Originally posted by MB.+Mar 8 2005, 10:35 PM–>QUOTE(MB. @ Mar 8 2005, 10:35 PM) _> Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 8 2005, 10:06 PM
**> Originally posted by Viz Hater@Mar 8 2005, 09:36 PM
Listen up boy, Like most 20 year olds I have a job and a life. Those who accuse others of "needing to grow up" ( trouble causing kids like you)
[snapback]12900[/snapback]"Kid"? omae's like, 30. o_0
You'll be seeing more and more rough and tough guys now that Shonen Anime closed. We migrate!
[snapback]12919[/snapback]Aw, dammit….
[snapback]12924[/snapback]**Yep….Meet the Pessimists 2 is coming to an Arlong Park near you.
[snapback]12941[/snapback]Were just assholes, but productivly so.
Have an idiot problem? We'll clean that right up with a little spit-shine and elbow-grease, and other phrases using bodily substances._
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I'm not low enough to actually call anyone a Narutard. Every Japanese animation fan deserves respect no matter what their attitude.
Narutard = Complete jackass/idiot/retard who worships the ground Tazmo walks on and is helping in destroying the anime community's level of intelligence. Yeah Narutard is in no way an insult to a fan's preferance or how they act…it's simply a retard who happens to like Naruto = Narutard.
Just like anyone who was retarded and happened to like OP could be called One Piece of Shit.
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Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 8 2005, 10:02 PM
You'll be seeing more and more rough and tough guys now that Shonen Anime closed. We migrate!
[snapback]12919[/snapback]Yeah like me… :o
Well, this thread seems sort of boring to me so I thought we could start posting the Viz series that we collect.So here's mine-Yu Yu Hakusho:
- One of the only American Shonen Jump magazine series that hasn't had any art edits yet
- Good dialogue for the most part
- Language edits such as "Holee cheese on rye!" or "What the flippin' ding-dong"
- A few silly attack/technique names
Bleach:
- Really well translated(I think)
- Uhhh I guess that Donald Duck thing in Vol. 5( not a big deal to me)
Series that I plan to start getting: Rurouni Kenshin, Hunterxhunter, Fullmetal Alchemist
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Narutard = Complete jackass/idiot/retard who worships the ground Tazmo walks on and is helping in destroying the anime community's level of intelligence. Yeah Narutard is in no way an insult to a fan's preferance or how they act…it's simply a retard who happens to like Naruto = Narutard.
They're still human and most of them are like little kids. If you have that same attitude by the time you hit college that's a little strange, but I was a DB Fuh-REAK in middle school and high school. I've been there and I know what its like being hardcore obsessively into something. I mean, I like OP far more than DB but there's no question I was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more into DB comparatively. It's okay to be a fanboy/girl when you're young. Their words aren't hurting anyone and they just really make themselves look kind of ignorant half the time so it's more cute than anything else. I think it is great to see that kind of enthusiasm as long as it doesn't continue forever or become a seriously (like mentally) unhealthy obsession. I think the people doing the name-calling are the only reprehensible ones. If one is supposedly above their level, then why is one reduced to childish name-calling/labelling the likes of which they perform?
Zephos- I really have wanted to check out their Bleach! I've been avoiding the series so it can reach a length where I can see what direction the author wants to go and I think it is just about to that point. Anyone else have anything to say about it?
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Piratard sounds about right.
Bleach was funky the first three volumes but since then it's been a downhill until I lost my interest completely.
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Viz does an awesome job on Kenshin, they even include a glossary! I wish I had that when watching the anime…
I'll be checking out Viz's Dr. Slump when it comes out.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 9 2005, 04:17 PM
Zephos- I really have wanted to check out their Bleach! I've been avoiding the series so it can reach a length where I can see what direction the author wants to go and I think it is just about to that point. Anyone else have anything to say about it?
[snapback]13206[/snapback]I uh…..didn't bring up Bleach...that was Gon.
But I like it myself.....uh...its pretty good. Great characters and art.
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I remember reading a few volumes of Bleach done by Viz last fall. From what I can remember, it was well done. My sister has a subscription to Shounen Jump at home. When I go home, I want to see the volumes. As to the whole language edit thing, when you really think about it, it isn't really all that big of deal. The Zoro/Zolo thing, sure, it's mildly annoying, but, like people have said, unless Oda makes a big deal out of it, it really isn't all that bad.
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Its a matter of personal preference is all.
If you don't mind, buy them.
If you do mind, try and get them to revert back. Or by the Tankoban(like me).Why people keep getting at eachothers throats I don't know.
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I uh…..didn't bring up Bleach...that was Gon.
:lol: Sorry, didn't see a different ava when I scrolled
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Originally posted by MB.@Mar 9 2005, 03:49 PM
**> I'm not low enough to actually call anyone a Narutard. Every Japanese animation fan deserves respect no matter what their attitude.Narutard = Complete jackass/idiot/retard who worships the ground Tazmo walks on and is helping in destroying the anime community's level of intelligence. Yeah Narutard is in no way an insult to a fan's preferance or how they act…it's simply a retard who happens to like Naruto = Narutard.
[snapback]13186[/snapback]**("I'd say the Narutard is male mostly, he does not watch much anime besides Naruto, except DBZ, which he loved before he discovered Naruto.
The Narutard is a primer who lives in the depth basement of his parents' house. Not surprising because he is young, around the age of 14-18. The Narutard hates Sasuke, because they say, "He is a big brute who did the most unforgivable thing there is to do. And because of that he should die…. and he whines.... and he is boring...."
The Narutard know all there is to know about Naruto, he knows when who did what and when it did what to who. The Narutard gets his weekly dose of Naruto from Narutofan.com.") Actual REAL Naruto Fan's despise Narutards and soon little Narutard children will probably arise when Naruto starts its broadcast on Toonami. They will probably not care about the story of Naruto, they will only care about the "violence". (As do all Narutards) Everyone else watches it, so they will too. Of course there will be some normal Naruto Fans who watch the dub, if it's good that is. Naruto might be the next big thing. The next big thing could've been One Piece but 4K!ds Entertainment got it.
Anyways, I own VIZ's One Piece Vol. 1-4, Bleach Vol. 1-5, Rurouni Kenshin Vol. 1-10 and various other series. However, I will not be buying anything by VIZ anymore though because I can only accept Roronoa Zoro, no exceptions. And I hate edited art.
That's what I've called Zoro since the beginning and that's what I'm wanna call Zoro till the end. So I'm just gonna buy the Tankoubans of all my favorite series. I buy all my tankoubans from Sasuga Books. I already own the original One Piece Tankouban 1-10, and I will be importing 11-30 in a couple of days. (I also will be importing Naruto and Ichigo 100% soon, and also a LOAD of other good Jump Comics) This will provide my favorite artists with the money they deserve, while also providing me with the original manga I so enjoy. :D
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Naruto might be the next big thing. The next big thing could've been One Piece but 4K!ds Entertainment got it.
I don't see anyone flocking to OP. And you know Japanese animation fans aren't stupid. If they perchance saw it they'd know they're getting a cut version and would seek it out. It doesn't matter who has OP. OP is currently in a spot on a channel at a time when no one in God's name should even be awake on Saturday. If OP is going to be very successful in the US, like DBZ, it needs a break on Cartoon Network where it not only hits the kids but also the other audience watching for kicks.
The fault is not anything but that of the taste of the Japanese animation fan in the US. If you want to see where the 'problem' (assuming you would even want to call it that since it is simply a cultural matter of taste) lies then you should look closer to home. OP is a fantastic series but it is not as flashy as everything else that has been. OP takes lots of time and dedication. While stuff like DB is indeed very complex story-wise (mostly because of its length) it doesn't take a whole lot of time before something attention grabbing occurs. And lets not forget the art style. If you can tell me how the first sea serpent ISN'T directly lifted from the Little Mermaid, I'd be amazed. Japanese animation fans want crap that looks like Japanese animation and OP doesn't for the most part. Lest we forget the animation quality. I dare anyone in here to compare Naruto and OP. You simply cannot. Forget gripes with the story, Naruto is fantastic eye candy. OP for the overwhelming majority of episodes, has nothing like that.
The fans know precisely where they can look for real OP, the question is whether they want to or not. And who can blame them if they genuinely don't like it? They're missing out but if it isn't their thing then so what? Their loss and that shouldn't change whether you like it or not. Whether OP succeeds or fails in the US shouldn't change what you feel about the series or about yourself liking the series.
And seriously name-calling or labelling a group of any demeaning kind is incredibly rude and immature. Your cruelty doesn't help change anything, it just gives them more a reason to badmouth you and you to hate them.
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But its fun.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 9 2005, 10:28 PM
If OP is going to be very successful in the US, like DBZ, it needs a break on Cartoon Network where it not only hits the kids but also the other audience watching for kicks.See, that's why I suggested that it was a better fit for Miguzi than Toonami even in the anime section. An excellent timeslot that shows it every day of the week will get it out there better than once at week on an evening when a lot of people aren't even watching television in the first place.
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Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Mar 8 2005, 05:09 AM
stephen- Not the name itself, but rather why you translated it as opposed to like Ao Kiji's name. Not a huge deal I just wondered why you chose that to translate.Well, first keep in mind that my opinion/taste can be rather flexible and thus there is no hard rule I have regarding these things. Sometimes I can choose to translate something one way that contradicts the way I do something else. It's all subject to a good deal of change.
In general, I feel that One Piece has a lot of very un-Japanese design qualities. Aside from (off the top of my head), the Marine HQ with its rock gardens and long traditional Japanese halls, OP clearly has a variety of exotic, worldly settings, which is one of its great artistic strengths. For that reason, unless I feel there is a very particular reason that the names are put a certain way, I tend to keep them from sounding too Japanese, usually by choosing a spelling that is not too strictly adherent to the transliterations of the katakana (i.e. Kokoro->Cocoro, Konisu->Conis, Karifa->Califa). In the case of "Itomimizu," which is the Japanese word for a type of worm, it seemed clear to me that the emphasis was on the fact that he resembled a worm, rather than that he had a Japanese-sounding name. And I often like to play with translating animals by finding the scientific name and forming something based on that. Usually I have to find out the scientific name anyways just to determine exactly what kind of animal it is, in the case of anything more in-depth than a simple "cat" "dog" "rhino" etc. So I looked up "itomimizu" and found "tubifex," which I thought sounded pretty wicked. In fact, his name is way cooler than his character is.
You might be asking yourself why I left Shoujou, Masira and Cricket's buddy, in his literal name rather than finding a more creative one. Back then I didn't care as much, so I didn't bother to use a bit of imagination (plus "Orangutan" is a lame name), but I probably would give him a different name if he appeared for the first time today.
In the case of Aokiji, I did give it a good deal of thought, and came to the choice I did based on a few things. I was originally going to translate the color in his name, but when I found out that one of those admirals was going to be "Yellow Zaru" instead of "Kizaru," the thought of explaining that "zaru" was actually "saru" for monkey, but because of the way composite names like that work, the s would have to be changed bla bla bla, it became a hassle. And obviously Blue Pheasant, Red Dog and Yellow Monkey sound pretty lame. Also, due to the mental image I have of the upper echelon of the Marines resembling some kind of Japanese daimyo with its traditional architecture and design, it seemed somewhat fitting that his name be allowed to retain its Japanese flavor.
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So I looked up "itomimizu" and found "tubifex," which I thought sounded pretty wicked. In fact, his name is way cooler than his character is.
Haha, yeah I thought that might be the case. I can't argue ^o^
Funny you mention about Cocoro. I use Cocoro as well but one day I found out that had a rather….interesting....counterpart in Japan :lol:
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And seriously name-calling or labelling a group of any demeaning kind is incredibly rude and immature. Your cruelty doesn't help change anything, it just gives them more a reason to badmouth you and you to hate them.
Nami got those paragraphs from NarutoFan.com from a Naruto fan. He/she did not make that up him/herself. Didn't you notice the quotation marks??
Nami is not mocking Naruto, so don't scold him/her.
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By the way, it's Tankou-bOn instead of Tankou-bAn. But it's Kanzen-bAn. Confusing? :P
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fault is not anything but that of the taste of the Japanese animation fan in the US. If you want to see where the 'problem' (assuming you would even want to call it that since it is simply a cultural matter of taste) lies then you should look closer to home. OP is a fantastic series but it is not as flashy as everything else that has been. OP takes lots of time and dedication. While stuff like DB is indeed very complex story-wise (mostly because of its length) it doesn't take a whole lot of time before something attention grabbing occurs. And lets not forget the art style. If you can tell me how the first sea serpent ISN'T directly lifted from the Little Mermaid, I'd be amazed. Japanese animation fans want crap that looks like Japanese animation and OP doesn't for the most part. Lest we forget the animation quality. I dare anyone in here to compare Naruto and OP. You simply cannot. Forget gripes with the story, Naruto is fantastic eye candy. OP for the overwhelming majority of episodes, has nothing like that.
In general, I feel that One Piece has a lot of very un-Japanese design qualities. Aside from (off the top of my head), the Marine HQ with its rock gardens and long traditional Japanese halls, OP clearly has a variety of exotic, worldly settings, which is one of its great artistic strengths.
I agree with these completely, but it's funny that I see that because I just came from another forum where this was said:
**See, I get into certain series because I hate most American cartoons, and the style in One Piece is very westernized, therefore it's already got a huge black mark against it. It lacks a lot of the traditional manga influences, and that irks me. I like to look at well-drawn art.
I can't enjoy a manga if I can't stand looking at it, you know?
I'm not going to knock the story, but really, I can't imagine being entertained by an ugly, rubber pirate.** -
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 11 2005, 07:21 PM
**> See, I get into certain series because I hate most American cartoons, and the style in One Piece is very westernized, therefore it's already got a huge black mark against it. It lacks a lot of the traditional manga influences, and that irks me. I like to look at well-drawn art.[snapback]13411[/snapback]**
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I'll watch or read any suck-ass series so long as it looks "Japanese", whatever the hell that means. -
Its your classic otaku,
All obsession, no taste.
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What that guy basically said was that he likes looking at pictures and that he doesn't care for story.
How the heck can anyone say that One Piece is not drawn well and not pleasant to look at??
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buccaneer,are u bobojojo from the westbound forums ? cause isnt that where that last quote came from ?
i understand what that guy is talking about because the art style is wierd at first because it doesnt have traditional anime eyes or hair or whatever else goes with it but it does grow on you if you let it
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Originally posted by gilrules2000@Mar 11 2005, 07:40 PM
**buccaneer,are u bobojojo from the westbound forums ? cause isnt that where that last quote came from ?i understand what that guy is talking about because the art style is wierd at first because it doesnt have traditional anime eyes or hair or whatever else goes with it but it does grow on you if you let it
[snapback]13443[/snapback]**Yes, Buc is Bobojojo.
About this other guy, he is still on the "If it's not Japanese, it sucks" wagon.
Grow up.
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Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 9 2005, 02:10 PM
I like Piratard.
Y'now, pirate and retard.
[snapback]13201[/snapback]Nope, One Piece-tared :rolleyes:
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Zorotard? Or is it Zolotard…
Anyway, the above mentioned fellow can enjoy such great, authentically Japanese series like Inuyasha instead of terrible westernized manga such as One Piece and Hellsing.
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Mar 11 2005, 11:46 PM
Nope, One Piece-tared :rolleyes:
[snapback]13519[/snapback]We're talking about obsessed idiots, right?
Let's just call them Spandams.
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Heh. I dunno. Super obssessed idiots would even make Spandam look bad. Piratard is my favorite term to describe them.
I agree with the analysis of the mentality of the typical American otaku. In fact, looking back on it, that's probably why it took me longer to get into One Piece, although I'm very glad that I did. Japanese animation has a certain look to it and many otaku's have this mentality that in order for anime to be good, it has to have that style. When I first saw One Piece in Monthly Shounen Jump, I have to admit that while the story seemed interesting, the art didn't really seem to appeal to me at the time. Once I got into the series, though, I began to realize that the style of animation really does fit One Piece, at least in my opinion it does. It's not flashy, but it really works well for One Piece. Honestly, I just can't imagine One Piece being drawn in the "traditional" style. I especially like the faces that the characters get when angry or annoyed.
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I might get lynched for this, but in all honestly I just see anime as any other genre of anything, with many different types and styles and there cannot be one set style of anything- that's absurd! And I also didn't really see anime/manga worthy of the praise and obsesison that most otaku give their anime/manga, it's just something I happen to watch and enjoy sometimes. Maybe that doesn't make sense or something, I can't tell, my typing has been going down the tubes lately.
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Originally posted by Sho-kun@Mar 12 2005, 01:16 AM
Heh. I dunno. Super obssessed idiots would even make Spandam look bad. Piratard is my favorite term to describe them.See, I think that's the easy way.
I prefer Spandam because whenever one of them gets shown up as an idiot, then you don't even have to call them a Spandam. You can just post the picture of Tom or Franky hitting him in the face.
and many otaku's have this mentality that in order for anime to be good, it has to have that style.[snapback]13570[/snapback]
Translation: style over substance.
Much of what people define as "anime style" is only window dressing; it's not a monolithic art style.
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The greatest moment, is when it dawns on an American Japanese animation fan, that the average (read: normal) Japanese citizen hasn't seen 1/20 of the Japanese animation they have. It's the stuff that moves mountains.
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Yeah. That's always a bit of a shock. There's alot of Japanimation fans who seem to get the idea that EVERYBODY in Japan watches Anime because, it's Liek!!!11one!! ZOMG!!!o! TeH c00l!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLL111111
They seem to be misinformed about the whole thing. Let's face it. Most of what we get in the US is aimed at Kids. One Piece, Naruto, Shaman King, Etc. Aimed at kids. Now, why would the Japanese be any different than Americans on this policy? If you like shows aimed at children, you are going to be made fun of. Period. You will be called a loser and probably mocked (90% of the time). Welcome to reality. Enjoy your stay.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Mar 11 2005, 11:28 PM
**Zorotard? Or is it Zolotard…Anyway, the above mentioned fellow can enjoy such great, authentically Japanese series like Inuyasha instead of terrible westernized manga such as One Piece and Hellsing.
[snapback]13541[/snapback]**Who is this referring to??
I've never seen anyone mention the member's name.
So who is it??
**Yeah. That's always a bit of a shock. There's alot of Japanimation fans who seem to get the idea that EVERYBODY in Japan watches Anime because, it's Liek!!!11one!! ZOMG!!!o! TeH c00l!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLL111111
They seem to be misinformed about the whole thing. Let's face it. Most of what we get in the US is aimed at Kids. One Piece, Naruto, Shaman King, Etc. Aimed at kids. Now, why would the Japanese be any different than Americans on this policy? If you like shows aimed at children, you are going to be made fun of. Period. You will be called a loser and probably mocked (90% of the time). Welcome to reality. Enjoy your stay.**
LOL that is exactly how most Japanese fans from America think. How stupid to think that everyone in Japan watches every single anime!! That's like Japanese people thinking that Americans watch all American cartoons. We don't.
I know that 4Kids are aiming One Piece and Shaman King at kids(and they are failing in terms of ratings and product sales), but Naruto…I don't know... I have a strange feeling that it is going to be big in America , and alot of goths and bearded men are gonna be watching it. Y'know the goths will love Gaara ,and he'll be their new "treasure". :mellow: And the strange bearded men will like Rock Lee. :lol:
It hurts when I think about it. That is, seeing strange looking people at the mall talking about "their new" show, "Narudough".(That's how they'll say it.)
They'll act impudent as if they know all there is to know about the show Naruto, not realizing that they are 130+ episodes behind... :o(Gets back on topic);
One Piece tanks really good. :P
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Well, considering there are a few posts above mine talking about a quote from some guy on another board…....
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Mar 12 2005, 12:23 AM
I might get lynched for this, but in all honestly I just see anime as any other genre of anything, with many different types and styles and there cannot be one set style of anything- that's absurd! And I also didn't really see anime/manga worthy of the praise and obsesison that most otaku give their anime/manga, it's just something I happen to watch and enjoy sometimes. Maybe that doesn't make sense or something, I can't tell, my typing has been going down the tubes lately.
[snapback]13572[/snapback]Exactly my feelings exactly.
Anime is just animated television/movies.
Manga is just comics.And they happend to be from Japan.
Otakus turn it into shun-worthy bullshit by making it out to be something else entirely.
When, if they don't want it to be a weird obsession, and have it sink into american culture in whatever ways possible, they should treat it like it is.
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People shouldn't like One Piece, Naruto, or any other series just because they're Japanese, that's stupid. If they were from any other place you should still like them just as much. Big otakus just think that Japanese is the only way. Otakus also don't have trustworthy opinions because they are biased. Otakus'll watch anything if it looks Japanese. <_<
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Originally posted by Nami@Mar 12 2005, 02:33 PM
People shouldn't like One Piece, Naruto, or any other series just because they're Japanese, that's stupid. If they were from any other place you should still like them just as much. Big otakus just think that Japanese is the only way. Otakus also don't have trustworthy opinions because they are biased. Otakus'll watch anything if it looks Japanese. <_<
I only read/watch manga/anime that I like. And One Piece just happens to be something I like. :)
[snapback]13884[/snapback]Thank you for having a brain. I don't understand how these jerks can be so stupid.
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Originally posted by KatanaJon+Mar 12 2005, 02:38 PM–>QUOTE(KatanaJon @ Mar 12 2005, 02:38 PM)
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Its always a great time for Maddox.
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Even though he's been lacking for the past few months.
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Gee, I guess nobody liked my idea…
Oh, well. Anybody have the new issue of Shonen Jump yet? I'm curious as to what's on the cover.Roronoa Zoro, I thought you were going to make an "edits of Viz" thread. I'd kinda like to see that...
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Originally posted by Nami+Mar 12 2005, 02:55 PM–>QUOTE(Nami @ Mar 12 2005, 02:55 PM) _> Originally posted by KatanaJon@Mar 12 2005, 02:38 PM
**People shouldn't like One Piece, Naruto, or any other series just because they're Japanese, that's stupid. If they were from any other place you should still like them just as much. Big otakus just think that Japanese is the only way. Otakus also don't have trustworthy opinions because they are biased. Otakus'll watch anything if it looks Japanese. <_<
I only read/watch manga/anime that I like. And One Piece just happens to be something I like. :)
[snapback]13884[/snapback]Thank you for having a brain. I don't understand how these jerks can be so stupid.
I think this is a great time for this.
[snapback]13885[/snapback]**HaHaHaHa lol lol. That's funny, KatanaJon. lol. :lol:
[snapback]13895[/snapback]Ditto. When I first saw anime, I had no idea it was japanese._
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This is just 2nd hand…..but I hear that in the newest Shonen Jump (29)
That Gin is now Ghin!Is this true? Can viz now officially stop bullshitting us about "copyrights"?
Haha, gotta love my tankoban.
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Originally posted by Zephos@Mar 20 2005, 10:45 AM
**This is just 2nd hand…..but I hear that in the newest Shonen Jump (29)
That Gin is now Ghin!Is this true? Can viz now officially stop bullshitting us about "copyrights"?
Haha, gotta love my tankoban.
[snapback]18002[/snapback]**HUH!? The last time I checked, Gin is still called Gin, but if Viz does change it to Ghin, then it's offical: Viz has gone down the shithole <_< I'm going to have to search my city's Japanese bookstore to get an Japanese One Piece manga if I must
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It's still Gin. For now, at the very least.
But, in the preview of the One Piece dub, they name him Ghin, just like they call Zoro by his dub name.
I still wouldn't put it past them to change it, though.
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Finding out is tricky, because subscribers get their issues a month ahead, I think.
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I hate when they cut the cursing out and put something thats really cheesy, like when Gin tells Sanji he can't win in the original japanese version he told him to eat shit…now it's "Eat Worms."
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The new issue is really lacking pages. Its very thin. It has…another Yugi! In the anime section it starts up with Arlong. And Dr. Slump was pretty good. They kept Hi-cha! I'll buy it.
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Eat worms?…...
Thats just lame, no that is seriously lame.