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Thank God by the end of Wano she'll either join or not, we won't have to deal with this BS either way

of course if she doesn't end up joining we may have some AGOG type posters who still think she may join later on…... let's hope that doesn't happen

I'd say Onigashima will end up unhabitated after Luffy is done with Kaido. Nice place for people with fur since it seems its oftenly cold in there.

Gia Sado

apparently you just glossed over what I wrote

I did because your points are utterly ridiculous. the argument was that Carrot, a unique rabbit mink, looks like other minks. I simply pointed out that the first 5 crew members are all "generically" human. You are actually trying not to point out Carrots unique traits lmao. How is carrot's nose not any more unique than Robin's? Like wtf is that argument?

Carrot is the only character that looks like Carrot, there are no other actual, named, Rabbit minks. Compare that shit to Wanda. She looks like a spitting image of Nami as a dog. In fact, before people knew who she was, people thought she WAS Nami for a chapter. There are also plenty of Dog minks.

So please, if i dont respond to you, its because there is nothing to respond to.

Shiebs

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Gia Sado

I mean, after you biasly said this

Whatever reason 'is easier to draw more defining traits'? was it that hard to give Carrot a scar, make her fat, gave her a more unique hairstyle, more unique hair color(we're still lacking a brunette), heck bunnies have a wide variety of colors, making her completely white is boring at the very least.

There is just NO reason to not give Carrot more defining traits, there was just never an attempt from the author to do so.

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I'd say Onigashima will end up unhabitated after Luffy is done with Kaido. Nice place for people with fur since it seems its oftenly cold in there.

She has…enough, what the hell. You can literally compare her to Wanda, two entirely different levels of uniqueness.

Edit: Apparently im being dense, good one Shiebs, way to make it personal before you deleted your comment. You guys aren't even arguing the same thing I am lmao

HeartOfDarkness

I will always love that fans will somehow bring down the original SH designs in order to justify liking furry boobs.

History is an actual thing, my dudes. Reading and understanding the patterns and cliches of this thread will go a long way to establish that you have something original to say. As of now, you dont. Fews years down the line, Carrot fanbase will disappear and the new "boob" theory will arise again.

Monquito

@Gia:

She has…enough, what the hell. You can literally compare her to Wanda, two entirely different levels of uniqueness.

And so are Bariette, Sicilian, Concelot, Giovanni, Roddy, Blackback, Pedro. they're all just different animals yes, widely different to each other. but not outstandingly unique, Neither of them.

Except for Pekomz who has a Zoan DF that differentiates him from all existing Minks. everyone else is just what you'd find in your local zoo.

Shiebs

@Gia:

I did because your points are utterly ridiculous. the argument was that Carrot, a unique rabbit mink, looks like other minks. I simply pointed out that the first 5 crew members are all "generically" human. You are actually trying not to point out Carrots unique traits lmao. How is carrot's nose not any more unique than Robin's? Like wtf is that argument?

Carrot is the only character that looks like Carrot, there are no other actual, named, Rabbit minks. Compare that shit to Wanda. She looks like a spitting image of Nami as a dog. In fact, before people knew who she was, people thought she WAS Nami for a chapter. There are also plenty of Dog minks.

So please, if i dont respond to you, its because there is nothing to respond to.

@HeartOfDarkness:

I will always love that fans will somehow bring down the original SH designs in order to justify liking furry boobs.

History is an actual thing, my dudes. Reading and understanding the patterns and cliches of this thread will go a long way to establish that you have something original to say. As of now, you dont. Fews years down the line, Carrot fanbase will disappear and the new "boob" theory will arise again.

LOL this

apparently everyone's design is unique enough to join the Straw Hat crew because no one else looks like said character so obviously there unique

also the first five look generally Human

not only did he apparently not understand my post AT ALL!! but he just wrote what might be the most cringe worthy defense for Carrot I have ever seen

Which I might add is not a good thing

Where is Robby at this time?

Gia Sado

@HeartOfDarkness:

I will always love that fans will somehow bring down the original SH designs in order to justify liking furry boobs.

History is an actual thing, my dudes. Reading and understanding the patterns and cliches of this thread will go a long way to establish that you have something original to say. As of now, you dont. Fews years down the line, Carrot fanbase will disappear and the new "boob" theory will arise again.

1. Absolutely dislike the concept of a "furry" personally.

2. I have no problem with people being furry's or liking them

3. Carrot is the most unique, female friendly "guest" character this series has had since Vivi. In design, personality, and events that have happened to her via Pedro.

So please, if you want to bring me and other supporters down for some baseless, derogatory, bullshit reason like "people like carrot so therefore they are furries", try a little harder next time

Ive already mentioned plenty of times in this thread that Carrot is worth paying attention to during Wano. If nothing happens, nothing happens. If its just Jinbe, great! I personally dont give a shit. What I do care about is this awkward self-entitlement half of APforums seems to have nowadays about what they THINK they know about One Piece when it comes to characters, yet Oda has been changing the game for years now. I MADE the comparison to early strawhats because YOU compared Carrot to other Minks when she looks nothing like them. Somehow YOUR argument trumps over mine because you think I cant make comparisons in design of main characters to a potential main character and her race..

Had slight respect for you when you brought the argument down and said lets wait and see, not anymore, cause I see that was BS

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And so are Bariette, Sicilian, Concelot, Giovanni, Roddy, Blackback, Pedro. they're all just different animals yes, widely different to each other. but not outstandingly unique, Neither of them.

Except for Pekomz who has a Zoan DF that differentiates him from all existing Minks. everyone else is just what you'd find in your local zoo.

If you, you know like, actually read 90% of my other posts in this thread, you realize that design literally was not even the point I was making about Carrot. HeartofDarkness cherry picked design of all things because its the easiest thing they can argue. I made plenty of other points that those Minks cant even be compared to. Hell, Carrot has a whole arc ahead of any other mink character.

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LOL this

apparently everyone's design is unique enough to join the Straw Hat crew because no one else looks like said character so obviously there unique

also the first five look generally Human

not only did he apparently not understand my post AT ALL!! but he just wrote what might be the most cringe worthy defense for Carrot I have ever seen

Which I might add is not a good thing

Where is Robby at this time?

Since apparently i dont read, you can read the above. My argument about Carrot wasnt even about design until you fools decided to start that argument.

Edit: Not once in the 13 years ive been here have I cared about Robby's opinions.

Monquito

@Gia:

If you, you know like, actually read 90% of my other posts in this thread, you realize that design literally was not even the point I was making about Carrot.

Also said by you like two posts ago;

Except that wasnt even MY argument. Brook is a "generic" skeleton with an afro. Take away the fact that he's the only one in existance, its still a skeleton. Im talking about design only. Is Nami more uniquely designed than 80% of Oda's attractive women? No right? So why is this a different argument? Carrot does not look like Nami. Carrot does not look like any female in this story.

What Am I supposed to make of it?

Hell, Carrot has a whole arc ahead of any other mink character.

She wasn't the only one, there was mostly other Minks always around, Pedro, Pekomz or Bepo. The chapters on which there's only Carrot are very few and she was gone for 60 chapters.

Gia Sado

Also said by you like two posts ago;

What Am I supposed to make of it?

She wasn't the only one, there was mostly other Minks always around, Pedro, Pekomz or Bepo. The chapters on which there's only Carrot are very few and she was gone for 60 chapters.

Oy fucking ve. That was already after HoD started the design argument. Jfc guys.

And Pedro is dead and he passed on his will to her. Pekoms was a BM pirate, not at all comparible. Bepo was not at WCI so im not even sure you understand the argument here.

Monquito

@Gia:

Oy fucking ve. That was already after HoD started the design argument. Jfc guys.

Ok then.

And Pedro is dead and he passed on her will.

Yes, the will to make a crew that searches ponegylphs. Agreed.

Pekoms was a BM pirate, not at all comparible.

soooo???
Carrot is a musketeer, servant of Inuarashi. what being part of something else has to do with anything? I was under the impression that your point was that she participated in WCI, yeah so did Pekomz.

Bepo was not at WCI so im not even sure you understand the argument here.

I'm refering to the moment they arrived Wano, Bepo, another Mink immediately joined the gang, making Carrot(once again) not the only Mink around.

Gia Sado

Ok then.

Yes, the will to make a crew that searches ponegylphs. Agreed.

soooo???
Carrot is a musketeer, servant of Inuarashi. what being part of something else has to do with anything? I was under the impression that your point was that she participated in WCI, yeah so did Pekomz.

I'm refering to the moment they arrived Wano, Bepo, another Mink immediately joined the gang, making Carrot(once again) not the only Mink around.

Pedro's literal will was to join the Pirate Kings ship and help lead him to dawn. When Roger died only then did the Nox pirates search for Poneglyphs.

I understand the Peckoms argument but he is not nearly as characterized as Carrot so…

Im unsure about this whole silly argument about Carrot being the only Mink allowed to exist if shes a strawhat. What if Jinbe shows up with the Sun Pirates? They all fight like Jinbe but apparently that didnt hurt Jinbe's chances. And yes, I understand that Jinbe was the captain of the sun pirates.

Monquito

@Gia:

Pedro's literal will was to join the Pirate Kings ship and help lead him to dawn. When Roger died only then did the Nox pirates search for Poneglyphs.

Said search came ultimately pointless, since he failed at it, but we were still told about it and spent panel time on it, leading me to believe, we're heading towards something with a pirate mink crew and a search for poneglyphs.

I understand the Peckoms argument but he is not nearly as characterized as Carrot so…

If that's the point, Law and Kin'emon beat her ass, easily.
if the point is to compare that to other Minks, well, Inu and Neko do as well.

Im unsure about this whole silly argument about Carrot being the only Mink allowed to exist if shes a strawhat. What if Jinbe shows up with the Sun Pirates? They all fight like Jinbe but apparently that didnt hurt Jinbe's chances. And yes, I understand that Jinbe was the captain of the sun pirates.

nah, just pointing out that quantity don't really help her that much, when she shared lots of those chapters with other minks and there's characters that have been even longer with the SH's, namely Law, Kin'emon and Momo.
and yeah, she was gone for 60 chapters…

Claudio

So, there's no fluid like aura on the completely covered swords in chapter 937? You sure you want to lie again? Keep in mind, this is where we started and you had to go to another point and get lost in all of your points.

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Yes but it's not like the "fluid aura" of episode 719 and in that episode the swords are completely covered in "armament" while in chapter 937 it's only the blades. Why don't you say anything about that?

HeartOfDarkness

@Gia:

Had slight respect for you when you brought the argument down and said lets wait and see, not anymore, cause I see that was BS

Kid, I was pretty vocal when the whole "Carrot will join" bandwagon started and have seen whatever "arguments" that have been put forward.

None of them are convincing or make sense or are any different from the thousand other arguments made for the pretty-female character that had a following. You may think you are enlightening us here. You.Are.Not.

This isn't different. You pretending that this is all some new ground is what made me even post. It's not. Maybe there is a chance that Carrot can somehow join but you people aren't making a convincing argument for anyone who isn't drinking the kool-aid. So please before you embarrass yourself even further, go read the damn debates and then come back AND THINK if you are really adding anything to it.

You are allowed to be wrong…...

Not once in the 13 years ive been here have I cared about Robby's opinions.

You should.

Robby, for one, has a better understanding of the series than whatever you claim to be on about. I mean you suggested that Shanks is a final villain because you didn't want Blackbeard to be one so…..yea I wouldn't really get on that high-horse if I was you.

he is not nearly as characterized as Carrot

1.) Carrot hasn't been characterized that much. On paper, she is a pretty one-note side character whose greatest strength as a character comes from the fact that she broke the boundaries of "male" and "female" in the crew. Suggesting that there is some deep characterization of Carrot from Oda is just false. Oda added more depth to Senior Pink, for example, far greater than anything he did for Carrot. Even the flashback, which is one of Oda's greatest writing skills, added up being meh and pointless. Hell, Oda has done a better job at exploring Orochi then he did with Carrot which is a clear sign as any that Oda ultimately doesn't favor Carrot as much as the fanboys seem to think.

2.) Pekoms is a far far more interesting character with potential to have deeper backstory since he is the only one in the Minks group who failed to achieve his Sulong-mode. That differentiates him from the rest. He also had more moments with Luffy so yea…..

Cockycent

Yes but it's not like the "fluid aura" of episode 719 and in that episode the swords are completely covered in "armament" while in chapter 937 it's only the blades. Why don't you say anything about that?

I have said that they aren't exactly the same. I even pointed out how WB and Roger's aura differ as well. It's aura that Oda didn't include until ch 937.

Before ch 937, we never saw a fluid aura at all on Zoro's fully covered blades. We've established this. Ch. 787 doesn't consistently keep the aura because it's an effect to ignite and it dissipates. Why was the aura not consistently kept on the blades in the manga til 937? Before ch 937, we get aura, it's design is different, but it is on Zoro's totally covered blades in episode 719. You keep ignoring the actual manga and confusing yourself.

This is what happens when you jump into things that you really don't care about.

Robby

Where is Robby at this time?

If you really want my input on this just go back randomly 50 or 100 or 300 pages, or to the previous thread and just jump around at like 50 page increments. I'm sure in very short order you can find an argument that mostly fits this exact thing where you won't need to change a single word to fit the current argument. Feel free to just quote me if its going to be a design argument again dealing with the same characters we've been talking about for years now.

Here's two posts from 200 pages back, a year and a half ago. I literally didn't try to look any harder than that, I just went back 200 pages and this was the first post by me, and its on this exact topic. Again.

The point asked again and again and again, is where is that little bit of extra.

Oda gives all the strawhats little extra details, little bits that inform the character and their history and make them stand out, even among their peers. We've been over this a million times, we don't need to go over buzz cut/green hair/three earrings/multiple scars/triple sword for the entire crew again.

Where's Carrot's extra something, anything?

I've been asking this for months and no one ever has a good answer. They always fall back on "rabbit" related details, which just isn't enough when we already have "reindeer"… who has more thought and backstory put into his design. Chopper exists, so Carrot has to be just as special.

Less is fine for a secondary. She doesn't have a bad design. But a permanent main character, from Oda, needs more.

And in brief, in case the context doesn't make it clear, Chopper was already the first and only walking talking animal in the series when he showed up, that would have been enough by itself to guarantee a crew spot at the time. But he also had the unique hat, broken antler, blue nose, unique hands, and 7 transformations. All of that was right away, it didn't wait 200 chapters to give him a unique detail or first break his horn, it didn't take years before we first saw Hiriluk in a two panel flashback giving him his hat ,or develop his transformations later, he started with backstory details and history and multiple forms, all of which we saw pretty much immediately.

It's not just being unique. Because you can make any crazy weird shaped person for unique. Oda made one of the world leaders a guy with a big mustache and a sombrero with a cactus on it. And that stands out and is unique. But that's just general flavor.

It's the THOUGHT, the little details. The something that says Oda thought about an event that happened earlier in the character's life, or an accessory that has meaning to them or shows off their personality, that something that basically only they out of hundreds of characters possess, at the time of their introduction at the very least. An overall combination of traits that make them unique even among their own kind.

In Nami's case, she's the only orange haired character in the entire series pretty much. She has a tatoo with history on it, wears a weird compass on her wrist, always wears another bracelet there as well (from her sister), and at this point in the series has a giant floof of big hair, wields a bo staff, and now has a talking magic cloud. But most importantly, she was the first prominent female character in the series and was introduced in a standout distinctive way, in what, chapter 8? After being in the very first chapter color spread? And that by itself was enough at that point in time when story arcs were 5 chapters long and we'd met like a dozen named characters total. Her initial design probably wouldn't cut it as a crewmate if she showed up now for the first time, but her chapter 100 with the tatoo, compass, and bracelet would be something. Oda grew a lot as an artist in that first couple years. (And even Luffy the main character he's given a big X scar to in order to make him stand out more.)

Take Arlong for instance. He's got the crazy sawtooth nose. And that would be enough for a lot of creators. It's a standout unique feature that no one else in the series has had. But he also had the leather cap, the pronounced but thin lips, the bold patterened hawaiian shirt, a gold chain bracelet, two fluffy things at his ankles, two different tatoos, the spiky hair, the fin on his back, jagged teeth, the jagged blade. Everyone in his crew had the arlong tatoo, and we got context for the sun symbol later also shared by all of them (but not Nami!) He's even wearing rings on one hand, even though he webbed hands. But still, Compared to every other fishman in that arc he was completely distinct. Lots of details and thought and reiteration put into his design.

His main guys, Kuroobi, Chew, and Hachi also had some details to them and really stood out. Distinct mouth shapes, haircuts. Hachi had the extra arms and stickers, Karoobi the arm fins and twin pigtail and karate outfit, Chew had the blush on his cheeks and a necklace and a different tattoo from the others.. more detail, more thought, but still not as much as Arlon.

Compare all that to the other fismen, like these guys.

They get maybe an interesting detail apiece, a slightly different haircut or a weird jaw, but they're basically just wearing ordinary clothes and have no extra attention to detail, no backstory beyond the shared tatoo. Crab tatoo guy doesn't even look like a fishman. They are just background guys with no real effort put into them.

Or look at this concept oda did.

Those are guys were Oda just drew a humanized version of a kind of fish, got it in one go, and moved out without much change or modification or any further thought. Some of those made it to the story, some didn't, and you can see Chew before he was further refined. (There's also early sketches of Hachi where he was a girl.)

You look to any of the supernovas, warlords, strawhats, they're all brimming with the extra details and thoughts put into making them unique. If you comb through the scope of the series you can find a trait shared here or there, but if you put them in a room of other characters of equal standing, you can still tell they're important.

Monquito

When I had like 2 years following this series, I been watching it since 2008, but the manga since 2011 I think.

I wanted 2 things to join the crew, a former shichibukai and a former marine.

I never liked it the idea of Hancock joining a tiny but she checked the shichibukai box so I kinda made myself of the idea that it wasnt too far-fetched.
Then Jinbro came along, and yeah, my dream of a Former Shichibukai joining came true.

But as far as of right now, the crew lacks a former marine and it shows.

Cockycent

Consistently shows bias and thinks the crew needs a Marine. When did Luffy say this?

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Been noticing how the series is giving each SH more uniqueness than they all already have.
we have the son of the most wanted man on earth, a prince, the son of a notorious member in Shanks crew, the survivor of ohara and only person on earth capable of reading poneghlyps, a 'mink-like' capable of doing 7 sulongs, a cyborg who had the chance to play with Vegapunks toys, bassically the strongest pacifista atm, and an ex-member of the ouka shichibukai to join. all of them which are big news for Morganz to introduce the crew in newspaper once we get over Kaido.

Nami, Zoro and Brook currently have not much going for them, but it seems we're going to know some very cool stuff about Zoro with hints like 'I had to retreat because of the aura of that man'. Brook also seems like he's constantly hiding stuff.

however, all Carrot, Bonney, Kuma and Pudding seem all burdened by already sets of the SH's, either by connections with the revolutionaries, fur, yonko, voat, etc.

so in my perspective, what would reallly make sense, would be someone from the marines, since its the only thing lacking in the crew, everything else is in the crew, the grand fleet, or simply out of my mind.

Oh I see now. As a Zorotard, this hurt. Santoryu is already interesting enough. You don't have to be connected to someone all the time. Brook literally existed in at least 3 different pirate eras smh. It's your opinion tho

Claudio

I have said that they aren't exactly the same. I even pointed out how WB and Roger's aura differ as well. It's aura that Oda didn't include until ch 937.

Before ch 937, we never saw a fluid aura at all on Zoro's fully covered blades. We've established this. Ch. 787 doesn't consistently keep the aura because it's an effect to ignite and it dissipates. Why was the aura not consistently kept on the blades in the manga til 937? Before ch 937, we get aura, it's design is different, but it is on Zoro's totally covered blades in episode 719. You keep ignoring the actual manga and confusing yourself.

This is what happens when you jump into things that you really don't care about.

You say the panel in chapter 787 doesn't count because it's "not fully covered" yet you completely disregard that in chapter 937 only the blades are covered in "armament" while in episode 719 the entire swords are covered in "armament".

MiyamotoMusashi

@Gia:

And the cases against them have been actual garbage lmao. Ive been monitoring this thread ever since Carrot even became a factor, so I know.

Are there clear arguments against Carrot? Sure.

Are they good arguments? Yes.

Are there a bunch of bogus posts that try belittle Carrots clear merits over any other fucking mink in the story? Absolutely.

So there is a difference. There are clear cases for both sides. Every single argument Ive seen that has tried to tell me or any user here that Pedro did not pass on his literal will to Carrot has shown me that people make up the dumbest excuses to refute someones argument here, all for the sake of some weird ass entitlement people have with One Piece characters.

And thats just 1 example out of your "thousand".

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My point wasnt that Carrot was some sure fire pick to be a part of the crew. My whole point is that people make a lot of non-arguments about the character like "she's not important this arc! She's had very little panel time!" when actual strawhats like Jinbe have been MIA for even longer.

My whole argument was just to tell people to wait and see how Wano's war paints her. Does she get her revenge on Perospero? Does she get scenes where she "wants" to adhere to Pedro's dream and follow Luffy? Will she just be a means for the Nox pirates to search for the remaining Poneglyphs for the strawhats?

People like to act like they know something about the above when we just dont at this point in time.

Yes

Not many.

If you are talking about the few panels that shoehorned a supposed special relationship between Carrot and Pedro for cheap dramatic purposes?
Yep they exist.
If you think it is even remotely.on the level of a Strawhat, you are sadly mistaken.

Cockycent

You say the panel in chapter 787 doesn't count because it's "not fully covered" yet you completely disregard that in chapter 937 only the blades are covered in "armament" while in episode 719 the entire swords are covered in "armament".

Do you understand what covering or at least what coating means? It means that the swords are in transition of wearing the CoA. If Zoro kept the aura up well on after covering the swords in chapter 778 or 787, there would be no skepticism for me. There wouldn't be a discussion. That's not what happened tho. The aura went away in both of those chapters when fully covered.

When you watch the anime, Toei makes the decision to keep the aura up in ep 719. I have questioned that. When ch. 937 comes, I question why Zoro keeps the aura on well on after coating it. He isn't in transition because he is clearly attacking Kamazou in that final panel. The aura is still up. I question the decision made in the anime even more after that chapter.

You chose to argue whether any of these things happened at all. Then I find out you are saying something didn't happen, when you didn't even watch the episodes. Whenever I see "what are you talking about" from you, you are hinting to me that you are about to argue something that you don't even know about lol

Monquito

I'll stick with Drake as of now, he's unique af, original among the SH's, former marine origins, reptile-themed, brown-haired, sable and four sharp sides axe, has the number ten on his name(would be the tenth joining) and we already know we're heading towards a sad story with Barrels.

As for the counterpart, he's not currently outstanding more than the other Worst Gens, so I'll just wait to see what treatment he recieves in the arc.

Cockycent

I'll stick with Drake as of now, he's unique af, original among the SH's, former marine origins, reptile-themed, brown-haired, sable and four sharp sides axe, has the number ten on his name(would be the tenth joining) and we already know we're heading towards a sad story with Barrels.

As for the counterpart, he's not currently outstanding more than the other Worst Gens, so I'll just wait to see what treatment he recieves in the arc.

If there is a marine, Drake makes no sense. He is connected to SWORD and has his own crew. He infiltrated a Yonkou crew. That is how far he'd go for "justice". He has less nakama evidence than most mentioned. Maybe a different marine, later on gets focus. For now, I don't see Drake's focus outside of how Oda devoted great detail to his concept. He shares a very similar narrative to Capone.

Claudio

Do you understand what covering or at least what coating means? It means that the swords are in transition of wearing the CoA. If Zoro kept the aura up well on after covering the swords in chapter 778 or 787, there would be no skepticism for me. There wouldn't be a discussion. That's not what happened tho. The aura went away in both of those chapters when fully covered.

When you watch the anime, Toei makes the decision to keep the aura up in ep 719. I have questioned that. When ch. 937 comes, I question why Zoro keeps the aura on well on after coating it. He isn't in transition because he is clearly attacking Kamazou in that final panel. The aura is still up. I question the decision made in the anime even more after that chapter.

You chose to argue whether any of these things happened at all. Then I find out you are saying something didn't happen, when you didn't even watch the episodes. Whenever I see "what are you talking about" from you, you are hinting to me that you are about to argue something that you don't even know about lol
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Their was no "aura" in chapter 778.

Monquito

If there is a marine, Drake makes no sense. He is connected to SWORD and has his own crew.

You know allegiances don stop anyone from joining. Lets not pretend Carrot is not a Musketeer serving to Inuarashi.
And we know very few stuff from SWORD, but that makes him a Marine that outstands among Marines, since it seems to be a reduced organization from which he happens to be Captain of(unique traits just keep growing around him)

He infiltrated a Yonkou crew. That is how far he'd go for "justice". He has less nakama evidence than most mentioned. Maybe a different marine, later on gets focus. For now, I don't see Drake's focus outside of how Oda devoted great detail to his concept. He shares a very similar narrative to Capone.

Uniqueness is greater evidence than amount of chapters, and he's ton of unique(among the SH's) he just lacks the focus currently.

Cockycent

Their was no "aura" in chapter 778.

It was shown in ch 787 that when covering the sword with CoA, the aura temporarily shows. Yes, Oda did not draw it in 778, but it also not being shown at all proves my point. Why is the anime showing any aura at all?

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You know allegiances don stop anyone from joining. Lets not pretend Carrot is not a Musketeer serving to Inuarashi.
And we know very few stuff from SWORD, but that makes him a Marine that outstands among Marines, since it seems to be a reduced organization from which he happens to be Captain of(unique traits just keep growing around him)

Uniqueness is greater evidence than amount of chapters, and he's ton of unique(among the SH's) he just lacks the focus currently.

Coming from the guy who talks about how many chapters Carrot has been missing. How many chapters has Drake been in? His design is so cool and Oda has gone by your bias since the series started, right?

Monquito

Coming from the guy who talks about how many chapters Carrot has been missing. How many chapters has Drake been in? His design is so cool and Oda has gone by your bias since the series started, right?

I only bring up the 60 chapters of Carrot to debunk the whatever amount of chapters was Carrot in WCI. And to prove that, yes amount of chapters does not help the case of anyone, Jinbro is already a Strawhat and he's always gone.

As for Drake, interestingly enough;
He was at Archipielago Shabahody
Shown up after MarineFord
Appeared in Caribou's cover story
Was present in Law's flashback.
And was name-dropped in Act I of Wano
As well as we've seen his beyond amazing hybrid form
And he's a quirky character, given his reaction to naked woman

He's getting pretty good portrayal so far. But again not outstandingly compared to the other Worst Gens, I need more.

Claudio

It was shown in ch 787 that when covering the sword with CoA, the aura temporarily shows. Yes, Oda did not draw it in 778, but it also not being shown at all proves my point. Why is the anime showing any aura at all?

I think the whole point of the "aura" in the anime is just for "appearances" even if Oda told them the narrative purpose of it and at first Oda had the whole swords covered in "armament" but then it was just the blades. Is their a reason for this or is it just for "appearances"?

Cockycent

I only bring up the 60 chapters of Carrot to debunk the whatever amount of chapters was Carrot in WCI. And to prove that, yes amount of chapters does not help the case of anyone, Jinbro is already a Strawhat and he's always gone.

As for Drake, interestingly enough;
He was at Archipielago Shabahody
Shown up after MarineFord
Appeared in Caribou's cover story
Was present in Law's flashback.
And was name-dropped in Act I of Wano
As well as we've seen his beyond amazing hybrid form
And he's a quirky character, given his reaction to naked woman

He's getting pretty good portrayal so far. But again not outstandingly compared to the other Worst Gens, I need more.

His only portrayal is as an onlooker at best in relation to the crew until now. I doubt you'd be in denial about what actually happened in the manga like someone else in here. Most of this can be said about Capone, is he SH material as well?

at Sabaody
covered after MF
is currently in a cover story
damn he's never been in a flashback… oh yeah he was in a flashback during Zou, with guess who? The SH crew lol
was name dropped, appearing with and actually interacting with the SH crew throughout WCI arc
we've seen his Big Father mode, which is better than the hybrid on the multiple Dragon Dragon Fruit users because Page 1 looks so similar. Not gonna harp on that
Bege is a vibrant character.. Mostly serious, at times wholesome with his kid and wife and devious when he feel like he's killed a leader

Wait a minute. Bege has topped Drake for nakama without me sensationalizing the source material? Celebration gif

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I think the whole point of the "aura" in the anime is just for "appearances" even if Oda told them the narrative purpose of it and at first Oda had the whole swords covered in "armament" but then it was just the blades. Is their a reason for this or is it just for "appearances"?

Monquioyo and i went over this and that is believable. He used a Gear 2nd example and even tho the steam is in the chapter, it's understandable that it might be nothing. Doesn't mean "it didn't happen" or I shouldn't be skeptical tho

Monquito

His only portrayal is as an onlooker at best in relation to the crew until now. I doubt you'd be in denial about what actually happened in the manga like someone else in here. Most of this can be said about Capone, is he SH material as well?

at Sabaody
covered after MF
is currently in a cover story
damn he's never been in a flashback… oh yeah he was in a flashback during Zou, with guess who? The SH crew lol
was name dropped, appearing with and actually interacting with the SH crew throughout WCI arc
we've seen his Big Father mode, which is better than the hybrid on the multiple Dragon Dragon Fruit users because Page 1 looks so similar. Not gonna harp on that
Bege is a vibrant character.. Most serious, at times wholesome with his kid and wife and devious when he feel like he's killed a leader

Wait a minute. Bege has topped Drake for nakama without me sensationalizing the source material? Celebration gif

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/a39B8Db.gif[/qimg]

I'm literally saying Drake doesnt currently outstands any more than the others Worst Gens, which implies I aknowledge all of that already.

However, the cases of Capone and Apoo are probably more related to what Law told us at PH, 'In the NW, you either opose or join a Yonkou, there are no inbetweens'.
So while Capone and Apoo just fell to serve out of lacking the strenght to remain opposing them, Capone ultimately betrayed BM and we're expecting the same from Apoo.

That's where Drake differentiates from, he entered the NW with the sole purpose of infiltrating a Yonkou, and yeah, he's a marine, which also differentiates him from the other and the main reason for why I Want him to join

Cockycent

I'm literally saying Drake doesnt currently outstands any more than the others Worst Gens, which implies I aknowledge all of that already.

However, the cases of Capone and Apoo are probably more related to what Law told us at PH, 'In the NW, you either opose or join a Yonkou, there are no inbetweens'.
So while Capone and Apoo just fell to serve out of lacking the strenght to remain opposing them, Capone ultimately betrayed BM and we're expecting the same from Apoo.

That's where Drake differentiates from, he entered the NW with the sole purpose of infiltrating a Yonkou, and yeah, he's a marine, which also differentiates him from the other and the main reason for why I Want him to join

Drake's fruit is almost exactly like Page 1. Does this conflict with differentiation? Or is it not that big of a deal?

You do have a point there. He differs from Capone and Apoo. Now is this a SWORD thing? Do other members infiltrate Yonkou crews? We don't know, so you make a good point here. For your case on Drake, I hope there aren't others.

So far, you only have that he infiltrated differently from other Supernova and his concept. I don't go by concept, so I won't argue this. Good job Monquiyo. I just hope there's more focus on Drake going forward. I will be watching him going forward for how Oda moves him through the narrative

Zhenja

former marine origins

He's still a marine.

Monquito

Drake's fruit is almost exactly like Page 1. Does this conflict with differentiation? Or is it not that big of a deal?

As long as Page One is not a SH, there is not an overlapping there, therefore Drake is good to go.

You do have a point there. He differs from Capone and Apoo. Now is this a SWORD thing? Do other members infiltrate Yonkou crews? We don't know, so you make a good point here. For your case on Drake, I hope there aren't others.

This is unkown to us, and I'm very interested in why they choose Kaido to infiltrate specifically, so we need to wait for info.
Unless you're implying Aokoji is into the same organization and doing the exact same thing as Drake, making Drake not as unique as I believe, which I'll take cause its fairly possible

So far, you only have that he infiltrated differently from other Supernova and his concept. I don't go by concept, so I won't argue this. Good job Monquiyo. I just hope there's more focus on Drake going forward. I will be watching him going forward for how Oda moves him through the narrative

I'm thinking we're just about to swim deeper into the character, but yes plenty of interactions with Luffy and the SH's should happen for him to start getting nakama-build up.

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He's still a marine.

For now:ninja:

sixteen chars

Cockycent

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Solid

I see Carrot as being the ”Law” of the minks. Oda going like ”wow this character turned out to be cool, ill bet she will be popular, lets give her a bigger role in the next arc”.

Mike B. Duncan

Momonosuke will be the 11th and last mugiwara for one simple reason, IMHO.

Luffy is able to hear the voice of all things just like Roger but only Momo is capable to interact and speak with them, as already shown at Zou with Zunisha.

Roger needed Oden just like Luffy will need Momo to complete his journey and reach Laugh Tale.

Zhenja

@Mike:

Momonosuke will be the 11th and last mugiwara for one simple reason, IMHO.

Luffy is able to hear the voice of all things just like Roger but only Momo is capable to interact and speak with them, as already shown at Zou with Zunisha.

Roger needed Oden just like Luffy will need Momo to complete his journey and reach Laugh Tale.

Bullshit.
Luffy doesn't need him to reach Laugh Tale, he got Robin for that.
It's enough if Momo is an ally, he doesn't need to join.

Mike B. Duncan

Bullshit.
Luffy doesn't need him to reach Laugh Tale, he got Robin for that.
It's enough if Momo is an ally, he doesn't need to join.

Robin is the power to understand, Momo the tool to execute… Always IMHO.

One day, Luffy will be the guide to win the final war and to move Fishman Island towards the surface thanks to the Sea Kings aid... Who will be able to talk with them?

During the Oden flashback, Oda showed us Roger able to hear Sea Kings speechs but not to talk with them... I read that as a clue.

Zhenja

@Mike:

Robin is the power to understand, Momo the tool to execute… Always IMHO.

Roger reached Laugh Tale without 'executing' anything, he only needed Oden for the Poneglyphs.
Momo/Wano is going to be an ally in the final war, and his power might even be needed for something, but that's no reason for him to become a SH.

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@Mike:

One day, Luffy will be the guide to win the final war and to move Fishman Island towards the surface thanks to the Sea Kings aid… Who will be able to talk with them?

Shirahoshi aka Poseidon

Mike B. Duncan

[https://manga4life.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-967-page-16.html

Roger reached Laugh Tale without 'executing' anything, he only needed Oden for the Poneglyphs.

Did you see the full flashback? Did Oda tell us how Roger Pirates reached Laugh Tale?

Zhenja

@Mike:

Did you see the full flashback? Did Oda tell us how Roger Pirates reached Laugh Tale?

They found the four Road Poneglyphs, figured out the destination of Laugh Tale and went there.

A](https://manga4life.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-967-page-16.html)s you can see in the middle panel where Gaban has a pen in his hand and a map right in front of him.

Mike B. Duncan

They found the four Road Poneglyphs, figured out the destination of Laugh Tale and went there.

[https://manga4life.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-967-page-16.html

A](https://manga4life.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-967-page-16.html)s you can see in the middle panel where Gaban has a pen in his hand and a map right in front of him.

I mean how PHYSICALLY reached Laugh Tale

Zhenja

@Mike:

I mean how PHYSICALLY reached Laugh Tale

If you are implying that the Voice of All Things is needed to reach Laugh Tale, then the scene where Roger asked Whitebeard if he wants to know how to reach Laugh Tale, is bullshit.

Mike B. Duncan