With a motto of "You do it!", I can understand why he would use someone elses shadow to get in 900 and fight for him instead.
Gecko Moria, not an elbaf giant?
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WTF are you talking about.
I think that´s his way of saying "excuse me but are you possibly a person who bases fighting power on a system that might make sense among the Naruto fandom". At least I took it that way.
And the post G-Greato quoted indeed seems to be lacking any basic understanding of One Piece. I mean Luffy defeated Crocodile which by that logic could have happened because: 81.000.000 fighting power > 30.000.000 fighting power. It´s rather amusing that even after years people still get shit like that totally wrong.
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Luffy got the living shit kicked out of him three times in the process and would be dead meat now without a mix of outside interference and plot induced stupidity, so using bounties to determine one's fighting abilities isn't entirely without merits.
Plus enough honestly with the comparison with the Naruto fandom, I don't think we're in the position to mock anybody here.
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I was pretty much quoting mister Moria's words, as he said that he now has 'the 300,000,000 belli fighting power'. So, since he then measured power by the bounty alone, I added it as a bonus to the whole usual-typical-villain-ego-streak, whereas I'd suppose his own 320,000,000 would be superior to Luffy's 300,000,000. In other words, there is little to no point as if I personally were to consider the bounty as a measuring stick. Mr Moria did that. My sincere apologies if it's too hard to spot.
On other news, I prefer OP over Naruto in every single situation. I just happen to like Sakon as a character. So I'm pretty damn far from a narutard. ><
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Bounties…
-Croc was actually worth double his 81 mil, but he was a Shichibukai and his bounty was frozen.
-Chopper is worth 50 beri... Is he that weak?
-Arlong bribed a Marine into not reporting the activity on Arlong Park. His 20 mil didn't reflect his strength.A weak guy who manages to kill 1,000 people will get a highi bounty. A strong guy who just steals lunch money off some kid isn't going to get a bounty, despite his strength. Actions contribute towards their bounty, strength is only one factor in the play.
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Luffy got the living shit kicked out of him three times in the process and would be dead meat now without a mix of outside interference and plot induced stupidity, so using bounties to determine one's fighting abilities isn't entirely without merits.
Yeah that´s true but all I was trying to say is that bounties are a weak indicator to determine the strength for people. And even though all that factors you mentioned played a role for Luffy still being able to keep going in the end it was his pure and raw fighting ability that defeated Crocodile.
Plus enough honestly with the comparison with the Naruto fandom, I don't think we're in the position to mock anybody here.
Come to think of it, you´re dead right on that issue.
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Let's abandon a bounty discussion please. It'll do us no good a remind us why we hate each other's opinions.
But, double dude's has a point. Bounty aside, if he could put he shadow in Oz he would, since odds are Moria should believe himself to be stronger then Luffy–if he follows the pattern of all OP villians.
Also, I personally believe that Luffy deserved to beat Croc as much of anything, for "plot conveniences" apply equally to Croc's ability to kick Luffy's ass in the first place. It's all "plot." Gah, every time I try to get out, you keep pulling me back in. Arguments over "who should have won" are just as mature as kids arguing over an imaginary game.
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back to the giant issue ….
sadly we know almost nothing about the One Piece world, are there different races of giants? different giant-tribes of one race? is this monster from the north considered a giant? The giants up to now had no horns like him ... Moria on the other hand has (tiny) horns - so might he be from the same race as this monster?Quite a while ago someone (Ivotas/Greg? - sorry don´t remember exactly) had the theory that Moria might be some sort of (spoiled) giant-kid. The more I see of him, the more I like the idea.
Perhaps some poor little kid that always got pushed around cause he was such a tiny whimp ... then got overprotected and spoiled by his mother ... and in the end ran away to a world where he thought to become the big man. (but still so insecure inside that he only can handle perfect slaves, like zombies) -
about that… when does giant stop beeing children? since their expected lifespan is >3 times that of a human are their childhood 3 times as long or do they mature at the same rate as humans?
the 2 giants at EL thought 100 years (a 3rd of their life) wasnt that long so im getting the feeling they are adults after about 15-20 years as well...and Brook has been aware of the devil in the florain triangle since his rudder was damaged (around when he was killed?) and hes been trapped in there for dacades.
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and Brook has been aware of the devil in the florain triangle since his rudder was damaged (around when he was killed?) and hes been trapped in there for dacades.
What do you mean by that? :wassat:
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I think by now its obivous Moria is just a large human like WB or the Mighty Destroyers… He is roughly their size. They aren't giants, if he is their size then neither is he. Giants are huge, you come up to their ankles against them if your lucky. The big humans, you come up to their knees.
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I was refering to the "Brook has been aware of the devil in the florain triangle" part. What devil are you talking about here?
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the devil Brook is refereing to. im assuming it is Moria but im not sure sice he doesnt tell.
or have i dreamed up that part of the script?
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If I hadn´t missed it somewhere he only uses the term demon/devil in context with the triangle which would be an usage in the sort of labeling a thing devilish instead of calling a person that way.
If I could it right, the kanji that got used for Florian Triangle can also be read as Devils Triangle or something of that sort. This demon/devil thing has always caused a bit of confusion everytime the name of this region gets brought into play.
Of course I might have skipped that part but the only devil person that I see to get mentioned in this chapter is Oz.
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Is there any other problem with the triangle except for Moria? i mean Brook has been in there for decades and the only noteworthy thing he encountered was Moria as far as we know.
Maybe Moria is the source of all the rumors? in which case it doesnt matter if the devil referes to Moria or to the triangle.
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Is there any other problem with the triangle except for Moria? i mean Brook has been in there for decades and the only noteworthy thing he encountered was Moria as far as we know.
Not much known about it, but it would be likely that the region has constant thick fog roaming around which could be the reason why Moria chose that area as "harbour" since it gives him quite a good cover. Of course it might be that he himself is the source for the fog but so far I rather go with the environmental idea.
Maybe Moria is the source of all the rumors? in which case it doesnt matter if the devil referes to Moria or to the triangle.
Of course Moria is the source of all the rumors. People disappear in the triangle and there´s hundreds of zombies at the same time. Where else do the shadows to power them all come from if not from those missing people? However it makes a difference if the devil refers to Moria or to the triangle because as long as nobody knows about Moria (which is practically everybody who has yet to get to Thriller Bark) you don´t necessarily imagine that it is a persons doing that ships disappear in that sea area. Usually in a superstitious world people expect ghost, curses or at least nature to be the reason behind all that.
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Not much known about it, but it would be likely that the region has constant thick fog roaming around which could be the reason why Moria chose that area as "harbour" since it gives him quite a good cover. Of course it might be that he himself is the source for the fog but so far I rather go with the environmental idea.
Of course Moria is the source of all the rumors. People disappear in the triangle and there´s hundreds of zombies at the same time. Where else do the shadows to power them all come from if not from those missing people? However it makes a difference if the devil refers to Moria or to the triangle because as long as nobody knows about Moria (which is practically everybody who has yet to get to Thriller Bark) you don´t necessarily imagine that it is a persons doing that ships disappear in that sea area. Usually in a superstitious world people expect ghost, curses or at least nature to be the reason behind all that.
If Moria is the cause of all rumors, there would logically not be any rumors if Moria wasnt there to cause them right? (didnt Kororo know something about ghosts in the triangle?)
what im saying is that there wouldnt be any reference to the dangers of the triangle if there wasnt any danger there. So
if he is the only danger it is likely Moria was there when the triangle started to be refered to as Devil if it doesnt refere to Moria already.The sea in GL are already trecherous so i find it somewhat unlikely that a specific triangle should be more dangerous somehow. Specificly when Moria sends people (he doesnt want to kill) out into it with damaged rudders.
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If Moria is the cause of all rumors, there would logically not be any rumors if Moria wasnt there to cause them right? (didnt Kororo know something about ghosts in the triangle?)
All I said is that before you don´t know what´s going on you can´t tell that a person is responsible for what´s going on in the Florian Triangle. Before that arc started all we knew is that ships disappear in that area, that´s all.
There´s plenty of assumptions as to what might be the cause of this (like sea kings, storms, whirlpools, ghosts, a curse etc.) that have nothing to do with expecting that a person is actually behind all this. Is that so hard to understand? Us readers NOW know, that Moria is the cause of it. But the characters of the OP world that only hear of the Florian Triangle without ever entering it have zero reason to expect that Moria is behind all that. Heck even the Strawhats didn´t find out until they´ve beat a couple of zombies and lost three crewmates first.
To make it short and simple. Moria is the reason for everything thats going on. But except for the people involved here (including the victims) nobody on earth knows about that. Is that really so hard to understand?
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No Ivotas i understand that… Im asking you: does it matter that noone knows what the real cause is?
without any danger there would not be any rumors. obviously there is no real danger to people that has already had their shadows stolen as they are shiped back off into the triangle.
-Moria has caused the rumors.
-Brook heard about the rumored dangers of the triangle (doesnt matter what the danger is supposed to be) decades ago.
-Thus Moria has been around in the triangle for decades.Is my point clear or are you going to try to explain to me that noone knows what is makeing ships dissapear in the triangle again even though i agree with you on that point?
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If it wouldn´t matter then why should Moria bother with doing all incognito? Of course it matters because until it is a mystery superstitious people will rather just try to avoid it instead of dealing with it. And as soon as it is widely known that it is Moria´s doing the WG will send troops there to take care of him. So yes, it does in fact matter.
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But the information given it seems that the WG would not interfere due to the only known crews moria captured were pirates. And that is the overall point of the shickibukai; to eliminate pirate threats in the name of the WG. Moria is well aware of this and uses it to execute such a plan.
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If it wouldn´t matter then why should Moria bother with doing all incognito? Of course it matters because until it is a mystery superstitious people will rather just try to avoid it instead of dealing with it. And as soon as it is widely known that it is Moria´s doing the WG will send troops there to take care of him. So yes, it does in fact matter.
…. am i really that unclear? we arent even discussing the same thing anymore. i honestly dont know your point and it seems you dont understand mine.
IF THE RUMORS ARE CAUSED BY MORIA, MORIA MUST HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY STARTED DECADES AGO! (i dont know how to be any clearer then this)
im argueing for how long Moria has been in the triangle nothing else.
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IF THE RUMORS ARE CAUSED BY MORIA, MORIA MUST HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY STARTED DECADES AGO! (i dont know how to be any clearer then this)
Ahh, finally I see your point. Judging that Hogback disappeared ten years ago to work for Moria only with the aim to see Oz reanimated I´d say that this marks the exact time when Moria started doing his thing.
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Intereasting enough we can work out from this Moria has been with the Shichibukai about a decade at least. Thats a bit more then the others introduced so far.
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Can we? how so? we dont really know if Morai was a shichibukai when he entered the triangle do we?
all i can read from this is that Moria has had his DF power for atleast 10 years. (wouldnt be much point in looking for corpses if he didnt)
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Can we? how so? we dont really know if Morai was a shichibukai when he entered the triangle do we?
all i can read from this is that Moria has had his DF power for atleast 10 years. (wouldnt be much point in looking for corpses if he didnt)
It would be rather silly if the WG sailed out to the Florian Triangle onto a ship full of zombies to ask him if he would want to join the Shichibukai.
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It would be quite silly if the WG didn't investigate mysterious disapearances there though, now would it?
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As we´ve seen so far the WG doesn´t seem to give a shit about the problems of the little people. The representatives of the kingdoms of Drum and Arabasta were good enough to be invited to discuss a matter (Dragon) that is a problem for the WG itself. But when those kingdoms have their own problems arise they didn´t seem to interfere much.
So unless there wasn´t a WG ship with super secret informations or weapons, the WG couldn´t care less to investigate the disappearances. Especially if you could expect reasons like environmental ones responsible for everything.
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It would be rather silly if the WG sailed out to the Florian Triangle onto a ship full of zombies to ask him if he would want to join the Shichibukai.
ah so Moria finished collecting all his "ledgendary flesh" 10 years ago before he met Hogback?
what if he makes yearly expeditions out from the triangle to collect new remains? or had any other reason for leaveing the triangle temporarily.
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I imagine someone may collect them for him. Maybe even the WG sine their presuming Hogback may be just studying them or something. Moria doesn't seem so secretive like Croc. Moria has to leave for meetings (if he bothers at all), so I can picture him occusionally leaving.
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But what tells us that Crocodile didn´t leave for meetings (if he aswell bothers at all) when he was still a Shichibukai? I mean being the boss of Baroque Works and acting as a loyal Shichibukai don´t rule each other out.
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I should have broken the meeting bit into a seperate paragraph… That was meant to be a different statement not linked to Croc.
Curse my bad English! :O
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Ivotas just reads too fast =P
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Which isn´t necessarily a good thing. :(
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But what tells us that Crocodile didn´t leave for meetings (if he aswell bothers at all) when he was still a Shichibukai? I mean being the boss of Baroque Works and acting as a loyal Shichibukai don´t rule each other out.
If any of them bothered to come fairly regularly when summoned, it was probably Crocodile. He had a carefully crafted public image in Alabasta and getting into an unnecessary dispute with the World Government would tarnish that image and might draw unwelcome attention to his activities.
Moria has little reason to care what people think of him and works in a secluded area anyway. So he's probably one of the Shichibukai that never shows up for anything.
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I doubt Moria is like Croc anyway, given his area in the Triangle and his 'you-do-it'-ness. Moria is likely part of the shichibukai who don't bother with the Government or Navy much.
Besides, if he did leave the zombies or possibly his subordiantes might try to stage a coup-de-tat, I doubt many of his subjects are willing ones. So Moria probably also needs to stay in the Triangle.
It's possible that Hogback or someone could act as a representative, as Lafitte represented Blackbeard.