General Sonic the Hedgehog Thread (Now With Movie 3 & Knuckles)

…Says someone who whines about Zelda, of all things?

I guess I jumped the gun, though. I'll reserve final judgment until I've actually played the game. I'm not getting my hopes up, though.

Yeah, but I don't hate on Zelda games atleast before I've even seen in-game stuff.

King_Ty

His hand look like Sully from Monsters Inc

Aceburner

@King_Ty:

His hand look like Sully from Monsters Inc

John Goodman should voice Sonic.

tonitonichopper

I wonder who would make a good VA for Sonic and the others now…

Insider2000

1. I'd make the rest of the series a 3D, 2D platformer. However, it would still have a storyline. Imagine Super Smash Brothers Brawl's Subspace Emissary, only not having to fight enemies. Once you clear an area, short cutscene (or maybe not). Boss battles wouldn't ALWAYS be Robotnik, but sometimes. Which leads me to my next chance.

2. Eggman returns to his real name. Doctor Ivo Robotnik. That is his name. That should always be his name.

3. Have everyone age a little. Namely Tails. Have his voice be a TINY bit deeper (I'm thinking a sort of Tai(Digimon)/Hige(Wolf's Reign) English voice (can't remember actor's name), only deeper). He should also start having extra things besides flying. I would say an arm cannon sorta like Sonic Battle. He could shoot one large blast (blast charges) and still be able to run.

4. Stop with the random gimicks. Telekinesis should be for Bioshock, NOT SONIC. "Chaos Control" should only be in cutscenes. People with control over fire (I'm looking at you Blaze) should only use that ability for a speed benefit (maybe a fire exlosion giving a speed boost). No more riding robots. No more doors that you have to open before you continue. No more emerald shard mine sweeper. No more transformation besides Super Sonic (I'll give the one from Secret Rings an exception though) and the ones everyone had before. I wouldn't mind a Super Amy though.

5. Shadow is no longer important. We knew what he was at the end of SA2. He's no longer a mystery. If Shadow were to appear at any time, it would be to provide help ONLY when Sonic NEEDS it. Otherwise, Shadow should be a lazy selfish bastard who only wants to relax.

6. Sonic needs to love Amy back. This "EW, AMY GERMS! I'm gonna get cooties" is getting really old. Amy needs to be a bit more mature, but at the same time so does Sonic. I'm not saying have them make out in front of me, but have them have a loving respect for each other. Amy can still be a happy little girl, but don't make her say "Marry me Sonic" every two seconds. A simple, "Sonic, you're the best!", and a hug will suffice. Sonic's reaction should be a simple chuckle, and a return to business type attitude. Not that hard.

7. No more Time Travel.

8. The villian of the entire game….NEEDS TO BE ROBOTNIK. That is what SA and SA2 did RIGHT. Robotnik is the greatest evil of all. No "evil God who has been sleeping" or whatever. Unless the shit hits the fan, Robotnik needs to be THE villian ALWAYS. I make an acception for Chaos and the "Ultimate Lifeform" because Robotnik didn't know about those.

9. Don't let the Emeralds be part of the story. Seriously, in past games, you had to go through HELL to get them. Now, it seems like you can get an emerald out of your ass. In SA2, Tails had an Emerald, and Rouge stole the Emeralds like taking a piece of paper from a copying machine! This kinda killed the magic. But whatever.

10. Last, but most important. STOP. MAKING. CHARACTERS. WITH. THE. SAME. PERSONALITY! Silver reminds me too much of Shadow. Blaze reminds me too much of Rouge (even though I like them both). All the generic characters made as temporary villians (I'm looking at you Sonic Riders) need to stop being "Oh, I'm gonna PWN you! LOL!"

TakinawaTonfa

Simple, take the franchise away from Sonic Team.

Sandai Mera

Here my take on your points

2. Doesn't really make much of different he's still Robotnik regardless of
design or slightly insignificant name change.

3. If Mario doesn't have to age nether should Sonic unless it involves a Dark future storyline.

4. How bout giving Sonic's Super Form an upgrade like SS2 and no I'm not joking.

6. How bout just writing Amy out she wasn't really that great of a character
Sonic Adventure definitely didn't help that.

8. If Robotnik is made the main villian of every game that would get stale
I mean Mario is facing off against Bowser every 5 minutes nor is Megaman
kicking Wily's ass everytime, though there is a good reason for the last part.

9. Didn't the Master Emerald play a part in some of the games?

raj

Sandai Mera

Not everybody's seen or heard of that you know.

Aceburner

Seriously, I don't understand why the main villain can never be Robotnik anymore (agree that there was really no point to the name change and that Eggman has been an inferior foe ever since he became Eggman.) Seriously, you want an apocalyptic setting? Bring the Death Egg back.

And do something about those camera angles. Holy crap, fans have been complaining since Adventure 1. It's getting kind of embarrassing.

Sandai Mera

@Aceburner:

And do something about those camera angles. Holy crap, fans have been complaining since Adventure 1. It's getting kind of embarrassing.

Bad camera angles are always going to be present in almost any 3-D game

Aceburner

@Sandai:

Bad camera angles are always going to be present in almost any 3-D game

Yes, but there should be some way to fix it, at least.

@Sandai:

8. If Robotnik is made the main villian of every game that would get stale
I mean Mario is facing off against Bowser every 5 minutes nor is Megaman
kicking Wily's ass everytime, though there is a good reason for the last part.

Don't complain about staleness and then run to Megaman as a shining beacon of the opposite. Sure, they try something new once in a while, but I got a little depressed after Battle Network 6.

Sandai Mera

@Aceburner:

Yes, but there should be some way to fix it, at least.

If the camera's been plaguing Sonic games or Sonic players for since the first
Adventure game part of me doubts they'll ever get around to fixing it.

@Aceburner:

Don't complain about staleness and then run to Megaman as a shining beacon of the opposite. Sure, they try something new once in a while, but I got a little depressed after Battle Network 6.

I only said they don't use Wily anymore.

tonitonichopper

@Insider2000:

2. Eggman returns to his real name. Doctor Ivo Robotnik. That is his name. That should always be his name.

He was always Eggman.

3. Have everyone age a little. Namely Tails. Have his voice be a TINY bit deeper (I'm thinking a sort of Tai(Digimon)/Hige(Wolf's Reign) English voice (can't remember actor's name), only deeper). He should also start having extra things besides flying. I would say an arm cannon sorta like Sonic Battle. He could shoot one large blast (blast charges) and still be able to run.

He's supposed to be eight, having a high pitched voice is fine. Actually I think Joshua Seth would play a better Sonic than Tails. Tails needs a VA who has a childish voice fitting of a small boy but without the VA actually being a small boy. Because then we will end up with a new Tails VA almost every few years.

4. Stop with the random gimicks. Telekinesis should be for Bioshock, NOT SONIC. "Chaos Control" should only be in cutscenes. People with control over fire (I'm looking at you Blaze) should only use that ability for a speed benefit (maybe a fire exlosion giving a speed boost). No more riding robots. No more doors that you have to open before you continue. No more emerald shard mine sweeper. No more transformation besides Super Sonic (I'll give the one from Secret Rings an exception though) and the ones everyone had before. I wouldn't mind a Super Amy though.

But that's all Blaze uses her fire ability for. Even in Silver the Hedgehog (SONIC) she uses it like that. And Transformations are fine as long as they can make them intresting and now just random generic super forms.

5. Shadow is no longer important. We knew what he was at the end of SA2. He's no longer a mystery. If Shadow were to appear at any time, it would be to provide help ONLY when Sonic NEEDS it. Otherwise, Shadow should be a lazy selfish bastard who only wants to relax.

I do agree. Shadow has lost his purpose. He was obviously created by Sonic Team to be Sonic's opposite dark version and he hasn't been doing that at all, he's just there for nothing more than fan service.

6. Sonic needs to love Amy back. This "EW, AMY GERMS! I'm gonna get cooties" is getting really old. Amy needs to be a bit more mature, but at the same time so does Sonic. I'm not saying have them make out in front of me, but have them have a loving respect for each other. Amy can still be a happy little girl, but don't make her say "Marry me Sonic" every two seconds. A simple, "Sonic, you're the best!", and a hug will suffice. Sonic's reaction should be a simple chuckle, and a return to business type attitude. Not that hard.

NO, Sonic already clearly acknowledges her as a fighter and possibly a friend but he doesn't need her as a love interest. It was meant to be one sided and should stay that way. I mean Sonic doesn't even seem like the kind of characters who would stop settle down and make some kind of relationship like that. We don't need romance.

8. The villian of the entire game….NEEDS TO BE ROBOTNIK. That is what SA and SA2 did RIGHT. Robotnik is the greatest evil of all. No "evil God who has been sleeping" or whatever. Unless the shit hits the fan, Robotnik needs to be THE villian ALWAYS. I make an acception for Chaos and the "Ultimate Lifeform" because Robotnik didn't know about those.

We don't need Eggman to be villain all the time, making new interesting villains would probably be a good thing. most characters end up being Heroes or neutral which sucks. As long as Eggman doesn't end up being a pawn or losing control of whatever his plan was like he has been doing recently. I thought Erazor Jinn and Void were steps in the right direction.

! Johnny and Whisker from Sonic Rush Adventure were awesome too until they were just pawns.

10. Last, but most important. STOP. MAKING. CHARACTERS. WITH. THE. SAME. PERSONALITY! Silver reminds me too much of Shadow. Blaze reminds me too much of Rouge (even though I like them both). All the generic characters made as temporary villians (I'm looking at you Sonic Riders) need to stop being "Oh, I'm gonna PWN you! LOL!"

Silver doesn't at all have Shadows personality. Silver is all "SUPER RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE AT WHATEVER COST"/ Super naive, he's still an awful character either way though. And how is Blaze like rouge? Besides them being being female.

Maybe they should let Artoon work on a game or two. Naoto Oshima formed that right? And if Sonic Team produces it they should actually take their time to make them. Most of the games seem like they aren't even in production for that long. Or maybe just get more people to work on it…

Lazzie

@Sandai:

Not everybody's seen or heard of that you know.

! It ends with them shooting the dog in the head.

I think they just need to bring in new staff and stop introducing new bullshit characters. This BioWare game seems great, and Dimps might be better at making Sonic games than Sonic Team is, so why not mix it up a little bit? Find other willing and talented co-developers for medium-budget projects and let Sonic Team work in a supervisory or less-intensive role, because all of their console games of the past eight or nine years have sucked.

And jeez, the characters. I didn't mind Shadow, even if he was an "edgier" replacement for Metal Sonic. He was pretty fun to use in Adventure 2. I'll even let Blaze slide. But this is too much. It's one thing to introduce new characters into the series, but it's another story to introduce three or four new ones with each new game (95% of which are basically worthless crap). People want to play as Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails. Probably Shadow as well, nowadays. The more rainbow furries in the game, the more cluttered and BAD their presentation and the lesser impact they can have on a storyline. [/nonsense]

tonitonichopper

@Sandai:

4. How bout giving Sonic's Super Form an upgrade like SS2 and no I'm not joking.

I wish Lobster had posted this, then I could have said Shut Up.

6. How bout just writing Amy out she wasn't really that great of a character
Sonic Adventure definitely didn't help that.

In Sonic Adventure just like with Tails she decided that she would be more independent and get Sonic to start showing her respect. She of course lost this afterwards. I thought it was a good first steps and she showed good progress in Sonic Battle but that's pretty much it.

9. Didn't the Master Emerald play a part in some of the games?

Yes of course it did.

Tsukento

@Insider2000:

2. Eggman returns to his real name. Doctor Ivo Robotnik. That is his name. That should always be his name.

I lol'ed.

You do realize he was always Dr. Eggman, right? Sega of America just screwed around with everything by having him Dr. Robotnik and changing Earth into "Mobius."

@Insider2000:

6. Sonic needs to love Amy back. This "EW, AMY GERMS! I'm gonna get cooties" is getting really old. Amy needs to be a bit more mature, but at the same time so does Sonic. I'm not saying have them make out in front of me, but have them have a loving respect for each other. Amy can still be a happy little girl, but don't make her say "Marry me Sonic" every two seconds. A simple, "Sonic, you're the best!", and a hug will suffice. Sonic's reaction should be a simple chuckle, and a return to business type attitude. Not that hard.

What? No! For starters, Amy's basically a little girl with a crush on someone she considers cool and fell for without even knowing him. Not to mention, Sonic liking Amy would COMPLETELY be out of character.

Gtfo with this shipping BS from fanfics.

@Insider2000:

9. Don't let the Emeralds be part of the story. Seriously, in past games, you had to go through HELL to get them. Now, it seems like you can get an emerald out of your ass. In SA2, Tails had an Emerald, and Rouge stole the Emeralds like taking a piece of paper from a copying machine! This kinda killed the magic. But whatever.

I see you never played Sonic 3 & Knuckles, as the Chaos and Super Emeralds played a large part in the ending of the game.

RuNa

Amy is 12 and Sonic is 16 :S

Toshiya

2. Eggman returns to his real name. Doctor Ivo Robotnik. That is his name. That should always be his name.

Like Tsukento said names was changed to the US and now they changed it back and everyone bitching about that :/

3. Have everyone age a little. Namely Tails. Have his voice be a TINY bit deeper (I'm thinking a sort of Tai(Digimon)/Hige(Wolf's Reign) English voice (can't remember actor's name), only deeper). He should also start having extra things besides flying. I would say an arm cannon sorta like Sonic Battle. He could shoot one large blast (blast charges) and still be able to run.

Yes and No. Tails should get a bit of a voice change and no tails should just fly around and carry sonic where ever he needs to be.

6. Sonic needs to love Amy back. This "EW, AMY GERMS! I'm gonna get cooties" is getting really old. Amy needs to be a bit more mature, but at the same time so does Sonic. I'm not saying have them make out in front of me, but have them have a loving respect for each other. Amy can still be a happy little girl, but don't make her say "Marry me Sonic" every two seconds. A simple, "Sonic, you're the best!", and a hug will suffice. Sonic's reaction should be a simple chuckle, and a return to business type attitude. Not that hard.

She 12 and he like 17 now or some shit. and like Tsukento " Gtfo with this shipping BS from fanfics."

9. Don't let the Emeralds be part of the story. Seriously, in past games, you had to go through HELL to get them. Now, it seems like you can get an emerald out of your ass. In SA2, Tails had an Emerald, and Rouge stole the Emeralds like taking a piece of paper from a copying machine! This kinda killed the magic. But whatever.

Its been there since Game 1. No emeralds means no sonic game :/ Play the other games first. and we need the Super Chaos Emeralds now :D

10. Last, but most important. STOP. MAKING. CHARACTERS. WITH. THE. SAME. PERSONALITY! Silver reminds me too much of Shadow. Blaze reminds me too much of Rouge (even though I like them both).

Umm Yea Blaze and Rouge having the same persona :/ Ones a princess from another dimension that has a bland personality and one is a Spy/Treasure hunter who is a bitch at times.

Sandai Mera

@Lazzie:

! It ends with them shooting the dog in the head.

I'm not one of the people who hasn't heard of or doesn't know the ending to
Old Yeller.

@tonitonichopper:

I wish Lobster had posted this, then I could have said Shut Up.

Hey it's not as half baked as Were Sonic thinking about it now it kind of comes off as ironic pun.

@tonitonichopper:

Yes of course it did.

I already knew that but like Tsukento says it makes you wonder if Insider played
Sonic Adventure or Sonic Adventure 1 for that matter.

Toshiya

Sonic does have another Super Form after Super Sonic. It's Hyper Sonic and only came out in Sonic 3&Knuckles after beating the true ending.

Bring back a 3D Doomsday Level.

Jinbei

Yea that's true, Hyper Sonic is the one with all the after images when he move's.

MT-Headed

here's a way-

DON'T MAKE HIM A WEREWOLF!

and another-

GIVE THE FRANCHISE TO SAKURAI!(seriously, smash brothers made sonic better than sonic team could hope to dream)

PS: Never, EVER have a plot that involves beastiality!:sick:

Sandai Mera

Screw Sakurai he shunned Advance Wars in Brawl.

MT-Headed

wait, wasn't advanced wars an assist trophy?

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Sandai Mera

It's not the assist trophy I care about it's the ability to play as a particular Advance Wars character that I would've loved to see.

I think Sega's biggest mistake was "retconning" Sonic '06 yet bringing back Silver for seemingly no reason at all. I don't think it was even explained why he's in Sonic Rivals 1 & 2, Sonic Riders 2, and Sonic and the Secret Rings when he's not even supposed to have known or even met the characters. Some retcon.

Other than that, I don't really ask for much except for more Dimps-developed Sonic games (I've enjoyed the GBA and DS Sonics) and another Sonic Adventure (like the first one).

Personally I'd like to see a new Sonic Battle game, except you can "level up" the main characters, too (in the first game you could only power up Emerl).

Aceburner

@Yuara:

I think Sega's biggest mistake was "retconning" Sonic '06 yet bringing back Silver for seemingly no reason at all. I don't think it was even explained why he's in Sonic Rivals 1 & 2, Sonic Riders 2, and Sonic and the Secret Rings when he's not even supposed to have known or even met the characters. Some retcon.

They even planted him in the background of Brawl's Green Hill, despite the fact that he's somewhere in the top 3 most hated Sonic characters of all time. Last I checked, he was dueling with Chris Thorndyke for the top honors of that particular position.

MT-Headed

@Sandai:

It's not the assist trophy I care about it's the ability to play as a particular Advance Wars character that I would've loved to see.

Oh, I never played the game but we all have characters we would like to see playable, but that's a story for a different thread!

But I know I'm not the only one who's pissed about the "were-hog" concept!

Sandai Mera

@Aceburner:

They even planted him in the background of Brawl's Green Hill, despite the fact that he's somewhere in the top 3 most hated Sonic characters of all time. Last I checked, he was dueling with Chris Thorndyke for the top honors of that particular position.

Chris Thorn-dyke??? Who hell is that.

Aceburner

@Sandai:

Chris Thorn-dyke??? Who hell is that.

The annoying human main character from Sonic X who was pretty much in the way most of the time.

Sandai Mera

Props to whoever came up with an unflattering name like Thorndyke.

Gaiyae

I think Sonic should become more of a 2d/3d sidescrolling adventure. In the style of monsterworld games and popful mail. Where sonic actually comes trough towns, and buy stuff with rings there or something. And make it a bit more dramatic.. Let Sonic loose most of his speed/powers at the start of the game (a bit like rayman 2). And let him regain them later on + a few new ones. And of course some secret ones to. He should be able to regain some of his speed by buying speed boosters for his shoes, so he slowly regains his speed. Or just let this game start before sonic 1.. let it show us how sonic became so fast (by buying speed boosters for his shoes :P) . Maybe even letting him start of with only 10 rings, and let him get secret powerups that enlarge the amount of rings he can get (a bit like Zelda).

Aceburner

@Gaiyae:

And make it a bit more dramatic.. Let Sonic loose most of his speed/powers at the start of the game (a bit like rayman 2).

Sonic Aran.

16 Metroid crossovers.

Gaiyae

Metroid Prime wasn't the only game that did that. But it makes things a bit more interesting for a chance. And i like the idea of a free roaming 2d/3d sidescrolling world. Without some kind of overworld ofcourse. Dunno if you ever played monsterworld 3/4 (genesis) or even eternal daughter..? Then you should understand what i mean.

Toastboy

Creating a sequel for Sonic and the Secret Rings but removing going backwards and good controls / acceleration from the beginning, not after 3 hours playing. :)

Solar Knight

tonitonichopper

^ I would love to see Fang back too…

King_Ty

How would i save sonic?

Basically what everyone else said, besides the shitty Sonic love thing and the no future/past traveling like it did in Sonic CD

Add special stages like they were in Sonic 2/3 mix it up between levels
No more BOOSTPADS…why the hell does sonic need boost pads anyway?
2.5D Gameplay like sonic rush, maybe everyonce and a while 3d like in the special stages or in some multiplayer game
Make it a SONIC game only, except have the option for tails or knuckles to follow (another player can be on of them as co-op)
2 Zones, the last one at the end of the level with a boss
3D cutscenes

Tommy Swoes

How would I save the Sonic series?
By euthanizing it while it's suffering, on it's last leg, and shedding it's hair all across the house.

What I'd really do is relinquish the series from Sonic Team, give it to whoever made the Advance series good, and I'd say, "do what you did with Advance". Or someone else who'll make the series good again.

Toshiya

http://kotaku.com/377699/sonic-unleased-no…hit-sonic-games

the game's lead designer, Yoshihisa Hashimoto:

In our minds, this game will have more in common with the older Sonic Adventure series. It has no relation to Sonic the Hedgehog [the 360/PS3 game] or Sonic And The Secret Rings… We wanted Sonic fans to love Sonic even more. Also, for people who are not familiar with Sonic, we think that this will be a great way to introduce them to Sonic The Hedgehog.

So this game is more like Adventure 3 than just a random BS. It's not gonna play like the Sonic 2006 game and the Wii game of Sonic.

also from kotaku

During the daytime, the game is regular speed-based Sonic ramps and loops and rails. But! At night, Sonic's hairy alter ego (oh dear) comes out, and the game play changes to monkey-like swinging and obstacle manipulation.