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Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion
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We will remove whoever's posting right to spoiler board if you mention anything about 441 spoiler after this post. There will be no exceptions. This warning was already given here, and BF also gave you a warning here as well.
I know this break has been going on forever and you guys are craving for something new, but it's only couple of more days. On Wednesday (maybe in Japan time?), if no other spoiler is surfaced yet, we will open the spoiler thread for you to discuss. Until then, if you feel the urge to discuss, please go somewhere else for that.
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edit:sorry oceanizer
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There's a spoiler page for 441 already!?! sweet.
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yeah but there was no clear proof of fake or real so they close it
tonight we might se something -
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Metalvirus, Impel Down, MushroomBoy, and Knight of Malta are revoked of posting rights from the spoiler board. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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And the AP community gives one giant collective sigh of relief.
This is what i'm expecting from DoFlamingo. He'll have a complex fighting style, and we already know he can control others… What if Luffy has to fight Zoro Sanji and Franky all at once, or the entire crew.
Very true and very possible. We shall most certainly see. And maybe (just maybe) Oda will someday reveal what his current bounty might be but I'm not holding my breath. Either way I think he's gotten the point across quite clearly that he's a BMF ^O^
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it would be fantastic to see them all wearing seastone pendants to counteract doflamingo's powers causing luffy to have to fight with no DF.
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I can't remember, does Luffy still possess his monsterous strenght even while wearing seastone handcuffs?
Or does he lose both stretching and strength?
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well, back in Alabasta, when Luffy was captured into a seastone cell, he looks like he can't move a muscle or don't have strength to stand when he touches the cell….
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It's the same for the sea water : he loses all his strength. That's why he cannot swim.
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it would be fantastic to see them all wearing seastone pendants to counteract doflamingo's powers causing luffy to have to fight with no DF.
Everyone completely forgets the Arlong fight. Seastone doesn't make them lose their powers, it makes them lose the ability to use their powers. On a logia it's different, because they ARE the power, if that makes sense. But paramecium still retain the properties of the substance they are. Luffy still stretches, Buggy still disconnects/reconnects, Mr. 3 is still wax. They just lack the ability to use their powers. But if, for example, Nami was able to whack Luffy hard on the back, his head would launch forward and headbutt Doflamingo.
That actually may be the key to defeating him. By having one of the Strawhats manipulate another and indirectly attacking him.
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@Fire Fist:
Everyone completely forgets the Arlong fight. Seastone doesn't make them lose their powers, it makes them lose the ability to use their powers. On a logia it's different, because they ARE the power, if that makes sense. But paramecium still retain the properties of the substance they are. Luffy still stretches, Buggy still disconnects/reconnects, Mr. 3 is still wax. They just lack the ability to use their powers. But if, for example, Nami was able to whack Luffy hard on the back, his head would launch forward and headbutt Doflamingo.
That actually may be the key to defeating him. By having one of the Strawhats manipulate another and indirectly attacking him.
While you're right about this, I'll correct you on a few things. Some Paramecium devil fruits require the user to to use it on their own, examples would be Robin's and probably Ms. Doublefinger's. Mr. 3 also can't become wax, he just creates it. As for Buggy, I really have no idea, since he can get cut and still move around and detach body parts on his own.
But yeah, you were mostly right.
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In reference to Buggy, he's similar to Luffy. In his debut against Zoro, there's no way for him to predict where Zoro would slice him, hence why he wasn't worried, and allowed Zoro to attack him head on. Therefore, i think it's fair to assume his bara bara (seperation) ability is always active.
Luffy always seemed overly affected by seastone, and i'm trying to think now if it's just overdramatization from Oda b/c Luffy overreacts to everything pretty much. Considering Robin was able to move around w/ the seastone cuffs, i don't see why Luffy shouldn't be able to move with them as well.
But I like FFAce's idea, that'd be quite interesting and hopefully not only comical.
I would imagine Luffy retains most of his strength w/o his ability to stretch. If we consider scenarios like when he grabbed Arlong's "Shark Tooth Sword" thingey (sorry, don't remember the name). Arlong couldn't move it.
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Kiribachi (don't really know the spelling)….......
yeah.... when Luffy grabbed Arlong's weapon, he couldn't move it..... and Luffy breaks it with his bare hand.....
as for the seastone cuffs, maybe it doesn't have enough seastone "radiation" to drastically weaken a devil fruit user.....
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Arlong just couldn't move it because of Luffy's strength
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I think the next arc with Jinbei will have a political interest because i must him and his people who give seastones to the gouvernment and the marine.
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While you're right about this, I'll correct you on a few things. Some Paramecium devil fruits require the user to to use it on their own, examples would be Robin's and probably Ms. Doublefinger's. Mr. 3 also can't become wax, he just creates it. As for Buggy, I really have no idea, since he can get cut and still move around and detach body parts on his own.
But yeah, you were mostly right.
No, he clearly states his body is wax. He can't turn into wax like a logia, but his body chemistry is wax, like Luffy's body is rubber. If Luffy can generate rubber from his body remains to be seen, but the person literally takes on the properties of the fruit they eat. For example, Robin can only bloom body parts she has (usually hands). Doublefinger is thorns, if that makes any sense. She has the ability to extend them from her body, which is how she attacks. Mr. 1 has a steel body. And so on and so forth.
The key difference is that logia users are not their elements. They become their elements. The paramecium users are perpetually whatever their fruit is. Luffy's rubber, Mr 3's wax, Mr 1 is steel. Why Luffy can't generate rubber from his body is unknown, but his blood is latex, his bones and muscle tissue is, just like Mr. 3's blood, bones and muscle tissue is wax.
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Heh well I didn't see that post while I was posting, and I didn't really think that saying the pic of Buggy wasn't real was not really discussing the chapter, but ah well.
Hrmm that explination made a lot of sence "Fire Fist" Ace. Its true that paramicia ARE the material, and logias just BECOME the material. This way, some paramecia might end up being better than logias.
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Metalvirus, Impel Down, MushroomBoy, and Knight of Malta are revoked of posting rights from the spoiler board. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Thats rather harsh, considered the fact I said absolutely nothing, nothing that can be considered a spoiler, I just said wheter it was real or not. I did whoever talk about it, so I admit my pwnge.
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I'm still wrestling with how Blackbeard's DF power will damage people.
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@IT'S:
I'm still wrestling with how Blackbeard's DF power will damage people.
it's simple: He makes people blind deaf and dumb with his power, and then he punches them while they stumble around trying to find him.
that or he blends into the shadows while laughing at his opponent.
then they die because their eardrums rupture and they bleed out. lol
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Yeah. He uses his DF to disable the opponent then uses his normal stregnth to attack.
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@Fire Fist:
No, he clearly states his body is wax. He can't turn into wax like a logia, but his body chemistry is wax, like Luffy's body is rubber. If Luffy can generate rubber from his body remains to be seen, but the person literally takes on the properties of the fruit they eat. For example, Robin can only bloom body parts she has (usually hands). Doublefinger is thorns, if that makes any sense. She has the ability to extend them from her body, which is how she attacks. Mr. 1 has a steel body. And so on and so forth.
The key difference is that logia users are not their elements. They become their elements. The paramecium users are perpetually whatever their fruit is. Luffy's rubber, Mr 3's wax, Mr 1 is steel. Why Luffy can't generate rubber from his body is unknown, but his blood is latex, his bones and muscle tissue is, just like Mr. 3's blood, bones and muscle tissue is wax.
I don't remember Mr. 3 ever saying he IS wax, since he only produced it from his hands. The only time he "became" his element was when he produced wax and put it around himself. He wasn't wax, just covered in it. Ms. Doublefinger could control when she became thorns, so I'm guessing she has to control it to make it happen. Mr. 1 I'm not really sure about, but I'm guessing he's always a sword.
What I meant was that some paramecium fruits require the user's conscious decision while some don't. Luffy's always rubber, like you said, he stretches even if he doesn't want to, but I don't remember Robin just randomly sprouting body parts, she's always done it on her own.
Paramecium fruits sure can be confusing when you think about it.
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Mr. 3 is not logia.
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@Impel:
Mr. 3 is not logia.
Okay, I'm sorry, but please, learn to read. I clearly stated he's not logia. His body IS wax, he can't entirely become wax. He is wax and he can produce wax.
He says right here:
Mr. 5: Yup. He can turn his body into WAX and control it at will. A CANDLEMAN.
Well, okay, Mr 5. says it. But anyway, he says he's a candleman. That means he's made of wax, and that's why his hair stays on fire. He's made of wax and can produce wax.
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If he has to turn into ax, there must be a period of time where he is not wax.
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@ ascalon:
Bad move.on topic:
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We knew ye well Ascalon.
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What part of "no spoiler in the previous chapter thread" don't you understand?
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People either don't listen to admins, or they get off on this sort of punishment. The sick little monkeys.
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Christ on a bike! What's wrong with these people?
It seems no amount of warnings will suffice. Soooo for the greater good, I'll temp lock this until the new chapter comes out.
(It can't be long now)
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