I knew I was stretching it a little but yeah i guess Blackbeard did lose the envy thing so.. hmm idk maybe I'm wrong.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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@Gorlom. Yea I did just stop after reading seven deadly sins, but that's why I put the my bad after it.
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Zkaiser: Yeah you are wrong. As a rule never try to apply the seven sins if the creator/author/artist hasn't done so him/herself. You will allways be able to stretch it to fit at least 5 or 6 sins regardless if it was intended or not.
ultimaclima: oh you noticed. sorry I didn't see your correction. My internet is running slow atm and I was still seeing your old post when I posted. =P
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WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAITTTTTTTTTTTTTT. the seven deadly sins are already made for the shichibukai, Moria = Sloth, Crocodile = Greed, Kuma = Wrath, Mihawk = Pride, and so on, and the 4 Youkou are the horsemen of the apocalypse!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this already stated? Not directly by Oda but hinted or something?
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How the hell is Kuma wrath?
No it wasn't hinted. It was just fanspeculation, stupid fanspeculation.
You can find the seven sins in the strawhats as well:
Gluttony - Luffy
Wrath - Zoro (Zoro could also be sloth if you rather want that)
Greed - Nami
Envy - Usopp
Lust - Sanji (and Brook)
Sloth - Robin
Pride - FrankyAnd I guess you can consider Chopper for Wrath if you count monster point.
Seriously the seven sins are very human attributes. Just because you see them in fictional characters doesn't mean that the author intends those characters to represent the sins.
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How the hell is Kuma wrath?
No it wasn't hinted. It was just fanspeculation, stupid fanspeculation.
You can find the seven sins in the strawhats as well:
Gluttony - Luffy
Wrath - Zoro (Zoro could also be sloth if you rather want that)
Greed - Nami
Envy - Usopp
Lust - Sanji (and Brook)
Sloth - Robin
Pride - FrankyAnd I guess you can consider Chopper for Wrath if you count monster point.
Seriously the seven sins are very human attributes. Just because you see them in fictional characters doesn't mean that the author intends those characters to represent the sins.
Agreed.
People work together because their is something in their personality that is flawed. So the more flaws their are the more a person is needed to counter balance.
In manga, when you want a large cast you normally have a character (while they may be similar to the other chars in the story to a sense) will all be of a certain extreme. So its easy to see the "sin's" in just any character.
Just like Luffy stated at the start of the entire series at A.P. Luffy can't navigate, he can't use swords, he cant cook, he can't lie, he can't do alot of things thats why he has people in his crew that can do those things for him.
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It seemed pretty apparent to me back in Loguetown that Dragon has the wind Logia.
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hmmm so dragon is lust! :D lol
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How the hell is Kuma wrath?
From Stephen's Scripts:
Perona: That's one of the Seven Armed Seas!!
The "Despot,"
Bartholomew Kuma!!!
(flop…)
...The man who once committed every atrocity known to piratekind...!!!... Of Course, no Wrath can compare to FMA's Manga Wrath. That guy is just fucking win.
But... I don't buy the Seven Deadly Sins deal. They've all shown traits of every sin.
The Ouka Shichibukai are loosely based on the Seven Samurai. Great Movie. You should torrent it sometime.
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how many deadly sins are there?
I heard that the shitty pope add some crappy deadly sins. -
@Fire Fist:
From Stephen's Scripts:
Perona: That's one of the Seven Armed Seas!!
The "Despot,"
Bartholomew Kuma!!!
(flop…)
...The man who once committed every atrocity known to piratekind...!!!So? Was he angry while committing those atrocities? If so how do you know that?
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Okay, now I feel stupid, everything needs to be "7 sins of whatever".
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So? Was he angry while committing those atrocities? If so how do you know that?
Wrath doesn't just mean anger, Gorlom. It can also mean Vengeance or extreme violence. Which, of course, is something that Kuma does/did.
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@Fire Fist:
Wrath doesn't just mean anger, Gorlom. It can also mean Vengeance or extreme violence. Which, of course, is something that Kuma does/did.
Show me that definition.
All I find is 1) anger or 2) vengance/violence by someone that is angry.
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But isn't sloth one of Moria's obvious quirks? >
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Why doesn't anyone ever do anything with the Seven Virtues?
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@_Meh_:
Why doesn't anyone ever do anything with the Seven Virtues?
Cuz there are more than 7 virtues.
Let's see here. Courage, Love, Loyalty, Kindness, Discipline, Faith, Wisdom, Humility, Joyousness, Honesty, Acceptance, Trust, and the list goes on.
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Cuz there are more than 7 virtues.
true, but there are 7 holy virtues linked to the deadly sins.
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The thing about the seven virtues that counter the deadly sins, is that they aren't as awesome as other virtues like selflessness, courage, determination, perseverance, endurance, and such and such.
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you seem to be using different words for some of the same virtues… isn't preseverance and endurance the same thing? selflessness and humility?
Some of those you listed in the last post are the seven virtues... or included in them at least.
To me it looks like you are arguing this just for the sake of arguing.
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Perseverance is a bit different from endurance. Perseverance is where life is hard and tiring, but you keep going. Endurance is where life is painful and injurious, but you stand strong.
An act of selflessness is when you take off your coat to cover a shivering person. An act of humility is where you put away all your pride so you can humbly respect and honor people.
Many virtues are similar like kindness and charity. It's like red-orange and orange-red.
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All right a new thoery on One Piece. I was listening to Luffy's song "Every-ONE PEACE" and it struck me on this one. I believe Roger's treasure is called "One Peace" not "One Piece". Think about it, in English both words sound the same. Reading our FAQ Names topic, it struck me as most the arguments there are over what people prefer or think the word is being said. So people might use "One Piece" because "One Peace" didn't make sense to them.
Oda said there was some mysteriousness behind the naming of OP… I think this could be this. The world's greatest treasure "One Peace". I came up with the theory when Roger sent everyone one into the GL, he was saying that to become PK you needed "One Peace". Oda's a fan of screwing with fans heads using "One Piece" might be to screw with our heads and thin OP the treasure is an item or something, basically to make us think it has to be something of value. Saying the Poneglyphs is OP is a nice idea also, but thats Robin's dream, every member of the SHs is suppose to be working towards DIFFERENT goals but in the same direction. So, what can be greater then a world map, cure for all illness, great world, master swordsman, a ancient full of fish, meetings an old friend, building the great ship... It had to be something that was only achieveable RIGHT at the end of the series.
Let me explain. The world in OP in running towards choas, Shichibukai, Yonkou, Marines, Revolutionaires. Everyone is causes choas, the new pirates coming through are upsetting things too. Everywhere Luffy and co go, things change… Aside from EL and Java, everywhere became peaceful. Java is a pirate town, even then the guy who was killing people for kicks, Bellamy, was killed. So in some ways... Yeah... Anyway. And EL, I think was to help Dragon + co topple the WG, whose methods are making things worst, not better in many sense.
In thoery, when Roger sent people to the grand line to become next PK, he was saying there can't be a PK while there is fighting going on. When "One Peace" (everyone has stopped fighting) is obtained, there can be a new PK.
As for why the WG is in... Well I believethe reason for doing half of what they do is they believe their method is the best way. In truth, its left them open for everything. They "force" peace to happen, killing people seeking out the Poneglyphs, afriad of what they may discover... Using Marines to kill criminals and others who may upset things. Stopping Revolutions from occuring. Maybe its a fear of change, but I think theres a connection between them coming into power during the void/blank century and the way things are heading.
Maybe at first, yeah, 800 years ago it worked. But as time has gotten on, things have change, stressed out the system. If you look at Ohara, the Buster Call ship were smaller then ones at EL. Why? Because over time the Marines had to produce bigger and better weapons thanks to Roger's efforts. Think of this on a grander scale, the WG is doing the same, over time, their having to use more and more force to keep what they do alive. 800 years ago, they may never needed a CP9 as strong as it is was, because it may have been seen as unness. to go that direction. They may not have have to relie on a delicate balance between 3 different world powers...
In sense, what is going on is not too far short of the Cold War in our world I guess. Everyone is trying to outdo each other all the time, bigger better weapons all the time.
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here we go again… again...
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I can think of no way Oda can turn One Piece into One Peace in a smooth transition that makes fans happy.
Having the title of the series being a failed romanization would be really really really REALLY crappy writing.
Oda has twists in OP but he doesn't outright fuck up like that.
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Thank You Gorlom… Who says its incorrect romanization, Oda wrote the title in Latin text, not Japanese. ^_-
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Come again?
The title is literally "One Piece" with English/Latin letters even in Japan.
If he meant "One Peace" wouldn't the title be misspelled? Ok "incorrect romanization" is probably the wrong term, what I meant was using the english/latin alphabet incorrectly.
Edit: Besides creating chaos to get peace? I just don't see the connection you did there. It could never work out the way you would imagine it. Especially if you aren't around anymore after you started it.
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For heaven's sake… Didn't you read my post...
Say "One Piece" and "One Peace". Their both the same... If you SAY IT OUT LOUD in English!!!! Not a spelling error at all. What I'm saying, is people may be using the wrong word. And Oda is playingalong to make us THINK that the guys in the story have it right too. Its not incorrect rominatisation, nor mispelling... Oda is making us think what people in the story are saying is correct is what I'm saying I think is going on.
So if Roger said his treasures name was "One Peace", people would automatically think "One Piece" because most people would think of a treaure, an object, a piece of something. "One Peace" wouldn't make sense to people.
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I'm trying my best to explain this...
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For heaven's sake… Didn't you read my post...
Say "One Piece" and "One Peace". Their both the same... If you SAY IT OUT LOUD in English!!!! Not a spelling error at all. What I'm saying, is people may be using the wrong word. And Oda is playingalong to make us THINK that the guys in the story have it right too. Its not incorrect rominatisation, nor mispelling… Oda is making us think what people in the story are saying is correct is what I'm saying I think is going on.
So if Roger said his treasures name was "One Peace", people would automatically think "One Piece" because most people would think of a treaure, an object, a piece of something. "One Peace" wouldn't make sense to people.
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I'm trying my best to explain this...
People…. characters or readers?
I don't recall GDR ever using the phrase. I have no idea where it comes from but Oda used it first as the title of his manga. And misleading in that way is IMO seriously crappy writing.
I might have gone along with this if it wasn't the bloody title of the series. It being intended misspelling doesn't make it any better. (I was assuming you meant along those lines all along but seems I failed to communicate that)
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I never said he didn't.
God… Someone help me explain this to Gorlom what I'm trying to say.
Okay, one last time:
-Roger says "One Peace".
-Other characters hear it and say "One Piece" instead of "One Peace"
-Treasure recorded as "One Piece" not "One Peace"
-Oda is using "One Piece" because his characters are and he is a fan of using words in a playful manner. Its the same as mistaking "Two", "too" and "to", and I'm saying Oda may be using "One Piece" on purpose.And my thoery is that while there is fighting, there can't be a PK. To be PK, the person may have to find the greatest treasure.
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I never said he didn't.
God… Someone help me explain this to Gorlom what I'm trying to say.
Okay, one last time:
-Roger says "One Peace".
-Other characters hear it and say "One Piece" instead of "One Peace"
-Treasure recorded as "One Piece" not "One Peace"
-Oda is using "One Piece" because his characters are and he is a fan of using words in a playful manner. Its the same as mistaking "Two", "too" and "to", and I'm saying Oda may be using "One Piece" on purpose.And my thoery is that while there is fighting, there can't be a PK. To be PK, the person may have to find the greatest treasure.
I got what you meant but I was arguing with
I can think of no way Oda can turn One Piece into One Peace in a smooth transition that makes fans happy.
In the back of my head all along.
Even if it is intended misspelling it's a pretty fucked up thing to do. Oda is great at making twists (so great that he can do well without this). He throws in the occational red herring but to my knowledge he has not so far misled readers to that extent.
I can not see that anything good would come out of that idea.
I don't think it is likely or a good idea at all.
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Shakes head, doesn't still you you get it even though yousay you do
Anyway, it wouldn't make sense until the end of the series. ^_-
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Well then all I can do is state my opinion: It's a crappy idea. I hope Oda doesn't go with it.
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And thanks for confirming the idea Gorlom, that no one on AP takes my ideas seriously…
Now if someone like FFA said all this, we'd have a huge almighty discussion on whather or not its true. What do I get... Instant "Its crap" end of story. ^_-
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Don't do that Oda-sensei!////////////////////////<
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Lol… But if it ever happens... Boy...
I'm not letting some people sleep for a while... >:-P
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Lol… But if it ever happens... Boy...
I'm not letting some people sleep for a while... >:-P
Thats the spirit!
I've got this one prediction, or more like a guess.
Luffy's hat, the one Shanks gave him..
Actually belonged to Gol D. Roger.
Maybe, just maybe, inside the hat, there's a map of Raftel.
Luffy just never opened the seam (he did just maybe not here the map was hidden). -
the SH are going to kick nobels and rayleigh will help them escape by fighting the admiral
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Luffy's hat, the one Shanks gave him..
Actually belonged to Gol D. Roger.
Maybe, just maybe, inside the hat, there's a map of Raftel.
Luffy just never opened the seam (he did just maybe not here the map was hidden).and what about that part when Buggy destroyed almost his hat? the map would be in pieces by now… also Shanks had this hat when he was still on Roger's crew and fought with WB
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and what about that part when Buggy destroyed almost his hat? the map would be in pieces by now… also Shanks had this hat when he was still on Roger's crew and fought with WB
The top part of his hat was sliced three times, three cuts now sewn up by Nami.
The red ribbon part was untouched.
So?
Roger might have given it to him right away, when he first joined.
Also, if you mean damage, like Luffy, I'm sure Shanks did all he could to protect that hat.
I don't think Shanks ever before fought directly against WB, I'm sure that was something Roger did. -
The thing about the seven virtues that counter the deadly sins, is that they aren't as awesome as other virtues like selflessness, courage, determination, perseverance, endurance, and such and such.
Okay, the seven deadly sins are suppose to be the ROUTES of all evil actions.
-For example, you wouldn't steal unless you were jealous, greedy or angry.
The same would work for the 7 virtues, all good deeds come from these virtues.
-For example, Risking ones life (courage/bravery) to save another is an act of humanity, charity (giving up something you own for someone else) and kindness.
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The top part of his hat was sliced three times, three cuts now sewn up by Nami.The red ribbon part was untouched.So?Roger might have given it to him right away, when he first joined.Also, if you mean damage, like Luffy, I'm sure Shanks did all he could to protect that hat.I don't think Shanks ever before fought directly against WB, I'm sure that was something Roger did.
Where was it that Nami sew in the paper that belonged to ace? I thought they already used any hiding place the hat might offer for the vivre paper…
Angel emfrbl: what are you talking about? I offered you a discussion. We even had one about the peace/piece... even if you ignored me questioning WHY stirring all that chaos would lead to peace in GDRs mind. (probably because I edited after I posted but before you responded and thus you failed to notice it).
For me he theory is really too incoherent to really start discussing about. Therefor I started talking about what I saw as the foundation for your theory. The pronounciation of piece/peace which I think is a really bad foundation.
Also your whole theory defends itself with "It wont make sense untill the end" which is kinda discouraging.If it's not meant to make sense how are we supposed to be logical about it?
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I don´t wanna be a kill-joy, but did you guys know that the catholic church published the new 7 deadly sins of our life-time.
the new deadly sins are:
1. consuming and selling drugs
2. abuse children
3. enviromental pollution
4. abortion
5. genetic engineering
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Again… All those are results of the 7 orginal deadly sins. I'm aware of this, but don't agree on it. These are "crimes" but not "sins". ¬_¬
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drugs = gluttony?
child abuse = wrath?
enviromental pollution = ??? negligence? sloth?
abortion = lust?
genetic engineering = envy?
greed of grain (what? why "of grain"?) = greed?
excessive richness = greed? (again?)what happened to pride?
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Where was it that Nami sew in the paper that belonged to ace? I thought they already used any hiding place the hat might offer for the vivre paper…
That biblio thingy?
Good point..hmm..
It was written on the ribbon?
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I never said he didn't.
God… Someone help me explain this to Gorlom what I'm trying to say.
Okay, one last time:
-Roger says "One Peace".
-Other characters hear it and say "One Piece" instead of "One Peace"
-Treasure recorded as "One Piece" not "One Peace"
-Oda is using "One Piece" because his characters are and he is a fan of using words in a playful manner. Its the same as mistaking "Two", "too" and "to", and I'm saying Oda may be using "One Piece" on purpose.And my thoery is that while there is fighting, there can't be a PK. To be PK, the person may have to find the greatest treasure.
I think I understand what you're trying to say (Oda named the series after what people THINK the treasure is called, "One Piece", but really, the treasure was meant to be called "One Peace", but people misheard it, and Oda named the series after the presumed name of the treasure so as not to spoil the ending, right?) However, based on the reasons you yourself listed, your assumption of a misheard homophone is seriously flawed: nowhere in the manga have we seen Roger say the words "One Piece". He said @stephen's:
Gold Roger: My treasure? If you want it, you can have it…
(grin...)
Just look for it! I've put everything in the world there.Why people call the treasure "One Piece" is a mystery, since Roger never said it. In fact, I believe the early (very early, back when they were still using Zoro, so it was around 2004 or so) Viz's translations called it "the World's Treasure". I'm not sure why that was, and whether or not it was an accurate translation, but my point is, the name "One Piece" just sort of sprung up for reasons we don't really know, it had nothing to do with anything Roger said. At least, nothing we know of Roger saying. So there wasn't really any misheard homophone, meaning your whole premise is flawed.
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Well we can put under that theme almost every character of every fiction coz sometimes it's like a special characteristic.But they are not full incarnation of an idea.For example Luffy is a gluttony,but he's not doing that with a sinful idea.He just needs a lot of energy.And if Mihawk was wrathfull he could have just killed Zoro and putted an end to possible overcomer of his title.
The only time I know that was made on intence is in Fullmetal. -
Does anyone see anything major happenin to the talk of what-the-first-mate responsibilities lies.
I got a bad theory (i guess), every first mate must put their own ambitions down entierly for the crew and for the captain, because if they are gonna be the first mate they need to understand their responsibilities towards the crew.
Ok maybe alot of you folks say "No shit, wasnt that what Zoro said to kuma?". The answear is "Yes" that's what he said. But that seem to be what Ace said to Blackbeard as well…. and prolly what Rayleigh will say.
Just needed to put it out there. So we might get some updates on Zoro's ambitions and dreams.