@MB1456:
Have you watched the "worst 4kids dub moments"? Some guy named SasukelionsbarrageXO (He's a big dub fan) flamed "Tsukento" who made the videos saying "That he was defaming the American One Piece" and spouting crap… Here's the vid:
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I admired that guy liked dubs, but he told "Tsukento" to die and stuff. Plus he called people who liked the sub "Anime freaks" just because we like subs.
When I mean "dubbie" problems I mean people like this guy. If 4kids didn't exist/didn't have their hands on One piece/ or became better…there wouldn't be that much hate right for them would there be?
@Philosophy:
Hahaha, that video is pretty funny. Still, I don't think I'd label this a "dubbie problem" so much as an "elitist problem." Anyone with that kind of attitude about anything is just shortsighted. Sub elitists of that extreme bug me to the same extent (though more often since there's a lot more of them).
So yeah, I believe that there is a place in this world even for 4kid's One Piece. However, I also agree with Tsukento in the above video that 4kid's OP really is a crappy dub among crappy dubs. These days I don't consider minor alterations to the video or dialogue my main problems with the show (although at times they are boggling). Rather, it's the moments that make no sense, have no consistency, or otherwise hint that 4kids just slapped it together (like the geography errors). That's just sloppy, no matter what "version" you're talking about. But I do realize that I'm probably x10 more aware of these things than I would be if the english version had been my first introduction to the series.
In conclusion, 4kids isn't evil. They just suck sometimes.
I totally forgot I had an account here. Thanks for the comments guys. Like Philosophy said, I wouldn't say it's a "dubbie problem" moreso than just some random wanker not knowing what he's talking about. :p To be fair, this is no different from the people who've been elitist over VHS fansubs way back in the days. It's only just recently where dub elitists have also begun popping up since anime's now much more accessable, in contrast to years ago where you HAD to hope someone would license a show and put it on TV in some form of horribly edited format (coughdragonballzcough) or buy VHS tapes. Sometimes you had to resort to tapes that were copies of copies with horribly translated fansubs.
I've had a good number of people who've commented in my "Worst 4Kids Dub Moments of One Piece" videos saying that all anime suck in English and that they're all bound to horrible edits and what not. Granted, I hate just about every anime 4Kids grabs and dubs (with the exception of the early Pokémon dub since that was gold and Sonic X since the original sucked enough already :P), but I don't believe every anime is doomed to go the way of One Piece. Hell, I think we've had VERY FEW anime dubbed in One Piece's caliber. I'd say second worst US dub goes to Cardcaptors. And that was YEARS ago. Even then, they did away with that dub and redid the series as Cardcaptor Sakura; its original format.
@Buuhan1:
That you supported them? XD But I'm no better. I bought 3 of their 4kids One Piece toys.
Actually, 4Kids didn't get the money. Lookit the tag. It's a used DVD from GameStop/EB Games. They got the profit. Not 4Kids or Viz. :P