@DoctorPhil:
She was just a risky confirmation for the progressive movement.
Yeah but this just ensures someone not as progressive will likely get the job though, which seems counter productive. A big part of why she was rejected by the GOP and Manchin was that she is too progressive. That will not bode well for anyone else on the progressive scale here.
You need someone who knows how to budget progressive policy correctly. This is a low blow here but I am going to say many of the Very Online Left didn't care who the last 3 OMB directors were nor ever thought about the job.
Last thing I'll add is this a very dumb thing to stall on and take longer to get done. This is in no way a win except for people who were mad at her calling them out for wanting to take a moral stance rather than beat Trump. And those people should not be listened to for obvious reasons.
@RoboBlue:
I'm sorry I didn't realize you were Jewish and suspected that you could be an antisemite.
This was all that needed to be said since it's very clear I am not and this was a lazy attack. I'll accept your apology but you really didn't need to go further as it's not helping your case or making you seem sincere.
@RoboBlue:
I can't tell if you honestly misunderstood, are trying to make a joke or are just lying. I didn't say that I believed it, and the point that I was making should be pretty clear.
Well it's not. You're defending attacking a progressive WoC by… saying actually Bernie is the victim. And then with these replies, it does feel like you're saying people who dislike Bernie for justifiable reasons are just antisemites. Now if you want to say it was done in bad faith, we can move on.
@RoboBlue:
I said there was a huge spike in right-wingers engaging in antisemitic hate crimes, you called me a conspiracy theorist and claimed that I was blaming people on the left for said right-wing hate crimes.
Because you were? That's the exact logical conclusion anyone can make from your words here. There was a rise of antisemitic hate crimes right around the time of the left's "betrayal of poor innocent Bernie Sanders" right?
Like please do explain this one.
@RoboBlue:
OK, so you dislike any politician who in any way slows the rise of women to any position of power, because you believe that putting as many women in power as fast as possible is the best way to counter the GOP, and anyone who slows down that process is helping the Republicans.
Sure, ones with records of this will get heat from me. And I have said qualified women but sure. And yes people who get in their way and slow things down for no reason do just help the GOP. The enemy at hand you tend to forget about plenty.
@RoboBlue:
…But you endorsed a Republican attack on a Democratic woman of color because you disagreed with her policies?
Uhhhh when? And no???
I take issues with her singling out only Jewish donors of her opponents and while not her usual Jew dislike, she didn't recognize a literal genocide so I am not really going to defend someone who is already not exactly high on social justice points. And besides all that, she is already in a position of power. And she at least, at the very least bugs the shit out of the GOP. So calling bullshit on this claim and "gotcha" of yours.
@RoboBlue:
Nothing scares people more than a qualified woman of color with opinions… like being critical of the Israel lobby.
This implies that's my issue with her and that she is qualified. Both of which are not true.
Of all the Squad members, the only one I think is unfair to Israel in bad ways would be Talib with her retweeting an image that had the motto "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" which yeah. So far more love for genocide than Jews from them. lol
@RoboBlue:
It's this kind of inconsistent ideology that seems mainly focused around attacking progressives ostensibly for surface-level social justice reasons that made me start to wonder if there was some other reason you hated Bernie.
It's mainly to do with the fact you don't read my posts and you can't conceive of why people are not big on Bernie Sanders without it being a hate crime in your head.
@RoboBlue:
I still think that, but if it's "the most basic bitch liberal reasons there are" then the reason is that you blindly believe the attacks made on him by DNC and Republican allies.
Oh you still think that? Then yeah take your sorry back. And trust me buddy, you're the blind one here.
I give you reasons here and you're just like…. not able to read or understand them even a little so I don't know if I'll reply after this because you're just going to reach for stuff that makes no sense.
@RoboBlue:
I didn't call you a "low information voter" or even use those words.
I said you were misinformed about one specific politician.
That's the pretty common thing to call people who call it right about Bernie and didn't vote for him. Like when the Bernie Bros started to call black voters in SC and ST states that. I mean you're saying right now I am misinformed about him which is untrue. So might as well go full mask off here.
@RoboBlue:
No, I don't,
Then why bring it up? The point you're trying to make is not what you think it is.
@RoboBlue:
When you talk this way to people who believe women it both seriously undermines the believability of your claim that you care about women's rights/social justice causes and turns people off because it's an extremely shitty thing to do.
Or it just says I don't like conartists and their marks who believe them. Which actually damages women. A lot.
And I stand by only idiots believed her. It was obvious from the getgo unless you wanted to be misinformed and wanted Trump to win.
@RoboBlue:
It's also shitty and weird and not very feminist how you show no empathy whatsoever toward people who believed women that you didn't even after they've changed their mind.
Because you keep bringing it out of the blue like this. Like if you actually have changed your mind, can you now say how she was never credible? From the start? And maybe it just had to do with your emotional reaction to voters rejecting Bernie Sanders so strongly?
If you showed some signs of progress there I would be a lot nicer in general but I am still going to think marks who believed in a conartist's lies were dumb. Great if they learned better but yeah.
@RoboBlue:
It's interesting how you picked the white man who's in 3rd place and not his female PoC vice president (who's in second).
Well I mean he was the top of the ticket but yeah you're right. I have no issues with Biden AND Harris. And have said plenty that I can't wait to vote for her for president in 2028. But if you want to keep reaching for stars, go for it.
@RoboBlue:
The Bernie Bros smear and the claim that Bernie cost Hillary the election by existing, despite the fact that a much higher percentage of her supporters voted for the Republican in 2008.
They and he did. Also 2008 does not = 2016.
I think you also might've been one of those people who complained that Bernie was actively helping Trump by not dropping out early.Yeah he wasted our time there instead of actually helping. Much like he did with that stupid tweet nonsense he brought up to Neera that helped cover the real reason she lost the nom. Or the other day when he pushed for that forced vote on the minimum wage increase that was a huge waste of everyone's time since it needed 60 votes to actually pass and hey look, he got people to blame Democrats for not voting yes on a thing that gave the GOP power to halt the whooooooooole American Rescue Plan…. rather than rush to pass it and actually try to win votes for the MW increase in a sperate bill.
@RoboBlue:
The Bernie Bros narrative was just a smear
Yeah tell that to Warren. A progressive woman who dared to bring up attention to Bernie's sexism and look what happened to her? The bros are godawful and it's okay to say that!
@Kirbycide:
Good god the Bernie cult of personality really is almost as bad as Trump’s.
To be fair, they can and do throw him under the bus as "progressives" love to just thrown themselves under a moving bus that they are driving. But there is still a weird need to defend a career politician that really didn't have much of an impressive resume here.
Well Hillary pointed this out as well as the fact the senate didn't like him one bit, then these freaks came out and said "well I like Bernie so you're wrong!" when they could have just corrected her and said Biden liked him at the very least. Or you know, defend his record. But that's harder to defend than even his pie in the sky promises.
