enormously silly way. Like Arlong could shoot her with a squirt gun that shoots acid. :P
[snapback]52029[/snapback]Well that's what we're worried about. HOW she will die. Not only that they are merging the 2 Bellemere episodes into one.
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Originally posted by Hatchichan@May 19 2005, 12:27 PM
(In whiney voice) But, the anime is better than the dub.
[snapback]51897[/snapback]Now, now, cease your shedding of tears, for I bring good news. (Other than saving a bunch of money by switching to Geico…)
Learn to use IRC. I learned to do it when "The manga translating group that dosen't exist..." switched to IRC only because too many people linked to them. It took me two weeks because I didn't ask for help, but I'm glad I did, because it's how I get my KF subs now. (Bittorrent isn't good for me because it takes all day for my computer, gives out twice as much bandwidth as it takes in, AND I'm only allowed 5 GB bandwidth a month...)
Anyway, once you learn IRC, you will just need to keep an eye on KF's site, they have a section telling you the filenames to download. I'm certain that the good people at the site will help you or direct you where to get help. (Or google IRC and learn from them.)
Ya Happy? Ya Happy?
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Well, tomorrow is the day we've all been waiting for and it looks grim. Merging the two Bellmere episodes into one is one thing, I strongly bet that Bellmere will be aiming a "super-soaker" into Arlong's mouth since they showed the Marines firing "super-soakers" at adults last week.
As for her fate. I think she'll be taken to be Arlong's slave and prisoner and they'll just say that she passed away while in Arlong's imprisonment.
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JUDGEMENT DAY!…......Is tommorow.
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Originally posted by Hatchichan@May 19 2005, 06:30 PM
Well, anyway back to Saturday. What makes you guys think Belemere won't die? They showed the grave and everything. They could 'take her out' in an enormously silly way. Like Arlong could shoot her with a squirt gun that shoots acid. :P
[snapback]52029[/snapback]Actually that is a way more horrible and violent than just shooting someone with a bullet.
The best we can hope for with Bellemere's death is to have them cut her being shot and instead edit it so that Nami is dragged away by Hatchi first. Then have Nojiko say something like "Nami never saw Bellemere agian." All but the very stupidist of children will figure out what that meant , and the censors shouldnt freak out. Course I'm probably being too optimistic. Well you get what you pay for.
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What if they feed her to Momoo?
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Originally posted by Luffie's Hat+May 20 2005, 02:41 PM–>QUOTE(Luffie's Hat @ May 20 2005, 02:41 PM)
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Then have Nojiko say something like "Nami never saw Bellemere agian.
This just reminded me of something I thought up.
What if they say she was captured, then use the "Ghost" of Bellmere at the end of the arc to make it seem like she is still alive?
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Ghost of Bellmere?
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dumb filler.....
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Originally posted by Hatchichan@May 19 2005, 03:30 PM
Well, anyway back to Saturday. What makes you guys think Belemere won't die? They showed the grave and everything. They could 'take her out' in an enormously silly way. Like Arlong could shoot her with a squirt gun that shoots acid. :P
[snapback]52029[/snapback]No, they THOUGHT she died. But secretly she was airborned up into the air. She was picked up by a plane and was taken to an island where she lived there for the rest of her life. B) :lol:
:rolleyes:
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Tomorrow's the day! :D I'm excited because I just KNOW somthing crazy is going to happen. xD
sadly I have installed bittorent many times. But, they could not download anything.
It could be your ports. Do you have Norton Internet security or somekind of firewall?
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Originally posted by Tony Tony Chopper+May 20 2005, 05:43 PM–>QUOTE(Tony Tony Chopper @ May 20 2005, 05:43 PM)
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Originally posted by Luffie's Hat@May 20 2005, 11:48 PM
Well that would give them an out for Hilruk. His potion teleported him to this same island. Also Pell Flew to this ilsand to recover, And Gold Roger is secretly living there.
[snapback]52608[/snapback]Pell didn't die. If you acknowledged that, why 4kids wouldn't leave him in Arabasta is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Zephos@May 20 2005, 02:51 PM
**Ghost of Bellmere?…
dumb filler.....
[snapback]52535[/snapback]**Yeah, Dumb indeeded. Which is why I'm not going to watch the dub tommarrow "sneeks to hide"
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I know what I'm replying to is a few days old, but…
Originally posted by Aethos@May 16 2005, 10:37 PM
**Shanks has a scottish accent damn it!I mean really how could it possibly be british?! It doesn't even sound british. Heck the first thing I thought of when hearing Shanks voice was "When will he pull out the curse me kilts line"
:lol: Sorry I didn't mean to sound all rude and what not. I hope you can forgive me.
[snapback]50094[/snapback]**I'm not entirely sure what accent it is, but it is DEFINITLY not Scottish.
a) Take it from a Scotsman, it isn't
b) Technically British accents WILL include English, Welsh and Scottish accents dumbass. Learn what Britain is
c) I THINK it's Irish, but unlike you I realise I could be wrong here. -
You know what kicks ass? Flaming people for small mistakes. You're top dog, Cyberdude.
Anyway, to me, it sounded Austalian with some cockney.
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Oh, Bellemere-San; I hate to see what they'll do to you! Who knows; maybe they'll go through with the "Send her away!".
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Well… Look at it this way. Once tommorow's episode is done, our fear for that day is done, and we can put it ALL behind us.
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You sure about that?
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Originally posted by Mr. Santoryu@May 21 2005, 01:56 AM
You sure about that?
[snapback]52758[/snapback]Well, this is the episode we were worried about since the dub started.. I mean I don't hear any other things 4Kids will have trouble getting around.
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How about the Arabasta arc? Well. . . that's if they make it that far.
There's no way they can get past the whole war thing. That is, if they even air it.
If they make it to that point, I can see 4kids making up a bunch of "Rules of Engagement" BS.
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Originally posted by Mr. Santoryu@May 21 2005, 02:22 AM
**How about the Arabasta arc? Well. . . that's if they make it that far.There's no way they can get past the whole war thing. That is, if they even air it.
If they make it to that point, I can see 4kids making up a bunch of "Rules of Engagement" BS.
[snapback]52765[/snapback]**They've let war before on their cartoons. The whole backstory of the Kirby anime revolves around a war and they've shown it, swords in corpses and all! I know One Piece is with humans so the whole idea of war is more violent as if they put it on Kirby, but I think they will leave everything in ,including the idea of war. They just have to edit the blood and weapons. But the idea of war should still be there, as they let it slide with Kirby and that's a much more kid frenidly show than One Piece.
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It'll worry me if 4 kids can make it as far as the Alabasta arc. Someone on the One Piece TV Tome forum told me that in the Arlong arc, they'll merge a few episodes together. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Now imagine how scary it would be if 4 Kids made it all the way to Water 7. They'd probably have to skip a few filler episodes that might not be "important enough". I mean, how are they going to deal with that one episode in Whiskey Peak? You know, the one with the drinking contest. They'll probably change it too grapefruit punch. Hehehehe. "Why haven't they passed out from acid indigestion yet?!"
Then, there's that one when kids, and women disguised as nuns attack Zoro. First of all, since 4 Kids doesn't approve of any religious references, this'll be a problem. Second of all: How the hell will they deal with Zoro attacking kids? Even if he's using the back of his katanas like Kenshin, they'll probably skip that episode. Is Whiskey Peak a filler arc? I'm not sure.
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Originally posted by Senshi Mizaka@May 21 2005, 07:16 AM
**It'll worry me if 4 kids can make it as far as the Alabasta arc. Someone on the One Piece TV Tome forum told me that in the Arlong arc, they'll merge a few episodes together. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!Now imagine how scary it would be if 4 Kids made it all the way to Water 7. They'd probably have to skip a few filler episodes that might not be "important enough". I mean, how are they going to deal with that one episode in Whiskey Peak? You know, the one with the drinking contest. They'll probably change it too grapefruit punch. Hehehehe. "Why haven't they passed out from acid indigestion yet?!"
Then, there's that one when kids, and women disguised as nuns attack Zoro. First of all, since 4 Kids doesn't approve of any religious references, this'll be a problem. Second of all: How the hell will they deal with Zoro attacking kids? Even if he's using the back of his katanas like Kenshin, they'll probably skip that episode. Is Whiskey Peak a filler arc? I'm not sure.
[snapback]52818[/snapback]**Knowing 4Kids…They'll find a way around it, for better or worse!
Half an hour away for the big revealing... BELLEMERE'S DEATH! Please oh please let them edit her death into something belivable! I mean the episode merging is enough!
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Oh man, I just heard Genzo's voice for the first time… WTF?
On the other hand, I really like Bellemere's voice! Nojiko's is fine, too.
Wait - what was with that scene-cut? Nami throwing a tantrum because she doesn't want to go to bed? Yeah right!
I guess they don't want to show that some people can't afford to eat.