Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows

cbajd5

Ok in this book, which I finished yesterday Tom was a basically a dumb fuck.

and the ONLY other thing I didn't like baout the book was that there wasn't a cool mano y mano battle between the riddle and potter. :/ I mean there was KINDA but not really.

oh yeah and Love for george. R.I.P.

! George didn't die Fred did. George Lost the Ear. You have troble telling characters in a book apart. HA.

Also I stayed up most of last night reading the book, and finished it. NOW I CAN USE IT AS A PAPER WEIGHT!

Tsuuga

@Taleran:

indeed

! I just stole this ring from the ruins of the hose of some of the most evil wizards ever, LETS PUT IT ON!

! He thought he could use the Resurrection stone to bring back his sister.

:getlost:

cbajd5

@Tsuuga:

! He thought he could use the Resurrection stone to bring back his sister.

:getlost:

! The point is he thought it would be safe to put on, with NO HURTING HIM AT ALL. Especially if was from the house of You-Know-Who. (HAHA FUN)

Kaze

@cbajd5:

! George didn't die Fred did. George Lost the Ear. You have troble telling characters in a book apart. HA.

Also I stayed up most of last night reading the book, and finished it. NOW I CAN USE IT AS A PAPER WEIGHT!

fuck you there twins I just got them mixed up. <3

cbajd5

@Kaze:

fuck you there twins I just got them mixed up. <3

Also, you should really spoiler that.

And you mean "they're" not "there."

And The book really did need Aliens fighting the Ninjas and the Wizards and the Pirates and the Lumberjacks. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

Archibald Desmond Deus

Rowling just needed to stick more to her strong suits. Making up interesting names that roll off the tongue and creating worlds and creatures that prickle the imagination is what she's good at. Complex character interaction, romance, deep psychological perspective, and tying together an enormous plot that spans several books are not.

Tsuuga

@cbajd5:

! The point is he thought it would be safe to put on, with NO HURTING HIM AT ALL. Especially if was from the house of You-Know-Who. (HAHA FUN)

! Actually, the point is that he was so overcome by his renewed emotions of guilt and obsession to see his sister again that he slipped up. Yeah, I think it's stupid, too, but it's still somewhat of a justification.

Aethos

@cbajd5:

! The point is he thought it would be safe to put on, with NO HURTING HIM AT ALL. Especially if was from the house of You-Know-Who. (HAHA FUN)

! You mean like how Harry put on the locket like it was nothing?

dinty

@Archibald:

Rowling just needed to stick more to her strong suits. Making up interesting names that roll off the tongue and creating worlds and creatures that prickle the imagination is what she's good at..

I agree.

I kept thinking : if only she'd written 7 "Choose Your Own Adventure" books instead …

Generic_Soda

@Cap'n:

I kind of loved how she threw in that epilogue, so she could fuck with everyone's potential fanfics and stupid pairings.

Stories likethis that kill seven years worth of said fanfics and pairings are worth shelling out the $20 for it.

Anyways, the whole Harry playing dead bit made me kind of confused. Why would Voldemort trust somebody like a Malfoy, who had fallen from his favor? He's a little short on brains for such a potent wizard…

Roz

@Generic_Soda:

Anyways, the whole Harry playing dead bit made me kind of confused. Why would Voldemort trust somebody like a Malfoy, who had fallen from his favor? He's a little short on brains for such a potent wizard…

He's a damn snappy dresser though. More than most characters in the series (Except Dumbledore and possibly a few others) have going for them.

Ubiq

After reading the last book, I can't help but think that Voldemort could have saved himself a lot of trouble by simply making one or more of his Horcruxes into a Portkey.

Sure, you can find it and try to destroy it, but good luck with that when picking it either sends you straight to Voldemort or dumps you off in an incinerator somewhere.

King Kobra

I was surprised that Snape couldn't even take on Nagini or fight in pair with Voldermort, considering that he even created his own spells and learned some tricks from Voldermort himself. Actually, Snape was too smart, even more than Dumbledore, to die in such pitiful way. The only thing that ruined him was the compulsive obession with Lily and James. It's not like he couldn't have had a clear mind when he could have actually fought to avenge the death of his "best friend".

Anyways, Harry defeating Voldermort was too cliche, at least Voldermort could have been smart enough to see trough the "wand rules" if he had already tortured Ollivander for information. <_<

Malintex_Terek

@Cap'n:

Um…. then everything would've ended in like a single book.

Isn't that basically what happened anyway?

Cap'n Carter

Not really, no.

same as it ever was

Mr. All Sunday

The series as a whole would've been more entertaining as a trilogy, so readers wouldn't have to wade through so much magic school time faggery.

Archibald Desmond Deus

@Mr.:

The series as a whole would've been more entertaining as a trilogy, so readers wouldn't have to wade through so much magic school time faggery.

Take away the magic, schooltime faggery though and there's nothing left that's enjoyable in the books. I really have no desire to learn about Dumbledore's lost family or Harry's cousin's mother's brother's having the same eyes as his father's sister's uncle. Voldemort in general ruined much of what made the books good. It's not so much that it made it darker is that it made the plot stupid and convoluted.

That and randomly killing people off didn't appeal to me. Is she trying to make the point that 'In war, people will die at almost anytime'? Well no shit, and a magical, supercalifagilistic, British world isn't really the place to make those points.

Cap'n Carter

I think it's half and half. The books wouldn't be the same without the school time stories (and they definitely wouldn'tve had the same appeal they have now), but one thing that Rowling managed to do, despite being a mediocre writer, was make a very interesting "universe" in her stories. So I was always interested in that despite hating the franchise for the past 5 years.

The only thing offhand I can think of to compare it to is J.R.R. Tolkien, but she's not even close to him on that field.

Mr. All Sunday

The school thing isn't really what I had a problem with, it was more of the teen soap opera aura that whole series exuded that I didn't like. I really can't think of any way to fix it without completely changing the entire context of the books. They have so many fun and weird ideas in them, but it just didn't feel…whole or something with so much drama thrown into the mix.

Aethos

Heh check this out

http://martinaquino.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/teenage-girl-kills-herself-over-fake-spoilers-of-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows/

Taleran

@Aethos:

Heh check this out

http://martinaquino.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/teenage-girl-kills-herself-over-fake-spoilers-of-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows/

I'm laughing crying and facepalming all at the same time

dlo62282

I guess we are not using spoiler tags anymore? Ah well

I was dissapointed with Snape's death too. Alot of stuff she rushed through, and that was one of them. Snape knew spells that Dumbledore didnt even know and he died like that? He also knew exactly what was coming, that was why he was trying to leave. He defended himself, by taking his wand out but the snake bit him instead of Voldermont cursing him.

And how did he know harry was even in the room? He took out his memories and gave it 2 him, that whole scene was rushed to me. I have some negative comments about the book but for the most part I enjoyed reading it.

Some parts were predictable or should of been fleshed out more. As soon as Harry was named the Godfather of Lupin and Tonk's baby. I knew they both were going to die. Harry was going to be the Sirius to there baby "harry".

Aethos

@Taleran:

I'm laughing crying and facepalming all at the same time

I don't know. I mean I feel kinda bad that the girl didn't get to read the real version and see how it really ended… that's just sad. :sad:

Archibald Desmond Deus

@Mr.:

The school thing isn't really what I had a problem with, it was more of the teen soap opera aura that whole series exuded that I didn't like. I really can't think of any way to fix it without completely changing the entire context of the books. They have so many fun and weird ideas in them, but it just didn't feel…whole or something with so much drama thrown into the mix.

I didn't get that aura until the fifth or sixth book but I know what you mean and agree. This can probably be attributed to her favorite author being Jane Austen, whose ideas of romance include being petty, lying, and tricking your mate into submission.

Roz

MSNBC exclusive: Rowling explains crappy epilogue, covers ass.

Yoska

Argh, I think I will skip the waiting part and instead I will read this in English. I just need to figure out whether I should read the Half Blood Prince in English too. I'm not too big fan of fantasy genre but otherwise I never had any issues with these books.

sgamer82

Personally, I liked Deathly Hallows. Maybe it's not the uber-pwnage or anything, but it was overall, in my honest opinion, a good story. Somethings I saw coming (the Ravenclaw Diadem's location) some things I didn't (Gringotts assault).

! I will agree that the Harry VS Voldemort battle was anticlimactic, but I still liked the dialogue between Harry and Voldemort before the Big Moment, particularly Harry calling him by his real name. The way things had been set-up, the battle couldn't have been drawn out, I think. Not with the whole "Harry is master of the Elder Wand" thing Rowling got going.
! As for Dumbledore foolishly putting on the ring, to be fair the fact it was a dumb thing to do WAS pointed out. Both by Snape and I think Dumbledore himself. It's hard for me to blame him either. The ring was the thing Dumbledore had spent a large portion of his life seeking. He saw it and lost his head for a moment.

I can't help but feel people in general are being a bit too hard on the book. Was it perfect? Hardly. No more than anything else is. For me, though, it was everything I wanted. A good story and a conclusion to all that had happened so far. The epilogue was a bit corny/weak, IMO, but shrug what're'ya gonna do?

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Aethos

@sgamer82:

Personally, I liked Deathly Hallows. Maybe it's not the uber-pwnage or anything, but it was overall, in my honest opinion, a good story. Somethings I saw coming (the Ravenclaw Diadem's location) some things I didn't (Gringotts assault).

! I will agree that the Harry VS Voldemort battle was anticlimactic, but I still liked the dialogue between Harry and Voldemort before the Big Moment, particularly Harry calling him by his real name. The way things had been set-up, the battle couldn't have been drawn out, I think. Not with the whole "Harry is master of the Elder Wand" thing Rowling got going.
! As for Dumbledore foolishly putting on the ring, to be fair the fact it was a dumb thing to do WAS pointed out. Both by Snape and I think Dumbledore himself. It's hard for me to blame him either. The ring was the thing Dumbledore had spent a large portion of his life seeking. He saw it and lost his head for a moment.

I can't help but feel people in general are being a bit too hard on the book. Was it perfect? Hardly. No more than anything else is. For me, though, it was everything I wanted. A good story and a conclusion to all that had happened so far. The epilogue was a bit corny/weak, IMO, but shrug what're'ya gonna do?

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I don't see how it was anti climatic. It just showed how Voldemort's arrogance and belief that he could live forever brought about his downfall. Voldemort wasn't at all stupid. Just over confident and over looked many things because he believed it wouldn't affect him killing Harry Potter.

Breakfast Sampler

Did the ending remind anyone else of the anime ending of Digimon Adventure 02? I got that kinda vibe from reading it…..

WanMQ

I sincerely enjoyed the book (though the fourth remains my favorite).

I'll agree that it did feel a little rushed, but that didn't detract at all from it. I thought there were some great, if not corny, character moments (see Mrs. Weasely).

! I cannot believe that I honestly feel sorry for Snape. I realize that he did some despicable things, but in the end he was, for me, the most heroic character. He's so human, and it was just a delightful experience to read that chapter about his past. He's my new favorite character.
! Regarding the final battle, it didn't really upset me at all. I wasn't expecting a really epic struggle between Harry and Voldemort, I figured it'd be kinda short. Still, the battle of Hogwarts was pretty kick-ass. When Sprout listed all of those plants and said, "Let's see the Death Eaters deal with that!," I had to take a moment to let the awesome sink in.
! Also, my favorite Death Eater, Bellatrix, had a most appropriate death.

King Kobra

@Roz:

MSNBC exclusive: Rowling explains crappy epilogue, covers ass.

I think she's actually going to release a book about the whole wizarding world. @-@

Anyways, I felt kinda dissapointed…I expected Luna to be the Ministry of Magic...

King Kobra

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Archibald Desmond Deus

I don't really get why Snape was despicable in the first place. Sure he was hard on Harry, but everyone's had teachers who are hardasses or dislike specific students before. Snape actually tried to give Harry some sound advice during Book 5 about keeping his emotions from controlling him. Could he have gone about it better? Yeah, but Harry could have been less of a little asshole and thrown fewer tantrums during that whole escapade too. If he had taken Snape's advice and actually tried to learn this amazing new skill Sirius might not have been offed by a curtain.

Roz

This is an excellent point. Some of my greatest teachers have been total hardass sons of bitches. They're hard to deal with, but damn if it's not usually worthwhile.

King Kobra

I once had a teacher like Umbridge, she was all sweety bitcheful untill we showed her the true and somehow turned her into a decent member of our society. Her pies are the best.

But the point is, I'm dissapointed that Umbridge didn't change at all. I mean, it's not like she was truly "evil" to side with Voldermort. She was more like the Malfoys, just an old hag with issues that needed some sense knocked into her head.

Tizoc

Perhaps my fav. part of Book 7 is when Neville pulled out Godric's Sword from the Hat and started slashing and shit.
Seriously he's the only character in the whole series to seem to have had ANY character development.

Samstrike

Snape or Dumbledore?

Tizoc

^Snape; character development? Doubt it, the whole 'he loved/liked Lilly' killed whatever character development he might have had.

Aethos

Dumbledore had the greatest development in book 7. I mean who seriously would have thought before then that he was ALMOST as bad as voldemort? I mean Book 7 proved alone that Dumbledore isn't the epitome of good everyone thought he was. Even the actual readers themselves.

As for Umbridge. I sort of wish Rowling would have killed her off.

Mr. Death

I'm still upset that Hedwig died.

Anime Master

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Harry_Potter

These guys ruin Harry Potter repeatedly. Some are chased by "Potheads" Funny

Taleran

SO MUCH WIN

Anime Master

…I just posted that. ^_^ But I love how the guy gets chased at the end.

This is the best one. Good quality, an actual fight, and security guards.

King Kobra

@Anime:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Harry_Potter

These guys ruin Harry Potter repeatedly. Some are chased by "Potheads" Funny

I bet they screwed up many hardcore fans that were about to go to buy the book with their "Spoiler Mobiles". :P

Aethos

I know some people are insane when it comes to the fandoms they're in but what's the point going around and spoiling people about it? It's not really funny at all to be honest. I know Anon does it for the lulz but you have to admit that they can come off as complete assholes even to people who aren't utterly obsessed.

I know Anon did it for a laugh and everything but sometimes you have to admit they really do go too far.

Cap'n Carter

@Aethos:

Dumbledore had the greatest development in book 7. I mean who seriously would have thought before then that he was ALMOST as bad as voldemort? I mean Book 7 proved alone that Dumbledore isn't the epitome of good everyone thought he was. Even the actual readers themselves.

As for Umbridge. I sort of wish Rowling would have killed her off.

Honestly? From everything I've read on the subject, I don't get why everyone says that he was so "evil." From what I can tell, he was just childhood friends with someone who would grow up to be a dark wizard, and once shared somewhat similar thoughts as him, he accidentally killed his sister, and that in a (out of character) moment of weakness, he attempted to use a cursed ring to bring back some of his loved ones. If anything, it was just trying to establish him as more of a human character with very human flaws.

…why am I still talking about Harry Potter.

King Kobra

@Aethos:

I know some people are insane when it comes to the fandoms they're in but what's the point going around and spoiling people about it? It's not really funny at all to be honest. I know Anon does it for the lulz but you have to admit that they can come off as complete assholes even to people who aren't utterly obsessed.

I know Anon did it for a laugh and everything but sometimes you have to admit they really do go too far.

Yeah. It's just sad if they think that makes them any better than the ones who almost killed themselves over the "vague" epilogue, wich Rowling already stated. Anyways, they could be using their time for something more productive, and I think the same of people who make "hating" sites for the sake of showing how badass they can be in the net.

PS: Dumbledore's feelings towards his sister were very human, but yeah, besides head damage, I don't see why the "Mature" Dumbledore would have felt for such mediocre impulse when he knew Harry and Co. needed of his guidance, even tough I always hated how everyone seemed to rely on Dumbledore.

Aethos

@Cap'n:

Honestly? From everything I've read on the subject, I don't get why everyone says that he was so "evil." From what I can tell, he was just childhood friends with someone who would grow up to be a dark wizard, and once shared somewhat similar thoughts as him, he accidentally killed his sister, and that in a (out of character) moment of weakness, he attempted to use a cursed ring to bring back some of his loved ones. If anything, it was just trying to establish him as more of a human character with very human flaws.

…why am I still talking about Harry Potter.

Well I just mean this sets dumbledore apart from someone like Gandalf who could do no wrong.

Cap'n Carter

There's a big difference between those two though. Gandalf was a divine being sent to help keep order in the world (thought I can't blame anyone for not knowing that, it was mostly hinted at in the LotR books, and the movie barely touched on it at all), while Dumbledore was just a man.

That, and Gandalf did make several mistakes. He was unable to realize Saruman's treachery, and nearly payed for it as a result.

Mr. All Sunday

Yeah, Gandalf and Dumbledore really don't have much in common, except for being old men and using magic. Which really isn't very close, considering Gandalf was a freaking demigod.

Dumbledore's past was probably the thing I enjoyed most in the book actually. :/