lollll primarying a sitting president let’s ask the second terms of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Bush Sr. how those always end up.
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The hope is that a progressive will beat Biden in the 2024 primaries, but after seeing the latest CNN poll I'm really starting to think Trump will win after all.
It would be nice if the Democrats would abandon this strategy:
[qimg]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364114518059646986/747923648643596458/8nrin4bqpri51.jpg[/qimg]The hope is that Biden will beat Trump in 2020.
Also, isn't it premature to wish a primary on Biden when (a) he's not even in office yet to be primaried, and (b) we don't know if he'll be a bad enough president to warrant primarying?
You can call him non-progresdive all you want but isn't his current platform still pretty damn progressive compared to past presidential candidates (excluding those who didn't make it last primaries just to dodge the obvious counterpoint)
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The only thing that's turning me off to Biden at the moment is Biden's plan to be like every president before him by not deciding to stop coddling Israel's government for their obviously shitty policies.
Doesn't make me dislike him enough that I want to see him lose let alone be primaried.
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lollll primarying a sitting president let’s ask the second terms of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Bush Sr. how those always end up.
Biden wants to be a one term president anyway, so we won't need to primary the messiah of mediocrity himself, lol.
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The hope is that a progressive will beat Biden in the 2024 primaries, but after seeing the latest CNN poll I'm really starting to think Trump will win after all.
This was always going to happen, but people called me crazy for just seeing it ahead of things. The race was always going to tighten as we got closer, which it clearly is in every state, then Trump Pulls ahead, then he wins.
I don't know why anyone thinks this is going to go any different.
It would be nice if the Democrats would abandon this strategy:
[qimg]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364114518059646986/747923648643596458/8nrin4bqpri51.jpg[/qimg]To be fair, which Of the following two do you think is making themselves seem more attractive to the dems:
"I've always voted Republican but Trump is just so bad I can't in good conscious vote for him. I don't know what to do."
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"Biden is worse than Trump. He's worse than Hitler! I will NEVER vote for him unless he personally comes to my house, gets on his knees, apologizes for rigging the primary against Bernie and promises to support M4A"If you insist you're never ever for realities ever going to vote for Biden, Don't be surprised when he gives up on you.
The right way to do this would be to come out in full force and vote for Biden so the numbers show a HUGE wave of young Progressives voting, then the Dems will look at that and go "Wait, that Demographic is finally voting?! QUICK, DO WHAT WE CAN TO CATER TO THEM!!"
Not voting and having that number be low (Again) only reinforces what they already think. Old more conservative people can be relied on to vote, young people are lazy and fickle and not reliable enough to bother courting.
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This was always going to happen, but people called me crazy for just seeing it ahead of things. The race was always going to tighten as we got closer, which it clearly is in every state, then Trump Pulls ahead, then he wins.
I don't know why anyone thinks this is going to go any different.
To be fair, which Of the following two do you think is making themselves seem more attractive to the dems:
"I've always voted Republican but Trump is just so bad I can't in good conscious vote for him. I don't know what to do."
or
"Biden is worse than Trump. He's worse than Hitler! I will NEVER vote for him unless he personally comes to my house, gets on his knees, apologizes for rigging the primary against Bernie and promises to support M4A"If you insist you're never ever for realities ever going to vote for Biden, Don't be surprised when he gives up on you.
The right way to do this would be to come out in full force and vote for Biden so the numbers show a HUGE wave of young Progressives voting, then the Dems will look at that and go "Wait, that Demographic is finally voting?! QUICK, DO WHAT WE CAN TO CATER TO THEM!!"
Not voting and having that number be low (Again) only reinforces what they already think. Old more conservative people can be relied on to vote, young people are lazy and fickle and not reliable enough to bother courting.
People saying biden is worse than trumpy are dumb as shit. I just don't believe he's going to take enough steps forward and I hate being told "the status quo before trump is as good as it gets, so shut up and settle for biden. Don't make waves, toe the line asshole."
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I honestly just don't see that it matters. The choices are Biden or Trump, that's it, and there's nothing so terrible about Joe Biden that it makes giving Donald Trump a second term the better alternative.
It's less about not making waves or toeing the line and more about "what the hell else is there to pick from?"
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People saying biden is worse than trumpy are dumb as shit. I just don't believe he's going to take enough steps forward and I hate being told "the status quo before trump is as good as it gets, so shut up and settle for biden. Don't make waves, toe the line asshole."
Too many people seem to believe that real change can only come from the presidency and that is absolutely and categorically false.
HONESTLY, nothing would have fundamentally changed if Bernie had become President either.
Things were ALWAYS Going to get better from the bottom up. Keep the Dems afloat and in power while we seed more progressives into congress.
If you vote for Biden, but also vote for as many progressive candidates as you can and we give Biden the presidency, but give him a sizable Progressive chunk of the Democrat party, THAT communicates the proper message.
That will say:
A: The young people aren't lazy apathetic idiots who refuse to vote, they are a voting body worth courting.
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B: Look at who they voted for on the down ticket.Plus, those new progressives will be IN Congress and able to be part of lawmaking. With a sizable enough chunk in congress, the Dems will know they have to compromise and give them some of what they want if they want their votes to get shit passed.
So THEN they start listening.
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I guess I really do need to keep saying, but yes biden is better than trumpy. I'm not disputing that. It's the fact that establishment dems have me over a barrel and are playing the "if you don't support our guy you are personally responsible for trump's win." It's not remotely true, but it's the stance they've taken. How is that supposed to make me want to fall in line again?
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Too many people seem to believe that real change can only come from the presidency and that is absolutely and categorically false.
HONESTLY, nothing would have fundamentally changed if Bernie had become President either.
Things were ALWAYS Going to get better from the bottom up. Keep the Dems afloat and in power while we seed more progressives into congress.
If you vote for Biden, but also vote for as many progressive candidates as you can and we give Biden the presidency, but give him a sizable Progressive chunk of the Democrat party, THAT communicates the proper message.
That will say:
A: The young people aren't lazy apathetic idiots who refuse to vote, they are a voting body worth courting.
and.
B: Look at who they voted for on the down ticket.Plus, those new progressives will be IN Congress and able to be part of lawmaking. With a sizable enough chunk in congress, the Dems will know they have to compromise and give them some of what they want if they want their votes to get shit passed.
So THEN they start listening.
The president is the figurehead of the entire nation. A progressive president would make the progressive movement mainstrram.
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The president is the figurehead of the entire nation. A progressive president would make the progressive movement mainstream.
It would have helped galvanize progressives. A little.
That's it.
The hard work would still have been the same. Run more progressives on the down ticket, seed them into congress, get enough of a chunk of congress that you can throw some weight around. THEN Real change happens.
This isn't "Incremental Change" vs "Massive Radical Change" it's "Incremental Change" vs "Very Slightly Faster Incremental Change".
And I agree. It sucks. It REALLY sucks. I want things to change faster, so even that little bit would have been nice. It's not where we are right now.
My point was simply that A: The moderate boomer Dems and disillusioned boomer Republicans are still there and still exist and still vote reliably, and B: Younger Progressives still haven't done anything to show they're a reliable voting bloc and instead are, in a pretty uniform voice saying "Don't bother trying to court us. Go to hell, we hate you" to the Dems.
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The non-establishment Dems had their chance in the primary. People went for Biden, but the non-establishment influence is there given how Biden has been working with them to make his platform
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To be fair, which Of the following two do you think is making themselves seem more attractive to the dems:
"I've always voted Republican but Trump is just so bad I can't in good conscious vote for him. I don't know what to do."
or
"Biden is worse than Trump. He's worse than Hitler! I will NEVER vote for him unless he personally comes to my house, gets on his knees, apologizes for rigging the primary against Bernie and promises to support M4A"If you insist you're never ever for realities ever going to vote for Biden, Don't be surprised when he gives up on you.
Those statements are inaccurate. They should be:
I've always voted Republican but Trump is just so bad I can't in good conscious vote for him. I don't know what to do… but I can't support those commies burning down our cities. I know a vote for Biden is a vote for that.
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Biden is the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have chosen. I can't support the horrible, corrupt, election-rigging DNC. I don't want to vote Biden, but I also really want to get Trump out. It would be nice if Biden and the media would show us a little respect for once.
As for this:
Biden is worse than Trump. He's worse than Hitler! I will NEVER vote for him unless he personally comes to my house, gets on his knees, apologizes for rigging the primary against Bernie and promises to support M4A
No one's ever said that. You just built a strawman so you could take your anger out on the left.
You really need to stop doing that.The right way to do this would be to come out in full force and vote for Biden so the numbers show a HUGE wave of young Progressives voting, then the Dems will look at that and go "Wait, that Demographic is finally voting?! QUICK, DO WHAT WE CAN TO CATER TO THEM!!"
Not voting and having that number be low (Again) only reinforces what they already think. Old more conservative people can be relied on to vote, young people are lazy and fickle and not reliable enough to bother courting.
A huge wave of progressives came out and voted for Clinton. The media just spent four years blaming them for her loss.
A huge wave of progressives came out and voted for Obama. He gave us healthcare but was a disappointment on most issues, notably enabling the expansion of our intelligence agencies and dragging his feet on withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan. He also ordered the killing of an American citizen without trial and never provided evidence of his guilt to the public.
When we raised complaints about Obama's failure to live up to reasonable expectations leading up to the 2012 election, the media called us racist and lumped us in with birthers.A huge wave of progressives voted for Kerry in 2004, but something sketchy happened in Ohio that cost him the election, and the Democrats just let Bush keep the presidency. At least they didn't blame us that time.
The reason Democrats don't try to court progressives is because we already have a long history of whoring ourselves out to them in exchange for very little.
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One thing so always remember: Senators and Congressmen are REALLY important, so don't fucking sit home for those votes.
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All I asked was that they stop treating us like garbage and then blaming us for their political losses when people wake up to the fact that the Democratic Party doesn't want our opinions or our votes.
That's flat out false and here's the proof.
You're seeing a vocal minority of people shitting on progressives and assuming that's the entire DNC platform, meanwhile I post what I will admit is likely the same in what I'm seeing progressives do, and you accuse me of strawmanning.
Pot, meet kettle.
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That's flat out false and here's the proof.
You're seeing a vocal minority of people shitting on progressives and assuming that's the entire DNC platform, meanwhile I post what I will admit is likely the same in what I'm seeing progressives do, and you accuse me of strawmanning.
Pot, meet kettle.
I wasn't talking about the platform, I was talking about how the media and politicians themselves treat us.
That "vocal minority" is a huge chunk of MSNBC.The platform obviously matters but you can't use that as evidence to prove that there hasn't been an ongoing campaign to blame Hillary's loss (and Biden's, prematurely) on the left for years.
It's good that they're making concessions now but the complaint was that they've historically treated us like crap, which is important and could have consequences in November.
Edit: or in 2022, or 2024, or whenever the breaking point eventually is.
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One thing so always remember: Senators and Congressmen are REALLY important, so don't fucking sit home for those votes.
Well unless you’re one of the few unlucky people who’re fucked because they’re not on the voter rolls or doesn’t live in close proximity to a polling location due to it being gclosed down for reasons with no viable means to get to the one furthest away.
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Whoa, turns out Rod Rosenstein, another GOP daddy beloved by liberals, was also trying to cover up Trump’s crimes.
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Whoa, turns out Rod Rosenstein, another GOP daddy beloved by liberals, was also trying to cover up Trump’s crimes.
Beat you to the punch by a day:ninja:.
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The hope is that a progressive will beat Biden in the 2024 primaries, but after seeing the latest CNN poll I'm really starting to think Trump will win after all.
Both of these things you want to happen, Biden losing now or in 4 years is exactly why I still think you want Trump to win.
The polls are still clear that Biden is ahead. We are not even at Labor Day yet. So people need to stop the panic party as well.
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Pretty sure blue doesn't want biden to lose now, lol. That comes later, after the immediate threat has been dealt with.
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Pretty sure blue doesn't want biden to lose now, lol. That comes later, after the immediate threat has been dealt with.
You should accept the very real possibility that he loses however. It'll soften the blow if he does.The only reason they want Biden to win that I can see is they are worried some dumb twitter kids who don't vote but bitch endlessly will get the blame for Biden's defeat. Which is something no one should really care about to be honest. The fact they view Biden as a threat at all is telling in my book. Wanting to primary him? You might as well vote for the GOP then.
Every Democrat losing is a huge blow regardless of if you think it's likely or not. And right now, it's not likely he'll lose.
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The only reason they want Biden to win that I can see is they are worried some dumb twitter kids who don't vote but bitch endlessly will get the blame for Biden's defeat. Which is something no one should really care about to be honest. The fact they view Biden as a threat at all is telling in my book. Wanting to primary him? You might as well vote for the GOP then.
Every Democrat losing is a huge blow regardless of if you think it's likely or not. And right now, it's not likely he'll lose.
From what I can tell, blue is like me. To us, biden is duct tape slapped on the bumper of your car. It stops the immediate problem, but it is by no means fixed. And those "dumb twitter kids" are the future of the country, whether you like it or not. It might not be such a bad thing to at the very least stop treating them as disposable. Lastly, I don't think you're in any position to lecture anyone about democrats losing, when you were disappointed certain squad members swept their elections. It seems any democrat who isn't center-left at best is seen as an annoyance to you.
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That gap is beginning to close a bit. How exciting! This race is gonna be close.
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That gap is beginning to close a bit. How exciting! This race is gonna be close.
Not likely. I'm expecting biden to win the popular vote by a fairly significant margin, but lose the electoral college. A straightforward repeat of 2016 pretty much.
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From what I can tell, blue is like me. To us, biden is duct tape slapped on the bumper of your car. It stops the immediate problem, but it is by no means fixed.
So primary him to ensure he loses to whoever the GOP nom is. What a great fix there.
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And those "dumb twitter kids" are the future of the country, whether you like it or not. It might not be such a bad thing to at the very least stop treating them as disposable.
They have to actually vote first. They don't. Not even for the people they claim they want. If they want the blame to stop there is a simple way to fix it.
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Lastly, I don't think you're in any position to lecture anyone about democrats losing, when you were disappointed certain squad members swept their elections. It seems any democrat who isn't center-left at best is seen as an annoyance to you.
You didn't seem to pay attention to my posts. So you're incorrect. I take issue with corruption and downplaying how important it is for Trump to lose here.
Also safe blue seats that will always vote Dem no matter what is not the same thing as the White House here.
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@Dorobō:
So primary him to ensure he loses to whoever the GOP nom is. What a great fix there.
They have to actually vote first. They don't. Not even for the people they claim they want. If they want the blame to stop there is a simple way to fix it.
You didn't seem to pay attention to my posts. So you're incorrect. I take issue with corruption and downplaying how important it is for Trump to lose here.
You were disappointed Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar won their elections. Probably because they're not centrist dem hacks, lol. Also, what corruption are you insinuating? Everyone knows how important it is for trumpy to lose. That's why we've decided to settle for biden. For now.
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@The:
Probably because they're not centrist dem hacks, lol.
Nope. Go back and read my posts.
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Also, what corruption are you insinuating? Everyone knows how important it is for trumpy to lose.
Omar's campaign was paying her husband's firm tons of money. She is pretty corrupt. Also an anti-semite. Which should make everyone want to distance themselves from her. The rest of the squad would be better off without her.
And if everyone did, than Tlaib would have endorsed Biden.
@The:
That's why we've decided to settle for biden. For now.
I don't really get the settling if you just want him to lose to the next fascist the GOP props up.
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@Dorobō:
Nope.
Omar's campaign was paying her husband's firm tons of money. She is pretty corrupt. Also an anti-semite. Which should make everyone want to distance themselves from her. The rest of the squad would be better off without her.
And if everyone did, than Tlaib would have endorsed Biden.
I don't really get the settling if you just want him to lose to the next fascist the GOP props up.
The hope is that someone better comes along and we can be done with biden. But I feel like you're imagining an election where biden is primaried (if he even runs for a second term) loses, and then the republican nominee runs unopposed. Which is absolutely not the case. We want a good solid progressive to primary biden, win, and then go on to thrash whatever dumpster fire the republicans nominate.
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@The:
The hope is that someone better comes along and we can be done with biden.
That won't be happening. Best to let that hope die now.
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But I feel like you're imagining an election where biden is primaried (if he even runs for a second term) loses, and then the republican nominee runs unopposed.
I am thinking of the more likely case of him winning the primary but it causes a weakness in the party that leads to the GOP winning. See Kaio's post mocking this stupid as fuck idea of a primary with a sitting president.
@The:
We want a good solid progressive to primary biden, win, and then go on to thrash whatever dumpster fire the republicans nominate.
That won't be happening.
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@Dorobō:
That won't be happening. Best to let that hope die now.
I am thinking of the more likely case of him winning the primary but it causes a weakness in the party that leads to the GOP winning. See Kaio's post mocking this stupid as fuck idea of a primary with a sitting president.
That won't be happening.
Yeah, why ever try to make things better? Just shut up and settle for mediocrity. It's probably the best we can do anyway. With shitheads like biden at least. Once people like you and him are out of the way, we can actually start to make progress. And unfortunately for you, the country gets more and more progressive with each generation. Tick tock, Neko. You're a dying breed. Literally.
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@Dorobō:
Both of these things you want to happen, Biden losing now or in 4 years is exactly why I still think you want Trump to win.
The polls are still clear that Biden is ahead. We are not even at Labor Day yet. So people need to stop the panic party as well.
Eh… wanting him to lose a primary is not even remotely the same as wanting Trump to win.
The gradually closing poll gap between Trump and Biden is worth being concerned over, and it's hard to imagine that the 2024 election won't be extremely difficult for Biden seeing as he'll be dealing with the economic fallout, body count, and widespread long-term medical problems from a pandemic that half the population isn't willing to help fight back against.
@Dorobō:
So primary him to ensure he loses to whoever the GOP nom is. What a great fix there.
You have this weirdly extreme pattern of black and white thinking, where somehow the only good Democrat is a centrist Democrat.
If a progressive beats Biden in the 2024 primary all the same people who were going to vote for Biden will show up to vote for them in the general election. They might even pick up more votes, which the Democrats will probably be needing halfway through a depression.@Dorobō:
You didn't seem to pay attention to my posts. So you're incorrect. I take issue with corruption and downplaying how important it is for Trump to lose here.
Also safe blue seats that will always vote Dem no matter what is not the same thing as the White House here.
Are the squad corrupt?
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Tick tock, Neko. You're a dying breed. Literally.
Truly a way to win over people.
Take your assumptions and your presumptuous tone elsewhere.
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@Dorobō:
Truly a way to win over people.
Take your assumptions and your presumptuous tone elsewhere.
You are well past winning over, lol.
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Eh… wanting him to lose a primary is not even remotely the same as wanting Trump to win.
Well if he ends up somehow running again or it's Don Jr. it is.
The gradually closing poll gap between Trump and Biden is worth being concerned over,
Wait until there are better polls out after Labor Day.
and it's hard to imagine that the 2024 election won't be extremely difficult for Biden seeing as he'll be dealing with the economic fallout, body count, and widespread long-term medical problems from a pandemic that half the population isn't willing to help fight back against.
You really want Biden to take blame for things Trump did to the point you want the GOP to win in 2024. Got it.
Also who says he'll get the blame? He'll just be an unknown candidate in 4 years! Why would people blame him???!
You have this weirdly extreme pattern of black and white thinking, where somehow the only good Democrat is a centrist Democrat.
Incorrect and projection of your idea that "progressive" Democrats are the only good ones and that they are the only ones that can win.
If a progressive beats Biden in the 2024 primary all the same people who were going to vote for Biden will show up to vote for them in the general election. They might even pick up more votes, which the Democrats will probably be needing halfway through a depression.
That's not going to happen though. And your wild daydreams sure are something. All a primary will do is ensure the GOP's victory. Which is the only reason I can see that you want it to happen in 4 years.
Are the squad corrupt?
Omar is. Been over this already.
Are they treating this election as frivolous in some way that other Democrats aren't?
Tlaib has been.
Side note that it would be nice if people stopped viewing all 4 of these ladies as one person. I know it's not going to happen but yeah.
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For yet another weight on the "Trump sucks" scale, he's defending the Kenosha shooter:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2zXo2UvsU6RCWqIclKogcSn-DmAQyya_w1JXoQWHf4RBk8GRdPAv1QTmU&fbclid=IwAR30uvX_JXn4V3sQgbweFmOdmTUO4tWfA4AJWmb9-GLbgNb3l1tSqRthzf4 -
For yet another weight on the "Trump sucks" scale, he's defending the Kenosha shooter:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2zXo2UvsU6RCWqIclKogcSn-DmAQyya_w1JXoQWHf4RBk8GRdPAv1QTmU&fbclid=IwAR30uvX_JXn4V3sQgbweFmOdmTUO4tWfA4AJWmb9-GLbgNb3l1tSqRthzf4I do believe the weight at this point has already fallen over.
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I think it's bizarre to say that Biden isn't progressive enough.
He supports affirmative action and opposes capital punishment. It looks like he will probably push for policing reforms, and also make prekindergarten schools free for everyone. He's also in support of legislation protecting women and LGBTQ people. On social issues alone, Biden is certainly very progressive and can be expected to aid progress on these fronts. I wouldn't be surprised if he also begins to change his position on drugs, especially considering the ubiquitous popularity of marijuana legalization in the US. If the democrats gain a majority in the Senate with this election (which seems likely), it wouldn't be surprising for most of these issues get addressed and for our laws to show significant progress on the social front.
It's true that his economic policies are closer to what some of you are calling centrist, but that doesn't matter much considering that most of congress also tends to vote that way… even with democratic majorities in both chambers, it's unlikely that we'll see huge strides toward more progressive economic programs (like a single payer health care system). Having Bernie for president wouldn't change that probability much, either. Frankly, most democratic lawmakers aren't really in support of big progressive economic reforms like some of you seem to be wishing for. It'd take a lot more progressive legislators to make that sort of thing happen.
In the end, there's only so much one person can do, even if they are the chief executive of the country. I think that a lot of people tend to forget that most of the damage done by Trump over the last four years came from the fact that he also had an allied Senate (and House for the first two years), full of republican lawmakers that spawned out of the Tea Party movement during the Obama terms. It was the combination of a far right president and legislative branch that led to this mess.
If you really want big progressive changes in this country, then you need to work to build a new grassroots movement that focuses on progressive social and economic reform. Raise politicians in this movement, push the democratic party farther to the left, and then the chance of real progressive reform becomes much more significant.
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@Dorobō:
Well if he ends up somehow running again or it's Don Jr. it is.
You don't think a progressive can beat Don Jr?
@Dorobō:
You really want Biden to take blame for things Trump did to the point you want the GOP to win in 2024. Got it.
There are a bunch of logical leaps there.
First off, history should tell you that Republicans will naturally attempt to pin everything bad that's going on at the time of the election on the incumbent Democratic president. You should also be aware that the economy is a major factor in deciding elections, and an economic depression that covers the entirety of Biden's first term is going to weigh heavily on the minds of voters who will desperately want change.Why do you assume that just because I believe Biden is going to end up taking some heat for the consequences of Trump's failures that means I'm a secret Republican?
@Dorobō:
Also who says he'll get the blame? He'll just be an unknown candidate in 4 years! Why would people blame him???!
Huh? Is this a "what if" for if he loses?
Are people really just going to forget who Biden is in four years?@Dorobō:
Incorrect and projection of your idea that "progressive" Democrats are the only good ones and that they are the only ones that can win.
I never said that progressives were the only ones who could win.
I just didn't believe in Biden at all.I think it's bizarre to say that Biden isn't progressive enough.
He supports affirmative action and opposes capital punishment. It looks like he will probably push for policing reforms, and also make prekindergarten schools free for everyone. He's also in support of legislation protecting women and LGBTQ people. On social issues alone, Biden is certainly very progressive and can be expected to aid progress on these fronts. I wouldn't be surprised if he also begins to change his position on drugs, especially considering the ubiquitous popularity of marijuana legalization in the US. If the democrats gain a majority in the Senate with this election (which seems likely), it wouldn't be surprising for most of these issues get addressed and for our laws to show significant progress on the social front.
It's true that his economic policies are closer to what some of you are calling centrist, but that doesn't matter much considering that most of congress also tends to vote that way… even with democratic majorities in both chambers, it's unlikely that we'll see huge strides toward more progressive economic programs (like a single payer health care system). Having Bernie for president wouldn't change that probability much, either. Frankly, most democratic lawmakers aren't really in support of big progressive economic reforms like some of you seem to be wishing for. It'd take a lot more progressive legislators to make that sort of thing happen.
In the end, there's only so much one person can do, even if they are the chief executive of the country. I think that a lot of people tend to forget that most of the damage done by Trump over the last four years came from the fact that he also had an allied Senate (and House for the first two years), full of republican lawmakers that spawned out of the Tea Party movement during the Obama terms. It was the combination of a far right president and legislative branch that led to this mess.
If you really want big progressive changes in this country, then you need to work to build a new grassroots movement that focuses on progressive social and economic reform. Raise politicians in this movement, push the democratic party farther to the left, and then the chance of real progressive reform becomes much more significant.
My concern is that we're basically screwed as a country without a serious jump in economic policy to the left.
We're in a pandemic, tens of millions needed free healthcare back in April.
Now hundreds of millions are likely to need additional long-term treatment for disabilities acquired as a result of Trump's "just let everybody get sick" plan, but instead many of them are going to be forced to soldier on without proper medical care.There's also the debt crisis, much of the 1.6 trillion in student loan debt isn't going to be ever be paid back, and a further six or seven trillion in other debt will likely be defaulted on.
Wealth inequality was already a crisis before the pandemic hit, and now it's going to be a nightmare.
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To be fair, biden is probably going to forget who biden is in four years. Meaning he can run as a completely different candidate.
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You don't think a progressive can beat Don Jr?
If the progressive in question is Biden then yes, I think he can beat any Trump. But a primary will make things a lot harder than they need to be. The history track record on this is pretty clear. And a president Biden won't lose a primary. You need that to get into your thick skull already.
First off, history should tell you
If you're going to bring up history, you really need to get what a primary with a sitting president does already.
that Republicans will naturally attempt to pin everything bad that's going on at the time of the election on the incumbent Democratic president. You should also be aware that the economy is a major factor in deciding elections, and an economic depression that covers the entirety of Biden's first term is going to weigh heavily on the minds of voters who will desperately want change.
First off they already are doing that before he even has won this thing and it's not working. Also this assumes Biden can't get this mess under control as well. Huh wonder why you assume that?
Why do you assume that just because I believe Biden is going to end up taking some heat for the consequences of Trump's failures that means I'm a secret Republican?
I think you hate Biden because you have actually said that. You're wishing that he takes blame for Trump's failures right now. Which is weird and says a lot.
Are people really just going to forget who Biden is in four years?
According to you, people forgot who Biden was after 8 years of him being a popular VP. So sure, why not.
I never said that progressives were the only ones who could win.
You seem to think a "progressive" that would defeat Biden (which can't and won't happen) would bring in more votes. lol
I just didn't believe in Biden at all.
Yeah because you hate him for some reason and wished he didn't win the primary in a landslide. Hell you wished he would drop out after he won in a landslide which is just ???????? So maybe start thinking about why I think you want the GOP to win when you start hoping for a primary that would only help the GOP.
@The:
To be fair, biden is probably going to forget who biden is in four years. Meaning he can run as a completely different candidate.
This is such a gross post.
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For yet another weight on the "Trump sucks" scale, he's defending the Kenosha shooter:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/908137377/trump-defends-kenosha-shooting-suspect?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2zXo2UvsU6RCWqIclKogcSn-DmAQyya_w1JXoQWHf4RBk8GRdPAv1QTmU&fbclid=IwAR30uvX_JXn4V3sQgbweFmOdmTUO4tWfA4AJWmb9-GLbgNb3l1tSqRthzf4Well if you look at the current evidence there is cause for pause at the moment. The kids life may very well have been in danger. From what I’ve seen, he’s going to walk free if they try to slap him with a first-degree murder charge. Gotta tread very carefully here. Lots of moving parts and incomplete information.
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Well if you look at the current evidence there is cause for pause at the moment. The kids life may very well have been in danger. From what I’ve seen, he’s going to walk free if they try to slap him with a first-degree murder charge. Gotta tread very carefully here. Lots of moving parts and incomplete information.
Idiotic kid with an assault rifle wanting to shoot people got chased and murdered people. The other people didn't have weapons, and most people are not looking to murder others, just apprehend people and turn them in. Kid literally shoots someone in the head, people saw it and tried to chase and apprehend him because he is a murderer. He is an idiotic cowardly piece of shit that just murdered someone so he decided to shoot and murder at least 1 other person chasing him.
There is no defense for murdering people just because they chased you. I guess every police officer murdered for chasing a suspect is just. The police officers have guns, have proven that they're murderers, so any person would be right to think that police chasing them means their life is in danger.
How many idiots can seriously justify cold-blooded murder?
You know when your life is in danger? When some asshole points a loaded gun at you. So by your logic the people who he murdered had every right to murder him because their lives were in obvious danger.
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Idiotic kid with an assault rifle wanting to shoot people got chased and murdered people. The other people didn't have weapons, and most people are not looking to murder others, just apprehend people and turn them in. Kid literally shoots someone in the head, people saw it and tried to chase and apprehend him because he is a murderer. He is an idiotic cowardly piece of shit that just murdered someone so he decided to shoot and murder at least 1 other person chasing him.
There is no defense for murdering people just because they chased you. I guess every police officer murdered for chasing a suspect is just. The police officers have guns, have proven that they're murderers, so any person would be right to think that police chasing them means their life is in danger.
How many idiots can seriously justify cold-blooded murder?
You know when your life is in danger? When some asshole points a loaded gun at you. So by your logic the people who he murdered had every right to murder him because their lives were in obvious danger.
There’s a big difference between a police officer chasing you and a group of violent(?) protesters/vigilantes. If I were a 17 yr old kid being chased down by a group of grown men, I’d be afraid for my life as well.
Nowhere in my previous post did I justify murder. I said there’s a lot of moving parts and that not all the facts of the case are out there yet. Though it has nothing to do with the shooting and whether or not it was justified, one of the men he shot And killed was a convicted pedo. So we know at least one of the people chasing him down has a history of inflicting bodily harm on children.
What do you mean “by my logic”? I’m literally saying, lets wait for all the facts to come out. And I don’t know about you, but me personally? I wouldn’t run at a dude with an assault rifle or project hostile intentions at someone whose armed if I wasn’t also armed. Maybe I’m crazy and thats just me though.
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Going armed to a place where’s a protest of a cause you disagree, smells to me intent of creating trouble.
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Going armed to a place where’s a protest of a cause you disagree, smells to me intent of creating trouble.
He wasn’t licensed to carry so they will get him on that, but good luck proving first degree murder.
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My concern is that we're basically screwed as a country without a serious jump in economic policy to the left.
We're in a pandemic, tens of millions needed free healthcare back in April.
Now hundreds of millions are likely to need additional long-term treatment for disabilities acquired as a result of Trump's "just let everybody get sick" plan, but instead many of them are going to be forced to soldier on without proper medical care.There's also the debt crisis, much of the 1.6 trillion in student loan debt isn't going to be ever be paid back, and a further six or seven trillion in other debt will likely be defaulted on.
Wealth inequality was already a crisis before the pandemic hit, and now it's going to be a nightmare.
All of these factors together will likely doom the average person in more than one generation to a poor and miserable death if we don't make huge changes fast.I think you have some legitimate concerns here that need to be dealt with, for sure.
And I'm sure that, one way or another, those issues will be dealt with. They more than likely will be handled in a relatively progressive manner, but I wouldn't expect anything huge in the near future, even in the next decade or so. Again, even if Bernie had been the democratic nominee, there's little that he could have done without massive support for his policies from congress.
All signs seem to indicate that the country (and world) is in for a big economic downturn on the order of the great depression. That's sure to have an impact on both parties for many years to come, and it may even result in both parties getting a significant leftward shift. You're right that big changes soon could have good results for the economy, but they also could result in unforeseen problems. It's the main reason why so much progress in America seems to be two steps forward, one step back. If you change too many policies too quickly, then it's harder to be sure about which policies were effective and which weren't. And not all economically conservative policies are intrinsically bad… rampant inflation could be caused if too much money is dumped into safety net programs too quickly, and that wouldn't be good for anyone regardless of economic status.
I understand being stressed or angry about these things, but it's not very productive to assume the worst about Biden before he's even had a chance to get elected, much less actually govern. Give him a chance, temper your expectations, and be happy that the worst will likely be over as soon as Trump is out of the White House. That's my suggestion, anyway.
And then, as I said before, continue to be vocal about the direction you'd like to see economic policies go in the future. Help build a movement in the democratic party, and get more progressives into congress and the presidency. Then, you can legitimately start to expect significant moves in that direction from our government.
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To be fair, biden is probably going to forget who biden is in four years. Meaning he can run as a completely different candidate.
This is a shitty post, guy. You feel good saying stuff like this?