- Separated into individual pages + a some cleaning
Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion
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Damn. Such a badass chapter.. I want the next one already when there isn't even a translation.
Oh, thanks for the chapter Ocean.Ace already lost with that last spread, I think. His gangsta serious face kinda messes this up though.
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@HTC:
@ this point, it seems obvious that Ace already lost (3 days ago, remember?). Possibly, Ace managed to burn down BB's ship and that's why he isn't after Luffy, yet.
Except they use a raft…so they could simply build another one.
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@HTC:
@ this point, it seems obvious that Ace already lost (3 days ago, remember?). Possibly, Ace managed to burn down BB's ship and that's why he isn't after Luffy, yet.
With Ace gone (as in defeated), who do you think is going to defeat BB: WB? Shanks?
Yes, it did say three days ago, however, we're given no sign as to the outcome yet. It is likely that Ace lost, yes, but just because he lost once doesn't mean he won't be back for more. He IS a D, don't you remember? He's a hell of a lot stronger than the average sort of person, who would be defeated once and just give up.
Since we haven't learned very much about Ace yet, and he seems to hold some key points in the story, I honestly don't think he'll be done away with yet.
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Hopefully this will lead to some character development for Ace other than jobbing to BB. Ace needs more depth.
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Yeah save BB for Ace… It is his fight!!!
It would be the same, as if Zoro fought Croc just cause Luffy lost
Yeah, it would be! Everyone should know that Oda wouldn't do something like that… it goes against the rules of the story.
Hopefully this will lead to some character development for Ace other than jobbing to BB. Ace needs more depth.
I agree, I'd totally love to see that, too. I see him as a character with potential; hopefully we'll get some of the blanks filled in through this fight.
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the full chapter WOOOOOW
Thx oceanizer
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Nah, Ace won't get killed off simply because Ace = merchandising.
But I do think he'll lose.Something that I never see anyone asking is, "WHY does Blackbeard want to be a Shichibukai so badly?" This is a guy who is very methodical. He hides out on Whitebeard's ship for years, and leaves as soon as he gets what he wants. We know his long-term goal is to be the Pirate King and One Piece. So then he obviously wants that Shichibukai position because he feels it will help him get it in someway.
I think he knows the World Government is hiding somethings about One Piece, and one way to learn a particular secret about a group is to inflitrate it. At first, I thought he was going to use Ace to lure out Whitebeard, defeat him, and become a Shichibukai through that method. It would help Oda by building up Blackbeard more and eliminating another plot element (Whitebeard) and helping him tie up the story quicker. But now I kind of like the idea of Blackbeard throwing Ace to the WG.
Either way, I think whatever happens with Ace, results in Blackbeard becomming Shichibukai. If he can't get Luffy, next best thing then is to take out his brother and an important member of the Whitebeard crew.
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@fightingu_dengakuman:
Except they use a raft…so they could simply build another one.
Unless Ace torched everything making impossible to build another raft.
Yes, it did say three days ago, however, we're given no sign as to the outcome yet. It is likely that Ace lost, yes, but just because he lost once doesn't mean he won't be back for more. He IS a D, don't you remember? He's a hell of a lot stronger than the average sort of person, who would be defeated once and just give up.
Since we haven't learned very much about Ace yet, and he seems to hold some key points in the story, I honestly don't think he'll be done away with yet.
I don't believe Ace is dead and yes: even with BB's new logia power, Ace was a tough (sp??) nut to crack.
Chances are that BB will bring Ace to WG to become the 7th Shichibukai. The WG will, no doubt, be impressed by BB's power and make him the 7th Shichibukai. Little do they know how powerfull BB really is …
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Fantastic chapter! Thank you so much Ocean.
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maybe im the only one rooting for ACE
gogogo ACE
fire makes light…..fire clears the dark, now how ya gonna win BB ;) thats what im hoping lol -
I hope Blackbeard can defeat Whitebeard someday, and that will make Ace joins Luffy's crew >:D. But that will mean he's way too strong for Ace to beat… I just hope Ace will be okay...
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ace have to win… when ace lose then who will defeat aokiji ??????
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Even if Ace lost he didn't die. Important figures DON'T DIE in OP, only the forgettable ones do.
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Well obviously the fight hasn't been going on for that long so quite a few possibilities -
1. Blackbeard wins
2. Blackbeard manages to beat Ace but is too badly wounded himself to try and capture him. His crew picks him up and they leave but are unable to persue Luffy and co with BB in such a weakened condition.
3. Blackbeard beats Ace badly, and decides that he wont chase Luffy, but hand Ace over to the WG himself and thus seal his position as a Schichibukai.
4. Ace wins and the story goes nowhere.5. The fight ended prematurely because of an interruption. Blackbeard then escapes/leaves before the winner is decided.
I don't think Luffy's strong enough to beat Blackbeard at this moment. Maybe after the next arc or two…
Btw, people in Fuschia village says that with a 300 million bounty, Luffy has become the most famous person of East Blue. WTH. What about Ace, or Shanks, or other pirates that might have been born in East Blue too... I think it's still too early for Luffy to be a "legend".
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Important figures DON'T DIE in OP, only the forgettable ones do.
Yeah, like that guy…what was his name? Gol. D Roger.
Oda said he didn't like killing main characters, but I'm sure that there will be atleast one unexpected death at some point in the One Piece timeline and since this around the halfway point...
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Ace and BB will tie, and BB with the upperhand.
And there are other fishes in the ocean:
Shanks said that would go after BB.
WB thinks that need to teach a lesson to BB….It will not be that simple and easy to BB....
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Color me retarded, but I don't exactly see the tactical strengths of darkness as a power… I mean, we haven't really seen what's possible, other than emitting darkness... what's BB gonna do? give Ace nightmares and make him wet the bed.
I'm not saying it's not a powerful fruit - obviously it is b/c why would he have wanted it so badly otherwise, but maybe jumping the gun on Ace's odds? (Although I kind of like the idea that ace could use a little humility - he's cocky.) Darkness is probably more like smoker's fruit, but darkness is mor elikely to overpower fire than smoke. So that makes sense i guess.
Genzon is a pervert.... blowing up nami's waned picture like that... geez.
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Shanks is not from East Blue, is from West Blue, and Ace is not a Captian.
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@GunMetal::
Either way, I think whatever happens with Ace, results in Blackbeard becomming Shichibukai. If he can't get Luffy, next best thing then is to take out his brother and an important member of the Whitebeard crew.
Yes. This is what crossed my mind too. Ace probably won't die - I'm not going to rule out the dieing part completely even though it's One Piece we are talking about because to me it seems like Oda is slowly establishing Teach to be the villain of the series - but the World Government would definitely regard defeating the left hand of White Beard much higher than defeating just a mere pirate with a high bounty.
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Color me retarded, but I don't exactly see the tactical strengths of darkness as a power… I mean, we haven't really seen what's possible, other than emitting darkness... what's BB gonna do? give Ace nightmares and make him wet the bed.
I'm not saying it's not a powerful fruit - obviously it is b/c why would he have wanted it so badly otherwise, but maybe jumping the gun on Ace's odds? (Although I kind of like the idea that ace could use a little humility - he's cocky.) Darkness is probably more like smoker's fruit, but darkness is mor elikely to overpower fire than smoke. So that makes sense i guess.
Genzon is a pervert.... blowing up nami's waned picture like that... geez.
Why do you think solar panels are black underneath?
Did you know that even stars can't escape a black hole and are, literally, sucked into them?
Why is it that most houses are painted white? Have you ever seen a house painted black? Why is that?Dark absorbs light.
If, in a closed room, you put a wheel painted will all kinds of colors and then rotate it @ a high speed, the colors in it turn white (visually, i mean). Now, turn off any lights in the room and repeat the "experiment": see anything?
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Shanks is not from East Blue, is from West Blue, and Ace is not a Captian.
Well, from the translations it seems like they think Luffy is the most famous person of East Blue because of his 300 million bounty. But to me this feels odd. Are people from East Blue really that weak? Gold Roger was born in East Blue (Loguetown). And I think Ace probably has bigger bounty than Luffy? shrug
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Thanks to everyone for bringing the chapter out early. Sure that means no chapter for three weeks, but it was worth it.
As for the chapter…surreal, definately surreal. Teach having the "Dark Dark Fruit" is just nuts...and combining it with whatever he used to cut Shanks makes him even more dangerous! (though some may now be dissapointed that Blackbeard is now "the darkness"...) Outside that, it was great seeing so many characters again, particularly the Baratie crew seeing Sanji's...um, pic, Genzou responding to Nami's Wanted poster, even the manic actions of the mayor of Luffy's town and Kureha's non-chalantness. Hopefully when we get back from break, we cut back to the SH and the journey to Fishman Island.
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Would enel's fruit work against blackbeard i wonder :p
Very cool chapter, dragon looks like a busy man after all.
And i can't see ace dying (it is one piece after all) but being used as a hostage seems a bit strange, wouldnt Ace have a larger bounty than luffy anyways? and teach's reason for wanting to get luffy is because of his bounty. If thats the case than disposing of the 2nd division commander of WB's crew would be surely enough for him to get accepted into the shichibukai.
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One thing upsets me tho, my theory of Doflamingo using his DF powers to make BB kill his crewmate has been destroyed. I think it would've made for an interesting angle. Oh well.
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Darkness FTW all. Thanks for the links oceanizer.
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I wonder how Ace would fare against Blackbeard. All I can imagine is BB's darkness shutting the flame fist down. Or will it do more than that?
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@Diable:
I wonder how Ace would fare against Blackbeard. All I can imagine is BB's darkness shutting the flame fist down. Or will it do more than that?
IMHO, BB's logia power is for logia user opponents. He may use what he had, before getting the DF, against other opponents (remember: he did scar Shanks' face way back when). Ofc, there may be other uses for his DF that don't come to mind, yet.
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but the World Government would definitely regard defeating the left hand of White Beard much higher than defeating just a mere pirate with a high bounty.
I don't think so… Or atleast not for the moment, since Luffy is now major threat at the age of 17, and he has quite dangerous crew also with Zoro and Robin, and I belive Luffy is hotter than Ace right now, crushed both Crocodile, Enies Lobby, the CP9 and escaped the Buster call and Garp. Unlike Ace who is under WBs order, Luffy is his own master and killing him would put his crew to the end, but killing Ace will make nothing but WB furious.
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@HTC:
IMHO, BB's logia power is for logia user opponents. He may use what he had, before getting the DF, against other opponents (remember: he did scar Shanks' face way back when). Ofc, there may be other uses for his DF that don't come to mind, yet.
I forgot the fact about Shanks' scar.
Or maybe the darkness could take a form of whatever BB wills it (like, say, a claw perhaps which might have scarred Shanks' face assuming he ate the DF before he fought with Shanks).
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@Diable:
I forgot the fact about Shanks' scar.
Or maybe the darkness could take a form of whatever BB wills it (like, say, a claw perhaps which might have scarred Shanks' face assuming he ate the DF before he fought with Shanks).
Which would have been for more than 10 years ago, and at that time Ace wasn't in WBs crew and then BB couldnt have been under Ace so…. no. :p I guess BB was already around the top without his df but now with his df he may be the strongest guy in OP...
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@Diable:
I forgot the fact about Shanks' scar.
Or maybe the darkness could take a form of whatever BB wills it (like, say, a claw perhaps which might have scarred Shanks' face assuming he ate the DF before he fought with Shanks).
No because we know for a fact that Shanks has the scar for, @ least, 10 years (he had it already while in Luffy's village). Ace wasn't in WB's crew back then (he's 3 years older then Luffy, only) and BB killed his nakama recently, i believe.
As for the darkness taking shape, you may be on to something …
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Solid was faster ...
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@Ao:
Ace is Poochie, according to Aldrich. Which is both funny and completely true iMHO.XD
Actually that's Buccaneer who first made the analogy.
Good chapter. Not too fond of the first part until Dragon's arrival, could have done without the "what are they doing now?" segment, but the Ace/BB crew confrontation more than makes up for it. I concur to anybody who said it, Auger is awesome, and I really hope Ace is toasted and that next week (well actually in 3 weeks) we'll see BB bring his inanimate body to Sengoku and become Shichibukai.
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OH SHIT FINALLY! I OFFICIALLY LOVE ODA NOW!
Man what a good give away before Golden Week.
Gonna DL and watch it ASAP, thanks Ocean!
EDIT- HOLY SCHMIST!! Darkness Darkness Fruit FTW….sry just felt like saying it!
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Luffy is his own master and killing him would put his crew to the end, but killing Ace will make nothing but WB furious.
now that is a smart post!!!! though ace right now as an individual causes more headache with his name than luffy
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Yeah, like that guy…what was his name? Gol. D Roger.
Oda said he didn't like killing main characters, but I'm sure that there will be atleast one unexpected death at some point in the One Piece timeline and since this around the halfway point...
hear hear we've got a winner here. Come all gather round and see this wonder.
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Where can you find the translations on MSN? Put a link plz?
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Which would have been for more than 10 years ago, and at that time Ace wasn't in WBs crew and then BB couldnt have been under Ace so…. no. :p I guess BB was already around the top without his df but now with his df he may be the strongest guy in OP...
on the other hand BB is on WB crew for decades (that means at least 20 years) and roger was executed 24 years ago (and shanks was then on roger's ship) so BB must have fought shanks when he was young since he had that scar even on his flag and WB didn't know about the fight
and we know he didn't win or else he wouldn't need to find a man worth around 100 mil bery to become famous
i really hoped that BB killed his nakama over than a decade ago and ace never knew him but the fact that ace sais he was his subordinate proves my theory wrong
uh i forgot why i wanted to post,by looking at the chapter i got the exact opposite feeling than the spoiler,BB is now the underdog in my mind after seeing him getting blown by ace's supersized hiken (fire fist)
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Well, Shanks was 17 when Gol D. was killed.
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@Impel:
Where can you find the translations on MSN? Put a link plz?
This one, i believe:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2/onepiecev2home.msnw
Not there, yet, though :(
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@Impel:
Well, Shanks was 17 when Gol D. was killed.
wait,how old is he now? cuz if he is now 31 then he was around twenty when he met luffy? boy he looked a lot older
anyway BB must have fought shanks when shanks was young
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I find it odd that nobody seems to notice that BB (a logia-man) was attacked head-on by Ace's Fire Fist (Hiken) ,
Why didn t he turn into darkness and avoid the attack –> because he wasn t prepared for it so that s a question answered already
even after alabasta and Luffy bumping against smoker and ace in the restaurant, this matter wasn t resolvedNow we know that a logia user can be harmed if he doesn t activate his power.
2nd thing i ve noticed is
How strong is BB to recieve a Hiken head on and stand up like nothing s happend ----> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry strong indeedand last but not least:
Thanks ocean and BF for the Chap today and all the previous and next ones.edit : to psolaras :
I think you imagine the fight between BB and Shanks as a duel like Shanks with Mihawk.
But I don t think they battled in a duel but more like in a great brawl where all the Rogers pirates and the WBs pirates fought eachother.
The attack on Shank's eyes could ve happened in an instant, and BB just went to fight the next man. That explains why WB didn t know about it. -
That paper thing is totally not true. I'm guessing with the yami yami fruit (that is what I am calling it. Deal with it!) will just envelop Ace in darkness and when it goes away, he will be dead with a frozen look of horror on his face.
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@HTC:
Why do you think solar panels are black underneath?
Did you know that even stars can't escape a black hole and are, literally, sucked into them?
Why is it that most houses are painted white? Have you ever seen a house painted black? Why is that?Dark absorbs light.
If, in a closed room, you put a wheel painted will all kinds of colors and then rotate it @ a high speed, the colors in it turn white (visually, i mean). Now, turn off any lights in the room and repeat the "experiment": see anything?
That actually helped. Thanks. I hadnt really thought of it in the "absorbing light" way. In that case, ace is in quite alot of trouble…
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I find it odd that nobody seems to notice that BB (a logia-man) was attacked head-on by Ace's Fire Fist (Hiken) ,
Why didn t he turn into darkness and avoid the attack –> because he wasn t prepared for it so that s a question answered already
even after alabasta and Luffy bumping against smoker and ace in the restaurant, this matter wasn t resolvedNow we know that a logia user can be harmed if he doesn t activate his power.
2nd thing i ve noticed is
How strong is BB to recieve a Hiken head on and stand up like nothing s happend ----> verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry strong indeedand last but not least:
Thanks ocean and BF for the Chap today and all the previous and next ones.i thought that was the advantage of Paramecia over Logia that Paramecia is always on while Logia must be activated. though to be honest, it would appear that Enel was able to live with his ability on.
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Well, they're both Logia. And the last time we say a Logia battle, both attacks canceled each other out.
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It's not that Ener's fruit was exceptional, he was just too damn fast to catch unaware.
Well, from the translations it seems like they think Luffy is the most famous person of East Blue because of his 300 million bounty. But to me this feels odd. Are people from East Blue really that weak? Gold Roger was born in East Blue (Loguetown). And I think Ace probably has bigger bounty than Luffy? shrug
To be honest, it's not that hard to imagine Luffy surpassing him.
But yeah, like it's been said, the loser islands (Drum, Syrupp) weren't really worth seeing.
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edit : to psolaras :
I think you imagine the fight between BB and Shanks as a duel like Shanks with Mihawk.
But I don t think they battled in a duel but more like in a great brawl where all the Rogers pirates and the WBs pirates fought eachother.
The attack on Shank's eyes could ve happened in an instant, and BB just went to fight the next man. That explains why WB didn t know about it.by the little we know of BB i am sure he joined WB the next day roger was killed
anyway i am not certain my self,oda will clear that issue up sometime so we'll see (hopefully on this decade ) and if ace wins it would mean much less to me but if he loses then BB's strenght and scar to shanks will be "itching" me for years
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wait,how old is he now? cuz if he is now 31 then he was around twenty when he met luffy? boy he looked a lot older
anyway BB must have fought shanks when shanks was young
Shanks is 37… He was 15 when Gold Roger died....How many times am I going to tell people this? I even had to paste it on wikipedia to get a message across to someone. :getlost: