she is so goth that she discovered she could do it one day when she was meditateing on the aspect of beeing very depressed?
probably a DF but it hasnt been confirmed yet.
just like Absoloms powers.
she is so goth that she discovered she could do it one day when she was meditateing on the aspect of beeing very depressed?
probably a DF but it hasnt been confirmed yet.
just like Absoloms powers.
Who said that? Seems like there's nothing stopping Moria from grabbing any shadow he wants. For one thing, Luffy's shadow clearly had clothes outlined on it, and the shadow from that dancer guy in the flashback had shoes. So, I see no reason for Moria to not gab inanimate objects shadows. Hell, that's probably part of his fighting style.
I didn't say he can't catch any shadow he wants. But, did I miss anything? I don't see clothes outlines from Luffy's shadow in the last panel..
We need to take into account, maybe Oda just changed his ideas in the last minute, changing Moria's original design. Maybe it's Moria's custom, yeah, but still.
About Luffy fighting Moria for Moria to have a fighting style:
I dunno, I'm not too sure. Moria might have got his bounty and Shichibukai level from different means, like his unique DF, and his huge army. Moria has so much powerful dudes, he sleeps for days, and he has plans to use formations with his army to have summoned his 3 loyal and strongest servants.
I'd believe Moria's defeat will be something along the lines of Enel's last scene, when Luffy crashes him into the Golden Bell.
Dunno if anyone catched it, but like I said before, I'm going with Usopp-Perona, Nami-Absalom [might switch between those 2] and Chopper-Hogback fights. Then Moria is about to finish Team Useless off when Luffy wakes up.
E~~ [man I'm having too much of those lately]:
@daniz:
Finally, AGAIN (sorry), I still have problem thinking of Moria DF's efficienty in a battle. How did Moria become a Schichibukai with such a relative powerless DF? I understand now he can be the big cheese in Triller Bark… but only there.
I said it before in this post - bounties and power do not equal strengh. Moria could be like a Crocodile, only his own power is ultimately making an army. Being weaker in combat but having better formations and plans using his huge and powerful army.
@Rai:
I didn't say he can't catch any shadow he wants. But, did I miss anything? I don't see clothes outlines from Luffy's shadow in the last panel..
It is hard to see something in the last panel but on the previous panel you can easily see the outlines from Luffy´s vest and shorts.
Since the shape of his head and teeth changed, my theory is that that's not Moria's real body. I'm pretty sure he's an actual giant.
did the shape of his head change?
the only thing above the waist i can make out in 449 is his hair, eyes and teeth adn the only thing that really changed is his teeth. (his due is horrible btw)
@Rai:
Dunno if anyone catched it, but like I said before, I'm going with Usopp-Perona, Nami-Absalom [might switch between those 2] and Chopper-Hogback fights. Then Moria is about to finish Team Useless off when Luffy wakes up.
What, you were serious about that? I thought you were joking.
I said it before in this post - bounties and power do not equal strengh. Moria could be like a Crocodile, only his own power is ultimately making an army. Being weaker in combat but having better formations and plans using his huge and powerful army.
Bounties aren't meant to be ignored either. They are a "strong hint" towards the owners power. We wouldn't have had his identity held off if Moria was OHKO-bait.
It is hard to see something in the last panel but on the previous panel you can easily see the outlines from Luffy´s vest and shorts.
Ooooh, I see I see. I take back what I said, Moria probably takes the shadows with no life too into the zombie.
Hmm, but Brooke did say the body's capabilities are fatal. So Zombie #900 shouldn't have any Gomu Gomu powers unless his body is capable of it, and same goes for Franky's zombie [if he will have one].
On another note, is it just me or the number of new threads at new chapters decreased too much? O_O
Seriously, It's been a long time since I last stayed in the Chapter Discussion thread.
E.. edit:
~onemoment: Nah, I'm serious. =D
I think it adds up fine into the pattern of older sagas no? What's your matchups then? :o
@Rai:
E.. edit:
~onemoment: Nah, I'm serious. =D
I think it adds up fine into the pattern of older sagas no? What's your matchups then? :o
Pattern? That's nothing like the pattern in the previous arcs.
Anyway, I wouldn't make a certain vs. list at this point, there are too many fighters. However, among the mysterious 3, Absolom is clearly Sanji's opponent. He tries to kidnap Nami and had beaten Sanji's weaker zombie form. That and, why would Abolsom attack Nami? It doesn't make sense.
Hogback vs. Chopper could work. Perona vs. Nami? I dunno. What about Lola? She's not just going to go away when she figures out that Nami tricked her.
As for the rescuing thing, why? It should already be implied that Moria is stronger then those three, so having Luffy rescue them isn't very suspensful unless Moria beat Sanji and Zoro first.
Pattern? That's nothing like the pattern in the previous arcs.
Anyway, I wouldn't make a certain vs. list at this point, there are too many fighters. However, among the mysterious 3, Absolom is clearly Sanji's opponent. He tries to kidnap Nami and had beaten Sanji's weaker zombie form. That and, why would Abolsom attack Nami? It doesn't make sense.
Hogback vs. Chopper could work. Perona vs. Nami? I dunno. What about Lola? She's not just going to go away when she figures out that Nami tricked her.
As for the rescuing thing, why? It should already be implied that Moria is stronger then those three, so having Luffy rescue them isn't very suspensful unless Moria beat Sanji and Zoro first.
Aww, stop crashing my ideas already. =(
Ah, by pattern, I meant Luffy getting delayed then appearing to beat the shit out of the boss.
Dunno, I think Sanji won't have the chance to fight Absalom. Sanji's unconcious and prisoned while the 3 are gonna be found out soon. But yeah, I forgot Absalom won't attack Nami, so I'm switching to Usopp. =D
@Rai:
Aww, stop crashing my ideas already. =(
Ah, by pattern, I meant Luffy getting delayed then appearing to beat the shit out of the boss.
Dunno, I think Sanji won't have the chance to fight Absalom. Sanji's unconcious and prisoned while the 3 are gonna be found out soon. But yeah, I forgot Absalom won't attack Nami, so I'm switching to Usopp. =D
Well, I get that pattern. However, I'm assuming that Sanji and Zoro will be back before such a thing happens. If fights started to break out at this meeting then the arc would be climaxing already.
I also think that Absolom is Usopp next opponent. Absolom seem overpowered, and he can become invisible :-) Usopp will again suffer…
I don't see Hogback as a fighter, he may use some medical technique to kill his opponents, he is a perfect match for Chopper.
And Perona will fight Nami.
At least, I hope that the "weak weak team" will have to defeat the mysterious ones :-) While the strongest (Robin, Francky, Brook) will take care of the rest of the army by "purifying" them. Don't know about Zoro, Usopp and Luffy, unless Brook is leading Robin and Francky to the place where they must be retained...
I also think that Absolom is Usopp next opponent. Absolom seem overpowered, and he can become invisible :-) Usopp will again suffer…
I don't see Hogback as a fighter, he may use some medical technique to kill his opponents, he is a perfect match for Chopper.
And Perona will fight Nami.At least, I hope that the "weak weak team" will have to defeat the mysterious ones :-) While the strongest (Robin, Francky, Brook) will take care of the rest of the army by "purifying" them. Don't know about Zoro, Usopp and Luffy, unless Brook is leading Robin and Francky to the place where they must be retained...
Historically that's just wishful thinking. The weak weak team will do something cool and awesome that's totally underrated and doesn't involve beating the strongest opponents in the arc, meanwhile Sanji and Zoro will beat the two strongest opponents as usual.
At least, the rest of the crew, Robin, Franky, Luffy, etc, won't be put to "busy work" while those guys get all the glory. That's not the One Piece way–everyone gets their part.
Well, I get that pattern. However, I'm assuming that Sanji and Zoro will be back before such a thing happens. If fights started to break out at this meeting then the arc would be climaxing already.
Well, I had the impression this arc isn't as long as, say, Skypiea, when the boss appears after 10 chapters and takes out Luffy on the same chapter.
Things are pretty nice right now, nothing is confusing and everything is under control [by the means of, everyone pretty much understood what's happening].
Climaxing should start in at most 5 chapters in my opinion. Actually, I can't see another wording to what should happen from next chapter. O_O
@Rai:
Well, I had the impression this arc isn't as long as, say, Skypiea, when the boss appears after 10 chapters and takes out Luffy on the same chapter.
Things are pretty nice right now, nothing is confusing and everything is under control [by the means of, everyone pretty much understood what's happening].
Climaxing should start in at most 5 chapters in my opinion. Actually, I can't see another wording to what should happen from next chapter. O_O
Partly true, but we still have some more things to make clear before the end game happens.
-Hogback. What's his deal? Does he have some reason that he moved to the Florian triangle?
–Cindry. I think that room filled with pictures might something.
--Brooke. I don't think we have the whole story behind this guy yet. What exactly happened the last time he went to Thiller Barke?
--Zombie 900--Well, someone has to get this things shadow away from Luffy.
--In fact, there's also the matter of freeing Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. They're opponents, whoever they are, have to stay alive so they can fight them.
It will take me some time to get used to the design of Moria's head…..
...but yay Zombie Luffy!
Partly true, but we still have some more things to make clear before the end game happens.
-Hogback. What's his deal? Does he have some reason that he moved to the Florian triangle?
–Cindry. I think that room filled with pictures might something.
--Brooke. I don't think we have the whole story behind this guy yet. What exactly happened the last time he went to Thiller Barke?
--Zombie 900--Well, someone has to get this things shadow away from Luffy.
--In fact, there's also the matter of freeing Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. They're opponents, whoever they are, have to stay alive so they can fight them.
Yeah, Hogback, Cindry and Brooke were the ones who made me say 5 chapters. Then I kinda took the chance those might clear up between and in the middle of the fights, so I think it's somehow possible the climax is close.
Zombie #900 should be made next chapter or the one after it, since nothing really can stop it now when Brooke and Co. are pretty far away and Team Useless won't move, they don't know about the zombie deal yet.
Hogback and Cindry should be cleared together, I think, they're connected alot.
At least, we can be sure Brooke is not related to Cindry.
..Or not.
About freeing Sanji and Zoro - I doubt it's gonna be urgent, because as far as we were given clues the shadows disappear when owner dies. The problem is Sanji, since, if translated right, Moria didn't believe he caught the right dude. At least, I believe Moria will be busy enough with Team Useless, not to mention he's just gonna get informed Brooke's in town. ^^
Did you notice that luffy's armour disappears after he is catched by Perona. Why did they take it off??
Also no one mentionned the talk about brides between Hogback, Perona and Absalom.
And last but not least, is Oda making fun of Kishimoto by giving Moria a laugh which goes like "kishishishishi" (haha this isn't serious)
@Faaip:
Did you notice that luffy's armour disappears after he is catched by Perona. Why did they take it off??
Also no one mentionned the talk about brides between Hogback, Perona and Absalom.
And last but not least, is Oda making fun of Kishimoto by giving Moria a laugh which goes like "kishishishishi" (haha this isn't serious)
Maybe the armour stands in the way? Not to much, but, say, Luffy with the armour on moves differently than Luffy with no armour, so same goes for the shadow?
And we said this before about the fights between the Mysterious 3. It existed with Baroque Works, the 4 Priests and CP9, and was always a huge weakness. It'll happen again this arc when the SHs team up and crash Moria's moto. =P
Hay guys, my internet's broken and I gotta respond from the university library, which is why I can't post a translation yet. You've all read the Martigan translation anyways, right? I don't have the time to read through all posts in this thread too, so I don't know if it has been mentioned already, but "King of the Depths" is pretty much wrong. It irritates me to read it in the thread title.
Basically, "Ôka Shichibukai" (王下七武海) has been all along the complete term for the Shichibukai. It's not a title that Moria exclusively holds. Literally it should mean something like "the seven fighting seas below the king", in case it's not an abbreviation for a much longer term, that is.
So, can we change the thread title please? : D
I don't know if someone already mentioned this, or shares the same sentiments, but..
Moria looks freaking ugly, much more butt ugly than I thought he would look like.
Sorry for being so random.
Anyway it might actually be true that Moria's power comes from controlling others, possibly the only way too (if you discount his huge body which could pack a quite a punch). At the page where you first get to see his full (ugly) face,it says underneat his title "likes others to do things for him; favourite quote: do it for me!" or something like that.
But then again, this is one piece. Anything can happen.
I agree with Archtyrant. Gecko Moria's face looks like something out of a weird transvestite horror flick or something. Anyway, it's the type that makes kids afraid of clowns.
Great chapter.
Brook's past is interesting.
Also, Gekko Moria's power looks awesome.
But I can't believe Luffy got his shadow stolen.
My theory is that Luffy will get saved by Brook and then Brook and Luffy will fight against Gekko Moria together.
Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.
Hay guys, my internet's broken and I gotta respond from the university library, which is why I can't post a translation yet. You've all read the Martigan translation anyways, right? I don't have the time to read through all posts in this thread too, so I don't know if it has been mentioned already, but "King of the Depths" is pretty much wrong. It irritates me to read it in the thread title.
Basically, "Ôka Shichibukai" (王下七武海) has been all along the complete term for the Shichibukai. It's not a title that Moria exclusively holds. Literally it should mean something like "the seven fighting seas below the king", in case it's not an abbreviation for a much longer term, that is.
So, can we change the thread title please? : D
Wait a second, so what is the full title? Ôka Shichibukai Gecko Moria?
Also, the stitches on Moria's head. That almost proves that that's not his real body. Perhaps Hogback made it as a safeguard?
Also, the stitches on Moria's head. That almost proves that that's not his real body. Perhaps Hogback made it as a safeguard?
Why the hell do the stitches contain any proof that this isn´t Moria´s real body? For almost a decade, before this arc started, all the stitched scars that appeared in the pirate world of One Piece everybody just took those things for scars and now out of a sudden because we´re having a spooky themed arc every stitch is an indication for fake bodies. Sometimes a scar is just a scar. Why don´t you hobby Inspector Clueso´s don´t just accept it?
the stitches could be because brook managed something (very painful to Moria) last time he was here… doesnt need to mean his body is fake (but i hope to god it does)
Edit: Ivotas: its called hope. i will never loose my hopes... NEVER!
Why the hell do the stitches contain any proof that this isn´t Moria´s real body? For almost a decade, before this arc started, all the stitched scars that appeared in the pirate world of One Piece everybody just took those things for scars and now out of a sudden because we´re having a spooky themed arc every stitch is an indication for fake bodies. Sometimes a scar is just a scar. Why don´t you hobby Inspector Clueso´s don´t just accept it?
Probably because Moria's stitches don't look like the regular skin stitchings we've seen before. Take another look at them; they do look like they're holding something together other than ripped tissue.
I am a bit disappointed. No, not in Moria's appearance. It's just… I think this arc is almost over... 20 more chapters at most I'd say. Look, almost all the major villains are already revealed and the fights are about to begin. Ah well, it was a good arc. I guess Oda wants to get to fishmen island soon.
Edit: this just came into my head. Have people forgot about Mario? He was a zombie taht Hogback was creating earlier. He was named so he must be pretty strong. I know he isn't number 900 he is in the 700s or something. but still, anyone else think he might play a major villain role?
we havent forgotten about 741. he's discussed by me and pass the rootbeer in the stickied thread character name FAQ.
he wasnt named, mario was refereing to marionette or puppet.
Oh, I see. Well, he is probably just a zombie general then. Seeing as he is in around 700s.
"Marionette" is 741
Highest Soldier Zombie seen is 767 (a Graveyard zombie being hit by franky in the 2 page spread)
Lowest Zombie General is 824 (long haired zombie general wearing shorts)
it seems that:
1-200 = Wild Zombies
200-400 = Suprise Zombies
400-800 = Soldier Zombies
800-900 = Zombie Generals
S1-S500= SpiderMice
900=Special Zombie
I don't know if someone already mentioned this, or shares the same sentiments, but..
Moria looks freaking ugly, much more butt ugly than I thought he would look like.
Sorry for being so random.
Anyway it might actually be true that Moria's power comes from controlling others, possibly the only way too (if you discount his huge body which could pack a quite a punch). At the page where you first get to see his full (ugly) face,it says underneat his title "likes others to do things for him; favourite quote: do it for me!" or something like that.
But then again, this is one piece. Anything can happen.
Hmm, you should look at the spoiler thread and see that everyone pretty much share the same opinion about him. =O
Nonetheless [sp?], His design is still awesome.
~Moria:
Zombie Generals are between #800-#899, he's somewhere else. [Argh, Gorlom beat me to it.]
I'd go with saying he's gonna be Franky's zombie, but I don't think Franky's zombie will be stolen.
But anyways, I'm not surprised you're disappointed at this arc.. you mentioned it so many times already.
Someone else mentioned earlier that since Jigorouh was shown in flashback he was very important. I think Brook was just giving a picture of legendary people since he was saying "he resurrects legendary people." I really don't think he will play a big part besides being Zoro's opponent.
What if Moria puts luffy shadow into his self ? Is that even possible ?
so HE becomes zombie 900? what happens to him if Luffy dies then? (on the assumption that shadows dissapear when their original owner dies)
would that kill him as well? so he cant defeat luffy because he would ultimately defeat himself if he did… would luffy sacrifice himself to return the shadows of his friends?
thats just going to become strange, and besides he doest like to be doing things when he can make others do it for him.
Hey, do you remember those zombies dancing like the Mickael Jackson on "Thriller" song ? Now we now where it comes from, it's from the guy who was captured at the same time than Brook ! Maybe will learn sometime that he was named "Jackson" something :-D
Edit: arf, about Moria: his power may allow him to turn any shadow - even from objects - into solid elements so when Luffy (or someone else) will try to punch him, his way will be obstructed by hard shadows. But Moria may also take a hit from Luffy's shadow, imagine a "giant punch" done with his shadow :-)
While I think the solution will be to fight in total darkness so Moria won't be able to catch any shadow…
I can't see that happening, seeing how Luffy has no shadow now.There will be something else that we haven't thought of. Remember "awa awa" washing away strength? I'm counting on Moria's shadow moving independently from his body and the Strawhats having to pay attention to both opponents in order to fight him.
Someone else mentioned earlier that since Jigorouh was shown in flashback he was very important. I think Brook was just giving a picture of legendary people since he was saying "he resurrects legendary people." I really don't think he will play a big part besides being Zoro's opponent.
I really doubt Jigourou will be a serous opponent for Zoro, considering that right now he is just a weaker version of Zoro with the same skills. It'd be like Sanji vs. Wanze or Luffy vs. Bleuno.
Ryuma has a better chance, as his only appareance hasn't been a joke.
…or Brooke, the real strongest swordsman on the island.
who is stronger? Brook or Ryuuma?
Brooks shadow which animates Ryuuma is just a copy of Brooks soul which would insinuate that Ryuuma is supposed to be weaker.
But according to Brook "When a strong shadow is fused with a strong body an even stronger warrior is born."
Maybe Zoro will just fight random zombie generals I guess. Cuz right now, no real opponents for Sanji and Zoro are set up.
The "weak weak trio" will save every1.
I was thinking, where do they keep the bodies of the living? Then I rememberd how the old man in the grave yard who told Yuffy about gecko. He didnt have a shadow, this means he couldnt be a zombie. I belive he's Brooks friend who he saw get his shadow captured from Moria. I think its quite plausable, and the way Oda works with connecting characters would fit this quite well.
Oh dear, the forest is full of shadowless non-zombie people. The only thing that those guys have in common with Brook is that they suffered the same fate of having the shadow stolen by Moria. That alone doesn´t make them companions.
What do we really know about Brooks past?
-His crew was annihalated "decades" ago. He died along with it, his only "confirmed" death.
(- Assumption: Before his death Brook knew about the "devil in the florian triangle". (im makeing this assumption as he knows about it in skeletal form, even though he doesnt meet many people during this time. He could probably have escaped the triangle if he met someone) )
-5 years ago is brooks first interaction with said devil.
(- Assumption: He walks around and presumably gets captured pretty quick after makeing certain observations.)
-His shadow is stolen and somehow (very unclear) he gets away.
-He ends up with some people in the same situation as him which makes him able to make the observation about direct sunlight.
(- Assumnption: Moria does not kill people whos shadow he has stolen, therefor Moria did not kill Brook or any of his friends)
Wow. Gecko is spooky but I kinda like his style. Good work Oda.
Maybe Zoro will just fight random zombie generals I guess. Cuz right now, no real opponents for Sanji and Zoro are set up.
…Absolom? The pervert who likes kidnapping Nami and beating Dogpen? It seems kind of obvious seeing as all of Sanji opponents except maybe Satori have mocked either Nami or Robin before being KOed.
Harm Nami=Sanji will kick you.
…Absolom? The pervert who likes kidnapping Nami and beating Dogpen? It seems kind of obvious seeing as all of Sanji opponents except maybe Satori have mocked either Nami or Robin before being KOed.
Harm Nami=Sanji will kick you.
Well, I thought of that, but if the "weak weak" trio are going to fight the mysterious 3. Chopper vs. Hogback. Usopp vs. Perona. Nami vs. Absalom. Nami versus Absalom would like prove Nami doesn't like him. if the weak weak trio doesn't work out then Sanji will fight Absalom, Nami against Lola.
Well, I thought of that, but if the "weak weak" trio are going to fight the mysterious 3. Chopper vs. Hogback. Usopp vs. Perona. Nami vs. Absalom. Nami versus Absalom would like prove Nami doesn't like him. if the weak weak trio doesn't work out then Sanji will fight Absalom, Nami against Lola.
Well, again, I doubt that Absolom will hit Nami. Also, the way Nami hurt Absolom last time was kind of similar to the way Sanji gets owned by Nami sometimes. So, while sometimes Oda can be unpredictable, Absolom vs. Sanji seems like a sure bet to me.
Meanwhile, Lola seems like a good match up for Nami. She's obviously not that strong, yet hates Nami. But who knows.
She doesn't hate Nami.
She doesn't hate Nami.
Not at the moment, but she's bound to find out Nami isn't a transvestite.