So…is that dude who the new villain lady freed Overhaul? I notice he has black hair and no arms, which would fit, but he looks different than I remember. Maybe the art style has changed since then, I dunno.
You're just used to the plague mask.
So…is that dude who the new villain lady freed Overhaul? I notice he has black hair and no arms, which would fit, but he looks different than I remember. Maybe the art style has changed since then, I dunno.
You're just used to the plague mask.
This chapter made me appreciate Impel Down as an actual maximum-security that can hold powerful criminals while being extremely hard to invade. Tartarus is just a big wet fart.
@Cyan:
There being no heroes at The Raft is forgivable considering about 40% of them just got brutally murdered in the span of half an hour.
There aren't any heroes there because if there were, Hori would probably need to think of a more elaborate plot. But seeing how he went about it, it would probably be fodder, so it would end the same, just take longer.
As it is now, Tomura just went to prison unchecked, where he fought 2 heroes and some mechs, shot an EMP and called it a day. No countermeasures against such attacks in the super jail, really? The guy who can break everyone free with his ability is placed close to everyone else like it's no biggie. It's corner cutting at its finest.
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This chapter made me appreciate Impel Down as an actual maximum-security that can hold powerful criminals while being extremely hard to invade. Tartarus is just a big wet fart.
Maybe we should start calling it Fartarus.
This series has a really nice setting, socially and (although in a minor form) politically.
It's the "development" that really lacks. Most of Hori's world consequences are just: "And then this happened… okay?"
This series has a really nice setting, socially and (although in a minor form) politically.
To be fair, I've seen most of what would be called good world building on Vigilantes rather than on the main series.
For starters, is there that we learn the definitions between hero-vigilante-villain, and the first place to implement such law. That should be a 101 class for UA students.
Second we saw the issues with mutant types and transformed into mutant types due to trigger because of the Hopper's Cafe gang.
We also learn that the police will gladly turn the blind eye to vigilantism if serves them, because Oguro still has ties with the police and Makoto's brother also does that sometimes regarding the crawler.
And them we had Aizawa's flashback, that basically explain why he is the way he is.
To be fair, I've seen most of what would be called good world building on Vigilantes rather than on the main series.
Which is yet another point against Boku no. What made the series interesting, it relegated to a spin-off. You'd think Hori would like to touch upon those cornerstones of his world during his own narrative, instead of letting someone else have fun with them.
To be fair, impel down is who knows how long deep, while Tartarus is a big mall basement deep, actually six floors, not six levels that are taller than giants.
Which is yet another point against Boku no. What made the series interesting, it relegated to a spin-off. You'd think Hori would like to touch upon those cornerstones of his world during his own narrative, instead of letting someone else have fun with them.
"Can't have that, gotta run to the next fight or the attention will drop and I'm gonna get axed." - Thinks the author of a series reaching 300 chapters, 5 seasons of anime, 3 movies and more than 20M volumes sold.
The impostor syndrome hits hard and hits everyone.
But by this point shouldn't be the editors job to say "Hori slow down the story a bit. Don't over do quick time jumps only to show the results, show us how we got there. If you keep this pace you're damaging the narrative."
To be fair, impel down is who knows how long deep, while Tartarus is a big mall basement deep, actually six floors, not six levels that are taller than giants.
And the MC ain't locked there, so there's no point in writing an entire arc about it.
Come on Nekketsu the fandom was interest in the jailbreak arc ever since we saw Stain together in Tartarus with Shigaraki Sr.
If we go by the MC ain't part don't care for it, we could've just skipped the whole My Villain Academia Arc and jumped to it's conclusion.
The fandom has their ways of coping and is in constant denial anyway.
Eh, they'll survive once they lower their standards enough.
Or they already did.
At this point I don't even care, I'm just here for hilarious moments such as Demon Lord AfO
Only redeeming factor is we might get more Stain moments and maybe some Overhaul because both are much more fun to watch than either of those two endgame wrecks
Come on Nekketsu the fandom was interest in the jailbreak arc ever since we saw Stain together in Tartarus with Shigaraki Sr.
If we go by the MC ain't part don't care for it, we could've just skipped the whole My Villain Academia Arc and jumped to it's conclusion.
Fair point. I guess expectations should be set and kept low from now on, myself included.
AFO's quote at the end mirrors Midoriya's in chapter 1, btw.
I'm glad for a single chapter jail break. I didn't need a full arc. Especially since I want to see the aftermath of those that fought against Shiggy. We had dead and critically injured main and secondary characters. They need at least some down time to hash out what happened.
We got the Todoroki's drama, the failed mission, Bakugo protecting Deku, A teacher dying, A teacher maimed, The outting of OFA.
A couple more of chapters or a whole arc dedicated to AFO´s scape would have been pretty tiring after the war arc, it would be wasting time in something with an obvious outcome. That´s just my personal opinion though, but for me Hori´s weakest moments lately were Mirio coming out nowhere and Mina having her moment stolen.
That said, I agree that Hori should give the story a little more time to breath and invest more time in wordbuilding, instead of putting most of it either in Illegals or in the volume extras. I mean, lots of things could have been introduced in the school setting, like a couple of chapters dedicated to the story of heroics or something like that.
At this point I don't even care, I'm just here for hilarious moments such as Demon Lord AfO
Only redeeming factor is we might get more Stain moments and maybe some Overhaul because both are much more fun to watch than either of those two endgame wrecks
Shigaraki Sr is that cringe Garou fan that think he is cool for the wrong reasons, by the way he didn't even finished the damn comic book.
Chisaki is bore of a character, a person so self obsessed in paying a debt that he put his own boss in comma to allow him to do the Eri Project, and Stain is simply cray cray "any hero that isn't as self sacrificing as All Might deserves death" is pretty stupid.
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AFO's quote at the end mirrors Midoriya's in chapter 1, btw.
Yes, been pointed out since korean scans were out on thursday.
I could have gone for a two parter, to be honest, but a whole volume? Or an arc? It is a mall basement off the coast, their security was based on their technology and that any big attack was suicide.
Like focus on seeing what was happening on top more slowly, present to us the candidates to future members of the league of villains up front, from the POV of the jailers, so we know what’s up with them, overdo it to make shiggy kill half of them on a whim and still have some new characters. Have the unknown prisioner have a heinous crime and then have her show emphathy to hint to the darkness of the system instead of calling it “the dark side of society” or whatever.
Like overhaul is there completely defenseless, I hope no one steals his quirk, specially someone with a sinister mind, patience and a twisted personality.
I'm glad for a single chapter jail break. I didn't need a full arc. Especially since I want to see the aftermath of those that fought against Shiggy. We had dead and critically injured main and secondary characters. They need at least some down time to hash out what happened.
We got the Todoroki's drama, the failed mission, Bakugo protecting Deku, A teacher dying, A teacher maimed, The outting of OFA.
The problem itself is placing the jailbreak as a buffer between the aftermath of the big arc. When we get back to the aftermath it will probably after the jailbreak and will have to add it's consequences to the bold part.
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but for me Hori´s weakest moments lately were Mirio coming out nowhere and Mina having her moment stolen.
Same for me. Same for me.
Shigaraki Sr is that cringe Garou fan that think he is cool for the wrong reasons, by the way he didn't even finished the damn comic book.
Chisaki is bore of a character, a person so self obsessed in paying a debt that he put his own boss in comma to allow him to do the Eri Project, and Stain is simply cray cray "any hero that isn't as self sacrificing as All Might deserves death" is pretty stupid.
Whoa hey, I'm at least trying to like the villains now that Twice is gone.
This chapter is just the repeat of the post-Overhaul's one where the setting becomes stupid for no reason
Bullets that can render the most powerful superhero quirk useless? Let's guard it with one superhero and a bunch of no power cops.
The world's most dangerous villain? Normal wardens that monologue will do, and add in some robots. Cos you know, it looks more high tech and secure and stuff. Heroes? Nah, these walls are pretty cool against city obilerating powers.
This is creativity bankruptcy at its best, I love how bad the writing is going to become.
It's not even plot convenience is Hori's laziness in establishing the structure of hero work in cooperation with police, intelligence and military.
We now nothing besides they are public security personal that receives money for the gov't base on the number of cases solved.
Imagine if we had had a class with the definitions of hero-vigilante-villain, before Tsuyu's ain't Bakugo rescue squad. It would come from a more grounded place, it would show the severity of said actions, instead with only had frog virtue signaling.
Whoa hey, I'm at least trying to like the villains now that Twice is gone.
This chapter is just the repeat of the post-Overhaul's one where the setting becomes stupid for no reason
Bullets that can render the most powerful superhero quirk useless? Let's guard it with one superhero and a bunch of no power cops.
The world's most dangerous villain? Normal wardens that monologue will do, and add in some robots. Cos you know, it looks more high tech and secure and stuff. Heroes? Nah, these walls are pretty cool against city obilerating powers.
This is creativity bankruptcy at its best, I love how bad the writing is going to become.
Funny, because AFO couldn't get out until he had several powerful High Ends plus a stronger Shigaraki at his disposal, and most if not all pro-heroes maimed or put out of commission to finally break out of his cell. So I would say security measures were in place and very efficient till that very moment. Even AFO himself admits he could have never pulled it off without all these countermeasures set in place, first.
So the jailbreak is a direct consequence of the aftermath of the battle that happened prior. Call it bad writing if you want, but it makes sense to me that AFO would make that move precisely now. If you think you can write it better, by all means go ahead, give me your best shot. But remember: this author has a deadline to meet. You don't.
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It's not even plot convenience is Hori's laziness in establishing the structure of hero work in cooperation with police, intelligence and military.
We now nothing besides they are public security personal that receives money for the gov't base on the number of cases solved.Imagine if we had had a class with the definitions of hero-vigilante-villain, before Tsuyu's ain't Bakugo rescue squad. It would come from a more grounded place, it would show the severity of said actions, instead with only had frog virtue signaling.
In that case I don't think there's anything else to talk, as it would seem is a oversight that appears to be pretty widespread.
And here is the ad hominem, because we're not satisfied with certain decision made by a professional mangaka being published in the biggest manga magazine, we the unsatisfied are left to write something better.
That and too much free time in hand, lol.
So how did AFO manage to sync up the attacks? I get that the author says it was possible becuase he coordinated the simultaneous attack within 3 seconds etc.
But I thought when he was put in jail they said they were monitoring him at all times and even a hint of a quirk and systems activate and drug or kill him or whatever? So how was he able to be in both bodies yet still linked up but not tripping sensors?
And here is the ad hominem, because we're not satisfied with certain decision made by a professional mangaka being published in the biggest manga magazine, we the unsatisfied are left to write something better.
Imagine if a mangaka said that to his editor and other higher ups at the publishing company when they offered suggestions and criticism. They have never written a big hit so they should just keep their mouths shut lol. Yeah the world does not work that way.
Overhaul is the worst villain in the series and I not only hope he gets his Quirk jacked I hope Shigaraki gives him a swirlie.
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So the jailbreak is a direct consequence of the aftermath of the battle that happened prior. Call it bad writing if you want, but it makes sense to me that AFO would make that move precisely now. If you think you can write it better, by all means go ahead, give me your best shot. But remember: this author has a deadline to meet. You don't.
Oh man I never thought I'll be hit by that line here out of all places.
That line is so old school and direct that I actually miss the 2000s forums that have people throwing this on a daily basis.
Nowadays they just do it in a passive aggressive way this is honestly refreshing.
So I'm allowed to call it Bad Writing? Okay it's bad writing then!
I find it very interesting that Hori brings up the "human rights violation" complaints against the prison,
and how the description of the prison included the fact that these criminals are in here "regardless of sentencing".
I'm feeling like this woman is actually innocent and was falsely locked up,
especially since she seems to have a heart and a rational head.
She took pity on the armless Overhaul and let him out, and she seemed concerned about the societal implications of the prison's failure.
If she's been falsely imprisoned, it could be another thorn in the side of the hero system as the public sour against them further.
How dare you criticise a Hollywood movie made by professionals with tens of years of experience, you armchair critic who can't even edit a video?
Oh, it was a box office bomb? But I thought they were professionals with the magical formula for storytelling…
Seriously, people, are we going back to "you can only find flaws in a manga if you're a mangaka too"? Do you accept any type of uncooked/overburnt food at a restaurant because you're not a pro cook yourselves?
The problem itself is placing the jailbreak as a buffer between the aftermath of the big arc. When we get back to the aftermath it will probably after the jailbreak and will have to add it's consequences to the bold part.
Fully agree here. I don't mind the prison break being one chapter, but this placement in the story is baffling me. It's like you had a checklist of things you need to have done for the next arc and rush to fill in the ones you didn't have time for.
It would've been better to give the readers 2-4 chapters of cooldown. Let us see the aftermath, focus on character interactions a bit, get people's hopes up and then bring out this chapter as a final middle finger to the Hero's society. It could even work off-screened, have the kids chatting and feeling hopeful and then the news hit that the prison has been decimated, lots of causalities and the biggest bads on the loose.
I think the woman prisoner is "Thief Tamaki". Call it a hunch.
I doubt the woman is falsely imprissioned, but for sure unjustly. My guess is an Eri like case where they couldn’t just hand wave away the accidental victim, like when Eri unbirthed her dad. Technology related quirk as well.
Yeah, either way I'm expecting a spotlight to be shone on the fact that she shouldn't have been tossed away.
Keeping my eye on where things go with her.
I swear I'd say the author is rushing toward the ending… but he just had the series ending climax and decided to say "nah, that's the halfway mark" so I have no idea what he's thinking.
A couple more of chapters or a whole arc dedicated to AFO´s scape would have been pretty tiring after the war arc, it would be wasting time in something with an obvious outcome.
So, start it up, show how crazy insane the defense are, cut away, then the heroes get a report that there was a jailbreak, then cut back to massive crazy damage done. At least pretend it took a few hours to pull off.
Same amount of time but they could PRETEND the security was decent.
I swear I'd say the author is rushing toward the ending… but he just had the series ending climax and decided to say "nah, that's the halfway mark" so I have no idea what he's thinking.
Well he said the idea of the final fight in the second movie was one of his pitches for the series ending so…
If you think you can write it better, by all means go ahead, give me your best shot. But remember: this author has a deadline to meet. You don't.
Oh, the "only a professional writer can criticize" track? Okay.
I've been in the industry for 22 years and have worked on literally thousands of books as a either a writer, editor, artist, letterer or colorist. i've done basically every single aspect of comic book work at some point, and that includes laying books out to send them to the printer and the grunt work of hauling incoming boxes up stairs.
Am I allowed to criticize writing now?
Oh, the "only a professional writer can criticize" track? Okay.
No.
I was genuinely asking him. Geez, you people cannot take a hint.
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How dare you criticise a Hollywood movie made by professionals with tens of years of experience, you armchair critic who can't even edit a video?
Oh, it was a box office bomb? But I thought they were professionals with the magical formula for storytelling…Seriously, people, are we going back to "you can only find flaws in a manga if you're a mangaka too"? Do you accept any type of uncooked/overburnt food at a restaurant because you're not a pro cook yourselves?
Sigh
I'm going to have to be more specific next time.
The author has weekly deadlines, sure… but he also had all the time in the world to plan ahead. Most writers of ongoing serials don't make things up completely week by week. New situations or standalone stories, sure, characters can surprise and change events in ways tehy didn't expect or a certain thing can grab attention that demands more...
It's disingenuous to say "well the author had to conceive of this chapter in one week... so you need to come up with something better. But remember, you don't have a deadline so it's harder for him! He only had a week!" Which just... isn't true.
He had a week for the details. Not for the actual idea.
Unless its Bleach or something. That nonsense was probably made up on the spot.
What I actually meant is that we as readers use our time more freely. Just that.
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Oh man I never thought I'll be hit by that line here out of all places.
That line is so old school and direct that I actually miss the 2000s forums that have people throwing this on a daily basis.
Nowadays they just do it in a passive aggressive way this is honestly refreshing.
So I'm allowed to call it Bad Writing? Okay it's bad writing then!
You're welcome. And you don't have to worry, I only enter passive-agressive mode whenever someone throws grievous accusations at the author over a work of fiction, but that's offtopic and I outright refuse to delve it further.
I just noticed that Tomura doesn´t know yet about Twice´s death, looking foward to that reaction. Also hoping for more Spinner´s screentime, since right now he is the only member of the league that truly cares about him (Toga is gone for now and I don´t buy Dabi caring about Twice or any other member)
On the other hand I wonder if Hori will show how Iida will react to Native´s death, saving someone only for them to die on the line of duty a couple of months later must really stink. I would include Todoroki and Iida, but those two have even more stuff to digest.
I think the main issue is that the readers placed more importance on the spectacle of the jailbreak than the author himself.
He obviously wasn't interested in showing a struggle, he moreso wanted to follow up on OFA's promise to not let the heroes rest,
to immediately strike again while everything was still reeling.
So that's what he did.
This was effectively a sucker punch for the heroes, since they wouldn't be expecting another major incident so soon,
and most of the prison's best heroes were probably sent to the fight, or were maybe even PLF members themselves.
Either way, the prison must have been short staffed due to the big fiasco that just happened,
and OFA took advantage of the fact that he could strike again while no one was expecting it or even ready for it.
Basically, I see what Hori went for here. This was meant to be easy. It was meant to look pathetic for the heroes.
That's part and parcel of the overall theme/plan of "ruining the stability/faith of hero society".
It's just that it clashes with our long-held expectations for a prison break, creating a conflict of interest between reader and author.
I think it just emphasizes how incompetent the society he created is and is a huge slap on himself.
This has all the flags and signs of the protagonist and his group of friends being greater than the world itself and set them up to be saviours that would right all wrong.
Not necessarily a bad thing if the world building and pacing is done right.
But at this point, our MC basically carried the crisis hard and he's just a student.
Like if we have a meter for competency and ability, Deku is 2nd or at least 3rd.
Which really brings to the question of how much of this is planned and how the world building is pretty crappy.
This is the same shit as the 5 Kage Summit, the samurais or the different villages in Naruto
Where it was all interesting stuff but shaft because the author wants to pull off something illogical, denying all importance and sense of belief in his world building.
Some steps can't be taken back.
Also this whole protagonist is greater and will solve the problems of the world despite being a kid became very very in your face in Naruto.
Which is the route Hero seems to be going.
It's a quality check that wasn't met, basically.
I will throw Horikoshi a bone here and say that since the beginning Japan has been shown to over rely on heroes and All Might in particular. It does make sense that the moment he had to retire that it would slowly fall apart. I do agree that it is ridiculous that a bunch of first year high school students are some of the most resourceful and competent heroes in that society.
It is like when they stormed Overhaul's base. I can understand having students assists the adults in the mission but they did most of the heavy lifting. A society that uses students like child soldiers and creating people like Deku that are willing to become crippled for the cause should honestly crumble/be reformed. It makes it all the more sad that the villains are a bunch of sociopaths with the main one thinking he is in Dragon Quest desiring to be the greatest "Demon lord". No charismatic leader with a political agenda that makes sense to give the main characters pause and questioning if what they are doing is truly right. It really is a big missed opportunity.
This has all the flags and signs of the protagonist and his group of friends being greater than the world itself.
I take this as a cardinal sin in world building. This happen regardless of the main character, the world doesn't spin around him.
I can understand the magazine philosophy of simple narrative given the "target" demographic, but they well know that the target demographic is a just a small percentage of it's readers and let the author develop the world and it's history as he damn well pleases.
Called.
! We getting the aftermath two days after the jailbreak.
"There was a big event so the prison was short staffed" doesn't explain why the built in security was so shit.
It's a comic book with superheroes, that have no limits on the range of their powers, so the limits are the author's imagination.
You could have the prison be a reinforced void hovering inside a hollow mountain with no sides touching anything physical so it's impossible to breach from the outside. You can bury it inside a volcano or under the sea or five miles underground or in something that teleports to a new location hourly, or all of the above. Have a super AI keeping tabs on these things at all times or a hero that created a 27 layer force shield. Have ten thousand automated guns that shoot out pre-stocked sticky balls that Mineta made. Require a DNA lock and eye scan to open any door. Make every door 4 foot thick steel. Create a quirk that literally puts it in an alternate dimension.
It doesn't matter if its not tech that we see in the regular world, it only needs to be built one time, with unlimited funds, with the powers of one given quirk invented just for this situation.
Not just… I guess its basically a regular building that anyone could get to that's normally guarded by a few extra people that can be beaten with a single emp..
Mostly this makes me want to go back and read Worm again. The heroes and villains and the worldbuilding were competent there.
Vigilantes 94
! Damn, Nomura killed
ZenigataPopsOguro's detective friend. Right when he was uncovering the truth.
The dumb rhinos from Kung Fu Panda did a better job than these guys.
Of course, that served to make Tai Lung seem INCREDIBLY badass and unstoppable. They had him at the bottom of a pit, weighed down under a dozen locks while chained to boulders, and immmediatley pulled all traditional escape routes away from him while constantly barraging him with attacks. And they had held him in place for years. And he escaped with the help of a feather.
If we'd gotten anything even remotely close to that prison break, none of us would be complaining.
The MH prison break just makes the heroes look ineffective.