Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 2 2005, 08:58 PM
I'm busting on you Jeopardy Sean Connery style. Don't sweat it bro
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I said sorry, What do you want me too say? No offense but giving you excuses will not help.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 2 2005, 08:58 PM
I'm busting on you Jeopardy Sean Connery style. Don't sweat it bro
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I said sorry, What do you want me too say? No offense but giving you excuses will not help.
I said sorry, What do you want me too say? No offense but giving you excuses will not help.
:blink: uuuuuuuum….. is your first language English? I'm being serious because I know we have an International crowd here what I just said wasn't mean or insulting nor could it be interpreted that way. Quite the opposite. I was referring to the sentence
Eat it and like it joe.
Which is essentially a rip off of Sean Connery's character on Jeopardy.
Hey joekido the Second, "Don't sweat it bro" is not offensive, it's like "don't worry". You said you were from Colorado, so I was wondering your first language too.
Originally posted by Jacobo@Mar 2 2005, 09:52 PM
Hey joekido the Second, "Don't sweat it bro" is not offensive, it's like "don't worry". You said you were from Colorado, so I was wondering your first language too.
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"Sign" My spelling sucks often. I'm born in California, I stayed for one year, moved to Georgia and stayed for one year AGAIN…. To South Carolina for one damn year and FINALLY to Maryland and I stayed in that damn state for 8 years untie I was 11, and I moved to Colorado whance I stayed since then. So English is my frist langugues, the problem is, my Grammer is So-So and my spelling is seconary so when I misspelled a word does not mean that is rigth word. So excuse me whatever I misspelled or when my grammer sucks. -_-'''' sorry again
It's ok. Just double check your words after you write them because I'm sure you can catch a few mistakes.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 2 2005, 09:49 PM
**> I said sorry, What do you want me too say? No offense but giving you excuses will not help.:blink: uuuuuuuum….. is your first language English? I'm being serious because I know we have an International crowd here what I just said wasn't mean or insulting nor could it be interpreted that way. Quite the opposite. I was referring to the sentence
Eat it and like it joe.
Which is essentially a rip off of Sean Connery's character on Jeopardy.
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Oh, Ok. I got your point :)
Mods, just delete this panel
Originally posted by joekido the Second@Mar 3 2005, 01:17 AM
So English is my frist langugues, the problem is, my Grammer is So-So and my spelling is seconary so when I misspelled a word does not mean that is rigth word.
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I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but if you have trouble spelling the various words of and following the grammatical rules of a particular language, then how exactly are you fluent in that language?
Originally posted by Ubiq+Mar 2 2005, 10:31 PM–>QUOTE(Ubiq @ Mar 2 2005, 10:31 PM)
Originally posted by Brave Warrior@ Captain Usopp,Mar 2 2005, 08:25 PM
**Honestly, I don't know about the rest of you, but changing a letter in Zoro's name, while stupid, doesn't really change the fact that its One Piece. I read One Piece to read an awesome story about a group of fun loving pirates and all of the other stuff that happens in the story. The fact that a letter in one of the character's names is changed is not going to make it all of sudden no longer One Piece.But hey, if you like One PIece because of his name is "Zoro" and the name of Luffy's fruit has those u's on the end, then I guess Viz does suck and is horrible. I'm not saying I agree with what they've done, but I don't think its that big of a deal compared to what people like 4Kids, Nelvana, and Saban do.
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They started with Zoro, so they should end with Zoro… y'know what I mean.
It's the thought that VIZ is following 4kids, that bothers me. If 4kids do not like something that happens in one of "their" titles that VIZ make in manga form, VIZ will change it.
Also, I feel that if you buy the VIZ version, that you are supporting the name"zolo".
So I can't buy it. (I don't know anyone that wants to buy One Piece more than myself.) That is why it hurts for them to change it. I can't buy it... not until it is fixed.
If you buy VIZ's version, then fine. All I can do is let people know what is changed in VIZ's manga and then the reader(s)can decide whether or not they still want that title. It is up to you.
Maybe I'll start a thread called,"The Edits of VIZ."
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro+Mar 3 2005, 07:26 AM–>QUOTE(Roronoa Zoro @ Mar 3 2005, 07:26 AM)
Ugg. No more. Can't…take......the...stupidity........................dies
Why are you people still yakking about the changing of Zoro's name. You people are like old naggy housewives who constantly bring up the time she caught you staring at your sister in-law's legs at the 4th of July party in '98.
Just shut yer traps. Or complain to Viz. They want to hear from you. Wanna know why?
They want your money.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 3 2005, 09:26 AM
Maybe I'll start a thread called,"The Edits of VIZ."
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That would be cool.
**Ugg. No more. Can't…take......the...stupidity........................dies
Why are you people still yakking about the changing of Zoro's name. You people are like old naggy housewives who constantly bring up the time she caught you staring at your sister in-law's legs at the 4th of July party in '98.**
You know what's even stupider?
Changing the name 2 YEARS INTO THE STORY. THAT'S what
pissed off so many people, not the "L", the L showing up after they called him Zoro for 2 years did it.. It's called being consistant.
Better than changing his name in the middle of the series, say, vol 20. They even took their effort to re-edit first four volumes, so just shut up. If you don't like, don't buy it.
I'm sure if Oda was here, he'll just love the difference between the languages and buy all the volumes. (I'm sure they're given to him for free though.) Oda doesn't care, why would you care?
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 3 2005, 07:21 PM
**Better than changing his name in the middle of the series, say, vol 20. They even took their effort to re-edit first four volumes, so just shut up. If you don't like, don't buy it.I'm sure if Oda was here, he'll just love the difference between the languages and buy all the volumes. (I'm sure they're given to him for free though.) Oda doesn't care, why would you care?
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I just wanted to give him the facts.
To tell the truth, I really don't care. I'm just buying the Japanese version and using scripts. I just don't want anyone misinformed.
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 3 2005, 07:21 PM
**Better than changing his name in the middle of the series, say, vol 20. They even took their effort to re-edit first four volumes, so just shut up. If you don't like, don't buy it.I'm sure if Oda was here, he'll just love the difference between the languages and buy all the volumes. (I'm sure they're given to him for free though.) Oda doesn't care, why would you care?
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Oceanizer…do you buy the english version of One Piece by VIZ?? If so, do YOU read it.
Saying "just be happy it is in English" is the same as saying just be glad 4kids dub One Piece in English. They both suck and have major problems.
Why would Oda care, he has the Japanese version at his local bookstore with the name Zoro in it and no westernizations in the text. Oda has no reason to complain. Do I... yes, I do. You might not know, but it is a BAD thing to reprint the first 4 volumes with the name zolo. VIZ are trying to smack everyone that knows his name is Zoro in the face, not to mention eliminate Zoro from America. It truly is a sad, sad thing.
BTW, my "Edits by VIZ" thread will be starting in a couple days in the other manga/anime section for those interested.
You know, I didn't like the fact that they changed Zoro to Zolo and some other things Viz has been doing (especially the fact that they lied about Zolo), but the more people complain about Viz, the more I'm inclined to agree with some people that it's not that big a deal.
This whole thread lately makes me want to go out and buy about fifty copies of each One Piece volume Viz has released so far.
It's like the frickin' DBZ Otaku Alliance… well, maybe not quite that bad.
Now you're just making fools of yourself. Roronoa Zoro, Nami. You're doing nothing to persuade people against Viz - far from it, you actually seem to be convincing them to SIDE with Viz. If you want to get through to people, I would suggest, perhaps, that you drop the otaku personas you're showing to the world. You're just putting on an air of… ignorance, I believe.
... Just a friendly suggestion. I support you two in your convictions 100%, but the way you're showcasing your opinions seems a little... I don't know.
Mods: If this is considered spam (I may be a moderator at SA, but I'm still not 100% sure if this is spam or not), or flaming, then feel free to delete it with my sincere apologies.
As to my current views... Viz's Shonen Jump division may be headed up by a bunch of lying bastards, but some of their titles are quite excellent. Remember, like... omae, was it? said, the employees of Viz have families to feed as well. Don't penalize them for Viz's stupidity.
Funimation started off crap, and now they are doing better, due to complaints. 4Kids started off crap and now although they are still crap they are at least releasing uncut Dvds due to complaints. Shonen Jump started off good(for a year and a half), now its crap and we will complain until they do the same thing as the aforementioned companies. :(
I won't buy from VIZ until they release the REAL One Piece.
Originally posted by Nami@Mar 4 2005, 02:57 PM
Funimation started off crap, and now they are doing better, due to complaints. 4Kids started off crap and now although they are still crap they are at least releasing uncut Dvds due to complaints. Shonen Jump started off good(for a year and a half), now its crap and we will complain until they do the same thing as the aforementioned companies. :(
Don't buy from VIZ until they release the REAL One Piece and any other titles. (Excluding Legendz, cause it's for kids and it sucks anyway. lol)
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You seem to have missed the part about the employees. What about the lower-level people at Viz? Don't they deserve at least SOME recognition for the work they did? Their translations are, with the exception of "Zolo" and lack of strong language (that last part is debatable), pure excellence.
Originally posted by Nami@Mar 4 2005, 03:24 PM
VIZ are to manga what 4Kids are to anime. :(
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I really don't see how that's a fair comparison at all.
If Viz never existed, then I don't see manga being as big in this country as it is right now. Dark Horse would still have been around, but they focused on a much, much more narrow range of titles. Odder things like Ranma and Lum wouldn't have made the cut.
But had 4Kids never existed, I still think Cartoon Network and their various partners insure the success of anime in the United States. Even before moving to cable, Dragon Ball Z was the highest rated children's show on television before they started repeating the same episodes over and over again.
Originally posted by GoAnderson@Mar 4 2005, 04:00 PM
Their translations are, with the exception of "Zolo" and lack of strong language (that last part is debatable), pure excellence.
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Do you read Naruto??? 'Cause the characters attacks are renamed, Neji says "Bucolic Nonentities", also "Moe Howard", Naruto says, "Cussedness is in my style" etc, etc.
Do you think a 12 year old like Naruto would ever use the word cussedness??
And what kinda satellite does Neji have that he knows who "Moe Howard" is??
Do Naruto and co. watch The Three Stooges?? :lol:
If it was some sort of cultural joke in the original that would require too much space, then, it makes sense to change that.
"Cussedness", though? That is stupid, I'll admit - but it isn't a strong enough reason to stop buying the translations altogether, I don't think.
I agree with whoever said this - we've been spoiled by Inane and the other scanlation groups with [Insert name here] no Jutsu. I think the names are perfectly fine; the only one I can recall that I have a problem with is "Art of the Doppelganger" when it refers to the Shadow Clones. Or did they make that "Art of the Shadow Doppelganger/Clone" yet? I forget, and I'm too lazy to look back. =3
Originally posted by GoAnderson@Mar 4 2005, 04:17 PM
I agree with whoever said this - we've been spoiled by Inane and the other scanlation groups with [Insert name here] no Jutsu. I think the names are perfectly fine; the only one I can recall that I have a problem with is "Art of the Doppelganger" when it refers to the Shadow Clones. Or did they make that "Art of the Shadow Doppelganger/Clone" yet? I forget, and I'm too lazy to look back. =3
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That is True. While some of the name translations are good, others like "Art of the Valentine" and "Art of me and my Shadow" are getting out of hand. But names like "Ninja Centerfold" instead of Sexy no Jutsu are fine.
Originally posted by Nami@Mar 4 2005, 02:24 PM
VIZ need to start an uncut line of manga. (preferably RAW
Uh…. that really defeats the purpose and is pretty lame.
Originally posted by GoAnderson@Mar 4 2005, 04:17 PM
If it was some sort of cultural joke in the original that would require too much space, then, it makes sense to change that.
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Neji originally called Lee a jerk, the reason VIZ changed the word jerk to " The boy with the Moe Howard look" is beyond me. The Hyuuga Clan must have some pretty high-powered satellite or something so that they can view the "Three Stooges" in Konoha.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro+Mar 4 2005, 05:07 PM–>QUOTE(Roronoa Zoro @ Mar 4 2005, 05:07 PM)
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 4 2005, 09:11 AM
**Oceanizer…do you buy the english version of One Piece by VIZ?? If so, do YOU read it.
Saying "just be happy it is in English" is the same as saying just be glad 4kids dub One Piece in English. They both suck and have major problems.Why would Oda care, he has the Japanese version at his local bookstore with the name Zoro in it and no westernizations in the text. Oda has no reason to complain. Do I... yes, I do. You might not know, but it is a BAD thing to reprint the first 4 volumes with the name zolo. VIZ are trying to smack everyone that knows his name is Zoro in the face, not to mention eliminate Zoro from America. It truly is a sad, sad thing.
BTW, my "Edits by VIZ" thread will be starting in a couple days in the other manga/anime section for those interested.
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Unfortunately I don't buy English version of One Piece since I'm not that frantic about it as you. Though, I do buy English version of some series that I'm frantic about (I have Japanese Tanko, Bunko, art book, another story, Japanese scan on my comp, AND English version published by VIZ; you see how much I love the series) and I have no complain to VIZ even though there're probably more edits than One Piece. The story is about NYC gangster and Mafia, so go figure, there're much more offensive languages, expressions, middle fingers, bloods, murders, etc. And yes, I do read it and that's how I study my English (expressions) recently.
Let me tell you, I don't care how much VIZ edit the manga, since I'm happy about the fact the title is licensed in N.A. and more people get to read the manga and know the greatness of Manga. Otherwise, Manga wouldn't have come to the States.
Talking about legality, scanlation is illegal as well as putting up translation like how Stephen and I do. (I did receive a letter from Japanese company asking to take down their title or else they'll sue me for it. I took it down. And that was for not-licensed title in N.A.) I don't think Shuei-sha cares about it much, but if that happens, even though I don't know how much fluent in Japanese you are, the only legal and probably the best way for you to appreciate One Piece to the full extent is to read VIZ's version. Am I rigiht? (I'm replacing myself the other way around; I've been living in the States for 8 years, but I still sometimes don't get detailed English expression correctly. And I believe Japanese is harder to learn than English.)
So think that if we function in legal way. Nobody would translate nor scanlate Manga and put them up on the net. So what will be the chance you'll be reading the Manga as well as many others? Very few. Now aren't you happy that Shuei-sha and VIZ let us do something illegal for a while so that you are exposed to the greatness of One Piece?
And Oda cares because he's the creator of One Piece. Who would not care about his own creation? Remember what Tom said? Oda is the only one who has right to complain about anything that VIZ edits on their own. Oh, and maybe Shuei-sha. The name Zoro / Zolo doesn't matter in Japanese since English spelling doesn't come out so often. Writing Zoro/Zolo in Japanese are EXACTLY same.
And… If I may add... One Piece edit is nothing compare to Tenjo Tenge by DC Comics. I mean TJTG is good for the nakedness. If they cover the nakedness with bra and panties, then what's good about it? :P
Most of Viz's "edits" are for language,(example sanji's rude words are translated as "crap" , "eat worms" or "darnit" or such other PG-13 type curses. While a fansuber or scanlator uses shit or fuck.)and names (Zoro/Zolo,Jaquille/Drackule).
But have they realy changed anything storywise?
Did Kunia fall into a "coma"?
Did Zoro spray "sweat" when he was cut by Mihawk?
Were their names changed to Larry,Natali and Zack?
Did Zoro ever once ask for fruit juice?
Face facts people if it wasn't for Viz no one in America but the hardest of the hardcore outoku would even know what One Piece was. (I know I wouldn't.)
If you believe that no anime or manga at anytime should be licenced for American release then that is your belief.
Just know that you are a selfish elitist with serious deluesions about the nature of business.
But its about as likely as the whole world switching to organic farming and going Vegen on the same day.
Idealogical,impractical and impossible.
Do you think that everyone who might enjoy One Piece has acess to an cheap easy way to get it?
Because unless you import it direct from its leagal owners in Japan and read and speak fluent Japanese its gonna be illeagal.
Illeagal as in stealing.
Now I download KF fansubs and will continue to do so untill 4kids changes it's ways and goes belly up, but I subscribe to Viz's Shonen Jump.
Because they do a good job. Not a great job but they listen and they give their customers what they want.
While we'er on the subject of sudden name changes in the last to issues they started changeing their ridiculous translations of jitsu names Back to the original Japanese.
And without any warning either. How awful. :lol:
Zolo is a stupid name, and the attack names and some of the dialogue in Naruto is bad, but you know what? The story isn't affected by it. Its still there, and that's what makes those two manga so great. Comparing Viz to 4Kids is laughable, Viz may do some stupid things, but for the most part it isn't THAT bad, the story is maintained,as is the severity of situations, character development, death, and other things.
Call me when Viz's Sanji has a lolipop, they take out the blood, and do things like that.
You know what? Naruto giving the finger in that scene doesn't even make sense given what it means in America. He just randomly sticks out his middle finger. I'm not losing sleep over these changes.
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 4 2005, 06:35 PM
And Oda cares because he's the creator of One Piece. Who would not care about his own creation? Remember what Tom said? Oda is the only one who has right to complain about anything that VIZ edits on their own. Oh, and maybe Shuei-sha. The name Zoro / Zolo doesn't matter in Japanese since English spelling doesn't come out so often. Writing Zoro/Zolo in Japanese are EXACTLY same.
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It's been said before. It would be the same name(zolo/zoro), but Eiichiro Oda and Shueisha sometimes write his name in English, and it IS Zoro.
Saying that "Writing Zoro/Zolo in Japanese are EXACTLY same" and that "Oda does not care", is like saying that Luffy is exactly Rufi, Robin is exactly Lobin, and Usopp is exactly Liarpp,(did I mention that Sanji can translate into Threeji), and also that Oda wouldn't mind these names. Just because they can translate that way does not mean that Oda prefers it that way or that it is right. Can you answer why VIZ would change Zoro's name after two years?? and also why VIZ would lie every time you ask them why they changed Zoro's name(every time I ask VIZ why, they give me a different response after I disprove their previous reason.)
Zoro just happens to be my favorite character. If VIZ would have started with the name Zolo, it would not be as big a deal, but look, they started with Zoro, then for some unknown reason change his name as if the fans do not realize that it is changed. Before November 2004, I was a huge VIZ fan. I bought many of their products. By changing Zoro's name, it makes VIZ look sketchy, and made me start contemplating whether it was worth buying their products anymore. Through doing so, I've spotted many edits in their series and began thinking,"Is it even worth liking these titles if I'll never be able to see them in their proper ways." Then it hit me, buy the Japanese version. That way I will accomplish two goals:
1. I will be able to see my favorite manga it its original format with no edits outside of Japan.
2. I will learn how to read Japanese.(This is a huge thing for me to do. Oceanizer, I know that you said Japanese was a hard language to learn, but that'll make it more fun, right??) Also, I've began Japanese basics, and to me it is alot easier than English. Hiragana and Katakana are always pronounced in only 1 way(Example: a is always pronounced "ah", u is always pronounced "eww", Yui is always pronounced You-ee,etc. In English one word can be the same as theother(so,sew….do,dew....two,to,too,etc.) and vowels can be pronounced in many different ways. In Japanese, vowels are always pronounced one way, and that, is great.
Some titles by VIZ are very well translated. To let you know a few: Rurouni Kenshin, TPOT, Bleach, and a few others.
So at the bottom line what I want to say is that if you want to buy VIZ's version of a title because you can't get (or don't want) it in Japanese, fine. I understand.
Just because I can't buy it in English doesn't mean that you shouldn't.
My conscience will not let me buy VIZ's One Piece past volume 4(unless they fix it.).
If you want it, buy it, I won't stop you. It is your choice.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 5 2005, 08:57 AM
So at the bottom line what I want to say is that if you want to buy VIZ's version of a title because you can't get (or don't want) it in Japanese, fine. I understand.
Just because I can't buy it in English doesn't mean that you shouldn't.
My conscience will not let me buy VIZ's One Piece past volume 4(unless they fix it.).
If you want it, buy it, I won't stop you. It is your choice.
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I choose not to buy it as well. That is, until it is fixed.
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 2 2005, 08:20 PM
Hmmm. I've been following WJ titles ever since I was in Jr. high (even though I had probably 4 years of blank in between when I was in college). That's more than 10 years ago. Honestly, WJ titles lately aren't… :x I used to read most of the titles in WJ, but now I only read less than half of it. Just my opinion on WJ.
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What do you mean??
What titles in the current Weekly Jump do you personally think are good?? :huh:
I'd like to know. :mellow:
http://store.viz.com/product/GNVVV0046/b.ONEPIECE/s.N7JOd5Ch
how come it says Zoro on there? Does anyone know a way I could e-mail Viz and put in my 2 cents? <_<
Originally posted by Nefy@Mar 6 2005, 04:25 PM
**http://store.viz.com/product/GNVVV0046/b.ONEPIECE/s.N7JOd5Chhow come it says Zoro on there? Does anyone know a way I could e-mail Viz and put in my 2 cents? <_<
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… Well, I'll be. It DOES say Zoro. Wasn't expecting that. Maybe it was a typo... ?
Then again, the 'l' and the 'r' are pretty far apart... This would seem to bode well for the future.
Well, I'll be dipped. Every time Zoro's name appears in those descriptions of Viz's One Piece graphic novels, it reads "Zoro" and not "Zolo".
I'm curious if this is a mistake, an act of laziness to change everything, or a chance to remove a cruicial piece of arguement for the people that want the CEO of Viz's head on a platter.
EDIT: Probably a mistake since the same description of Volume 3 is the description of Volume 4.
If they change his name back to Zoro and reprint (AGAIN!!!) the first couple of volumes (and #5 + #6) with the correct name… Hell yeah, I'd buy 'em again.
I'm willing to live and let live if they start using the correct name again. I can ignore the lack of cursing, and as long as they don't edit anything out, then I'd be more than happy to buy the American version. And, the tanks too.
Well!! All I can do is hope.
Edit: Mistake? DAMN... I hope not.
Originally posted by Nefy@Mar 6 2005, 05:25 PM
**http://store.viz.com/product/GNVVV0046/b.ONEPIECE/s.N7JOd5Chhow come it says Zoro on there? Does anyone know a way I could e-mail Viz and put in my 2 cents? <_<
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They probably have Zoro's name on their site so that people will buy it. It is false advertising to have Zoro's name on the product when the product does not have Zoro's name on or in it.
Here's the address you can e-mail to give your two cents about VIZ editing Zoro's name:
If there are enough complaints, they might fix Zoro's name in the graphic novels.
At least you can try.
If VIZ do fix Zoro's name, I personally, will buy two copies of each graphic novel of One Piece by VIZ and I will dance every time a new graphic novel is released by VIZ. I also will begin buying all of their other titles I like again as well.
If VIZ fix Zoro's name I will have no complaints about their products. Because fixing Zoro's name would show that they care about the fans
Yhea but heres another problem.
Where Usopp's Gallery Pirates?
**It's been said before. It would be the same name(zolo/zoro), but Eiichiro Oda and Shueisha sometimes write his name in English, and it IS Zoro.
Saying that "Writing Zoro/Zolo in Japanese are EXACTLY same" and that "Oda does not care", is like saying that Luffy is exactly Rufi, Robin is exactly Lobin, and Usopp is exactly Liarpp,(did I mention that Sanji can translate into Threeji), and also that Oda wouldn't mind these names. Just because they can translate that way does not mean that Oda prefers it that way or that it is right. Can you answer why VIZ would change Zoro's name after two years?? and also why VIZ would lie every time you ask them why they changed Zoro's name(every time I ask VIZ why, they give me a different response after I disprove their previous reason.)
Zoro just happens to be my favorite character. If VIZ would have started with the name Zolo, it would not be as big a deal, but look, they started with Zoro, then for some unknown reason change his name as if the fans do not realize that it is changed. Before November 2004, I was a huge VIZ fan. I bought many of their products. By changing Zoro's name, it makes VIZ look sketchy, and made me start contemplating whether it was worth buying their products anymore. Through doing so, I've spotted many edits in their series and began thinking,"Is it even worth liking these titles if I'll never be able to see them in their proper ways." Then it hit me, buy the Japanese version. That way I will accomplish two goals:
1. I will be able to see my favorite manga it its original format with no edits outside of Japan.
2. I will learn how to read Japanese.(This is a huge thing for me to do. Oceanizer, I know that you said Japanese was a hard language to learn, but that'll make it more fun, right??) Also, I've began Japanese basics, and to me it is alot easier than English. Hiragana and Katakana are always pronounced in only 1 way(Example: a is always pronounced "ah", u is always pronounced "eww", Yui is always pronounced You-ee,etc. In English one word can be the same as theother(so,sew….do,dew....two,to,too,etc.) and vowels can be pronounced in many different ways. In Japanese, vowels are always pronounced one way, and that, is great.Some titles by VIZ are very well translated. To let you know a few: Rurouni Kenshin, TPOT, Bleach, and a few others.
So at the bottom line what I want to say is that if you want to buy VIZ's version of a title because you can't get (or don't want) it in Japanese, fine. I understand.
Just because I can't buy it in English doesn't mean that you shouldn't.
My conscience will not let me buy VIZ's One Piece past volume 4(unless they fix it.).
If you want it, buy it, I won't stop you. It is your choice.**
Yes, I can see that Oda cares so much that he apparently isn't even saying anything.
Saying that "Writing Zoro/Zolo in Japanese are EXACTLY same" and that "Oda does not care", is like saying that Luffy is exactly Rufi, Robin is exactly Lobin, and Usopp is exactly Liarpp,(did I mention that Sanji can translate into Threeji), and also that Oda wouldn't mind these names. Just because they can translate that way does not mean that Oda prefers it that way or that it is right.
But he certainly enjoyed it when he found out other languages changed the spellings. Please refer to one of his SBS in One Piece tanko. Or you never knew this fact since you never bought/read Japanese tanko?
Can you answer why VIZ would change Zoro's name after two years?? and also why VIZ would lie every time you ask them why they changed Zoro's name(every time I ask VIZ why, they give me a different response after I disprove their previous reason.)
I don't work for VIZ, so I wouldn't know why they would do that. I already put my speculation about it in old forum, and I don't intend to waste my time going through that again. But let me ask you. What do you gain out of all this time you spent comparing Japanese and English? To prove how much you love One Piece? Why do you go so negative when you want to show how much you love One Piece? If I were you, I would just all forget about VIZ and concentrate on Japanese one. Concentrate so much that you memorize all the bubbles. (I used to do that for my favorite series.) Or you could have extra hour studying for Japanese. At least you'll gain something from doing that. Complaining about VIZ edits (like the "VIZ edits" thread you were mentioning about) wouldn't do anything good to you, would it?
2. I will learn how to read Japanese.(This is a huge thing for me to do. Oceanizer, I know that you said Japanese was a hard language to learn, but that'll make it more fun, right??) Also, I've began Japanese basics, and to me it is alot easier than English. Hiragana and Katakana are always pronounced in only 1 way(Example: a is always pronounced "ah", u is always pronounced "eww", Yui is always pronounced You-ee,etc. In English one word can be the same as theother(so,sew….do,dew....two,to,too,etc.) and vowels can be pronounced in many different ways. In Japanese, vowels are always pronounced one way, and that, is great.
Yeah, wait until you get to Kanji part. And reading (pronounciating) the characters isn't that bad. Bad part is having polite form, normal speech, humble form, male/female difference, dialects and such. And Manga has so many references to everywhere and you wouldn't understand some of them unless you lived in Japan or very familiar with Japanese culture.
So at the bottom line what I want to say is that if you want to buy VIZ's version of a title because you can't get (or don't want) it in Japanese, fine. I understand.
Just because I can't buy it in English doesn't mean that you shouldn't.
My conscience will not let me buy VIZ's One Piece past volume 4(unless they fix it.).
If you want it, buy it, I won't stop you. It is your choice.
If you're not going to keep buying, then why do you have to keep bitching at VIZ's edits? Look at omae or me, we never bought (actually I don't know about omae) and we don't say anything about it. It's just… waste of time and effort complaining about something you don't like.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro4real@Mar 5 2005, 04:43 PM
What do you mean??
What titles in the current Weekly Jump do you personally think are good?? :huh:
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I meant… Probably I'm not really in target age group of WJ.
I follow Kochi Kame, Bleach, and One Piece weekly, and follow HxH and Waq in Tanko. I read Yuuto and Neuro since they both just started, and giving them some time before I decide whether to continue, stop, or read in bulk later.
Complaining about VIZ edits = telling other people how VIZ sucks = telling people not to buy, or at least indirectly discouraging it = less people buy VIZ's One Piece = less sales = much less licensing $$ goes into Oda's pocket = not really supporting Oda to the fullest.
Not buying VIZ's One Piece but not saying anything = your choice and only affect you and smaller potion of licensing $$.
All I can say about the process of American manga adaptation is that unless you have the exact same people doing the translating, retouching, rewriting, editing, and quality checking, you cannot make any assumptions about how it will turn out. It doesn't matter what company it comes from or what line of graphic novels it's sold in; it all comes down to who's working on it.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 2 2005, 05:00 PM
I've always wondered where he got Tubifex from
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Example: http://www.j-talk.com/nihongo/search/kanji…h.php?pick=6955
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 7 2005, 02:16 AM
**I meant… Probably I'm not really in target age group of WJ.
I follow Kochi Kame, Bleach, and One Piece weekly, and follow HxH and Waq in Tanko. I read Yuuto and Neuro since they both just started, and giving them some time before I decide whether to continue, stop, or read in bulk later.Complaining about VIZ edits = telling other people how VIZ sucks = telling people not to buy, or at least indirectly discouraging it = less people buy VIZ's One Piece = less sales = much less licensing $$ goes into Oda's pocket = not really supporting Oda to the fullest.
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I thought you liked Death Note?? :huh:
And anyways, I believe that downloading manga is not really supporting Oda to the fullest, cause Oda gets nothing but fans off of downloads. :(
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 6 2005, 09:26 PM
Yes, I can see that Oda cares so much that he apparently isn't even saying anything.
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Strangely, he's right. I find that funny. :lol:
Originally posted by Nami+Mar 7 2005, 07:29 AM–>QUOTE(Nami @ Mar 7 2005, 07:29 AM)
Oda dosen't care, he finds it funny what other people name the characters.
Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 7 2005, 02:49 PM
Oda dosen't care, he finds it funny what other people name the characters.
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What would he think if he knew that some people that wanted to buy One Piece couldn't because of changed names. It might be a laughing matter for Oda, but that's because he knows that VIZ cannot change his actual work in Japan.
VIZ changed Oda's work to go along with 4K!ds(the most hated company in anime), and 4K!ds butcher the animation and give characters cheese accents to make kiddies laugh. The marketing for One Piece in America is sad. One Piece deserves much, much better. If One Piece were marketed to its fullest potential, it could be as big as DBZ was.
In order for One Piece to be popular, VIZ and 4K!ds must listen to the people that actually want to watch/read it. When will VIZ/4K!ds learn not to market One Piece to American 4-year olds?? They do not like One Piece.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro@Mar 7 2005, 12:26 PM
What would he think if he knew that some people that wanted to buy One Piece couldn't because of changed names. It might be a laughing matter for Oda, but that's because he knows that VIZ cannot change his actual work in Japan.
People couldn't buy because of the name change? What kind of reasoning is that? Buying or not buying is a choice that you made, not you were forced to do. Like omae said, is somebody pointing a gun at your head not to buy it?
In order for One Piece to be popular, VIZ and 4K!ds must listen to the people that actually want to watch/read it. When will VIZ/4K!ds learn not to market One Piece to American 4-year olds?? They do not like One Piece.
And for some strange reason, I believe there're only less than 1/100 people of the entire One Piece audience who still complain about Zoro/Zolo name change. Other people just moved on.
Too bad Roronoa Zoro skipped my entire reply two posts ago. I wanted to see his/her response to mine :P I'm bored.
Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro+Mar 7 2005, 03:26 PM–>QUOTE(Roronoa Zoro @ Mar 7 2005, 03:26 PM)
Originally posted by oceanizer@Mar 7 2005, 02:16 AM
**But he certainly enjoyed it when he found out other languages changed the spellings. Please refer to one of his SBS in One Piece tanko. Or you never knew this fact since you never bought/read Japanese tanko?Yeah, wait until you get to Kanji part. And reading (pronounciating) the characters isn't that bad. Bad part is having polite form, normal speech, humble form, male/female difference, dialects and such. And Manga has so many references to everywhere and you wouldn't understand some of them unless you lived in Japan or very familiar with Japanese culture.
If you're not going to keep buying, then why do you have to keep bitching at VIZ's edits? Look at omae or me, we never bought (actually I don't know about omae) and we don't say anything about it. It's just… waste of time and effort complaining about something you don't like.**
To answer the first question:
I am not up to that SBS corner yet.
Now the reason I complain is because I want to buy the English version so much.
But because VIZ changed Zoro's name after two years with no reason, and because everytime I ask VIZ why they changed Zoro's name they lie to me, I cannot buy the English one from VIZ anymore(unless they fix it).
I don't think Eiichiro Oda would find people boycotting and illegally downloading his manga funny. Now would he?? Oda would rather have VIZ fix One Piece and have people legally buy it, than he would people such as DirectManga.com making illegal money off of his work without giving a cent to him.
I like One Piece so much that I am willing to spend my money on importing all of the novels. Nonetheless, I will/would buy the English version in conjunction with the Japanese version if VIZ fix Zoro's name. All I can do is hope that they do. :)
Everyone I know in my town that likes English One Piece cannot buy it because of Zoro's name being changed. We like One Piece so much that we cannot support it when it is pointlessly changed/edited.
Now to make you happy, Oceanizer, I will end my complaints about the English One Piece manga on this thread as of this post. I will only bring it up if someone asks me what I think. Now be happy. However, I will reserve the right to complain about VIZ if they do anything else major.
Just remember that if VIZ fix Zoro's name, I will be buying two copies of each novel.
That'd be great. B)