Say people, do you say the Spider Monkey got Sunny and Mini Merry?
I was sure of it till secs ago when I reread the chapter, Luffy's coffin [cuffin?] is covered with the same spider rope that catched Sunny.
However, Spidy was surprised to see Luffy getting caught already, so that rules him out I think.
Maybe he said what he said because Oda wanted him to be more badass, and now it's a plot hole?
I'd go with the theory it's not him, yeah. Just imagine the giant dude who did it!
Chapter 452: "Jigoro of the Wind" Discussion
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The Spider Monkey is soooo overrated! He'll probably get destroyed next chapter in like 5 pages
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Helps lieju glare at franky. ARACHNID! ITS AN ARACHNID!
Thanks for your help. I am certain, that if enough people disapprove, he will change his ways. Wanna join my "Spider-monkey-for-the-next-new-nakama" -movement?
I'm sure that Purin-Purin died. When Hatchan and the others wrecked his ship, he and his subordinates got by the whirlpool and vanished. The Tsugemere Squad is a group of four strong Alabasta soldiers who tried to defeat Crocodile.
I still don't think we have sufficient evidence of Purin-purin's death. He could have survived somehow. Like Dinty just said, people have survived worse in this manga.
Ah, so Tsugemere squad were those guys who drank that water that was supposed to kill you? I think we can be fairly certain they died.
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This is an interesting idea also, and I like it a lot – but I still want to see things like boiga previously suggested, where someone with a non-sretchy body tries to do a GomuGomu and loses an arm in the process, etc.
In an anime filler (G8) a marine uses an extendo boxing glove to mimic luffy.
maybe hogback finds a mechanical solution to mimicing the rubber powers?Lieju: well its not my first choice but hell yeah i want to join a movement that lets me glare at fictive people because of their ignorance ^^
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Here's something I don't understand: Why doesn't the removal of shadows drain the life of those that Moria sucks it from? It brings life to the dead, so naturally, it should take life from the victim. Brooke, however, seems extremely full of life and vigor, despite having his shadow taken. The old man appeared to more listless, as would be expected.
When we find Zoro and Sanji, will they be like Brooke, still full of life and vigor, or like the old man; that is, worn out, tired, exhausted.
And is Cindry's BODY the plate thrower that got killed by her fiance? Or is the shadow that's in Cindry that person? Because it's possible that the actor and the plate thrower are two different people.
I like the idea of the spider-monkey being TS. The Klabautterman proved that ships in One Piece have souls.
And, I'm gonna go ahead and say it: Moria has the Kage Kage no Mi. So how does it work, exactly?
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@Fire Fist:
Here's something I don't understand: Why doesn't the removal of shadows drain the life of those that Moria sucks it from? It brings life to the dead, so naturally, it should take life from the victim. Brooke, however, seems extremely full of life and vigor, despite having his shadow taken. The old man appeared to more listless, as would be expected.
I don't see why losing your shadow would necessarily have to lead to lifelessness, even though the zombies could be animated that way. Maybe the shadow is just a one thing that is needed to reanimate a zombie? And losing your shadow does make you a bit like undead, since you can't go to the sun…
EDIT: I guess the guestion is, does Moria steal shadows, or the ability to cast a shadow? And if he takes the shadow, what is it exactly in One Piece world? In our universe, shadows are just places, where the objects blocks the light.
And would TS have a soul yet? I thought it was something that only ships that have been loved got, and TS is still a new ship.
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I don't see why losing your shadow would necessarily have to lead to lifelessness, even though the zombies could be animated that way. Maybe the shadow is just a one thing that is needed to reanimate a zombie? And losing your shadow does make you a bit like undead, since you can't go to the sun…
EDIT: I guess the guestion is, does Moria steal shadows, or the ability to cast a shadow? And if he takes the shadow, what is it exactly in One Piece world? In our universe, shadows are just places, where the objects blocks the light.
And would TS have a soul yet? I thought it was something that only ships that have been loved got, and TS is still a new ship.
Let me understand this Kage Kage no Mi theory.
If what it is happening to the SH's crew is the same that happened to Brook (aka stolen shadow) then we might say that all of them are safe somewhere, full of life and ready to battle. I mean, Brook kept all his abilities after he lost his shadow! Hence for the SWs will be the same. So then what's the deal? You just have zombies acting like the SWs. Is it what we are talking about? I mean, from this situation the worst think that can happen to the SWs is the sun getting in Triller Bark.
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@Fire Fist:
Here's something I don't understand: Why doesn't the removal of shadows drain the life of those that Moria sucks it from? It brings life to the dead, so naturally, it should take life from the victim. Brooke, however, seems extremely full of life and vigor, despite having his shadow taken. The old man appeared to more listless, as would be expected.
Brook's DF makes him a big exception, as he's cheery despite a ton of physical problems, maybe the least of which being missing his shadow. He's also been shadowless for a while, so he may have gotten some vigor back. He and the others can still die extremely easily though, so maybe it's part of their life that's been taken.
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[…] He and the others can still die extremely easily though, so maybe it's part of their life that's been taken.
How (Besides the sun)?
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Let me understand this Kage Kage no Mi theory.
If what it is happening to the SH's crew is the same that happened to Brook (aka stolen shadow) then we might say that all of them are safe somewhere, full of life and ready to battle. I mean, Brook kept all his abilities after he lost his shadow! Hence for the SWs will be the same. So then what's the deal? You just have zombies acting like the SWs. Is it what we are talking about? I mean, from this situation the worst think that can happen to the SWs is the sun getting in Triller Bark.
Do you think is like that? I don't.They might be incapacitated some other way.
I am not saying that theory is wrong, just that we don't know for sure how losing your shadow effects you (We don't know what Brook was before he lost his shadow, or if his DF power makes a difference), and that I don't see any reason they would have to be lifeless.
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They might be incapacitated some other way.
I am not saying that theory is wrong, just that we don't know for sure how losing your shadow effects you (We don't know what Brook was before he lost his shadow, or if his DF power makes a difference), and that I don't see any reason they would have to be lifeless.
Indeed I was agree with you. I think as well that that theory is wrong.
Anyway, we do know stealing shadows does not steal the DF's abilities (since Brook had his ability after his shadow has been stolen). Maybe it can copy DF's abilities but definitely no taking them away from the user body.Coffins make me think: why Name&Co's coffin was moved by the squirrels while Luffy´s (and MAYBE Zoro and Sanji) was moved by a funicular. That's wierd. Different destinations?
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no i dont think so
team strong fought the generals behind the mansion and team usochonami were also in that destination, right?
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Let me understand this Kage Kage no Mi theory.
If what it is happening to the SH's crew is the same that happened to Brook (aka stolen shadow) then we might say that all of them are safe somewhere, full of life and ready to battle. I mean, Brook kept all his abilities after he lost his shadow! Hence for the SWs will be the same. So then what's the deal? You just have zombies acting like the SWs. Is it what we are talking about? I mean, from this situation the worst think that can happen to the SWs is the sun getting in Triller Bark.
Do you think is like that? I don't.Meaning that they might end up fighting agaiist themselves :) (or better the zombies with the same abilities)
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A couple of other notes:
I've cracked the zombie number code: #1-199 are "creature zombies," #200-399 are "surprise zombies," #400-799 are humanoid zombies, and #800+ are General Zombies. There is no relation between power and number inside of these categories. A regular zombie #767 got pwned as easily by a Franky strong right as did a regular #408. See the other thread for more details.
To once again repeat my alternative to the potential kage kage cliche naruto ripoff fruit, I'll say again that Moria has the WINDOW WINDOW FRUIT.
First of all, the frame of Moria laying down in his play room shows that his skin and clothing are absolute black with the exception of repeated window motifs on his pants and belt. The window motifs have to be a big clue as to the nature of his power.
EDIT: Here's a link to that page: http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/onepiece449.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11382Second of all, the ability to redirect light from one spot to another could very easily remove the ability of a person to have a shadow or be seen in a mirror but still be visible to the human eye. If the window covering the body were designed to reflect all light being seen by people but no other angles of light this would be the case.
Third: the powering of the zombies could be worked by one simple process: solar powered batteries. The light that is now passing directly through the victims bodies would be redirected to the resurrected zombie's battery, charging it up in the same manner that an electrical current charges a rechargeable battery. In order to keep the current of light flowing, the light passes out of battery into another window on the formerly shadowed side of the victims body.
This is why the victims of shadow stealing are left alive to act as solar generators for the zombie batteries. The fact that these batteries only have a limited amount of juice in them at a given time explains the lack of zombie running endurance. Also, the frying in direct sunlight could be caused by a battery overload that incinerates both the zombie and the victim because of the feedback from the overcharged battery.
What this theory DOES NOT explain is the personality transfer, but neither does the kage kage caca or any other theory that I've heard of so far.
@Dinty, yeah I realized it was a flashback within the coverstory, but that's always a fun argument to bring up. People feel so strongly about whether Oda kills people or not.
Also, kudos for realizing the brown tree snake reference. I'll have to look up that comic of yours at some point.
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I really hope to see Franky and Robin fight this giant spider. It looks like a cool opponent for those two. But, I forgot about the general behind them. It looks like they'll have to escape, huh? Well, if that were the case then what purpose would the spider serve later in the story? I'm sure there's plenty, I just can't think of any.
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A couple of other notes:
I've cracked the zombie number code: #1-199 are "creature zombies," #200-399 are "surprise zombies," #400-799 are humanoid zombies, and #800+ are General Zombies. There is no relation between power and number inside of these categories. A regular zombie #767 got pwned as easily by a Franky strong right as did a regular #408. See the other thread for more details.
To once again repeat my alternative to the potential kage kage cliche naruto ripoff fruit, I'll say again that Moria has the WINDOW WINDOW FRUIT.
First of all, the frame of Moria laying down in his play room shows that his skin and clothing are absolute black with the exception of repeated window motifs on his pants and belt. The window motifs have to be a big clue as to the nature of his power.
Second of all, the ability to redirect light from one spot to another could very easily remove the ability of a person to have a shadow or be seen in a mirror but still be visible to the human eye. If the window covering the body were designed to reflect all light being seen by people but no other angles of light this would be the case.
Third: the powering of the zombies could be worked by one simple process: solar powered batteries. The light that is now passing directly through the victims bodies would be redirected to the resurrected zombie's battery, charging it up in the same manner that an electrical current charges a rechargeable battery. In order to keep the current of light flowing, the light passes out of battery into another window on the formerly shadowed side of the victims body.
This is why the victims of shadow stealing are left alive to act as solar generators for the zombie batteries. The fact that these batteries only have a limited amount of juice in them at a given time explains the lack of zombie running endurance. Also, the frying in direct sunlight could be caused by a battery overload that incinerates both the zombie and the victim because of the feedback from the overcharged battery.
What this theory DOES NOT explain is the personality transfer, but neither does the kage kage caca or any other theory that I've heard of so far.
@Dinty, yeah I realized it was a flashback within the coverstory, but that's always a fun argument to bring up. People feel so strongly about whether Oda kills people or not.
Also, kudos for realizing the brown tree snake reference. I'll have to look up that comic of yours at some point.
A good theory.
Now, allow me to put some merit into the Kage Kage no Mi theory:
1. First of all, metaphorically speaking, a shadow is a copy of oneself. It's not entirely oneself, but it reflects your personality, your actions, your behavior. So copying the shadow over to another person would essentially give them a copy of your personality.
2. The shadow absorbs sunlight, therefore without one, you'd incinerate (simple logic, but this is a manga).
3. The shadow is not a direct reflection of your life energy, so taking it would not remove your vigor or energy.
It's fairly simple in its application, but it works.
Btw, your number theory doesn't work. Hildon is Humanoid, but he's 21 (an obvious reference to the Eyeshield 21 character). Cindry is probably in the lower numbers, too.
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Boiga, I like your theory. It fits in the world of One Piece (where things tend to have sciense-like explanations) better then just saying that shadows are taken and put into zombies and that's it. It's magic.
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well hildon isnt humanoid at all times.. hes a bat at times too.
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I know fire fist, both the kage theory and the window theory have merit at this point, but the shadow theory is the simplest and therefore more likely.
I just share the same reservations with it as lieju. It's too… magical for one piece. All of the other devil fruit powers so far manipulated real world physical phenomena: combustion, aridity, freezing, gravity, electricity, weight, friction, etc. This kind of "shadow" ability doesn't fit into those parameters particularly well. I have to admit, if the shadow theory does end up being accurate, I'll be more than a little disappointed about the direction of One Piece. The Darkness power was so great and this would be such a big step back.
@Fire Fist:
Btw, your number theory doesn't work. Hildon is Humanoid, but he's 21 (an obvious reference to the Eyeshield 21 character). Cindry is probably in the lower numbers, too.
Oh, all the "creature zombies" have humanoid parts. The trees have human limbs, the it's a lion lion #37 has a human's face, most of them have humanoid legs or arms etc. Hildon fits in well with that group with his bat wings and flying ability.
Whether Cindry belongs to the "surprise zombies" or the "humanoid zombie soldiers" is up for speculation considering that she is right at the border.
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So, does the Spider Monkey have a name? Weren't we calling him Araran at some point, or was that fake?
Well, either way, here's hoping he gets pwned in the next chapter!
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Nobodyman: think someone wrote the japanese letters in english somewhere in this thread and also rocksmock said what he called the spider monkey
Bogia: i think you are reading too much into the pattern on morias pants. isnt it just a common fabric pattern inspired by the patterns on scottish kilts?
I cant really see it working as a window to divert energy, it would be kinda too special and tailored to moria beeing dependant on hogback. would be pretty useless in a fight too imo.
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Am I looking at things too deeply? Probably, but one of the fun things about this manga is that deep analysis occasionally proves fruitful.
You're right that a checker pattern is fairly common. However, that is not just a checker pattern. It's pure white on pure black and check out the legs: doesn't that look reminiscent of the pattern of light from a window in a dark room being distorted when it hits a surface at a different angle?
Also, there are many many vary dangerous potential uses for a fruit like this: a window fruit could cause blindness, focus light from many sources into a heat beam, distort vision to make himself disappear, make his attacks invisible, bluff attacks using mirages, heat up the ground to baking temperature, create hypnotic visions, etc. Hell, the entire fight could occur in a distorted kaleidoscope of light from different colors taken from different shades of window. Or it could occur in pitch black where the only one who can see will be moria.
The power of windows is the power of light and darkness. If this is moria's power then the bigger question is how luffy will be able to beat it.
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The power of windows is the power of light and darkness. If this is moria's power then the bigger question is how luffy will be able to beat it.
youre asking about if luffy will win or not?
what kind of question is that?if it in pitch-black darkness, luffy will use his instinct, like he used agaisnt mr. 3
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lets not forget the door door fruit so a window window fruit could be it
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Am I looking at things too deeply? Probably, but one of the fun things about this manga is that deep analysis occasionally proves fruitful.
You're right that a checker pattern is fairly common. However, that is not just a checker pattern. It's pure white on pure black and check out the legs: doesn't that look reminiscent of the pattern of light from a window in a dark room being distorted when it hits a surface at a different angle?
Also, there are many many vary dangerous potential uses for a fruit like this: a window fruit could cause blindness, focus light from many sources into a heat beam, distort vision to make himself disappear, make his attacks invisible, bluff attacks using mirages, heat up the ground to baking temperature, create hypnotic visions, etc. Hell, the entire fight could occur in a distorted kaleidoscope of light from different colors taken from different shades of window. Or it could occur in pitch black where the only one who can see will be moria.
The power of windows is the power of light and darkness. If this is moria's power then the bigger question is how luffy will be able to beat it.
ok the window powers just became more interesting =) it is a lot of things to be derrived from just "window" fruit =P
i still don't belive it but i think it would be a funny ability.
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Moria uses the power of giants to take shadows!…or not. I dunno, I just don't feel like another DF this arc.
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What you feel like is irrelevant. It's what Oda feels like that matters.
I'm with boiga on this one. Window Window all the way. Even though it's possibilites for fighting styles make a logia look like crap. Even if a logia gives you immunity to certain physical attacks.(I'll laugh if Moria has all the powers that boiga described, but shatters like glass when you hit him)
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Am I looking at things too deeply? Probably, but one of the fun things about this manga is that deep analysis occasionally proves fruitful.
You're right that a checker pattern is fairly common. However, that is not just a checker pattern. It's pure white on pure black and check out the legs: doesn't that look reminiscent of the pattern of light from a window in a dark room being distorted when it hits a surface at a different angle?
Also, there are many many vary dangerous potential uses for a fruit like this: a window fruit could cause blindness, focus light from many sources into a heat beam, distort vision to make himself disappear, make his attacks invisible, bluff attacks using mirages, heat up the ground to baking temperature, create hypnotic visions, etc. Hell, the entire fight could occur in a distorted kaleidoscope of light from different colors taken from different shades of window. Or it could occur in pitch black where the only one who can see will be moria.
The power of windows is the power of light and darkness. If this is moria's power then the bigger question is how luffy will be able to beat it.
Okay, you just proved that your theory is wrong. Or rather not entirely right.
Like it was said just a few posts above, do you remember the Door Door DF? It was EXTREMELY limited to touch.
The DF you just gave is pretty much limitless for too much dangerous stuff. Blueno and many more Paramecia Users, were limited to use their DF only with touch [Foxy is a little different (see next sentence)].
Even a Logia wouldn't be able to do what you said, right? He needs to extend his reach to have any effect.The DF is not so dangerous now, but it is still possible if Moria struggles enough, with his huge body it should be harder though [if the effect is limited to touch by hand].
Aye, just wanted to point that out. ^^
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So, the opponent's shadow is reflected SO much, that it just goes away?
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Don't know if anyone did this or not, but I made a list of all the zombies with numbers on them. I'll need a bit of help on a few.
21=Hildon
28=Garden zombie: bear/unknown creature
36=Garden zombie: kangaroo-zebra
37=Zombie lion
42=Zombie unicorn
52 or 62=Garden zombie: monkey-rabbit
61=Garden zombie: fox-lion
63=Garden zombie: elephant-gorilla
69=Lion with Absalom's face
82=Cerberus
83=Garden zombie: panda/unknown creature
15?=Garden zombie: donkey-monkey
153=Zombie snake
193=Zombie cat
256=Jack in the box
298=Oinkchunk
408=Graveyard zombie
476=Graveyard zombie
629=Graveyard zombie
741=Frankenstein creature (forgot the name)
860=Zombie General
874=Zombie General
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@Pass:
Don't know if anyone did this or not, but I made a list of all the zombies with numbers on them. I'll need a bit of help on a few.
21=Hildon
28=Garden zombie: bear/unknown creature
36=Garden zombie: kangaroo-zebra
37=Zombie lion
42=Zombie unicorn
52 or 62=Garden zombie: monkey-rabbit
61=Garden zombie: fox-lion
63=Garden zombie: elephant-gorilla
69=Lion with Absalom's face
82=Cerberus
83=Garden zombie: panda/unknown creature
15?=Garden zombie: donkey-monkey
153=Zombie snake
193=Zombie cat
256=Jack in the box
298=Oinkchunk
408=Graveyard zombie
476=Graveyard zombie
629=Graveyard zombie
741=Frankenstein creature (forgot the name)
860=Zombie General
874=Zombie General
889=Large Zobmie Generalbetter suited in http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=12759 imo
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I didn't see any numbers on the ZGs.
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first armored zombie they encounter (the one tradeing punches with franky for a few pages) has 847 tatooed on his right arm. (page 5)
in the spread (page 10) the guy farthest to the left got 824 just below his left elbow and the big elephantcentaur got 889 on his chest, right side. the 2 animal zombies on the right side got 876 and 831 tatooed on their chests.
Jigoroh got 850 on the right side of his neck (page 14)
random ZG that pours a bucket of water on himself (page 15) got 880(or 860?) on his left side just above the waist.in the "whats with the numbers?" thread we are assuming that 800+ indicates zombie general.
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Wait, with the water thing, would a ZG die if they caught on fire, regardless of the armor?
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@Impel:
Wait, with the water thing, would a ZG die if they caught on fire, regardless of the armor?
the armors aren't moveing by themselves. there seems to be zombies inside the armors as we can see scarred tissues between the armor parts, and if they burn they die.
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@Rai: You're right of course that Moria would be limited to only altering windows (or shadows) within touching distance. However, the windows would have to be permanent changes like Walpol's transformations in order for the shadowless to stay as such for so long. So, all he would have to do is alter the walls, himself, the ceiling, the air etc. within touching distance and he could still potentially perform all the acts I described before.
You're also right that if he did have that level of ability, Oda would add a weak spot or two to make sure he was only amazingly horrendously powerful and not all powerful.
@Pass the Rootbeer: you missed a couple I'll add them in bold to the ones you already have:
! @Pass:
! > Don't know if anyone did this or not, but I made a list of all the zombies with numbers on them. I'll need a bit of help on a few.Creature zombies:
21=Hildon
28=Garden zombie: bear/unknown creature also the mustachioed bipedal hippo has the same number
36=Garden zombie: kangaroo-zebra the second man-tree in the forest also has this number.
37=Zombie lion
42=Zombie unicorn
52 or 62=Garden zombie: monkey-rabbit
54=the other monkey rabbit
61=Garden zombie: fox-lion
63=Garden zombie: elephant-gorilla
69=Lion with Absalom's face
82=Cerberus
83=Garden zombie: panda/unknown creature
15?=Garden zombie: donkey-monkey
115= the long nose tree man
153=Zombie snake
193=Zombie catSurprise Zombies:
204=Picture zombie
212=Mona Lisa picture zombie 256=Jack in the box
260=another picture zombie
298=Oinkchunk
**328=yet another picture zombie
355= Bear rugHumanoid Zombies:
400=Cindry** 408=Graveyard zombie
476=Graveyard zombie
483=Graveyard zombie
539=Graveyard zombie
597=Graveyard zombie 629=Graveyard zombie
638=Graveyard zombie
741=Frankenstein creature (forgot the name) =mario(nette)
767=Graveyard zombie (being hit by franky in the 2 page spread)
Zombie Generals:
824=long haired zombie general wearing shorts
831=yak zombie general
847= Zombie general that fought franky
850=Jigorou of the Wind 880=Zombie General
876=Zombie General-the pig headed one
889=Large Zobmie GeneralThat's all the ones that I found. You can distinctly see the relation between number and their position in the zombie corps.
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So, the higher the number, the better? Does that make Hildon donkey shit?
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No, it just means that he is part man part bat as a creature zombie. There is no relation between number and strength inside of the 4 categories: Surprise zombies, creature zombies, humanoid zombies, and general zombies.
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@Impel:
So, the higher the number, the better? Does that make Hildon donkey shit?
oinkchuck has 298 but hes still less of a threat (weaker) then most animal zombies (rangeing from 1-199)
also animal zombies seems to be stronger then graveyard zombies as team usopp could run away from the graveyard ones but didnt stand the slightest chance against the wild ones.
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Boiga, I like your theory. It fits in the world of One Piece (where things tend to have sciense-like explanations) better then just saying that shadows are taken and put into zombies and that's it. It's magic.
O.O
Its in your Heart!
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I'd be really curious to hear a "sciense like explanation" on how Luffy's df works. Especially Gear 2nd and 3rd. Oh yeah and Logias. A Logia explanation would be cool. Thanks in advance.
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Science explanations in a series where said series regularily tells science to kiss it's ass? Haha, good one. One Piece is not that deep.
Croc and water/Enel and rubber
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plus when it does become sort of "sciency" it doesn't make sense.
Soap is able to wash out power
Thorns are able to make people muscular
etcbut i think gear 2 works like the Flash's powers though where it decreases the metabolism thus shortening the life span.
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That's why I wrote "Science-like" not "Scientific".
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Science explanations in a series where said series regularily tells science to kiss it's ass? Haha, good one. One Piece is not that deep.
Croc and water/Enel and rubber
That's still deeper than most other manga where the only way to beat someone stronger than you is to train real hard to get your power level up to 1.5 x 10^13 so that you can beat his power level at 1.3 x 10^13. Oh and you only have a month so you better start working cause you're only at 5.2 x 10^7. Or other manga where you just need to unleash the demon of your black dragon attack which is guaranteed to be more powerful than the bad guy's dark star whirlpool attack.
Oda uses scientific facts in interesting ways to help in character design. What's so bad about that? Sure he takes them to an unrealistic extreme, but a large number of the characters powers and abilities are based off of valid real world physics.
EDIT:@ultimated clima: thorns were supposed to mimic the supposed benefits of acupuncture therapy in physical therapy. Soap is simply that if you have no friction you can't stand, run, grab anything, or really do anything that requires force. Imagine lifting weights in the shower and trying not to drop a barbell on your foot when your hands are soapy.
@Aldrich: I'm sure you've heard the ones for luffy, with his ability to alter the coefficient of elasticity of his rubber to add power to his attacks. Gear two is based off of the potential for a rubber vascular system to support insane levels of blood pressure to maximise oxygen flow into the muscles. Gear three is simple F=ma, where you increase the mass and thus increase the force.
Logia are harder because the only kind of "magic" that is prevalent in One Piece is due to the powers and transformations caused by devil fruits. We must take the basics of Devil fruit abilities at face value. But Oda also added physical constraints on devil fruits and will, I'm fairly sure, invent an Odaphysics explanation to the nature of devil fruit powers whenever we meet Dr. Vegapunk. Personally, I'm expecting fruiton subatomic particles.
Face it, Oda's a bit of a science geek. Is there anything wrong with that?
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Man what a fun chapter! I love that Robin and Franky are going to get some team up time here. Spider Monkey was really cool looking and he did have a Luffy look to him. I wonder if Luffy will end up in him somehow?
Here's my theory on the whole shadow zombie thing: Hogback prepares the dead bodies and often times makes freaky cross-creature creations. Moria can steal shadows and the shadows provide the spirit needed to animate the bodies. Somehow, these two parts are joined and you have a body with its own brain being used by another's spirit. The shadow retains the personalty of the person it came from, but the brain its connected to has it's own memories. Essentially, the zombie's identity and memories are determined by the brain used, but his general personality is determined by the shadow.
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I was wondering how to phrase it better, but Boiga already did that, so I just say I agree.
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I've cracked the zombie number code: #1-199 are "creature zombies," #200-399 are "surprise zombies," #400-799 are humanoid zombies, and #800+ are General Zombies.
Well done, boiga! That's as plausible a theory as any I've seen and it explains not only how strength isn't related to the numbers, but also how time isn't related to numbers (that is to say, the highest number isn't especially the most recent zombie, but possibly just the most recent of its class).
I like your theory of the Window Window fruit too – and if this is yet another Oda homage to "Peter Pan", that's even cooler, because remember, in the original story by Barrie (not sure about the Disney film), Peter's shadow is accidentally seperated from his body when a window slams down on it. And Wendy re-attaches Peter's shadow by sewing it onto his foot. So maybe that's how Hogback fits into this. Maybe he has to sew the shadows to his zombie creations to give them life. That could explain all the stitches …
[Yes, "overthinking", I know – but it's fun to see if I can stretch my imagination as far as Oda can stretch his imagination].
Also, kudos for realizing the brown tree snake reference. I'll have to look up that comic of yours at some point.
Ahh, you give me too much credit – actually, it went something like this:
"hmmmm, 'boiga' is an unusual name; I wonder if it's an anime character or something?"
[insert one Google image search here]
A-HA! So it's a kind of snake!
(I'm no good with the Latin classification of animals, but I do know it for many of my plants).
… As for "Bringing Up Father", yes, it's fun, but you don't need to read a lot of it to get the drift. It tells the same joke over and over again, but the art is great. Dinty is almost like Earnest in Wilde's play -- when you want to get out of an unbearable situation with the spouse, the in-laws, the hangers-on, etc, then tell them you have an "important business appointment" and race off to Dinty's instead, for corned beef and a pint.
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This arc really does look like a tough situation for the Straw Hats. I'm wondering how they will overcome this! Thriller Bark is so isolated and unpredictable. Likewise, it seems as though it will take more than standard battles for the Straw Hats to get out of there.
How do you guys think this will end? Other than Luffy kicking Moria's ass, of course. :)