I wonder if Pipboy considers Sanji's new ability to fly as canon.
Chapter 462 "Odz' Adventure" Discussion
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^ Of course
its Pipboy
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I wonder if Pipboy considers Sanji's new ability to fly as canon.
No, because nothing was demonstrated. Character assertations, especially hyperbolic or metaphoric ones from a known unreliable source are not proof of anything. Canon is determined by the presense of actual proof not the possibilty.
That sequence is at best, a forshadowing of sanji learning Geppou, a point made more unlikely by his bridge failure a mere chapter ago. However given that such things are best saved for fight suprises, by shonen logic, I would say that there is a 30% chance that he can "fly", on a purely speculative basis.
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I wonder if Pipboy considers Sanji's new ability to fly as canon.
No, but his new flaming body ability is.
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@IT'S:
No, but his new flaming body ability is.
My Lord, lets assume that I take everything literally….. Why on earth is it so hard to differentiate rational assumption, applied logic and obvious comedic effect. I take that about as seriously as I take the "his heart burns so much hotter" comment. IE as a amusing and possible justification for his DEMONSTRATED fire based powers but no more.
Just because I think aldrich is a dick (something I am myself) and I spend free time debating (something that requires you to be technical) doesn't make me a hard nosed literalist.
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hm, is the scan out yet?
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Yes, check out blood shock, its been out since last night.
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Sanji can fly because his left eye is a Wing.
Does anyone else think that Brooke will eventually die in this Chapter and when the SH go to bury him his DF brings him back to life again and he joins them?
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actually the 1st answer would be the correct one
taking someone elses cleaned translation and using it for yours wouldn't be good.
If I remember right Jojohot didn't have the watermarks once. I'm guessing they probably saw one of their cleaned raws used for another languages translation on one of those pay sites.
The reason some people don't like the way they do things is because they don't release the originals before they clean and translate them. You can probably understand how since they take the originals from shonen jump themselves without asking and are sometimes the first raw available a lot of people dislike the way they expect no one to use their versions for scanlations (Just for the record I'm not one of those people, I don't have an opinion on this).
Another bonus that comes from not using their cleaned version is that the cleaning process often ends up losing a lot of the detail and shading in the original.
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A couple of nami related questions to the group:
-Is nami married now? If they were already on the final kiss then the priest must have already blessed them as "(lion)man and wife."
-Who do you feel more sorry for if she is married: absalom or sanji? Sanji will be sad because he lost the love of his life (one of them anyways) and arrived too late. Absalom is stuck being marreid to nami… isn't that bad enough?
-Is nami's unconsciousness because she has had her shadow stolen? If so, what manner of zombie do you think might show up wielding the climatact and stealing stuff?
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Holy crap, a Nami zombie coming and stealing everyone's stuff would be made of absolute win.
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does anyone else think next few chapters will be about brook's past?? Since brook is a potential strawhat (I'm pretty sure he'll become a mugiwara pirate) and every one of them has had his own past story chapters
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No we have already seen part of Brooks past together with Laboon. More of Labbons past would have to wait untill Luffy and the rest of the strawhats can hear it. Any other past such as with the squad he developed the arrow notch strike will probably be revealed at a later date when they are relevant.
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Well, it's kinda funny that he's talking to a person and doesn't know if he's actually listening, conscious, alive, and so on, because Brooke hasn't a face. But this could be an advantage in later battles: The enemy can never be sure if Brooke's beaten or not. Brooke can play "Dead Man" [no joke included] when he's in danger and surprise the enemy with a stab in the back.
This is an excellent point! It never occurred to me that Brook could "play dead" to his advantage – you're right, he'd be a natural for that strategy, though his personality is more of the "stand up and fight" type. It's too bad Usopp wasn't a skeleton instead, since he holds the current record for "playing dead" during battle. ;)
But it's sad to see that Zoro didn't care about Brooke in the first line, it looks like he just wants the sword XD
Nah, not true – Zoro cares about Brook (remember, Zoro was the first person off the boat to go rescue Brook after hearing Franky's sad story ... And that was before Zoro knew about Ryuma's sword too). Zoro just gets a bit preoccupied in the presence of high-grade swords -- but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about anything else during those times.
Here, think of it this way:
What if the roles had been reversed, and Zoro had been beaten by the enemy, and Brook had rushed in to save him ... Now, if, when he rushed in, Brook discovered that the enemy was a woman, and if Brook caught a glimpse of the enemy's pantaloons as he moved forward to fight her … don't you think Brook would forget about Zoro for a minute, too, and concentrate instead on winning his enemy's pantaloons?That's what it's like with Zoro and high grade swords.
Well… last but not least, I want to say that Zoro's "SHUT THE HELL UP!" was funny, but it ruined the serious situation a little bit.
Yep, that's our Zoro, overcooking things as usual. (I'm still baffled by people who say he's "emotionless" – if he had no emotions, then what was the source of that last outburst? Indigestion?)
A couple of nami related questions to the group:
-Is nami married now? If they were already on the final kiss then the priest must have already blessed them as "(lion)man and wife."
-Who do you feel more sorry for if she is married: absalom or sanji? Sanji will be sad because he lost the love of his life (one of them anyways) and arrived too late. Absalom is stuck being marreid to nami… isn't that bad enough?
-Is nami's unconsciousness because she has had her shadow stolen? If so, what manner of zombie do you think might show up wielding the climatact and stealing stuff?
Boiga, was it you who brought up the idea of Absalom paying Nami alimony for the rest of his life? If so (or whoever brought it up) I gotta say, that's one of the funniest things I've read in ages – I love the idea! ... Or maybe, if they aren't yet married when she wakes up, she'll make some unreasonable request for a multi-million-Beli dowry beforehand, and he'll have to empty the treasure room to please her. I think you're right about her shadow having been stolen; it would be a good way to assure that she never escapes from the island (or at least not on a sunny day). Could be interesting also if Nami's shadow is put in a male body. Then Sanji would have to decide if, by fighting then purifying that male zombie, he's hurting or helping the female shadow within it.
Nah, scratch that -- we already had the "chivalry-dilemma" scenario in EL and that was only an arc ago. It would be better just to let Sanji rage uncontrollably through the wedding chapel this time.
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There's more than a 30% chance that Pipboy is a dumbfuck.
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Aside from the fact that that was uncalled for (oh woe I am so hurt), Haven't seen you in any of my threads Cyrin, enjoying the safety of carebearland I see. Well I can't believe you are still smarting from the female shichibukai thread, that was a long time ago, funny you brought up my vocabulary back then too…..
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Huh? Don't even remember what you're talkin' about.
Gohn doesn't go into your threads because they spawn migraines and the mass suicide of anybody with common sense.
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Holy crap, a Nami zombie coming and stealing everyone's stuff would be made of absolute win.
Hell yes! It could steal their salt bags.
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@IT'S:
Hell yes! It could steal their salt bags.
Or it could try a putrefact version of happyness punch, having an even more devasting effect due to ubberly disgusting sight…:sick:
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A Nami zombie would be the best (after Oz), but it's too late for her zombie now…
I don't think that Brook will join SH, even though I would like him to do so. I think that he'll go back to see Laboon.
I want Perona to join, the SH could use another female nakama and she's almost as cool as Brook -
A Nami zombie would be the best (after Oz), but it's too late for her zombie now…
I don't think that Brook will join SH, even though I would like him to do so. I think that he'll go back to see Laboon.
I want Perona to join, the SH could use another female nakama and she's almost as cool as BrookHow can you think someone who takes delight in stealing other people's joy would ever fit in with the Straw Hats?
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@IT'S:
How can you think someone who takes delight in stealing other people's joy would ever fit in with the Straw Hats?
Don't you see? Brooke will join the crew, sail around the world with them, and visit Laboon with Luffy when it's all over.I never thought of Perona being a "joy stealer"… Anyway I wish that ANY female joins!!
Maybe Brook is bisexual:blink:, I'll settle with that.
Or maybe he is a Transsexual:blink:
Or just maybe he is a lesbian:blink:I'm an idiot:blink:
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^ Yes indeed
agreeance of the 7 kings
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Sanji will move at speeds of Mach 5 to take down Absalom with his kicks of 5,000,000,000 atm.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Mach 5?
More like Mach Fly-Through-The-Air.
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Brook will join SH crew they need fresh blood obvious if had blood (skull joke)
Evrywon are sad that brook lost fight and zoro help him maybe later brook will fight with shadow zoro and win this time.
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Franky vs jigoroh people, speedo wearing cyborg vs tutu wearing swordman , i'm waiting for this .
I was thinking about something , the strong zombies ( in the 800 range ) that we clearly know the names are ryuma ( who is zoro oponent ) , jigoroh and john . What if john is the pirate who decimated brook's crew ?After all john seems to be known as a vicious and dangerous pirate ( when he was alive of course ) , if it's the case then brook will have a new fight since john would be the one who destroyed his life in the first place.Of course it's only speculation.
As for jigoroh the only one who can clearly fight against him is franky ( no people franky won't fight hildon because franky don't need to fight a weakling).
Chopper main problem is hogback and i can't see robin defeating somebody who was able to kill 7000 pirates and who is now the owner of zoro's shadow,only somebody who is physically strong can fight zoro's shadow and since sanji is facing absalom and zoro is facing ryuma , the only strong one left is franky( i don't put chopper on equal ground with franky because they are not equal at all).If this fight really happen then it will settle all the doubts about franky's real position among the fighters ( strong ones or weak ones) because there are a lot of people ( not here especially ) who still doubt franky's strength .
Again speedo cyborg vs tutu swordman is too awesome to not happen.
I love this arc because except for luffy and zorro it doesn't follow the usual pattern as far as the opponents are concerned ( realise that the second strongest on TB is Absalom ,ryuma seems to be the second strongest zombie).
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Actually I still hope most of the fights aren't actual fights, at least not classical ones like the EL ones cause honestly I'd find it extremely boring.
I'm hoping for something completely wacky and out of left field. Like for ex Oz abducting Nami and starting to climb up the mast King Kong style with Sanji and Absalom working together to save her. Also the most likely outcomes for Moria vs Luffy for the moment are:
1-long epic fight ala Lucci vs Luffy
2-easy victory for LuffyNone of these being sastisfying as far as I'm concerned. So yeah, expecting something different from Oda even if it'll likely turn out to be classic.
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Well yeah. Already we're getting something different though, what with Oz single-handedly eliminating the Generals.
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I'm glad Odz got rid of those generals. It saved us the trouble of worrying about a bunch of pseudo-powerful extras that need beating.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Oda's always been good about chuckin' a curve ball.
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Aldrich, you have a point there on Luffy's fight.. how is it gonna turn out I have no idea. Moria is tough to picture battling, it's gotta be a OHKO for either side, then resume somehow.
btw, Skull26… may I ask, did the thought of Brooke needing to come with the SHs so he can actually meet Laboon?
It seems to be the most logical solution. He can only turn back by getting Eternals over and over again, which is ultra hard [+ given his look], or he can continue with the SHs, then go past the Red Line for Laboon.About that, can anyone take a quick look at Nami's map right before they go on Reverse Mt. to see if there's a water route from Raftel too?
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Yeah, in agreement. The SH vs counterparts gets old real fast, glad to see Oz totally come out of left field and annihilate the Generals. Don't think I could bear another 40 chaps of full on fighting. Can't say I see a OHKO on Moria tho, most likely a 3-4 chapter fight, nothing to grand.
Can't wait to see what Oda does to close out this arc. He totally turned my predictions on their ass.
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man, this arc is getting amazingggg. i love this little arc much more than the davyback fight. man, I am so excited., but yeah..i dont know how luffy vs moria is going to go..maybe moria will lose some weight?
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It's time for me to discuss the chapter!! woohoo!!
I think the SHs are gonna have a problem with time, to be more precise with the sun.
One of the zombie generals (or someone else) said that thriller bark came across a strange ocean current and is being washed away…It is/is it possible that the thriller bark will see some daylight.?.
If so, certain SH members will be in trouble, that would make the situation more tense and fun to read!!
I can already see the chapter title: "SHs vs. The Sun" ...pause...NOT! XDYup! It's gonna be a race with (vs) the time
BTW my new theory is that Brook will die an honorable death by being burnt by the sun(to the bone)!! mBhwahwahahaaa...
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I'm starting to think that Odz vs all SH is gonna be the final fight of TB, even If Moria is defeated, for some weird ass reason Luffy's shadow doesn't come back so all the SH have to fight him
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To me, it doesn't look like Sanji's elating…more of a 'DAMMIT, I'M TOO LATE' look.
Wonder if Oda will have them go the cliche route and him try to wake up his sleeping beauty with a kiss after he kicks the badguy ass?
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Wonder if Oda will have them go the cliche route and him try to wake up his sleeping beauty with a kiss after he kicks the badguy ass?
Cliche? If Sanji didn't try that it'd be out of character.
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@Rai:
Aldrich, you have a point there on Luffy's fight.. how is it gonna turn out I have no idea. Moria is tough to picture battling, it's gotta be a OHKO for either side, then resume somehow.
btw, Skull26… may I ask, did the thought of Brooke needing to come with the SHs so he can actually meet Laboon?
It seems to be the most logical solution. He can only turn back by getting Eternals over and over again, which is ultra hard [+ given his look], or he can continue with the SHs, then go past the Red Line for Laboon.About that, can anyone take a quick look at Nami's map right before they go on Reverse Mt. to see if there's a water route from Raftel too?
Or he can use whatever that allows Thriller Bark to get back to West Blue, and since he already knows West Blue, then it would be far easy to get to the Mountain without having to fight against the thousands of pirates that are awaiting on the New World….
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Wonder if Oda will have them go the cliche route and him try to wake up his sleeping beauty with a kiss after he kicks the badguy ass?
but we all know that it will be screaming treasure, gold or a ridiculous sum of money that will wake Nami up… or perhaps something about her oranges...
People have been talking about Namis shadow beeing stolen. but i haven't seen anyone make a note of it actually missing yet. (is oda purposely hiding the shadow from the readers view?) I'm on a different comp so i cant look through the images.
is it brook or Franky that is casting the shadow on page 12? seems to be a bit big for only Frankys left arm. (thought for a second that Zoro was casting a shadow on page 11 but then i noticed Frankies hand beeing much closer then in the panel after that.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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but we all know that it will be screaming treasure, gold or a ridiculous sum of money that will wake Nami up… or perhaps something about her oranges...
People have been talking about Namis shadow beeing stolen. but i haven't seen anyone make a not of it actually missing yet. (is oda purposely hiding the shadow from the readers view?)
is it brook or Franky that is casting the shadow on page 12? seems to be a bit big for only Frankys left arm. (thought for a second that Zoro was casting a shadow on page 11 but then i noticed Frankies hand beeing much closer then in the panel after that.
I first tought Nami was acting, purposely trying to get closer to the treasure after becoming Absalom's wife, but then, the zombies probably dressed her and only god knows what would you (Guys) do if you were dressing a woman like if it was a Human Sized Doll, so that could explain why most believe her shadow was stolen. Would Nami go that far for Money?
Another explanation, Absalom has some kind of Invisible Gas device or, like FFA assumed, some sort of DF power related to some kind of Gas that would knock out Nami.
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What I was wondering was why Zoro wanted to go save Brook instead of the more logical 'get his shadow back' and 'destroy Moria'… but swords are always more important to him then his own life.
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Welkin: Moria is beeing handled by Luffy and will automaticly return Zoros shadow when he is defeated (or so they assume… i still dont belive that)
While zoros shadow will return eventually and is not in any danger of getting lost or anything like that Brook, who is going to be their new nakama, is in more imidiet danger since he is batteling a stronger version of himself that he already lost atleast once to already (perhaps even twice).
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What I was wondering was why Zoro wanted to go save Brook instead of the more logical 'get his shadow back' and 'destroy Moria'… but swords are always more important to him then his own life.
No, he really cares about Brooke.
Let's face it. Can you blame him for telling Brooke to shut the hell up when he's about to face a "Legendary swordman" with a "Legendary Sword". That's a lot of tension, so there was no need for Brooke's nonsense.
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Okay, so the Zoro/Ryuma was assured from the start, but its nice that Zoro will be getting his new sword(potentially black) from Ryuma. I still can't believe that Usopp is involved in a big matchup, and that came out of left field. Sanji / Absalom was also a great twist, so thats cool. Now when is Franky getting his match? Also, I nominate Oz for the next Strawhat. He can swim alongside the Thousand Sunny, and can obliterate all peons. Its a shame that Oz won't be around too long, considering how we was created, as he is truly the most awesome thing that has come out of this arc, way better than Brook. I love how he reflects that fact that he isn't rubber when he does his attacks.
_Maya: SuPer-Admin Restricted Desktop Access password-protected!? What!? This is madness!
Phoenix: No, Maya, that is SPARDA._
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Serious Mode Zoro has no time for Silly Mode Brook.
IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO WORK OUT BROOK THANKS FOR THE DINNER
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@Cap'n:
I'm glad Odz got rid of those generals. It saved us the trouble of worrying about a bunch of pseudo-powerful extras that need beating.
Agree. Now the speculations about a fight with Palandin Zombie and Four-Arms Gunslinger Zombie are over (though I liked the visual of the gunslinger.)
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just quickly now, if zoro obtains this 21 sword, and he has another 21 sword given by his master, what is the other sword he's holding?
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Man, I hope those fights are just as shown. Well, really, I don't care so much about the people under, but I hope Zoro rapes that zombie and Moria gets his ass kicked really hard.
Also, I nominate Oz for the next Strawhat. He can swim alongside the Thousand Sunny, and can obliterate all peons. Its a shame that Oz won't be around too long, considering how we was created, as he is truly the most awesome thing that has come out of this arc, way better than Brook.
Isn't he, though?
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@bluebird47:
just quickly now, if zoro obtains this 21 sword, and he has another 21 sword given by his master, what is the other sword he's holding?
One of… 12? Cursed Swords, I think.
Ah, here's Tashigi's words about it:
@Stephen's:Woman: Huh?! This sword!! I've seen it in a book…!!
"SANDAI-KITETSU"!!! (3rd Generation Demon Splitter)
This!! You should take this one!!!- Page 137 -
Woman: Hey mister, is this sword really 50 thousand Berii?!
Ippon-Matsu: Y... yeah.
Woman: Amazing!! This is a historical "Wazamono"!! Normally worth 1 million. The previous generation saw "Nidai-Kitetsu" (2nd Gen.
Demon Splitter), an "Oo-Wazamono", and "Shodai-Kitetsu" (1st Generation Demon Splitter) was one of the "Saijou-Oo-Wazamono!!!So yeah, it's about as important as the other two.
