I seen the movies years ago, But I recommend Mystery of Mamo and Crisis in Tokyo.
Lupin the 3rd
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One thing I do have to say about the dub of Part II is that Tony Oliver and the other are not particularly good at disguising their voices, so it's usually pretty obvious when a character is actually Lupin/Jigen/Goemon in disguise. Or…maybe it's supposed to be that way?
I've been mostly watching sub and as far as I can recall, they usually just have the voice of whoever he is disguising, so it's rather too good.
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If it wasn't for the boneheaded decision to try to swap the VAs this one could've been so good. I just can't stand wrong sounding Lupin, it's like poison to my ears
They didn't swap the VAs, it was one of the first Lupin movies that got dubbed, back when they still had to deal with the Rupan nonsense. They didn't have the standard red jacket cast yet.
Unless its been dubbed again since the VHS days.
One thing I do have to say about the dub of Part II is that Tony Oliver and the other are not particularly good at disguising their voices, so it's usually pretty obvious when a character is actually Lupin/Jigen/Goemon in disguise. Or…maybe it's supposed to be that way?
It's supposed to be that way. Like Team Rocket, the audience is generally supposed to be in on the gag even if the victims are not.
Though whenever they're playing an already existing character and you're NOT supposed to know, its usually a perfect match. So…
Awwww… thank you so much for all your input!!! It’s so helpful to have experts here^^ Just finished First Contact and I really really enjoyed it; gonna watch Fuma Conspiracy now (as long as I am still not used to the VA lol). I’ll write down my full opinion on both movies tomorrow. And again: thank you so much :)
The good news is there are dozens of movies and hundreds of episodes spanning decades, so you'll be able to get a healthy helping of whatever style you like.
The downside is that means there's a few turds in there, but we've already been through them so you can avoid them.
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They didn't swap the VAs, it was one of the first Lupin movies that got dubbed, back when they still had to deal with the Rupan nonsense. They didn't have the standard red jacket cast yet.
Unless its been dubbed again since the VHS days.
Oh i meant the Japanese VAs. I've only seen it subbed, and in that one they had replaced Yamada and Kobayashi with some cheaper replacements due to budget concerns. They thought people would rather have smooth animation than proper voices, and they thought wrong. There was a huge backlash and they got the original gang back for the next outing
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Sat down to watch the Lupin x Conan crossover. And its kind of entertaining, but it feels like a conan movie and a Lupin movie clumsily stitched together. Both gangs mostly just do their own thing and just cross paths at a few places. And the main character who happens to look like the princess plot is nothing to write home about. Looks really good tho, butter smooth animation, and the art style clash gives it an interesting visual
Pretty curious to hear what Candides thoughts were about first contact. I mean for us oldtimers it's a love letter to everything we love about the show, but how does it read for a first timer?
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Sat down to watch the Lupin x Conan crossover. And its kind of entertaining, but it feels like a conan movie and a Lupin movie clumsily stitched together. Both gangs mostly just do their own thing and just cross paths at a few places. And the main character who happens to look like the princess plot is nothing to write home about. Looks really good tho, butter smooth animation, and the art style clash gives it an interesting visual
I thought that the first TV special crossover (which seems to be what you saw) was more a Conan episode with Lupin sprinkled in. The 2nd Movie crossover seemed closer to a Lupin episode with a lot of Conan cameos in it, with some flashback to the 1st crossover.
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I watched Goodbye Partner last night, seeing it was rentable on Amazon Prime. Thought it was a solid Lupin adventure. I enjoy whenever music and art fit into the plot. Kind of funny watching it right now since it involves US politics, I don't think they would have predicted what it would look like right now. I decided to go with the dub for the first time in a while, which is good, except I'm still annoyed that Tony Oliver always says "Goy-ya-mon"
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Good Chopin trivia to boost.
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Yeah! I've actually learned various cultural stuff from watching Lupin, including art, music, history, and even food and drinks that I didn't know were a thing.
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I thought that the first TV special crossover (which seems to be what you saw) was more a Conan episode with Lupin sprinkled in. The 2nd Movie crossover seemed closer to a Lupin episode with a lot of Conan cameos in it, with some flashback to the 1st crossover.
Oh i didn't know they made more than one. The one i watched was about Ran looking like the princess of somethingstan and Lupin stealing their crown jewels. So yeah sounds like the first one, it even had the conan music as the action theme.
I decided to go with the dub for the first time in a while, which is good, except I'm still annoyed that Tony Oliver always says "Goy-ya-mon"
Oh god i can hear it in my head. What a wonderful dub.
Yeah! I've actually learned various cultural stuff from watching Lupin, including art, music, history, and even food and drinks that I didn't know were a thing.
I've learned about how many famous figures had numbered descendants.
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The first Lupin/Conan crossover is weird because its barely a crossover, its kind of just two stories running in tandem until the last couple minutes when everyone interacts and you get to play the "knock unconscious and then explain the plot" gag with Zenigata.
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I was watching the one dollar money war, and was flipping betwenn the dub and sub to see which mood i was in today. And i noticed that thing GvR was talking about before, that the english dubs loves to give goofy foreign accents to characters. Like i can't really claim to know for sure since i don't speak the language, but it sure doesn't sound like the Japanese VA did like a bad russian accent
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I was watching the one dollar money war, and was flipping betwenn the dub and sub to see which mood i was in today. And i noticed that thing GvR was talking about before, that the english dubs loves to give goofy foreign accents to characters.
That was a shot at Funimation to be honest. Though Lupin which wasn't dubbed by Funimation had a couple of bad accents/dialects like Mr X. who went from having a deep somewhat menacing voice to well I don't know how to describe it without potentially coming off as unintenionally insensitive and then of course Sonny Strait with that godawful French Accent where he gave us the you know what line.
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The red jacket did often do accents but it was more like playful and not very commited. Personally i'd rather go for a good middle american voice even if the guy portrayed is like vladimir putin. Unless the accent is spot on it detracts more from the performance than any "authenticity" adds, atleast according to me.
But back to the one dollar war it is extremly cookie cutter. Stuffed to the brim with old hat tropes, like Goemon falling for a girl who uses him, Jigen loses his gun and can't shoot straight, Lupin pretends to die, Zenigata resigns due to no Lupin to chase etc etc. If it's been done before it has been done in this one, so while it isn't neccessarily bad it isn't anything to write home about. But i still am partial to the old school animation style from this era, pre-digitalization. I dunno what it is, maybe it's the more muted colouring? But it has a certain charm
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I watched Blood Seal of the Eternal Mermaid. It's a decent story. Definitely better than The Last Job. I was kind of surprised by the grotesque body horror at the end.
Also did not really understand why
! Himuro turned into The Hulk rather than just getting regenerative powers
But it was a fun story and I liked the characters. I don't agree with the assessment that the gang was an afterthought. They seemed pretty essential to me.
From the movies I've watched just recently, I'd rank them as such:
1. Operation Return the Treasure
2. Goodbye Partner
3. Steal Napoleon's Dictionary
4. Blood Seal of the Eternal Mermaid
5. The Last JobI should break out my Funi boxed set and watch those movies again, because I honestly don't remember them at all. I don't remember Fuma Conspiracy well either, but that one is missing in a box of DVDs I can't find.
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Well one example would be there at the end where they need Lupin to disable all the traps. But not really since the immortal girl could also have done it. For the most part it felt like you could've inserted pretty much any outside character into the sister plot and not have lost all that much
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Well one example would be there at the end where they need Lupin to disable all the traps. But not really since the immortal girl could also have done it. For the most part it felt like you could've inserted pretty much any outside character into the sister plot and not have lost all that much
It's the other way around though. The girl was supposed to do it all along because she was supposedly the only one capable of doing it because of her unique power. Lupin steps in and shows how awesome he is, because he wanted to find out if his grandpa had got through it.
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It's the other way around though. The girl was supposed to do it all along because she was supposedly the only one capable of doing it because of her unique power. Lupin steps in and shows how awesome he is, because he wanted to find out if his grandpa had got through it.
But that is sort of my point. They could've done it all without Lupin, personally i felt that he was being shoehorned in to a plot that didn't really need him. I think it was Robby who said that it felt like some guy really wanted to write this fantasy immortal sisters plot and used the Lupin gang as a vehicle to get it done. Felt like a whole nother type of story both in set up and plot matter, if felt even more jarring for me since i was watching Lupin movies back to back and it just stood out so hard for me compared to the rest
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The bad guy has a strong cliche european accent might be a thing from the colonial history of Americas, in Brazil we don't use that much to portrait bad guys as is used to make fun of un-charismatic antagonists.
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But that is sort of my point. They could've done it all without Lupin, personally i felt that he was being shoehorned in to a plot that didn't really need him. I think it was Robby who said that it felt like some guy really wanted to write this fantasy immortal sisters plot and used the Lupin gang as a vehicle to get it done. Felt like a whole nother type of story both in set up and plot matter, if felt even more jarring for me since i was watching Lupin movies back to back and it just stood out so hard for me compared to the rest
I don't agree. Nobody in that story would have been able to accomplish much without Lupin's actions. It doesn't always have to be about the logistics anyway. Lupin finding a connection with his grandfather without the other plot points could be enough on it's own.
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I don't agree. Nobody in that story would have been able to accomplish much without Lupin's actions. It doesn't always have to be about the logistics anyway. Lupin finding a connection with his grandfather without the other plot points could be enough on it's own.
Well i mean you do give the nominal main some things to do. But it could just as easily have been an Indiana Jones movie with some very minor tweaks. It was a treasure that Sean Connery failed to get, now his son has to get the holy macguffin from the modern day nazis seeking immortality. They need him to adventure through a cave of doom and juggle an annoying kid sidekick, and the ending kicker is don't mess with divine powers. Tonally it would've been a better fit
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Or a Pirates of teh Caribbean film. They gave the Lupin gang a token scene here or there, but the overall movie wasn't about them, it was 90% about the immortal sister.
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Weird that it didn't feel that way to me? It didn't feel any more about her than it felt like CoC was about Clarisse. There are quite a lot of movies/episodes that focus on other characters in Lupin stories.
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One thing i think gives me that impression is that for the most part Lupin has no real initiative or drive to commit to this plot, like compare with Cagliostro he and Jigen go there to get the counterfeit dough, meets up with a pretty girl he falls for, meets an old enemy he's got something of a history with/grudge against. That clarisse holds the macguffin doesn't make Lupin seem like he's running errands for her, which it kind of feels like in mermaid. In that one he feels like a tool or a means to another persons end.
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The bad guy has a strong cliche european accent might be a thing from the colonial history of Americas, in Brazil we don't use that much to portrait bad guys as is used to make fun of un-charismatic antagonists.
So which euro accent makes a character the lamest?
German?
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So which euro accent makes a character the lamest?
German?
Not much on par with brazilian tv soap operas, never been I fan and seriously can't say I watched more than 5 in my whole life, but bad french accent is for the snobbish, but bad american english accent for the douchy, I don't recall a german character in one of those but I record of a greek one but as I never heard spoken greek can't say if what he did was horrible or not. On the one we most make jokes is the one that colonized us, so portuguese accent.
Since we have a big italian and arab immigrant communities they are usually played in the very stereotypical perception, both in the accent and the behavior. And as we're a fucking big county with lots of interns accents it's easier to play on our own accent stereotypes. -
One thing i think gives me that impression is that for the most part Lupin has no real initiative or drive to commit to this plot, like compare with Cagliostro he and Jigen go there to get the counterfeit dough, meets up with a pretty girl he falls for, meets an old enemy he's got something of a history with/grudge against. That clarisse holds the macguffin doesn't make Lupin seem like he's running errands for her, which it kind of feels like in mermaid. In that one he feels like a tool or a means to another persons end.
His drive the whole time was about his grandfather. It's another one of those "the one thing my Grandfather never found, or did he?" stories.
Speaking of lame accents,
The Brazilian police chief in one of the first episodes sounds like Watto from The Phantom Menace.Then there is the episode they spend in Scotland where nobody has a Scottish accent, only bad fake ones.
I finally found my box of missing DVDs, and while it turns out I may not have a copy of Fuma Conspiracy after all (I swear I do), I did find I had already purchased First Contact. So now I have two copies. I also have one called Love Heist that I don't remember anything about. Maybe I never watched it, because I clearly didn't watch First Contact until I bought it a second time.
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His drive the whole time was about his grandfather. It's another one of those "the one thing my Grandfather never found, or did he?" stories.
Oh i know they stuffed it in there. But it's not like the movie started out with Lupin trying to find his grandpas old treasure, it is an after thought tacked on after Fujiko and annoying kid had used Lupin as an errand boy for like half the film. And in the end it isn't even really important to the plot. Like i'm not saying they don't make attempts to throw out justifiers to try and make it feel less disconnected, but the way it plays out and how unengaged the main cast feels in it sort of frames how the immortal sisters story piggybacks the Lupin gang to be told.
As for accents i always think of that rio police chief. I presume it is a flawless brazilian accent and not at all offensive.
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As for accents i always think of that rio police chief. I presume it is a flawless brazilian accent and not at all offensive.
Ned context to check, because the Rio-São Paulo accent is the standard in TV news, but as a proud interior born paulista I find offensive that anyone thing the snake pronouncing "S" (context seen Vandeleri Luxemburgo doing his best portuñol when he was at Real Madrid) as flawless.
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Discotek got the rights for The Pursuit of Harimao Treasure tv special.
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Has anyone see the Lupin vs Detective Conan movie? Is that any good?
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Discotek got the rights for The Pursuit of Harimao Treasure tv special.
Oh wow isn't that the one that Robby hates.
With herr hemafrodite or some pun like that.
I feel like i really need to find and watch this one
Has anyone see the Lupin vs Detective Conan movie? Is that any good?
The first one was entertaining enough. Felt disjointed tho, and the plot was pretty cookie cutter our main looks like the princess. Not great, but far from bad.
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I used to watch a lot when younger so I definitely want to check it. Which reminds doesn't Conan already have a Lupin with Kaito?
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Discotek is weird. They're like the only company that has someone on staff actually passionate about Lupin, AND that don't care about low sales so they keep picking up random entries. It's neat.
Their Cagliostro set was great.
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Can you just watch the Lupin movies or do you need to have watch the show to truly enjoy them?
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Can you just watch the Lupin movies or do you need to have watch the show to truly enjoy them?
You can watch them separately in any order you want as they don't adhere to continuity…...which the TV shows largely don't either.
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A fair amount of the movies actively contradict the others so you can really just go wild on any piece of media. The only constant thing is the five mains and sort of how they interact, but even then there are nuances and different takes on their dynamics. Like Zenigata will always be on Lupins tail, but is it a skilled match up where he is an opponent to be reckoned with or is he a comic bumbler clouseauing around the actually competent hero. The show and the series sort of reinvents itself as it goes, so it is super easy to just jump aboard
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Can you just watch the Lupin movies or do you need to have watch the show to truly enjoy them?
They are basically all stand alone adventures and can be watched in any order. Some of them even contradict themselves, as will happen when a franchise has been running for 50 years though countless different creators. The main cast of 5 remains the same but the interpretations of them vary a bit, Zenigata being the one that will vary the most wildly.
The one exception is maybe see a few standalones before you see Castle of Cagliostro. While that's my favorite movie of all time, and arguably the best Lupin movie, its definitely Lupin through a Miyazaki lens, and an older more mature version of the characters, so the lead isn't quite himself, and half the cast don't get a whole lot to do in that one so its not a good showcase for the crew. Its a great movie, but its maybe not the best first impression exactly of Lupin because little else in the franchise has that sort of tone. Great second or third impression though!
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Jigen is probably the one who has the least variations. Pick any movie or show and he'll be the laidback gunslinger who dislikes women and likes the booze. Even Goemon who is fairly one note himself goes a bit more up and down in how easily he is swayed by women versus stoicism and how much he is a willing participant in the capers versus honorable martial artist who just get roped into these things while striving for some zen perfection. Lupin himself is also kind up and down in the same way, and Fujiko could very well be a different character in each outing since she has no real visual template and her personality and interaction with everyone but Jigen feels different in almost every outing
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I think there used to be more fluctuations in the gang back when it was red jacket and the early movies, but they've all settled pretty strongly into more definitive versions over the decades at this point that are reasonably consistent.
Except Zengiata will will range from hyper competent super respected best cop in the world only narrowly outdone by Lupin being better that manages to catch him sometimes, to complete loser buffoon that all his superiors frown upon that just gets in the way and never has a chance. Sometimes he'll see through Lupin disguises and plans instantly, and sometimes he'll be fooled for super long stretches. Sometimes he commands huge squadrons of of hundreds of police officers to take down that criminal Lupin, sometimes he's so low priority he's just solo or has a one off sidekick and that's it. Sometimes he's dirt poor and has to eat ramen, sometimes money is no object. He just varies really wildly.
I prefer competent equal to Lupin pops by far.
Oh, and then there was the Zenigata in Woman Called Fujiko Mine series. Ugh. That show looked so good visually but it was just wrong all around.
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Haven't sat down to watch that series yet. But someone told me that Zenigata hooks up with Fujiko? Which just sounds all kinds of wrong for a long time fan
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Haven't sat down to watch that series yet. But someone told me that Zenigata hooks up with Fujiko? Which just sounds all kinds of wrong for a long time fan
It's been like 6 years or so since I watched it but it was a typical corrupt cop doing, give me something I want and I let you go.
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Haven't sat down to watch that series yet. But someone told me that Zenigata hooks up with Fujiko? Which just sounds all kinds of wrong for a long time fan
Its basically a series that uses the Monkey Punch art style and the characters, but otherwise doesn't resemble Lupin as we know it much at all. Like, what if 50 years ago instead of the anime taking the rough edges of the original manga and smoothing them out into something wackier and more fun, it instead went the opposite direction and took out all the fun and played it completely straight and serious like a major crime thriller drama.
It's cool and stylish and adult and has full nudity in the opening credits and… its nothing at all like Lupin.
Its the same group that did Jigen's Gravestone, Goemon's Bloodspray, and Fujiko's Lie. I love their style visually and its interesting as a one-off, but I don't like their take at all on the story or characters. Obviously it has fans because they've basically given them a mini-universe run of movies, but not what I want out of the franchise at all.
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I kinda disagree Robby, I enjoy both serious underground thief Lupin as well as a more silly hijinks thief Lupin.
But I'm in the Lupin fandom rather recently, I did not grew with any Lupin media to get attached to certain portrayals of characters, I do like a more competent Pops but the rest can fluctuate a little more. -
The Fujiko series is probably fine if you get it early in your Lupin exposure, but its SO different from everything else I just can't enjoy it. If it was its own thing entirely and not Lupin I'd never have even made it past the second episode, its just NOT what I'm looking for. Even the original manga and some of the early green jacket stuff isn't really my jam, (though episode 4 is an all time favorite) but a lot of that is purely how rickety the old anime is from pure age and budget.
I owned the entire original manga and kept waiting for it to figure out the balance the series did and become what it is, but it never really did. Some neat stories in there but its just not my cup of tea overall.
I also don't really care for the other end of spectrum where it gets TOO silly, the Pink Jacket era from the 70's, and the movies they did in the early 90's is largely too weird for me. Though the movies they did from like 97-06 were all good.
Luckily there's 50 years of other material that falls in that sweetspot in the middle after the anime staff figured out what really worked. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles, the best version isn't necessarily the original but the one that eventually evolved through trail and iteration and hundreds of talents over hundreds of stories.
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I'm a little thrown off by the current art style. It's kind of drab but still colorful? In some weird way the art and lightning makes these bright neon colors muted and menecing, and with that more jaggy character design they look too mean for where i like my Lupin characters. But i'm giving it a chance, there can be a lot of good things hiding beyond the art.
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Yeah, I agree with you, it's a matter of taste. Having no base for judge the series help find more enjoyment from it, although aside aesthetics in ranks low on my list of what I've watched of Lupin, I think only parts of Part IV could be worse for me.
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So what would you recommend to start the Lupin adventure?
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So what would you recommend to start the Lupin adventure?
First contact. It's the single best representation of what it is all about. And it is also a how they all met story. Or alternatively a really entertaining shaggy dog story told to get laid
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So what would you recommend to start the Lupin adventure?
First Contact/Episode 0. Its an origin story of how the crew all met with modern animation that showcases all the characters well, pulls bits from some of their all time best stuff, and is the franchise at its best. If you don't like that there's not much point in looking further.
(And its only an origin because some of the details contradict other versions from decades ago but whatever.)
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Discotek got The Secret of Twilight Gemini movie. It comes out on November 24th and the bluray will come with both the uncut and edited dub of the movie.