lol @ counting weeks in months
Saving "American" Shonen Jump
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Well definitly 4.
Sometimes 5.Viz dosen't even always do 3 chapters, they usually do two.
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Well, through some arcane voodoo there's roughly the same amount of volumes released each year in the US compared to Japan (four to four or five), so it evens out.
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Yeah, actually not 3. Usually they do 2… when it could be 4 and still keep in sync with the Japanese release.
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What ever became of that? Did they change it with the redub and thus have to change HFIL in the post-Cell filler and during the Buu saga?
Actually, that's more or less the fault of Standards and Practices than FUNimation.
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Anybody want to give a list of top 10 ideas for saving ASJ? Im going to send a letter…
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Show Jim Taylor that America won't be run by bullies like him.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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Threaten to cancel your subscription if your desires aren't met. Ya just gotta show 'em who's the boss.
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Well…seeing as I can basically read all the chapters offline, might as well do that. Ill wait a few issues to see if it improves though.
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I was joking.
Besides its possible for Funi to have utterly sucked with the Dragonball animes, and to no longer suck and actually be a good company.
Right?Because they may not ahve had shitty edits, but they more than made up for it with the re-script and voice acting.
I guess that's true but wasn't FUNi's first big project DBZ? Considering it was dubbed by Ocean Group first I would think it would be difficult for FUNimation to adjust and meet the fans standards. After all remember when uncut DBZ ran on CN every night there for a while? That was FUNi's version of the saiyan saga and you have to admit it was a whole lot different from Ocean's.
and really outside of Young Gohan and Young Goku who had bad voice acting? I actually liked the voices in DBZ. Even more so than the Japanese voices. You can't tell me that Goku would have a high pitched girly voice in DBZ. At least Goku sounds his age in the dub.
Conan is a fine example of a "best of the best" show and it's not great, just decent. Perhaps a little less than great because of Conan's size - that means more and more VA's get reused for roles. Happens in the Toei version as well but with a lot more frequency.
Conan hasn't been dropped yet even though it's not profitable for FUNimation - they're hoping on the chance that interest in the show will eventually pick up, and they're too stubborn to let go of it. That's admirable, especially considering they've got the funds to allow it right now.
Because Conan's target audience was 18~25 men, not 7-11 boys. That's why it flopped - Conan is a kid's title that had controversial, un-editable content that FUNimation thought they could market to adults. It failed. Shin-chan is roughly simmilar but has the advantage of being raunchy, but the disadvantage of being ugly. I heard it got renewed for a second run but I'm not sure how popular it was.
OP is being re-oriented from a kid's show to an 'otaku' show, since those are the people OP is really popular with in the West anyway. How well it does is really uncertain - FUNimation's primary source of income for this will be DVDs, which isn't the case for properties like OP normally.
Well I buy the manga so it doesn't matter to me how well the anime does. As long as Viz prints out the graphic novels I'm happy. Still Conan as an overall series is pretty great. A bit dragged out I suppose, but you have to handle it to the creator he is a rather good mystery writer and it seems in the current chapters were getting some headway into the main plot.
Still even without the main plot of the black organization. Conan sells on it's mysteries and that's what makes it a good series. The problem here is that most people would rather watch more action series with tons of beat em up brawls like Bleach, Naruto, and DBZ.
There's a chance that One Piece could be FUNi's new DBZ and I would think that they believe that too. So I feel that FUNi will do a pretty good job of dubbing One Piece. Heck the fact that they're even willing to go back and redub the old episodes shows that they actually care about the series and it's fans.
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They get 3 volumes out a year at minimum, maybe 4. So while not the exact same pace as Japan it's still pretty darn close and manages to balance out somewhat.
I personally don't see why SJ needs saving. It's got new series coming in, old series leaving with quicker releases, and Naruto is supposed to go back to less chapters a month once they get to Shippuden.
Maybe if you wanna get their attention you should pretend to be a Naruto fanboy, seems like the people at Viz would sacrifice their first borns just to keep those guys happy. I'm totally serious here too, the cries of Narutards are ALWAYS answered by Viz.
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What new series? Oh yeah, the most recent one! Yugioh GX! Aw man! Shaman King! Not coming out in volume form for another 6 months… but why??? Still... its another half a year of Naruto taking over the mag! So what about OP count! They need to do the thing with OP next! 3 volumes a month would be worshipped by me.
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I guess that's true but wasn't FUNi's first big project DBZ? Considering it was dubbed by Ocean Group first I would think it would be difficult for FUNimation to adjust and meet the fans standards. After all remember when uncut DBZ ran on CN every night there for a while? That was FUNi's version of the saiyan saga and you have to admit it was a whole lot different from Ocean's.
"fan standards" didn't exist until a couple years ago - no one really cared. Only when the internet connected the anime societies did they become a force to be reckoned with, and only because BitTorrent swelled their ranks.
All FUNimation did with DBZ was secure the rights to license the title in the US. They got a HQ in Texas and established an in-house dubbing studio, and used DBZ as the training ground for their court VA's for future projects.
Heck the fact that they're even willing to go back and redub the old episodes shows that they actually care about the series and it's fans.
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You have got to be kidding me.
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"fan standards" didn't exist until a couple years ago - no one really cared. Only when the internet connected the anime societies did they become a force to be reckoned with, and only because BitTorrent swelled their ranks.
All FUNimation did with DBZ was secure the rights to license the title in the US. They got a HQ in Texas and established an in-house dubbing studio, and used DBZ as the training ground for their court VA's for future projects.
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You have got to be kidding me.
So just because it's FUNi it's automatically as bad as 4kids? Heck if Viz had gotten One Piece you can bet the dub wouldn't be better than Gash Bell's. They probably would have even got Gash's dub VA to play Luffy and then people would be whining about Luffy's Jimmy Neutron voice.
As far as DBZ goes the dubbing still wasn't half as bad as most other dubs out there. If anything FUNi has always done an adequate job dubbing and continues to do so, but I guess there are people who will always think that they're just as bad as 4kids.
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and really outside of Young Gohan and Young Goku who had bad voice acting?
Well..
Piccolo sucked.
Vegeta sucked.
Roshi sucked.
Freeza sucked.
16 sucked.
Trunks sucked.
Kid Trunks sucked.
Boo sucked.
Babidi sucked.
Kami sucked.
Yajerobe sucked.
Mr.Popo sucked.
The Ginyu Force sucked (aside from Ginyu)
Yamcha sucked.
Tenshinhan sucked.
Karin sucked.
Lunch sucked.
Dr.Briefs sucked.
The Turtle sucked.
Both dragons sucked.
Chaozu sucked.
Kuririn sucked.
Bulma sucked.
19 sucked.
Cell sucked.
Kaioshin sucked.And the two worst of all were Kaio..
And Goku. I'd rather a well done Marilyn Monroe voice for Goku than ol' gastricly challenged Sean Scemmel and his bucket of fail.
On the other hand…
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Well..
Piccolo sucked.
Vegeta sucked.
Roshi sucked.
Freeza sucked.
16 sucked.
Trunks sucked.
Kid Trunks sucked.
Boo sucked.
Babidi sucked.
Kami sucked.
Yajerobe sucked.
Mr.Popo sucked.
The Ginyu Force sucked (aside from Ginyu)
Yamcha sucked.
Tenshinhan sucked.
Karin sucked.
Lunch sucked.
Dr.Briefs sucked.
The Turtle sucked.
Both dragons sucked.
Chaozu sucked.
Kuririn sucked.
Bulma sucked.
19 sucked.
Cell sucked.
Kaioshin sucked.And the two worst of all were Kaio..
And Goku. I'd rather a well done Marilyn Monroe voice for Goku than ol' gastricly challenged Sean Scemmel and his bucket of fail.
On the other hand…
Mr.Satan was awesome.Opinion's I guess because I atually liked the voices though I would agree with Android 19…
I personally don't see how the voice casting was bad, but maybe that's because I heard the dub voices before the atrocious Japanese one's.
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So just because it's FUNi it's automatically as bad as 4kids? Heck if Viz had gotten One Piece you can bet the dub wouldn't be better than Gash Bell's. They probably would have even got Gash's dub VA to play Luffy and then people would be whining about Luffy's Jimmy Neutron voice.
4Kids doesn't usually do bad dubs, especially when TaJ has control over the production - FUNimation has a far worse record. But, OP was a terrible dub for a variety of reasons, miscasting and poor direction being only two of the problems.
What I'm saying is, the FUNimation dub will be of simmilar quality to the 4Kids one minus the offensive material 4Kids put into their dub.
ZB has a great dub, for the record. One of the best I've ever heard for a kid's show since Digimon.
As far as DBZ goes the dubbing still wasn't half as bad as most other dubs out there. If anything FUNi has always done an adequate job dubbing and continues to do so, but I guess there are people who will always think that they're just as bad as 4kids.
I think nine out of every ten 4Kids dubs were better than the DBZ one, but DBZ's wasn't really bad, at least not Bible Black bad or nearly as horrible as some of the stuff done by ADV.
And I actually liked the DBZ English dub, a heck of a lot more than the Japanese anyway. But I've got to admit it was really LQ, even for a super-long show like DB. The actors just weren't experienced at the time.
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4Kids doesn't usually do bad dubs, especially when TaJ has control over the production - FUNimation has a far worse record. But, OP was a terrible dub for a variety of reasons, miscasting and poor direction being only two of the problems.
What I'm saying is, the FUNimation dub will be of simmilar quality to the 4Kids one minus the offensive material 4Kids put into their dub.
ZB has a great dub, for the record. One of the best I've ever heard for a kid's show since Digimon.
I think nine out of every ten 4Kids dubs were better than the DBZ one, but DBZ's wasn't really bad, at least not Bible Black bad or nearly as horrible as some of the stuff done by ADV.
And I actually liked the DBZ English dub, a heck of a lot more than the Japanese anyway. But I've got to admit it was really LQ, even for a super-long show like DB. The actors just weren't experienced at the time.
I doubt FUNi will do episode merging. Besides 4kids having good dubs? Last I checked Yugioh wasn't a good dub or Tokyo Mew Mew or Shaman King. In fact the only dub that WAS good was pokemon and even that had the Japanese sub watchers complaining.
I haven't really run into a FUNi dub that I actually thought was bad unless you're just going to go on DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho… I believe YuYu was done by FUNi...
and yeah ZB has a good dub but it isn't Naruto quality if we want to go on that, and digimon? You call Digimon a GOOD dub? I'm having a hard time believing that. I mean I enjoyed Digimon but you can't say that Digimon's puns weren't out of place or anything just like what you'd see in a 4kids dub. Not to mention they distorted some of the characters like Daisuke (Davis) for instance because I sure as heck don't remember Daisuke being a creepy, jealous, angry, Hikari stalker in the original.
As for ADV I wouldn't know. Outside of Excel Saga and Evangelion I never saw anything from them.
Well DBZ was the first anime these guys have done I think. I think that there's just a lot of neeless FUNi hate. I mean FUNi is nowhere near as bad as you say and when the dub comes around I'm sure you'll be eating your words. Either that or complaining about stuff that in the long run doesn't matter because the dub will be better than what it was.
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What new series? Oh yeah, the most recent one! Yugioh GX! Aw man! Shaman King! Not coming out in volume form for another 6 months… but why??? Still... its another half a year of Naruto taking over the mag! So what about OP count! They need to do the thing with OP next! 3 volumes a month would be worshipped by me.
Yugioh GX came in, Bobobo is now a regular series, and there will be another new series coming in November that they haven't named yet.
Also, if they drop any more series from the magazine it'll mean even more space to fill.
As far as Shaman King goes, it's 6 months of waiting yes, but THEN you get a new volume every other month.
As far as Naruto goes, well considering Naruto basically carries the magazine it's not surprising. It'll end come Shippuden anyway.
I doubt they'll do the 3 volumes a month for anything other than Naruto, but a bimonthly release for One Piece (like what SK is getting) would be very good! It basically means 6 volumes a year, and that's a damn good amount if you ask me.
At the current rate we get 3-4 volumes a year from Viz. Volume 17 is unscheduled and won't be out until 2008.
Ok so at the current rate we'd be in Skypiea (volume wise anyway) in about 3 years-ish.
If they started a bi-monthly release with volume 17 in 2008, we could be in Skypiea in about a year and a half.
I'd take the bi-monthly release any day. Let's hope it happens for One Piece.
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Well..
Piccolo sucked.
Vegeta sucked.
Roshi sucked.
Freeza sucked.
16 sucked.
Trunks sucked.
Kid Trunks sucked.
Boo sucked.
Babidi sucked.
Kami sucked.
Yajerobe sucked.
Mr.Popo sucked.
The Ginyu Force sucked (aside from Ginyu)
Yamcha sucked.
Tenshinhan sucked.
Karin sucked.
Lunch sucked.
Dr.Briefs sucked.
The Turtle sucked.
Both dragons sucked.
Chaozu sucked.
Kuririn sucked.
Bulma sucked.
19 sucked.
Cell sucked.
Kaioshin sucked.And the two worst of all were Kaio..
And Goku. I'd rather a well done Marilyn Monroe voice for Goku than ol' gastricly challenged Sean Scemmel and his bucket of fail.
On the other hand…
Mr.Satan was awesome.Oo. Woah Woah woah. No way man.
I can see the others how they possibly suck, even though I like most of them, but Cell and Roshi were epic in the dub.
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Yeah, I agree with Terek in that the new Funi dub for One Piece will probably be on par with Case Closed
Also, I think most of the flak regarding Funi's DBZ was that they released DVD's in a very poor manner, and cancelling their "Ultimate Uncut" releases, leaving those who bought them with an incomplete set. Not to mention those "Lost Episodes." I've got nothing against the dub, even though some of Funimation's worst work.
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Erm…can you blame them for putting stuff in the magazine that sells it?
I mean if you don't like it the best form of protest would be simply to cancel your subscription with the reason being:
"Not enough One Piece"
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So far every series has been a dissappointment this year. GX is just plain horrible, that kid needs a haircut and needs to stop being anorexic. Bobo-bo is hilarious and I love it, but it appears, just like Gin Tama only 1 chapter… As for the series in November, we can only hope for something good, because honestly with the recent lineup, my hopes aren't high. I am going to send SJ a letter right now sying that I want OP to be bimonthly, at this point I don't even care if I have to wait 6 months, Its a better deal for OP.
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A new series in November? Its either going to be a slightly older series that could go under the radar without it (personally wish Nube would get an American release or something that broke out through JUS like "Sakigake! Otokojuku" or "Ninku")…or a more recent series that could get a good following and an anime eventually. (best bets: Neuro or To-LOVE-Ru). But hey, no one can really predict what Viz wants to do so all we can do is wait.
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Sakigake! Otokojuku, Neuro, or Nube would be AWESOME. ..I'd also like to see Mx0. >_>
Also, I have a question. Is Muhyo to Rouji vol 1 still coming out in October, or..?
J-WALKING
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For the record, Gash Bell's dub is fucking terrible.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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isn't it called Zatch Bell for the dub?
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Sakigake! Otokojuku, Neuro, or Nube would be AWESOME. ..I'd also like to see Mx0. >_>
Also, I have a question. Is Muhyo to Rouji vol 1 still coming out in October, or..?
Muhyo Vol. 1 is still on tap for October. Though with recent rankings in the Japanese book, I'm sort of relieved its not going to be in the magazine…though I've heard the series is good. (hopefully it will get an anime though...usually when a book is about to come out in the US, an anime seems to follow)
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@Cap'n:
For the record, Gash Bell's dub is fucking terrible.
I agree. It's preeeettty bad. The only voice I really liked was Gash/Zatch's. Kiyo's okay too.
J-WALKING
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I agree. It's preeeettty bad. The only voice I really liked was Gash/Zatch's. Kiyo's okay too.
Personally I think the Gash dub is tolerable at best. It doesn't have the life and imagination of Raiku's vision, but it does an alright (not amazing, not crappy) job in doing its job.
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I doubt FUNi will do episode merging. Besides 4kids having good dubs? Last I checked Yugioh wasn't a good dub…
YGO a bad dub? Hardly, it was great - wasn't faithful to the source material that much, but outside of the silly otaku who really cares? I've never seen the JP version but one of my hard-arse friends saw the JP first and the dub second, and liked both of them. It's a difference of interpretation.
…or Tokyo Mew Mew or Shaman King. In fact the only dub that WAS good was pokemon and even that had the Japanese sub watchers complaining.
Never saw TMM, but SK had a good dub. It wasn't even TaJ production to boot, which shows 4Kids' in-house dubbing isn't the worst in the world…
Except for OP. :|
And anyone who watches the PKMN sub is a huge weeaboo and shouldn't be listened to anyway. I couldn't imagine anyone Japanophile enough to go and do that.
I haven't really run into a FUNi dub that I actually thought was bad unless you're just going to go on DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho… I believe YuYu was done by FUNi...
I enjoyed both dubs, but YYH and DBZ were LQ because of actor experience, not really of casting. Since FUNimation recycles a lot of actors, they obviously get better as they get more experience - FMA was the ultimate result of that with perfect casting and VA's with the most experience.
But that isn't always the case. Just watch stuff like Negima! (recent) or Baki the Grappler (old) and compare. They're pretty simmilar, but only because there's a mix of the experienced VAs and inexperienced ones.
FUNimation never has direction problems.
and yeah ZB has a good dub but it isn't Naruto quality if we want to go on that, and digimon? You call Digimon a GOOD dub? I'm having a hard time believing that. I mean I enjoyed Digimon but you can't say that Digimon's puns weren't out of place or anything just like what you'd see in a 4kids dub. Not to mention they distorted some of the characters like Daisuke (Davis) for instance because I sure as heck don't remember Daisuke being a creepy, jealous, angry, Hikari stalker in the original.
Digimon was well-written, though it did have some plot-hole problems because of that. Personally, I liked the random puns - the original show was straight shounen and the quirks made it more entertaining and unique, fitting the atmosphere of a show that didn't take itself too seriously.
Most of the absurdity was drained in Tamers, which was a lot more profound anyway.
And just for a note, I favour entertainment over accuracy anyday. Accuracy is for the hypocritical weeaboo who can't understand that translating something will automatically lead to ambiguities and inaccuracies, they only can't accept that.
Well DBZ was the first anime these guys have done I think. I think that there's just a lot of neeless FUNi hate. I mean FUNi is nowhere near as bad as you say and when the dub comes around I'm sure you'll be eating your words. Either that or complaining about stuff that in the long run doesn't matter because the dub will be better than what it was.
Delicious text, I must eat. Nom nom nom…
But seriously, I don't get where you've come up with this, "Terek hates FUNimation dubs". My sister worked for the company. I'm a Navarre shareholder. I'm fudgin' tied to these guys, but that doesn't mean I'm going to endorse them no matter what.
And I never said FUNimation had bad dubs, just that 4Kids had good ones and that FUNimation's dubs are generally of lower quality than 4Kids or California ones.
I personally don't see how the voice casting was bad, but maybe that's because I heard the dub voices before the atrocious Japanese one's.
I saw the Japanese version before I saw the FUNimation dub and thought the VAs were weak, especially Goku. One of the things I could never get over in the JP version was how, uh, "slow" it was in comparison to the English - the same applies to OP and Pokemon. The pacing of "shounen" is on average horrible, with periods of doing nothing and hearing nothing with just normal talking.
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Also regarding the ZB hate, I never compare it to the Japanese. Seriously, there's no one out right now who could match Rie Kugimiya or Norio Wakamoto - ZB has a cast of among the strongest actors out nowadays having a lot of fun in the dub, so I acknowledge the difference in awesome as outside of human control.
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The Digimon made fun of it's self.
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Also regarding the ZB hate, I never compare it to the Japanese. Seriously, there's no one out right now who could match Rie Kugimiya or Norio Wakamoto - ZB has a cast of among the strongest actors out nowadays having a lot of fun in the dub, so I acknowledge the difference in awesome as outside of human control.
There's also the grating voice actors, constant streams of pun gibberish, "Kiyo" and "Suzy," "Hey Hey Let's Dance All Day"…. and so on.
It's kind of weird how you criticize the DBZ dub for the HFIL thing but seem to ignore the "Shadow Realm" nonsense in Yu-Gi-Oh, and similar edits in the other dubs you seem to praise.
And calling Shaman King a good dub? har har.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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I think the problem with the YGO dub is one of those "so bad its good" dubs with a concept that is just absurd in the first place. I know Takahashi had an idea about games and Egyptian mythology, but something just seems silly about the fate of the world being determined by rectangular pieces of cardboard. (and that doesn't add in the stuff the anime did…somehow I think YGO:TAS had the right idea blasting the series with the "Gay Clown")
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One word which makes American SJ faill completely.
BLEACH!I know they do show occaisional Bleach chapters every now and then but it's not exactly their every month. Bleach is one of the top mangas in AMerica, no sense to not serialize it in SJ issues.
Yu-gi-oh! needs to be taken out though, atleast GX. Same with Bobobo.
There's plenty of other great series:- Reborn!
- DGM
- ES21
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the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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People seem to have a hard time understanding that Yu-Gi-Oh! ends in a few chapters anyway.
And Bo-bobo stays. Even if it's permanantly only one chapter a month it's still hella better than its treatment by the scanlation community.
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The problem with transferring series that are currently being serialized bi-monthly suddenly jumping to the magazine is that the fans of those books will start complaining that they are being shafted as they watch progress move to a snail's pace. If they started Bleach in the magazine from the beginning and kept it in there, then it would be a booster with its current hype…even if there would be detractors for moving so slowly. But to suddenly throw it in the magazine starting, say, at the start of the Arrancar arc (Vol. 20 is coming, meaning that Shinji and the Arrancar are closer than we think) will start making people whining "now we're never going anywhere" and be forced to subscribe or wait it out. (though with how the Arrancar arc goes, it wouldn't be such a bad idea)
The best idea would be for Jump to start some new series in the magazine, a couple recent or new, a couple older series that would get zero coverage, and see how its goes. Oh, and seconding Bo-bobo in the mag...even if they will probably never do the first 8.5 volumes).
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@Cap'n:
There's also the grating voice actors, constant streams of pun gibberish, "Kiyo" and "Suzy," "Hey Hey Let's Dance All Day"…. and so on.
…basically kids stuff, the lot of which we see in OP and traditionally saw in stuff like Digimon. It's an old fashioned, heavily localized dub, so I watch it with a bit of nostalgia but I am conscious of how times have changed.
And frankly, I'd prefer localized names over the horrible English pronunciation of Japanese ones. Kay-eechi for example.
@Cap'n:
It's kind of weird how you criticize the DBZ dub for the HFIL thing but seem to ignore the "Shadow Realm" nonsense in Yu-Gi-Oh, and similar edits in the other dubs you seem to praise.
I ignored it, but didn't endorse it. When I first saw the show, I never once considered the Shadow Realm thing out of place in story that basically eschewed all sorts of accurate Egyptian history in favour of voodoo magic, medieval monsters and elven figures "Japanized" for coolness, but when it was pointed out to me I went, "eh, that sucks".
There are some plus points anyway. "I'm gonna kill you" is so cliche and boring, I don't really feel anything when someone like Naruto says it.
In contrast, and this is to the benefit of the Ocean DBZ dub, when Vegeta goes, "I lied when I said I'll let you go. Well, not exactly, since I will let you go…TO ANOTHER DIMENSION" in an outrageously overly dramatic voice, it's really a "WOW" moment. Even if censored, the dub made that moment a heck of a lot cooler.
Which goes back to the weaknesses of the FUNimation DBZ dub - HFIL has been immortalized in my brain ever since King Kai said, "He went to the Home for Infinite Losers".
In restrospect, it's kinda funny.
@Cap'n:
And calling Shaman King a good dub? har har.
Aside from the silly name changes ('ZEKE' oh god), I thought it was fine.
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So far every series has been a dissappointment this year. GX is just plain horrible, that kid needs a haircut and needs to stop being anorexic. Bobo-bo is hilarious and I love it, but it appears, just like Gin Tama only 1 chapter… As for the series in November, we can only hope for something good, because honestly with the recent lineup, my hopes aren't high. I am going to send SJ a letter right now sying that I want OP to be bimonthly, at this point I don't even care if I have to wait 6 months, Its a better deal for OP.
Bobobo WILL have more chapters, the only reason it has one this month is because Shaman King was still in. Once Shaman King is out Bobobo will likely take up that space with more chapter.
GX being horrible is completely your opinion. Personally I agree, it sucks, but alot of people like it because it's more Yugioh and Yugioh still has a following with the younger crowd here in America.
As far as new titles coming in, I'd expect something that's already being released in volumes that might not have a huge following yet.
I dunno if we'd see anything from the SJ Advanced line, but if we did I wouldn't mind seeing Reborn! in the magazine. The volume release is already pretty slow, and out of the entire Advanced line Reborn! is probably the most kid-friendly and wouldn't be hard to put in the magazine.
Hoshin Engi still seems like it could be a contender, even though it's rather old.
Maybe MAR will slow down volume releases and show up in the magazine. That's another title (like Hoshin Engi) that Viz seems intent on pushing.
ArticUNO ZapDOS MolTRES!!!!!!!!
Holy crap, I never noticed that!
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Maybe MAR will slow down volume releases and show up in the magazine. That's another title (like Hoshin Engi) that Viz seems intent on pushing.
MAR = Shonen Sunday. A Shonen Sunday manga will never show up in a magazine for Jump. Besides, MAR is a couple volumes from completion anyway. (just got vol. 13)
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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I'm really hoping that VIZ will at least preview Neuro soon and maybe show up some obscure series like Jaguar later in life. I try and send a letter to VIZ every now and then, mentioning what I liked about the magazine and anime and manga previews that'd be good. Funny thing is, most of the time I send letters, that stuff happens in the next issue. D. Gray-Man anime preview and Houshin Engi manga preview… Maybe I'm lucky or VIZ thinks I'm some sort of eity?
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and yeah ZB has a good dub but it isn't Naruto quality if we want to go on that, and digimon? You call Digimon a GOOD dub? I'm having a hard time believing that. I mean I enjoyed Digimon but you can't say that Digimon's puns weren't out of place or anything just like what you'd see in a 4kids dub. Not to mention they distorted some of the characters like Daisuke (Davis) for instance because I sure as heck don't remember Daisuke being a creepy, jealous, angry, Hikari stalker in the original.
Actually, Digimon was a great dub aside from a few moments (how the deaths of Pumpkinmon and Gotsumon were handled in a Belle-Mere-esque fashion, trying to combine the first three movies into one storyline). Besides, Daisuke was only like that for the first half or so of the season (he stopped acting like that around the point where regular Digivolution was re-introduced).
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YGO a bad dub? Hardly, it was great - wasn't faithful to the source material that much, but outside of the silly otaku who really cares? I've never seen the JP version but one of my hard-arse friends saw the JP first and the dub second, and liked both of them. It's a difference of interpretation.
So I'm guessing you haven't seen this site then.
http://www.yu-jyo.net/index.php
I think that about sums it up.
I admit I only saw the english version and I loved it, but all the heart of the cards stuff? All the shadow realm stuff? You can't seriously believe that it wasn't as bad as One Piece's dub. Yes I know in the Japanese version Atem preaches the Shin no Duelist concept but he doesn't do it all the time the way dub Atem does with the heart of the cards. Plus the whole shadow realm concept was as bad as "another dimension."
Yugioh's dub wasn't like Naruto where it would only be the otaku's who care as you claim. Sure Yugioh was treated better than say… CCS but I wouldn't say the quality of the dub was great. Heck as far as I know people believe Shaman King wasthe only non-pokemon dub that was decent and even that had it's share of problems... like "Zeke" for instance.
Never saw TMM, but SK had a good dub. It wasn't even TaJ production to boot, which shows 4Kids' in-house dubbing isn't the worst in the world…
Except for OP. :|
And anyone who watches the PKMN sub is a huge weeaboo and shouldn't be listened to anyway. I couldn't imagine anyone Japanophile enough to go and do that.
Eh never saw TMM either, but I've heard the complaints that have come from the fans about it and knowing 4kids it's probably no surprise that most of those complaints are true.
I've already covered shaman king I believe.
Eh I think Naruto is far more weeaboo than Pokemon, but that's just my opinion. Besides I have to admit I like some of the Japanese voice actors from pokemon. Though I'll always like the english one's just as much.
I enjoyed both dubs, but YYH and DBZ were LQ because of actor experience, not really of casting. Since FUNimation recycles a lot of actors, they obviously get better as they get more experience - FMA was the ultimate result of that with perfect casting and VA's with the most experience.
But that isn't always the case. Just watch stuff like Negima! (recent) or Baki the Grappler (old) and compare. They're pretty simmilar, but only because there's a mix of the experienced VAs and inexperienced ones.
FUNimation never has direction problems.
Well I'd say FUNi's version of YYH and DBZ were better than anything Geneon's pumped out. Even with the lack of experience they still were able to pull off a dub that did draw in a lot of people. I know we have our own opinions on who should voice who, but for someone who watched the english version first that point is rather negated I would think. Besides for YYH and DBZ what would you call perfect casting? I believe they did fine with the resources they had at the time. Plus even YYH's dub is considered Higher Quality than DBZ's and I still think that's because FUNi had to work around Ocean's version of DBZ first.
Digimon was well-written, though it did have some plot-hole problems because of that. Personally, I liked the random puns - the original show was straight shounen and the quirks made it more entertaining and unique, fitting the atmosphere of a show that didn't take itself too seriously.
Most of the absurdity was drained in Tamers, which was a lot more profound anyway.
And just for a note, I favour entertainment over accuracy anyday. Accuracy is for the hypocritical weeaboo who can't understand that translating something will automatically lead to ambiguities and inaccuracies, they only can't accept that.
eh I guess. Personally I don't really complain about Digimon's puns though most of them just seemed real cheesey or they were placed in during a moment where there shouldn't be a pun such as a serious scene. Not to mention I hated how they made Junpei the stereotypical fat character who always talks about food in Frontier. Especially since Junpei was nothing like that in the original from what I can tell.
I'll admit though in the Adventure series I didn't mind the puns too much. My only problem was how they decided to turn Davis into a complete jerk when he wasn't like that at all either. Then again I've only seen a couple episodes of 02 and looked at a couple fanstes to figure this out. When I started watching Digimon it was the dub of 02 and I actually thought Davis was cool and then I learned that the dubbers had decided to make him the butt of everyone's joke. So it's no wonder why most of the english Digimon fanbase hates Davis, but I guess that's just all opinions though I suppose.
I also go for entertainment value. I'm not saying that a dub has to be perfectly and accurately translated. I know that there are Japanese words that have several different meanings so translating the dialouge right can be very hard. It's just that it seems like most dubs seem to come off as if the dubbers didn't really try at all. Still if I can watch it and be entertained by it that's all that really matters. Even if I haven't seen the original. So all in all it's okay to have some artistic liberties with the dub, but not all the time and certainly not if they don't need to take artistic liberties with the script.
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But seriously, I don't get where you've come up with this, "Terek hates FUNimation dubs". My sister worked for the company. I'm a Navarre shareholder. I'm fudgin' tied to these guys, but that doesn't mean I'm going to endorse them no matter what.
And I never said FUNimation had bad dubs, just that 4Kids had good ones and that FUNimation's dubs are generally of lower quality than 4Kids or California ones.
Well you just seem to come off as someone who says "FUNi's dubs suck worse than or just as much as 4kids." If I'm wrong then I apologize, but that's just how you came off to me. That's just something I don't agree with. Nor do I agree that FUNi's dubs are of lower quality than 4kids.
I know that FUNi takes artistic liberties sometimes like with Shin Chan and Lupin III but overall I'm having a hard time believing that 4kids is better when the only good thing that ever came out of 4kids Entertainment was TMNT.
Breaking my argument down. All I'm saying is FUNi's dubs aren't that bad and people arer getting all worked up about it just because One Piece isn't in Viz's hands. I'm just saying that even in Viz's hands the dub wouldn't be getting as much attention as Naruto's. Nor the same amount of treatment. I just think it's stupid to say that One Piece's chances of having a good dub are ruined just because FUNi's taken over.
I have a lot of respect for FUNi as a company and that's why I'm defending FUNi so much in this thread. I wouldn't ever give the same treatment to 4kids.
I saw the Japanese version before I saw the FUNimation dub and thought the VAs were weak, especially Goku. One of the things I could never get over in the JP version was how, uh, "slow" it was in comparison to the English - the same applies to OP and Pokemon. The pacing of "shounen" is on average horrible, with periods of doing nothing and hearing nothing with just normal talking.
Well I'm not looking for just straight fighting every five seconds so I don't really see the problem with talking, but then again that's why I read the manga and hardly ever watch anime anymore.
but well maybe shounen anime wouldn't be so slow if they weren't working off the manga in the first place. After all FMA ended at 51 episodes and that hardly followed the manga.
Also regarding the ZB hate, I never compare it to the Japanese. Seriously, there's no one out right now who could match Rie Kugimiya or Norio Wakamoto - ZB has a cast of among the strongest actors out nowadays having a lot of fun in the dub, so I acknowledge the difference in awesome as outside of human control.
I don't hate Zatch Bell's dub. I'm just saying that Zatch Bell doesn't nearly get the same treatment as Naruto's. After all when did you see ZB get a TV-PG rating? Not to mention they pretty much don't even show ZB anymore on Toonami. It seems more like more care was put into Naruto and Bleach.
My only gripe with Zatch Bell's dub are the very few name changes considering Naruto and Bleach have none at all.
Overall my point with Zatch Bell was that if Viz had gotten One Piece who's to say One Piece would have gotten a Naruto quality dub? If anything it probably would have gotten about the same treatment as Zatch Bell where it would still get a Y-7 rating at the most and still would have gotten shafted in favor of Viz's current cash cow. At least we have that chance with FUNi where they can make One Piece into a cash cow to rival Naruto. After all they did it with DBZ even if it did have a LQ dub so I can't see why they can't do it with a HQ One Piece dub.
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Digimon was well written? Wow. I have no idea if you've seen any of the episodes since the 90's, or if your tastes are just abysmal. I've recently watched several episodes of Adventure 01 dubbed, and goddamn. It was pretty bad.
If you were talking about voice work, then I could understand (Richard Epcar is amazing), but other than that…. no.
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Evolution (or not) of the Digimon Dub:
-Adventures: Better than a lot of stuff on TV (Pokemon, Saban DBZ), but too punny for its own good and with crappy inconsitancies that have nothing to do with anything. (Sora's cousin, Mimi's "little brother")
-Adventures 02 (prior to "Invasion of the Daemon Corp"): Puns keep getting worse and worse, crappy dialogue combined with semi-accurate translations.
-Adventures 02 (Invasion of the Daemon Corp-end), Tamers: Best dub in the series' run…though the final episodes of 02 sucked in many ways, it set the tone for all of Tamer's run and the rest of the Saban era.
-Frontier: Sensation/Disney return back to the crappy dialogue even with the mostly consistant plot. -
_I'M SENDING YOU TWO TO MY DUNGEON IN THE DIGITAL WORLD
How could you.. just imprison them like that….?!_
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