Hey, maybe it's the remaining kitetsu. Hence the "weird" blade colour.
Who knows… :D
Mihawk vs Logia users [May contain spoilers]
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Three swords that are probably better grade than Zoro's (And he'll probably get all 3):
1. Mihawk's Kuroken
2. Bald Gorosei's katana
3. Doc Q's swordNow, unless I'm mistaken and Doc Q doesn't have a sword, I think those are the 3 Zoro will get. Autumn Rain doesn't seem like a sword he'd use. And if he comes out in the next chapter with Funkfried, I will cry.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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I still think Doc Q will be using a scythe.
Mihawk's sword somehow is specially made by some weaponsmith that Zoro MIGHT meet up…...
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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@Fire Fist:
Three swords that are probably better grade than Zoro's (And he'll probably get all 3):
1. Mihawk's Kuroken
2. Bald Gorosei's katana
3. Doc Q's swordNow, unless I'm mistaken and Doc Q doesn't have a sword, I think those are the 3 Zoro will get. Autumn Rain doesn't seem like a sword he'd use. And if he comes out in the next chapter with Funkfried, I will cry.
Zoro will most likey stick with Sandai Kitetsu and Wadou Ichimonji until the end of the series. Why do you think he'd drop those two?. Kuinas sword is the symbol of his dream of becoming the best swordsman, and Sandai Kitetsu has developed a somewhat strong influence in Zoro and is now important in the story, besides that the best swordsman carring a cursed sword is kinda cool.
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Wadou will always be with Zoro until he either becomes the strongest swordsman in the world or he dies trying…..
as for Sandai Kitetsus, I imagine Zoro will one day break the curse, and the katana will crumble away because it can rest in peace or something.....
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I still think Doc Q will be using a scythe.
Mihawk's sword somehow is specially made by some weaponsmith that Zoro MIGHT meet up…...
I know it was filler, but didn't Rice Rice mention the "Craftsmen of High Mountain" when he was pitching those knives to Sanji? High Mountain sounds like a place along the Red Line, and they're approaching the second half of the Red Line….
Eh, Oda probably won't use it, but it's just a thought.
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Oda might have a weaponsmiths planned….. because if Zoro wanted to repair his broken katana, then he will have to find a weaponsmith...... and probably do some repairs on Wadou too...... after all that long battles against Mr.1 and Kaku.......
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@Fire Fist:
Probably Diamond, Steel, Kairoseki, Gold, Silver. Hell, if he wanted to, he could probably split Reverse Mountain in half.
Gold and silver of high purity are easily cut.
Remember that in the Real Pirate Era, the common large silver coin of the day, the Spanish colonial 8 reales, was commonly cut into 2, 4, or 8 pieces to make small change (hence the term "2 bits" for a US quarter)
And Kairoseki need not be particularly resilient… its power comes from shorting out Devil Fruit users. I could see it being something like sea salt in large crystals.
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It doesn't matter how you try to spin it, the Shichibukais do work for the WG.
As for why the Admirals don't take care of them, well they have to deal with the other powerful pirate crews in Grandline like Shanks and Whitebeard's. They could probably kill the Shichibukais, but with the deal passed between the WG and the Shichibukais they can just focus on hunting the real dangerous pirates. At least that's how I see it.
The Shichibukai do NOT work fro the WG, they are simply "ALLIES."
Yes Mihawk can defeat Logia users.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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actually, without enough information about Mihawk…... we can only assume that Mihawk can beat Logia users
based on :
1. the title of Strongest Swordsman in the World.
2. the way he totally owned Zoro during the Baratie arc
3. the coffincraft that he travels in, how he only sits and do nothing while the coffincraft seems to be moving by itself.
4. Shanks and him used to be dueling enemies or something like that.....
5. how he draws his sword and Krieg's broken ship is cut into pieces or something like that...... (very fast draw and sheath and then disappearing)Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Ener's an idiot and wouldn't have a clue who Mihawk was, so he might let Mihawk hit him on purpose.
Eneru-sama isn't an idiot, he's just ignorant towards how things work on the Blue Seas. If someone were to warn him of the dangers of seastone however, he would probably be prepared.
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actually, without enough information about Mihawk…... we can only assume that Mihawk can beat Logia users
based on :Actually, from recent developments, I think we can assume that Mihawk is far, far above Crocodile. Remember his speech before his defeat? He was talking about losing sight of his dreams after experiencing the "level of this sea," which suggests that somewhere on the Grandline Crocodile was defeated. Defeated in such a way that Croc gave up on his dream, which means that this level is something that Croc couldn't hope to achieve.
Now, who on the Grandline is stronger then Whitebead? If it wasn't someone like him, then it was someone weaker–so Whitebeard must be the type of man who Croc couldn't hope to beat.
Meanwhile, Whitebeard said he has gotten into duels with both Shanks and Mihawk. So, "vs. crap" aside, these men are all close to each other in power. Now, we don't know that Whitebeard has some way to hit logias, yet we know that he's still stronger then Croc. So then, why not Mihawk and Shanks?
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Pretty good post onemoment!^^^^
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The Shichibukai do NOT work fro the WG, they are simply "ALLIES."
Depends on the definition of "allies". If one considers the Marine Headquarters to be subordinate to the World Government, the Shichibukai are as well.
Yes Mihawk can defeat Logia users.
"ignore plz".
Actually, from recent developments, I think we can assume that Mihawk is far, far above Crocodile. Remember his speech before his defeat? He was talking about losing sight of his dreams after experiencing the "level of this sea," which suggests that somewhere on the Grandline Crocodile was defeated. Defeated in such a way that Croc gave up on his dream, which means that this level is something that Croc couldn't hope to achieve.
First of all, you've inferred way too much and most of that post is your own imagination. Croc hinted at once being an ambitious pirate but nothing really came of it until we saw the cover story, and even then, I don't see how you could have derived "Mihawk > Croc" from something virtually inane like that.
Now, who on the Grandline is stronger then Whitebead? If it wasn't someone like him, then it was someone weaker–so Whitebeard must be the type of man who Croc couldn't hope to beat.
As usual, you apply a one-tiered system of weights to fighting; that of physical strength. This is the same moronic logic you used when arguing that Jabura was one of the most powerful characters in the entire series without any real basis to support that idea.
Just like the fools who kept putting up the lie of, "in a battle Lucci would just barely beat Ener" since they're too cowardly to accept the concept that OP doesn't have progressively more powerful opponents, but rather an assorted mix. It's all for the justification of reading the series, which tells me those people don't deserve to read OP in the first place.
Additionally, it's possible Blackbeard might rival Whitebeard in strength based on what Shanks said.
Meanwhile, Whitebeard said he has gotten into duels with both Shanks and Mihawk. So, "vs. crap" aside, these men are all close to each other in power. Now, we don't know that Whitebeard has some way to hit logias, yet we know that he's still stronger then Croc. So then, why not Mihawk and Shanks?
Whitebeard is stronger than Shanks, even if both guys are member of the Yonkoh. This implies there are tiers within the ranks of the Yonkoh and Shichibukai, but that doesn't mean some Shichibukai or Yonkoh are out of the league of others.
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Depends on the definition of "allies". If one considers the Marine Headquarters to be subordinate to the World Government, the Shichibukai are as well.
You assume because The Marine Headquaters automatically work for the governemnt, that is the same with the Shichibukai?:wassat: Wrong, the Shichibukai are PIRATES and an ally of the "Marines and the government."
So no they are NOT subordinates.
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First of all, you've inferred way too much and most of that post is your own imagination. Croc hinted at once being an ambitious pirate but nothing really came of it until we saw the cover story, and even then, I don't see how you could have derived "Mihawk > Croc" from something virtually inane like that.
Perhaps, but what else could he be talking about when saying "the level of this sea?" Who is at a higher level then the strongest man in that sea?
Also, this whole point is supposed to lead that Mihawk can beat logias, i.e. Croc.
As usual, you apply a one-tiered system of weights to fighting; that of physical strength. This is the same moronic logic you used when arguing that Jabura was one of the most powerful characters in the entire series without any real basis to support that idea.
Just like the fools who kept putting up the lie of, "in a battle Lucci would just barely beat Ener" since they're too cowardly to accept the concept that OP doesn't have progressively more powerful opponents, but rather an assorted mix. It's all for the justification of reading the series, which tells me those people don't deserve to read OP in the first place.
What's with this superior, arrogant crap? Yes, OP does have those kinds of opponents–"an assorted mix." And while it doesn't progressively get stronger, some opponents are stronger then others.
Whitebeard is on par with Mihawk. If Whitebeard is stronger then Croc, and Mihawk and Shanks are even near equal to him, then Mihawk and Shanks must be able to fight logias.
Now, this does sound very much like a strength tier, however, here's my point: Whitebeard has no known method of damaging logias. So, why not Mihawk and Shanks--Whitebeards peers?
Cause honestly,after what we've seen so far, for some enemies Croc's logia defense is the only thing that would keep him alive.
Whitebeard is stronger than Shanks, even if both guys are member of the Yonkoh. This implies there are tiers within the ranks of the Yonkoh and Shichibukai, but that doesn't mean some Shichibukai or Yonkoh are out of the league of others.
Normally I would agree, but from seeing Croc, he clearly is no match some members of the world powers. His speech before having his hook broken off this that of a defeated man–a strong, yet still defeated man. Since I doubt that forces of nature beat this rather smart sand man--it must have been some incredible pirate.
So, I think that the levels of strengths can vary among the three powers, but sadly I see Croc as more or less the odd man out.
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well since shanks could knock out people of whitebeards crew with his spirit, i would think that mihawk and use his spirit to hit a logia
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Logias dont make the One Piece world go round.
Mihawk can cut Logias.
It is stated in the manga.
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It is stated in the manga.
I'm curious about that. Can you specify where that is?
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@Le:
I'm curious about that. Can you specify where that is?
It's either in one of the data books or an SBS
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<<sensei: you="" see,="" there="" are="" swordsmen="" in="" this="" world="" that="" can="" cut="" <strong="">NOTHING.
But they can cut steel.
With the same sword…
The "Strongest Blade"... has the power to protect what it wants to protect and cut what it wants to cut.
I believe that a sword that harms whatever it touches... cannot be called a "sword".
Do you understand?</sensei:>Nothing meaning everthing.
Shanks and Whitebeard cut the sky.
last time I checked the sky is nothing.
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SBS, I think not. I haven't checked the Data Books though.
But however, WHITEBEARD, is that proof that Mihawk can defeat Logias? Mihawk could certainly cut through ace or aokiji, but that doesn't mean their abilities will be nulled. We have yet to see the extent of the breath.
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It's either in one of the data books or an SBS
It's definitely not in any SBS i've read. As for the data books, I forgot what it said exactly. I'm at work so I can't look it up, but I don't remember it saying that he could cut Logias, i think it said something like he could cut the elements themselves. But, there has to be a defense against Logias other than seastone or the counterpart, otherwise why are the strongest fighters non-logia (so far seen). Do these fighters walk around with seastone in their pockets and other various articles to cancel logia effects???
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Well if Ace is missing his head I think he wont be able to use his DF power.
LOL
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@Le:
SBS, I think not. I haven't checked the Data Books though.
Yeah just have a look around can't remember where I saw it must have been a data book.
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I meant cut through as in how Robin crushed Ao Kiji into pieces.
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Yea my last post was a joke.
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Ah, sorry WHITEBEARD. I didn't catch the humor at the time.
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The phrase is very vague.
Mihawk can cut the elements themselves.
Now anyone can cut elements just take a slice at ace and there you go you've cut an element. So it would be rather pointless of Oda saying this if he didn't have a meaning to it.
I think the word "themselves" convinces me that he can harm logias, a normal swordsman cuts an element but Mihawk cuts the part that will be harmed the element itself.
Makes hardly any sense but if Mihawk couldn't harm logias he'd be weaker than croc.
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But anyways this qoute states that swordsman (hawkeyes) can cut nothing which is anything.
<<sensei: you="" see,="" there="" are="" swordsmen="" in="" this="" world="" that="" can="" cut="" <strong="">NOTHING.
But they can cut steel.
With the same sword…
The "Strongest Blade"... has the power to protect what it wants to protect and cut what it wants to cut.
I believe that a sword that harms whatever it touches… cannot be called a "sword".
Do you understand?</sensei:>I think Mihawk can beat logias base off of this quote and How Whitebeard and Marco are above Ace a logia user.
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As of the current time, I believe that we've yet to see the extent of the breath as to judge if it can really cut elements.
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The breath technique seems to be the best explanation since it is called the breath of all things.
When Oda said elements "themselves" I think he means the elements breath
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Its not in the data books red or blue. I guess Oda never said Hawk Eyes can cut the elements.
But the quote proves he can.
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Believe what you must I suppose (until someone else tries to disprove you). That quote is a bit too ambiguous for me to be proof.
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Its not in the data books red or blue. I guess Oda never said Hawk Eyes can cut the elements.
But the quote proves he can.
I wonder where that phrase came from?
Well whatever the breath of all things is the next best thing
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If that were the case then, in the case you were correct about breath, does that mean that Zoro also has the ability to cut logias?
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@Le:
If that were the case then, in the case you were correct about breath, does that mean that Zoro also has the ability to cut logias?
If it is the case, when he fully masters it I don't see why he wouldn't be able to. Otherwise logias would rule the world
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Yup and logias dont make the world go round.
Guys like Whitebeard make the One Piece world go round.
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But not guys like you.
-I'm so emo that my shirt don't fit.
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Mihawk cannot cut Logia users.
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@Impel:
Mihawk cannot cut Logia users.
Did Oda just ring you up and tell you that?
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No. Don't be silly. Kubo was over at Oda's pad and Oda-dono got kinda drunk on the sake, so Kubo was rumaging around his concept sketches, you know, trying to find ways to make Bleach more kick-ass, and he found that and we're good chums so he gave me a ring.
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Mihawk has to be able to cut logia users, just for Zoro's sake. It'd be pretty sad if Zoro's ultimate fight is a guy who can't even beat one of Luffy's lesser (by the end of the series, I mean. We have so many people to go…) opponents, Croc and Enel. At least, I predict that future opponents will far surpass these guys.
That and, we know that there are a few people in OP who are strong and can't have logia powers, like Shanks. If Shanks among the highest level pirate, then that should indicate that his old "rival" should be able to beat Croc.
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All it would take to beat any Logia user is to coat the blade with their weakness. And before you say "That's not something Mihawk would do, blah blah blah", Zoro is a man of honor too and set his blades on fire, and attempted to use seastone against Enel.
Mmm… maybe Mihawk just cuts time-space and sucks his opponent into an alternate reality. XD
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There has to be a technique that cuts logias, what happens if their weakness is not nowhere to be seen (e.g their fighting in a huge field) Mjhawk, Shanks and Whitebeard would lose since they can't harm logias.
It's just not right their has to be a way and the breath of all things seems the more plausible theory
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@Fire Fist:
All it would take to beat any Logia user is to coat the blade with their weakness. And before you say "That's not something Mihawk would do, blah blah blah", Zoro is a man of honor too and set his blades on fire, and attempted to use seastone against Enel.
Mmm… maybe Mihawk just cuts time-space and sucks his opponent into an alternate reality. XD
You say that as if logia weaknessess are common knowledge. It would be very hard to determine. Also, I thought Zoro was already on fire so he just used that to his advantage. Seastone is the only sure fire way of negating powers.
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@Fire Fist:
All it would take to beat any Logia user is to coat the blade with their weakness. And before you say "That's not something Mihawk would do, blah blah blah", Zoro is a man of honor too and set his blades on fire, and attempted to use seastone against Enel.
Mmm… maybe Mihawk just cuts time-space and sucks his opponent into an alternate reality. XD
Mihawk is actually Sessomarou in disguise!
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Of course there has to be some technique, or at least I hope.. I think that if there was no way to beat a logia then they would just dominate the field. I mean what could stop them except their weakness..
But something makes me wonder. Shanks thinks that blackbeard will take over whitebeard.. Blackbeard also said this. So it makes me think that If WB can beat logias for some reason BB doesnt seem to be too fearful..
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There has to be a technique that cuts logias, what happens if their weakness is not nowhere to be seen (e.g their fighting in a huge field) Mjhawk, Shanks and Whitebeard would lose since they can't harm logias.
It's just not right their has to be a way and the breath of all things seems the more plausible theory
But the thing is, Mr. 1's body and organs were steel, a solid, tangible object. Cutting a logia is like cutting Buggy: useless. Something has to negate their power and the breath can't do that.
If a swordsman wants to beat a logia, there has to be some other way. Luffy even tried to EAT crocodile and that didn't work, what makes you think cutting them will?
