Store has reinforced the mandate that all employees wear masks. Now if only they'd reinforce the mandate that shoppers have to . . .
Well…
How many anti-vaxxers need to die before the other ant-vaxxers will get it?
Store has reinforced the mandate that all employees wear masks. Now if only they'd reinforce the mandate that shoppers have to . . .
Well…
How many anti-vaxxers need to die before the other ant-vaxxers will get it?
How many anti-vaxxers need to die before the other ant-vaxxers will get it?
All of them, let natural ignorance flow it's course.
Except that won’t work. See, most might get got, but you’ll be left with a strain of antivaxxers that are super-resistant to all forms of infection.
Are we talking viral infections or being infected by common sense?
Except that won’t work. See, most might get got, but you’ll be left with a strain of antivaxxers that are super-resistant to all forms of infection.
Nah, make the strain resistant go on a gourmet tour of wet markets and bush meat delicatessens and problem solved.
Are we talking viral infections or being infected by common sense?
Yes.
Nah, make the strain resistant go on a gourmet tour of wet markets and bush meat delicatessens and problem solved.
Somehow I feel like we’ll be the ones who suffer most, in the end.
Somehow I feel like we’ll be the ones who suffer most, in the end.
No, you just have to put them in high class "resorts" like the ones at ICE after each trip.
You should just get whichever one is first available. Most people don’t get side effects, and those that do only get flu-like symptoms for about a day after their second shot.
Small price to pay for the immunity that you get.
You should just get whichever one is first available. Most people don’t get side effects, and those that do only get flu-like symptoms for about a day after their second shot.
Small price to pay for the immunity that you get.
It was a bot, heh.
There was an ad in its signature.
Have you all heard about the delta and lambda variants?
Ah. Didn’t spot that.
Yes, of course we’ve heard of the variants (or, at least, I hope that everyone has). They’re why people are masking up again and avoiding going out to reduce their risk of catching a breakthrough infection.
Not enough people are, but some are.
Sheriff Lee D. Vance died Wednesday in his Jackson home, almost two weeks after testing positive for COVID-19. AMR responded to a medical emergency at Sherriff Vance’s home on Wednesday morning, according to a statement released by the Hinds County Sheriff’s Office. When the medical response team arrived, Vance was non-responsive and pronounced dead.
_Hinds County Sheriff Capt. Tyree Jones confirmed the news to WLBT-TV this week. On August 4th, the department noted that Vance died from natural causes due to COVID-19, according to Coroner Sharon Grisham-Stewart. His death will be labeled as a “COVID related death.”
Last month, the Clarion Ledger reported that Vance tested positive for the COVID-19 delta variant after being fully vaccinated against COVID-19._
The Delta variant rapidly moved across Mississippi. On July 21, the virus spread throughout the Raymond Detention Facility and Work Center, Lance reported. The center is managed by the Hinds County Sheriff’s Office where Lance worked. Officials confirmed 74 COVID-19 cases during a rapid testing — 60 detained individuals and 14 employees.
Vance spent days quarantined at his home before he passed away. Friends stated that he talked about returning to work.
Yes, the Delta variant is more contagious, efficient, and deadly than the original form of COVID. Yes, even fully vaccinated individuals can still get infected by this variant and even experience severe symptoms.
But it remains true that unvaccinated people are at the highest risk. Nationally, about 97% of those hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated, and about 80% of those hospitalized have the Delta variant. Fully vaccinated individuals are far more likely to be asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms, and they are also less likely to spread the disease because they remain contagious for shorter periods of time.
Get vaccinated, please. There’s no good reason not to at this point.
https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/delta-variant.html
And, while you’re at it, please also wear a mask when out in public. Thanks.
I am not afraid of dying from COVID, even Delta, because I have the vaccine. However, I am wearing my mask because I both want to avoid possible after-affects that having COVID can give you (like losing your sense of smell), and because I want to keep other, weaker people from getting it. You can't rush herd immunity.
I am not afraid of dying from COVID, even Delta, because I have the vaccine. However, I am wearing my mask because I both want to avoid possible after-affects that having COVID can give you (like losing your sense of smell), and because I want to keep other, weaker people from getting it. You can't rush herd immunity.
I'm fully vaccinated but still maintain a mask when I'm around groups of people or in someplace public like the grocery store. I don't sweat it much if I forget it, but I have too little faith in my fellow man (and from living in a Red state) to believe those around me are all vaccinated.
meanwhile, some COVID specific stories from today's WTF Just Happened Today
Day 204: "A badge of honor."
The federal government sent ventilators to Florida even as Gov. Ron DeSantis says he’s unaware of the shipment. A health administration official confirms the Strategic National Stockpile sent 200 ventilators and 100 high-flow nasal cannula kits to the state of Florida “earlier this week.” (CNN)
California is the first state to require teachers and school staff to be vaccinated against the coronavirus or submit to regular testing in order to return to school. Gov. Gavin Newsom cited the surging delta variant, which has challenged plans for the opening of school this fall. Data, he said, shows the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines. (Washington Post)
YouTube suspended Sen. Rand Paul over a video that falsely claims masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of the coronavirus. The suspension was “a badge of honor,” Paul tweeted. (NBC News)
It blows my mind that NURSES can be anti-vaxxers.
Lot of healthcare workers are just there because of the good pay and branching career paths. That's another level of terrible tho.
Man, if this year and a half has taught me anything is that thank goodness this wasn't a variant of the Ebola, or else a quarter of the damn U.S. would be dead.
@Johnny:
Man, if this year and a half has taught me anything is that thank goodness this wasn't a variant of the Ebola, or else a quarter of the damn U.S. would be dead.
The thing is Ebola kills faster than it can actually spread, I don't think none of the outbreaks reached more than 30K infected. And checking I stand correct. The biggest was the West Africa that went of for 3 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks
From today's What the Fuck Just Happened Today:
The Supreme Court rejected a challenge to Indiana University’s vaccination requirement. Eight students asked the court for an emergency order, arguing that the risks of vaccination outweigh potential benefits for those in their age group. (NBC News)
The U.S. reported nearly 1 million vaccinations in the past day, the most since early July. About 918,000 were administered on Friday, according to Cyrus Shapar, the White House’s COVID-19 data director. The number includes 576,000 people getting their first dose of the vaccine. (The Hill)
Daughter of Fully Vaccinated Man Who Died in Rare COVID Breakthrough Case Supports Shots
The daughter of a man fully vaccinated against COVID who died following a rare breakthrough infection has said she fears her father would have suffered more if he had not had his shot.
Patricio Elizondo fell ill around a week ago, his daughter Yvonne Rodriguez told KSAT.com. Rodriguez believed her father was experiencing a flare-up of congestive heart failure or a recurring infection. Elizondo visited doctors a number of times and was admitted to hospital after he began struggling to breathe.
Rodriguez said she was "shocked" when a chest x-ray showed her father had caught COVID. "That was the last time that I got to see my dad in person," she said.
Are you still unvaccinated, Cockycent?
I am unvaccinated.
I was fortunate to dodge the vaccination for this semester's classes, but I most likely will have to submit and get vaccinated for next year Spring's classes. I have to give it to Big Pharma. They know how to corner people and force the vaccine.
I am unvaccinated. I was fortunate to dodge the vaccination for this semester's classes, but I most likely will have to submit and get vaccinated for next year Spring's classes. I have to give it to Big Pharma. They know how to corner people and force the vaccine.
You say that like not being vaccinated is a good thing.
You say that like not being vaccinated is a good thing.
Being vaccinated is not a good thing to me. It's not something I want. It's something that I have to submit to. I will take the L tho.
Being vaccinated is not a good thing to me. It's not something I want. It's something that I have to submit to. I will take the L tho.
May I ask why? Because barring a genuine threat to your health, like a potential allergic reaction to the vaccine, I can't conceive is a good reason to not get vaccinated. Especially considering the ample evidence it's working as intended, with the vast, vast majority of deaths and worst-case scenarios coming from the unvaccinated.I can't see how getting the vaccine is taking an L by any measure.
May I ask why? Because barring a genuine threat to your health, like a potential allergic reaction to the vaccine, I can't conceive is a good reason to not get vaccinated. Especially considering the ample evidence it's working as intended, with the vast, vast majority of deaths and worst-case scenarios coming from the unvaccinated.I can't see how getting the vaccine is taking an L by any measure.
I don't want to be the minority that is dismissed as "just a few cases". The fact that it's a possibility is enough to make me not want to take it.
Many signs that say, wait a year or two and see how it goes. I've dodged Covid over a year by masking up, keeping my distance, disinfecting anything I purchase. I rather continue doing that than taking the vaccine where I become 1 of the "less than 1%".
I wish I had had money dangled in front of me. Could have used it. :ninja:
I don't want to be the minority that is dismissed as "just a few cases". The fact that it's a possibility is enough to make me not want to take it.
Except, this doesn't really make sense, considering that the "minority" of people who actually do die from getting COVID–which is, yes, a small percentage--is still much, much higher than the "minority" who get the vaccine and die from it or die from COVID anyway. And of the people who do die from COVID, the vast, vast, vast majority of them are unvaccinated.
In other words, if you "don't want to be in the minority that is dismissed as 'just a few cases'", you have a far higher chance of being in the minority group of unvaccinated people who catch COVID and die from it than you do of being someone who dies after getting a vaccine, so not getting one is counterintuitive to what you claim your motivations are.
And quite frankly, I don't get what you're trying to accomplish with the things you post in here.
Cuomo mandates all New York hospital, nursing home staff be vaccinated
All of New York State’s 450,000 health care workers in hospitals and nursing and other settings are required to get the coronavirus vaccine by Sept. 27 to help curb the spread of the COVID delta strain, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Monday.
The order issued by the state Health Department covers staffers at privately run and public hospitals, nursing homes and other elder care facilities and congregate settings.
There will be narrow exceptions for medical or religious reasons.
The order acknowledges what The Post has reported in recent months: that an unacceptably high rate of medical workers remain unvaccinated at hospitals and nursing homes.
About 75 percent of the state’s 450,000 hospital workers have completed their vaccination series — in most cases getting two doses.
That means one of every four hospital workers is unvaccinated.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/cuomo-mandates-all-ny-hospital-nursing-home-staff-get-vaccinated/
That's weird, most of the nurses I know had to vaccinate fully by the end of April and still have to get tested at least one time a week. I thought hospitals nurses would be 90% vax by now.
I don't want to be the minority that is dismissed as "just a few cases". The fact that it's a possibility is enough to make me not want to take it. - Add to that, they're dangling money and other rewards to get people to take it. - Commercials where even the supposed vaccinated don't seem so certain. - People who are pro vax are showing side effects like being paralyzed. - The companies making them are not liable if something happens to you.- It's less than 2 years old.- The gov't is instigating and provoking people to pressure each other over this vaccine.Many signs that say, wait a year or two and see how it goes. I've dodged Covid over a year by masking up, keeping my distance, disinfecting anything I purchase. I rather continue doing that than taking the vaccine where I become 1 of the "less than 1%".
I can't really agree with that idea. Ignoring the "money dangled in front of you" and "advertisements and other outside pressure" issues which, speaking for myself, didn't factor into my own thinking at all, a 1% chance of things going wrong vs significantly increased odds of either not getting sick at all or having less severe symptoms if you do get sick seems very "low risk, high reward" from my standpoint.
I can't really agree with that idea. Ignoring the "money dangled in front of you" and "advertisements and other outside pressure" issues which, speaking for myself, didn't factor into my own thinking at all, a 1% chance of things going wrong vs significantly increased odds of either not getting sick at all or having less severe symptoms if you do get sick seems very "low risk, high reward" from my standpoint.
Your reasons are meant to be for you. Mine are meant for me. The fact that you feel you're supposed to agree or disagree is my point. Everyone is supposed to do what they want, but some feel the need to try and nudge the next person.
I don't attempt to understand why some don't or do take the flu shot.
For the same reasons more or less some people won’t get or get their kids shots that prevent polio, chickenpox, tetanus, or the measles.
They don’t think they’ll need it or simply being of the mind catching the disease is far more convenient than inoculating against it.
Your reasons are meant to be for you. Mine are meant for me. The fact that you feel you're supposed to agree or disagree is my point. Everyone is supposed to do what they want, but some feel the need to try and nudge the next person. I don't attempt to understand why some don't or do take the flu shot.
I do, because I've yet to see a reason to not do so that makes logical sense. Caution against side effects does, up to a point, but also comes back to my point about "low risk high reward". The vaccines are working and the primary group most endangered by COVID are those refusing it and immediately around them. As a result, from my perspective you're putting yourself and, just as importantly, those around you at serious risk for no discernable reason.
Personally, I find it incredibly selfish to avoid a vaccine over concerns for your own health, especially if you have no reason for concern.
There are people who literally cannot get vaccinated, if they did they would suffer serious health problems. These people rely on the rest of the population to get vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity so that they can live their lives without fear.
Not getting vaccinated at this point is like giving a huge middle finger to those who want to, but cannot, get the vaccine.
On top of that, antivaxxers are ensuring that their bodies remain as prime candidates for viral mutation incubators.
Crazy, really. But I guess that's what happens when you live in a crazy world.
Wasting food is a middle finger to people who can't afford it. People still do it. They also don't think about how they endanger the environment with cars. A lot of things in this world for people to look down on each other or be high and mighty about. Governors and Mayors saying they'll put you in a van to get vax in your veins. Crazy world indeed.
Except that the vaccine is literally free, there's next to zero chance of you having negative side effects, and it can only result in the greater good for the rest of society.
If you live in an area where the vaccine is being offered, then you owe it to everyone, including yourself, to get it.
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Also, it might be worth pointing out: "Big Pharma" already made their money off the vaccine when the government bought the doses from them. They got their money, whether you will take the vaccine or not.
But, and here's the rub, if you refuse to get your doses of the vaccine that were already paid for, then those doses will eventually go bad. And then the government, doing the right thing, mind you, will buy more doses so that there are still some available for you.
In other words, by avoiding the vaccine, you're ensuring that the government will put even more of your tax money into the pockets of "Big Pharma", just so that your expired doses can be replaced.
Nicely done.
Wasting food is a middle finger to people who can't afford it. People still do it. They also don't think about how they endanger the environment with cars. A lot of things in this world for people to look down on each other or be high and mighty about. Governors and Mayors saying they'll put you in a van to get vax in your veins. Crazy world indeed.
What other people do isn't really relevant. Not to me, at least. My goal in this conversation has been to try to understand why you not only don't want the vaccine, but actively consider it a good thing to not do so, when all consensus and evidence points to exactly the opposite being true. You yourself even acknowledge the risk is minimal at 1%.On thinking about it, and at the risk of being presumptuous, given the other reasons you gave (disliking ads and incentives trying to get people to vaccinate, your university requiring it, Big Pharma "cornering people into getting the vaccine") it seems to me like you don't like being told to you have to do it.It sounds like you're still taking basic precautions if you're keeping to mask usage and so on, and hell I keep up my mask wearing despite vaccinating, mostly because I don't trust other people to do it. Still, assuming I'm even remotely accurate, then I have to ask, is it worth risking your life and potentially others just to be contrarian?
That sounded more like Big Education not wanting their students to get sick, anyway.
What other people do isn't really relevant. Not to me, at least. My goal in this conversation has been to try to understand why you not only don't want the vaccine, but actively consider it a good thing to not do so, when all consensus and evidence points to exactly the opposite being true. You yourself even acknowledge the risk is minimal at 1%.On thinking about it, and at the risk of being presumptuous, given the other reasons you gave (disliking ads and incentives trying to get people to vaccinate, your university requiring it, Big Pharma "cornering people into getting the vaccine") it seems to me like you don't like being told to you have to do it.It sounds like you're still taking basic precautions if you're keeping to mask usage and so on, and hell I keep up my mask wearing despite vaccinating, mostly because I don't trust other people to do it. Still, assuming I'm even remotely accurate, then I have to ask, is it worth risking your life and potentially others just to be contrarian?
All evidence doesn't point to vaccine being a guarantee. People are dying or still getting extremely sick while vaccinated. Some of their fellow vaccinated pretend as if they don't exist. I'm not trying to be that. Again, i've never gone a week without getting around and haven't caught Covid at all. This risk you are talking about isn't worth taking a vaccine to me.
Everyone can't believe in what you want them to.
No one is denying that even the vaccinated can still contract the disease, and even die from it.
But all evidence points to the veracity of exactly what the vaccine proponents have been saying all along:
But I suppose it’s not a big deal to the antivaxxers that they are continuing to clog our hospitals and give the virus even more of a chance to mutate into ever more deadly strains.
All evidence doesn't point to vaccine being a guarantee. People are dying or still getting extremely sick while vaccinated. Some of their fellow vaccinated pretend as if they don't exist. I'm not trying to be that. Again, i've never gone a week without getting around and haven't caught Covid at all. This risk you are talking about isn't worth taking a vaccine to me.
Everyone can't believe in what you want them to.
And, again, you're focusing on a risk that's significantly smaller than the risk of catching COVID when you're not vaccinated.
And it seems like you're implying something along the lines of "You're choosing to trust the vaccine and get vaccinated, I'm choosing not to, and those are equally valid beliefs" when…no, they're not. At all. Choosing not to get vaccinated is significantly higher-risk, and it's baffling that you're refusing a vaccination based on a miniscule risk level that's far lower than that of not getting one. It just feels like massive "whataboutism" at this point to focus on something bad that could happen if you get the vaccine while ignoring bad things that could happen, and are more likely to happen, if you don't.
Pointing out whose belief is wrong is for those stuck in the vax war. I can't join you on that. Point proven.
All evidence doesn't point to vaccine being a guarantee. People are dying or still getting extremely sick while vaccinated. Some of their fellow vaccinated pretend as if they don't exist. I'm not trying to be that. Again, i've never gone a week without getting around and haven't caught Covid at all. This risk you are talking about isn't worth taking a vaccine to me. Everyone can't believe in what you want them to.
I never claimed it was a guarantee. In fact my exact words were "either not getting sick at all or having less severe symptoms if you do get sick". However, all evidence and consensus does point towards getting the vaccine being better than not getting it, guarantee or no.
I never claimed it was a guarantee. In fact my exact words were "either not getting sick at all or having less severe symptoms if you do get sick". However, all evidence and consensus does point towards getting the vaccine being better than not getting it, guarantee or no.
If all evidence were as you say it is, there would be 0 fully vaccinated that passed away. A woman wouldn't magically become paralyzed after being vaccinated while still advocating for people to get the shot.
Again, those "less than 1%" are evidence. It's way more than enough evidence for me.
It’s funny that you’d rather focus on that evidence (which, again, no one is denying or brushing under the rug) while ignoring the data I provided earlier which shows that 97% of all people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
The funniest part is that you seem to assume that it’s your behavior that’s prevented you from catching COVID. When in reality it’s much more likely that the reason you haven’t gotten it yet is that people first were quarantining, and are now getting vaccinated.
I’m struggling to see how I can make my point clearer for you. Getting vaccinated is less about protecting yourself from the virus, more about preventing the continued spread of a global pandemic that is still raging after more than 18 months.
tl;dr: 97% of those hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated. 99% of those that die from COVID are unvaccinated. The vaccine works, get yours today to save the lives of yourself and those you could potentially spread the virus to. Let’s end the pandemic already.
If all evidence were as you say it is, there would be 0 fully vaccinated that passed away. A woman wouldn't magically become paralyzed after being vaccinated while still advocating for people to get the shot.Again, those "less than 1%" are evidence. It's way more than enough evidence for me.
Untrue because, again, I never claimed a guarantee, everything I said is still true and, as noted by Kirbycide, deaths of the fully vaccinated are still far outnumbered by the deaths of the unvaccinated, which reaffirms my point: Consensus and evidence shows getting the vaccine is better than not getting it.