Who do you think would win?
They move differently…Their principles are different...
They talk different....Their styles are different...
Now...compare them...Who would win....
I vote Zoro
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This was so hard, two of my favorite characters have to fight!? That's just annoying.
I voted Zoro, but i have to say, im not 100% sure of my choice… -
you really like vs topics. anyway, i vote zoro, even if i'm not sure about it, coz' the ultimate move of kenshin is really… ultimate
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Originally posted by AgamemnoN@Apr 29 2005, 08:13 PM
This was so hard, two of my favorite characters have to fight!? That's just annoying.
I voted Zoro, but i have to say, im not 100% sure of my choice…
[snapback]39384[/snapback]Um….I think it's a miracle that someone would vote for kenshin...
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Originally posted by PortgasDeAycee+Apr 29 2005, 07:16 AM–>QUOTE(PortgasDeAycee @ Apr 29 2005, 07:16 AM)
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Kenshin did lose…to Sato...
Zoro also lost...to Mihawk...
Still same...
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Originally posted by PortgasDeAycee@Apr 29 2005, 07:24 AM
Kenshin did lose…to Sato...
Zoro also lost...to Mihawk...
Still same...
But what I'm still not figuring out...What;s Zoro's ultimate move anyway?
[snapback]39391[/snapback]Sato? Don't remember him…
Does Zoro even have a ultimate move? But doesn't he mention something about his best move when he fights Mihawk?
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santoryu ogi. sanzien sekai thats his ultimate move and this has been discussed before see the link p'cing gave you
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kenshin hands down cause hes faster and hes got an a sure-win final technique,
the way i see it kenshin is closer to mihawk in skill than zoro is.
and AgamemnoN i think hes refering to Saito hajime….
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sigh ppl really need to use the search button
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Kenshin never lost to Saito, I don't think. I think by some insane twist of fate, every single encounter they ever had had been inconclusive.
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thats true every match they fought they came as a draw
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Which is crap, because Kenshin had the skill to kill him without much effort, if the fight in volume 7 is anything to go by.
And as long as I'm posting, I'll say that Zoro could beat Ken. He can't block the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki, but Zoro's gotten up from worse. Also, Zoro has the ability to cut his sword in half, and he cutting waves, which don't exist in RK.
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actualy there is a guy who uses cutting waves in kenshin,
raijuta was his name if im not mistaking and kenshin just cut his wave apart then proceded to kick his ass througly :P
and i dont really think zoros faced any attack which was even remotly similar to the destructive power of the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki and even IF he got up after being hit with it kenshin would still just have a severly weakend man to fight.
and lastly kenshins sword is the principal forge of the sakabtato made by the worlds greatest swords smith which makes it the greatest sword of its kind
dont think he can just cut it apart like any regular crappy sword.
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zoro can attack before kenshin does his attack and dont forget we still havent seen the power of sanzien sekia we have to wait and see plus if you have someone as strong as zoro who can cut waves then thats completely different then rijuta.
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no not really the principle of the "air" cut is still the same doesnt matter how strong you are the same thing should work perfectly well.
and zoros may be fast but in no way could he compete with the super godlike speed of the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki.
but you have a point thought we havent seen what zoros final attack can do…...
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 29 2005, 11:08 AM
**actualy there is a guy who uses cutting waves in kenshin,raijuta was his name if im not mistaking and kenshin just cut his wave apart then proceded to kick his ass througly :P
and i dont really think zoros faced any attack which was even remotly similar to the destructive power of the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki and even IF he got up after being hit with it kenshin would still just have a severly weakend man to fight.
and lastly kenshins sword is the principal forge of the sakabtato made by the worlds greatest swords smith which makes it the greatest sword of its kind
dont think he can just cut it apart like any regular crappy sword.
[snapback]39512[/snapback]**1. Raijuuta's cutting wave doesn't even begin to compare to the 36 Pound Cannon, let alone the 108 Pound Cannon.
2. Zoro's had a building fall on him, and has been sliced to bits numerous times. He also took a kick so destructive that it sent him flying thorugh a brick builing.
3. No matter how fine a sword is, in the end, it's still steel. If Zoro can deliver enough force into each clash, it'll crack like Krieg's armor.
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Who's kenshin???
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1.how can you tell ?
and as said before even if tis stronger you can still just cut it apart with relative little effort since its the same principle of the cut….2.as i see it none of those compare to the utter pysical damage that the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki deals to your body,
you may view it diffrently but thats were i stand.3.are you serious :blink: a world class sword doesnt just break,
even mihawk him self wasnt able to shatter zoros sword(you know the one he got from kuina) you wanna know why ? :P
cause its a darn well made sword which is able to withstand such things even from the greatest swords man in the world,
and kenshins is presumably better since it is the best sword of its kind and zoros is just a middle ranking sword. -
the quality of the sword isnt that important. i think zoros sword broke so he can buy new ones. thats the idea of it not that mihawk intended to break the swords
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 29 2005, 11:24 AM
**1.how can you tell ?
and as said before even if tis stronger you can still just cut it apart with relative little effort since its the same principle of the cut….2.as i see it none of those compare to the utter pysical damage that the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki deals to your body,
you may view it diffrently but thats were i stand.3.are you serious :blink: a world class sword doesnt just break,
even mihawk him self wasnt able to shatter zoros sword(you know the one he got from kuina) you wanna know why ? :P
cause its a darn well made sword which is able to withstand such things even from the greatest swords man in the world,
and kenshins is presumably better since it is the best sword of its kind and zoros is just a middle ranking sword.
[snapback]39532[/snapback]**1. It was strong enough to ionise the gas molecules around it, which is why it's seen. At least that's what I think. There was probably little thought put into it, but it did show much more power than Raijuuta's attack.
2. I view it differently simply because any of those are enough to kill a man. No one has ever died from the ARnH, and a few have even gotten up from it.
3. I think it was because he just din't hit that one. The Black Sword could have definitely broken the Wadou in a direct clash.
And you can't compare rankings, since they're ranked in entirely different worlds.
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1. really ?
the way i saw them they were on the same power level i mean rajuutas attack werent exactly weak since they split the ground apart and cut big oak trees in half,
the thing that made him lose was that it is a useless attack against someone like kenshin who knows how to stop it.2.well the ARnH is more than enough to kill a normal man just that his opponets were ridiculously strong and some did indeed manage to get up but in what condition were they ?
they were broken and would have been easy to kill if kenshin wanted.3.i just dont buy that he just ignored that sword i think its just a great sword that can withstand even an attack of that magnitude,
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I don't think his swords would break from encountering a dull blade. Especially not the cursed sword.
i just dont buy that he just ignored that sword i think its just a great sword that can withstand even an attack of that magnitude,
Truth is, it was just part of the story. It showed Mihawk's true power, but it didn't break Zoro. Oda couldn't have Zoro lose his greatest treasure.
the thing that made him lose was that it is a useless attack against someone like kenshin who knows how to stop it.
It was just Raijuuta's fault. that attack was more than enough to wound Ken (which it did). Raijuuta was just not as experienced, and made those huge swings, partly because he himself was so big.
And yeah, Raijuuta's attack was strong, but the 36 Pound Cannon plows through brick. So imagine the 108 and a style as unorthodox as Zoro's.
they were broken and would have been easy to kill if kenshin wanted.
If Shishio had more time, he could've beaten Kenshin. He got up from it, and fought as hard as ever.
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I still want to know who is kenshin…..
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kenshin is a guy from another anime. the anime is called ruroni kenshin look it up
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swords break…
it is thought that when miyamoto musashi fought the yoshioka school, he hid a couple swords on the battlefield in advance.
ooshi78
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Originally posted by Cataclism@Apr 29 2005, 11:54 AM
I still want to know who is kenshin…..
[snapback]39567[/snapback]Kenshin is a character from a very popular anime and manga, If you wanna know more go here: Rurouni Kenshin
In a fight Kenshin would definitely win, cause he's better skilled than Zoro. :lol:
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yes swords break thats a truth but a worlds class sword isnt something you can just cut apart like that,
and in the zoro vs kenshin it would all come down to the quality of the sword and i really think you can compare them since the diffrence is so huge i mean kenshins is among the greatest in his universe while zoro has two kinda crappy swords and one semi good sword even thought they are diffrent "universes" i think the diffrence is obvious…..and still doesnt matter how strong the air cut is since you can just cut it in two like kenshin did and then its useless,
and shishio did indeed get up but he was hurt badly and it showed and he didnt really do any real fighting after that and it was said that hed lost most of his strenght due to that attack so it kinda shows just how powerful that attack is.
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 29 2005, 12:16 PM
yes swords break thats a truth but a worlds class sword isnt something you can just cut apart like that,
and in the zoro vs kenshin it would all come down to the quality of the sword and i really think you can compare them since the diffrence is so hugeHow do you know the difference is huge? Was the saka batou ever buried in rubble or anything? After all he's gone through, Zoro's swords are still are sharp as ever. That says a lot.
i mean kenshins is among the greatest in his universe while zoro has two kinda crappy swords and one semi good sword even thought they are diffrent "universes" i think the diffrence is obvious…..
You can't just dismiss the Kitetsu and Yubashiri. They actually have pulses. And how could Kenshin's sword rank in the universe when he never even left Japan?
and still doesnt matter how strong the air cut is since you can just cut it in two like kenshin did and then its useless,
It's been a while, so I don't exactly remember him cutting the wave. But strength obviously makes a difference. Tearing a piece of paper in half doesn't mean you can do the same to a phonebook.
and shishio did indeed get up but he was hurt badly and it showed and he didnt really do any real fighting after that and it was said that hed lost most of his strenght due to that attack so it kinda shows just how powerful that attack is.
[snapback]39588[/snapback]Lost most of his strength? He pushed Ken to his limits and kept him there. If he lost as much strength as you say, it wouldn't have come down to his time limit.
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well in this case the strenght of the attack isnt worth shit since kenshin just held up his sword in front of him when an air cut was sent against him and it split in half leaving kenshin unharmed,
and i meant universe as in the world that the kenshin lives in :lol:
and if it is considered one of the best in japan it is considered world class and having in mind that that japanse were very proficent in swordmaking i would say that it could easily classifie as one of the greatest in kenshins world,
and you cant argue about that zoros swords arent that high up in the ranking of onepiece swords they are above avarage but still cant compete with the better swords and defintly cant compete with the top level swords,
pulse or no pulse they are not that great swords and thats why they have a low ranking
and the comment about shishios strength was said by saito or kenshin right after he managed to stab kenshin thru Yumi and before that after the ARnH kenshin had him cornered if hadnt been such a jackass and listned to Yumi he would have ended shishios life…..
EDIT oh and i forgot i think he probably sharpens the swords along the way to keep them in top condition
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and if it is considered one of the best in japan it is considered world class and having in mind that that japanse were very proficent in swordmaking i would say that it could easily classifie as one of the greatest in kenshins world,
Eh, I myself think Japanese swords are flimsy. They look nice, but I'd take a European one instead.
pulse or no pulse they are not that great swords and thats why they have a low ranking
That's where skill comes in. If I had the greatest sword in our world, that wouldn't make me the best swordsman.
oh and i forgot i think he probably sharpens the swords along the way to keep them in top condition
Yeah, but this guy's constantly slicing through buildings, people, and even other blades. For them to be in top condition must be pretty hard.
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mihawk would take them both at the same time.
ooshi78
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haha :lol: thats your opinion but you cant deny that japanse swords are among the worlds greatest.
and yep skill is a factor im just saying that zoros swords seem to be of a poorer quality than kenshins and are there for more likely to break if they fight.
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Maybe. That's probably the only way to beat Zoro; he's not one to get knocked out.
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Why is it that you're comparing who's sword is stronger instead of who possess better skill. I think that's what really defines a true swordsman. <_<
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I agreed with Starlight, there is no doubt kenshin is the better swordsman, why, because kenshin is faster, more skillful and talented.
If you watched the OVA, you would be in awe at the sword skills that kenshin possesed even at that age, and in the series where he's stop killing, he's still able to stand against guys who kill on a daily basis.
Even watching the classic fight with Shishio and Satou will confirm that Kenshin is indeed the better swordsman, even with a reversed edge sword, his Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki is able to inflict that much damage.
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Originally posted by Spawnraven@Apr 29 2005, 01:18 PM
**I agreed with Starlight, there is no doubt kenshin is the better swordsman, why, because kenshin is faster, more skillful and talented.If you watched the OVA, you would be in awe at the sword skills that kenshin possesed even at the age, and in the series where he's stop killing, he's still able to stand against guys who kill on a daily basis.
Even watching the classic fight with Shishio and Satou will confirm that Kenshin is indeed the better swordsman, even with a reversed edge sword, his Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki is able to inflict that much damage.
[snapback]39628[/snapback]**So true, glad someone sees my point. :lol:
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Originally posted by Spawnraven@Apr 29 2005, 01:18 PM
I agreed with Starlight, there is no doubt kenshin is the better swordsman, why, because kenshin is faster, more skillful and talented.
[snapback]39628[/snapback]Zoro's strength tends to downplay his skill. It's just that his style is unorthodox, so it doesn't look as impressive as it probably should. His speed level may not match Kenshin's, but it's enough to trap him with surefire techniques, like the Oni Giri.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Apr 29 2005, 01:27 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Apr 29 2005, 01:27 PM)
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Yes, that's what I've been saying all along. Zoro pumps out so many techniques during a fight it's crazy.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Apr 29 2005, 01:34 PM
Yes, that's what I've been saying all along. Zoro pumps out so many techniques during a fight it's crazy.
[snapback]39632[/snapback]Did you actually sit through the whole OVA, if you did you'll see that there's no way Zoro can ever surpass Kenshin. His speed is simply outstanding. <_<
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I've seen all four OVA episodes, 60 of the anime episodes, and read all of the manga. I still don't see Kenshin beating Zoro.
And just because he doesn't zip behind his enemies doesn't mean Zoro's slow.
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You don't become a great swordmans because you have more skills, and you don't become one if your skill is more impressive.
For Kenshin to be the swordsman that he is, it must have taken great talent and discipline, and that shows went he's in any battle.
I don't mean that Zoro is a bad swordsman, but he just doesn't match up to Kenshin.
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Originally posted by Spawnraven@Apr 29 2005, 01:41 PM
**You don't become a great swordmans because you have more skills, and you don't become one if your skill is more impressive.For Kenshin to be the swordsman that he is, it must have taken great talent and discipline, and that shows went he's in any battle.
I don't mean that Zoro is a bad swordsman, but he just doesn't match up to Kenshin.
[snapback]39636[/snapback]**Exactly. :lol:
All right let's not bash the character's anymore. Let's just stick to our own views. :lol:
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We're not bashing the characters at all. If I said "Kenshin sucks," I'd be bashing. If I said "Kenshin isn't as tough as Zoro," it'd just be an observation.
Originally posted by Spawnraven@Apr 29 2005, 01:41 PM
**You don't become a great swordmans because you have more skills, and you don't become one if your skill is more impressive.For Kenshin to be the swordsman that he is, it must have taken great talent and discipline, and that shows went he's in any battle.
I don't mean that Zoro is a bad swordsman, but he just doesn't match up to Kenshin.
[snapback]39636[/snapback]**When I say talent, I mean skill, and vice versa. Techniques and attacks are what you probably think I mean.
Unless you have the talent, you aren't going to beat anyone. Mihawk didn't use any techniques, he was all talent, which is why Zoro didn't stand a chance. He's trained a lot since then and refined his swordsmanship, so I don't think Kenshin can reach his level. He's even gotten a bit rusty over the ten year period.
Attacks simply help. If Ken can't block the Karasuma Gari, he'sscrewed.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Apr 29 2005, 01:46 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Apr 29 2005, 01:46 PM)We're not bashing the characters at all. If I said "Kenshin sucks," I'd be bashing. If I said "Kenshin isn't as tough as Zoro," it'd just be an observation.
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And what I've been saying is that he doesn't. Ken looks impressive mostly because of his speed. Other than that, his rhythm and strikes are completely ordinary. He was able to counter Saito not only because they'd fought before, but because his style was so textbook. Zoro has surefire attacks that come in at awkward angles.
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Originally posted by Starlight+Apr 29 2005, 09:49 PM–>QUOTE(Starlight @ Apr 29 2005, 09:49 PM) _> Originally posted by Buccaneer@Apr 29 2005, 01:46 PM
**We're not bashing the characters at all. If I said "Kenshin sucks," I'd be bashing. If I said "Kenshin isn't as tough as Zoro," it'd just be an observation.
**You don't become a great swordmans because you have more skills, and you don't become one if your skill is more impressive.
For Kenshin to be the swordsman that he is, it must have taken great talent and discipline, and that shows went he's in any battle.
I don't mean that Zoro is a bad swordsman, but he just doesn't match up to Kenshin.
[snapback]39636[/snapback]**When I say talent, I mean skill, and vice versa. Techniques and attacks are what you probably think I mean.
Unless you have the talent, you aren't going to beat anyone. Mihawk didn't use any techniques, he was all talent, which is why Zoro didn't stand a chance. He's trained a lot since then and refined his swordsmanship, so I don't think Kenshin can reach his level. He's even gotten a bit rusty over the ten year period.
[snapback]39639[/snapback]**Exactly what's i've been trying to stress to you, Kenshin has much more talent that Zoro will ever have. :rolleyes: Talent always wins over anything.
[snapback]39641[/snapback]WHAT zoro has more talent and will gain more talent then kenshin will ever get._
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Rusty, i don't think so, if he were, how the hell does he stand up to every bad guy that he's come face to face with.
When i say that kenshin is talented, it doesn't just mean that he has more powerful skills or better speed. If talent was just that, ever other guy would be claiming to be the best swordsman.
No, talent also involves perception, the ability to read the mind and moves of your enemy, and the power to choose the right skill to counter.
And kenshin has proven that he has everything of the above. You never see anything like this with zoro.